Poll
Question:
Do you believe in God?
Option 1: Yes.
votes: 63
Option 2: No.
votes: 66
Option 3: I'm not sure
votes: 34
I'm just going to edit this and say "No".
I believe there is a small possibility that he may exist, but I also believe in an equal possibility that we are living in a computer simulation--both are really small possibilities to me though.
I'm a Christian. magician;
I'm not sure~ gonk;
I do. Frankly, I don't see how there couldn't be a God. So many things have happened in my life that were good for me that they couldn't have just all been fate or coincidence.
No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
I do believe in God. I believe that someone made the trees and the Earth and other planets. I just can't fathom them appearing all by themselves.
Quote from: LCK on April 16, 2007, 04:34:16 PM
No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
The Gospel writers never even met Jesus. china;
Quote from: Tri4se on April 16, 2007, 08:52:10 PM
Quote from: LCK on April 16, 2007, 04:34:16 PM
No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
The Gospel writers never even met Jesus. china;
Those embellishing bastards. kratos;
Quote from: GCD333 on April 16, 2007, 05:20:45 PM
I do believe in God. I believe that someone made the trees and the Earth and other planets. I just can't fathom them appearing all by themselves.
Yeah. Same here.
I remember hearing someone (I think it was the Southpark guys, of all people) say something to the effect of, "I think atheism is silly. I believe in God. I think the dumbest belief is the one that says "we're all here just 'cause. No reason. Just 'cause."
And I pretty much agree with that.
Quote from: UnagiPower on April 16, 2007, 04:17:56 PM
It'd be awesome to spend the rest of eternity in paradise, but my brain doesn't wanna believe in god.
Same here. All my friends and family have always taught me that if I don't believe, I'll go to hell. But I'm seriously questioning if He really does exist.
Unless I am god, there is no possible way for a god to exist. This world is a result of my own mind.
Yeah I do.
Quote from: Lawlz on April 17, 2007, 01:53:14 PM
Unless I am god, there is no possible way for a god to exist. This world is a result of my own mind.
No, I am pretty sure I am me... Unless you can read my mind and what not.
Quote from: UnagiPower on April 17, 2007, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on April 17, 2007, 01:53:14 PM
Unless I am god, there is no possible way for a god to exist. This world is a result of my own mind.
No, I am pretty sure I am me... Unless you can read my mind and what not.
Prove to me you exist.
You can't. We live in and control our own separate universes.
There is no way of proving God. Christianity is revolved around faith. You have to have faith that God is there, and if you don't, then you don't.
Yeah, I believe in God. There's no actual way to prove God exists, but there's really no way to disprove it either.
I believe in God because something or someone had to have done something to create the world/universe. Things don't just appear out of nothing, unless you believe in spontaneous generation. I'm not sure if there's really God the way most people (who believe in God) picture it, but there has to be some sort of superior being. Though that still would leave the problem of who/what created the superior being, but that's something that's pretty much impossible to fathom, for my mind at least.
Quote from: Pennywise on April 18, 2007, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 04:30:48 PM
There is no way of proving God. Christianity is revolved around faith. You have to have faith that God is there, and if you don't, then you don't.
Actually, there is. Just a simple look at the human body, eco system, our earth and the planets testifies to his handiwork.
How do you know it wasn't a group effort? Or maybe things have always existed this way? Another possibility (which I always have to give) is that nothing physically exists at all.
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Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 04:30:48 PM
There is no way of proving God. Christianity is revolved around faith. You have to have faith that God is there, and if you don't, then you don't.
Actually, there is. Just a simple look at the human body, eco system, our earth and the planets testifies to his handiwork.
How do you know it wasn't a group effort? Or maybe things have always existed this way? Another possibility (which I always have to give) is that nothing physically exists at all.
So basically you're saying you're simply a figment of my imagination?
Or each mind is its own universe.
So we're making each other up?
No wait, you don't exist.
Haha, fucker.
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Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 04:30:48 PM
There is no way of proving God. Christianity is revolved around faith. You have to have faith that God is there, and if you don't, then you don't.
Actually, there is. Just a simple look at the human body, eco system, our earth and the planets testifies to his handiwork.
How do you know it wasn't a group effort? Or maybe things have always existed this way? Another possibility (which I always have to give) is that nothing physically exists at all.
So basically you're saying you're simply a figment of my imagination?
Or each mind is its own universe.
So according to this theory none of you exist at all?
Possibly. Or this "physical world" we "live" in is really just a thin wire that connects all of our universes, and exists for the sole purpose of sharing ideas.
I try hard as hell to believe in god, because I want to go to heaven, that would be the shiz jsr;
but what it comes down t usually is the mood I am in at the time, wether I believe in him or not, that is.
Quote from: Pennywise on April 18, 2007, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 04:30:48 PM
There is no way of proving God. Christianity is revolved around faith. You have to have faith that God is there, and if you don't, then you don't.
Actually, there is. Just a simple look at the human body, eco system, our earth and the planets testifies to his handiwork.
I believe, when speaking of the human body and eco system, you're forgetting the theory of evolution. When everything first came to be (regardless of how), everything was probably extremely simple, and over millions of years evolved into the complicated state it's in today.
Quote from: Pennywise on April 19, 2007, 09:36:33 PM
Quote from: Charizard-level100 on April 19, 2007, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: Pennywise on April 18, 2007, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 04:30:48 PM
There is no way of proving God. Christianity is revolved around faith. You have to have faith that God is there, and if you don't, then you don't.
Actually, there is. Just a simple look at the human body, eco system, our earth and the planets testifies to his handiwork.
I believe, when speaking of the human body and eco system, you're forgetting the theory of evolution. When everything first came to be (regardless of how), everything was probably extremely simple, and over millions of years evolved into the complicated state it's in today.
The theory of evolution is flawed to say the least. Darwin gave more reasons to discredit his theory in his writings than he did to support it.
Influenza, the common cold, and AIDS evolve on a daily basis. Sure, they're just viruses, but it's proof that evolution most certainly is real.
Quote from: Pennywise on April 19, 2007, 09:41:19 PM
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Quote from: Pennywise on April 18, 2007, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 04:30:48 PM
There is no way of proving God. Christianity is revolved around faith. You have to have faith that God is there, and if you don't, then you don't.
Actually, there is. Just a simple look at the human body, eco system, our earth and the planets testifies to his handiwork.
I believe, when speaking of the human body and eco system, you're forgetting the theory of evolution. When everything first came to be (regardless of how), everything was probably extremely simple, and over millions of years evolved into the complicated state it's in today.
The theory of evolution is flawed to say the least. Darwin gave more reasons to discredit his theory in his writings than he did to support it.
Influenza, the common cold, and AIDS evolve on a daily basis. Sure, they're just viruses, but it's proof that evolution most certainly is real.
They adapt by mutation. Often losing parts of themselves that were susceptible. Which is why someone who uses large amounts of antibiotics will often find the viruses become hardened against such attacks.
And is evolution not a mutation in a species to improve their chances of survival?
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Quote from: Pennywise on April 18, 2007, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 04:30:48 PM
There is no way of proving God. Christianity is revolved around faith. You have to have faith that God is there, and if you don't, then you don't.
Actually, there is. Just a simple look at the human body, eco system, our earth and the planets testifies to his handiwork.
I believe, when speaking of the human body and eco system, you're forgetting the theory of evolution. When everything first came to be (regardless of how), everything was probably extremely simple, and over millions of years evolved into the complicated state it's in today.
The theory of evolution is flawed to say the least. Darwin gave more reasons to discredit his theory in his writings than he did to support it.
Influenza, the common cold, and AIDS evolve on a daily basis. Sure, they're just viruses, but it's proof that evolution most certainly is real.
They adapt by mutation. Often losing parts of themselves that were susceptible. Which is why someone who uses large amounts of antibiotics will often find the viruses become hardened against such attacks.
In short, evolution.
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Quote from: Pennywise on April 19, 2007, 09:36:33 PM
Quote from: Charizard-level100 on April 19, 2007, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: Pennywise on April 18, 2007, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 04:30:48 PM
There is no way of proving God. Christianity is revolved around faith. You have to have faith that God is there, and if you don't, then you don't.
Actually, there is. Just a simple look at the human body, eco system, our earth and the planets testifies to his handiwork.
I believe, when speaking of the human body and eco system, you're forgetting the theory of evolution. When everything first came to be (regardless of how), everything was probably extremely simple, and over millions of years evolved into the complicated state it's in today.
The theory of evolution is flawed to say the least. Darwin gave more reasons to discredit his theory in his writings than he did to support it.
Influenza, the common cold, and AIDS evolve on a daily basis. Sure, they're just viruses, but it's proof that evolution most certainly is real.
They adapt by mutation. Often losing parts of themselves that were susceptible. Which is why someone who uses large amounts of antibiotics will often find the viruses become hardened against such attacks.
In short, evolution.
No. Evolution adds to the species as a whole. Mutation has never brought about changes to a species. It's always losing, never gaining.
Then vaccines for influenza must be nonexistant.
Apparently, they do exist, and apparently there is a new strain every year.
Evolution=Mutation on a larger scale.
I'm a satanist.
That doesn't mean i worship satan...I don't believe in god...or satan.
I don't believe in ghost stories, or the boogieman so why the hell should i believe in god...there's no proof.
and the only reason it's been around so long is becuase humans are weak and need to rely on some higher being other than themselves to dictat their life.
That's all christians are...fucking weak pititful humans. argh;
I beleive in A god. I don't beleive the Christian God exists because he is portrayed in the bible as selfish and contricicting. God killed millions of people in the bible. Satan killed 3. psyduck;
I need more proof
Quote from: cackslop on April 20, 2007, 05:19:11 PM
I'm a satanist.
That doesn't mean i worship satan...I don't believe in god...or satan.
I don't believe in ghost stories, or the boogieman so why the hell should i believe in god...there's no proof.
and the only reason it's been around so long is becuase humans are weak and need to rely on some higher being other than themselves to dictat their life.
That's all christians are...fucking weak pititful humans. argh;
No need to generalize. Not all Christians are as you say they are. china;
Quote from: LCK on April 16, 2007, 04:34:16 PM
No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
Thanks, I've been looking for a new macro. y;
I think all religion is stupid. Besides, what kind of amazing god would want people to go to war killing eachother just over their beliefs? Blasphemy.
Quote from: Necro Gaara on April 22, 2007, 08:31:50 PM
Quote from: LCK on April 16, 2007, 04:34:16 PM
No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
Thanks, I've been looking for a new macro. y;
I think all religion is stupid. Besides, what kind of amazing god would want people to go to war killing eachother just over their beliefs? Blasphemy.
I think you're misinterpreting Christian beliefs a little there.
True followers of Christ wouldn't kill a person over anything, especially their beliefs. Any "Christian" who would kill someone, or even dislike them, for the sole purpose of religious beliefs would be part-taking in what is called "false worship." If they were true Christians they would learn from and try to teach the teachings of Jesus, not start wars and/or kill people over them.
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Quote from: LCK on April 16, 2007, 04:34:16 PM
No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
Thanks, I've been looking for a new macro. y;
I think all religion is stupid. Besides, what kind of amazing god would want people to go to war killing eachother just over their beliefs? Blasphemy.
I think you're misinterpreting Christian beliefs a little there. True followers of Christ wouldn't kill a person over anything, especially their beliefs. Any "Christian" who would kill someone, or even dislike them, for the sole purpose of religious beliefs would be part-taking in what is called "false worship." If they were true Christians they would learn from and try to teach the teachings of Jesus, not start wars and/or kill people over them.
Yes, but you're not gonna find a "true christian" in any political party, which attempts to control everything. pseudo;
As contrary to... well, the opinions of everyone I know, I'm actually a Christian.
Yes, I know we should be holy, centered people... I just wasn't born that way. There's a short in that cord.
And to the people who say they don't believe in God, that's okay. I don't blame you, honestly. Our religion is based on faith, simply the reliance that something is there though it may not be.
But I'm not going to try and force you to believe in God. If it were that easy to make people conform, we wouldn't be where we are today.
I'm cool with everyone's beliefs, but anyone's capable of pissing me off sooner or later. :P Doesn't necessarily have to be related to religion, either.
I do believe there is a higher being, but I am not sure. I mean, there is a lot of scientific evidence that supports theories that there is no God, and that the world just came about. I am kind of indifferent on the whole subject.
My number one question is, they say God can see what will happen it the world before it actually happens, so that means he foresaw all the wrong that is going on right now. Why the hell does he still allow it to happen? Things like that keep me skeptical on the whole situation... y;
Abraham was told by an angel as a messenger of god to kill his son, loving god, he did so and god replaced the body of his son with that of a sheep testing Abraham's faith. Mohammad's journey would've never been completed without the help of such an entity as god. There are much more stories that prove the existence of god (most in the Qur'an). Although you might find some of these unbelievable and maybe even "fake", but by understanding the words written in these holy books will give one a better understanding of this entity known as god. Those that do not believe in god base their belief in science and logic, but understanding what kind of proof there is and what these holy books like the Qur'an and the Bible are saying is another thing. It doesn't take a genius to not believe in god, it takes someone with a mind to believe in god by actually reading. Sure, your parents tell you about god, but what does that tell you? Nothing. You have to find out yourself and how else? By reading. Read the Qur'an before jumping to these conclusions, read the bible before coming to conclusions because I'm sure most of you "non-believers" haven't.
LOL SCIENTIFIC MUMBO-JUMBO. BIG BANG, LOL! EVOLUTION, LOL! You're going to believe in this shit?
I've actually read the whole bible. pseudo;
Quote from: JMV290 on April 23, 2007, 01:34:05 PM
I've actually read the whole bible. pseudo;
Read the translated version of the Qur'an, now.
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Quote from: JMV290 on April 23, 2007, 01:34:05 PM
I've actually read the whole bible. pseudo;
Read the translated version of the Qur'an, now.
I've actually made a thread about it before and it got locked. psyduck;
I think the Qur'an would be more believable than the Bible
Quote from: JMV290 on April 23, 2007, 01:34:05 PM
I've actually read the whole bible. pseudo;
I find it sad that more atheists have read the whole bible than Christians.
At least, that's the way it seems.
Quote from: Eminem on April 23, 2007, 01:24:30 PM
Abraham was told by an angel as a messenger of god to kill his son, loving god, he did so and god replaced the body of his son with that of a sheep testing Abraham's faith. Mohammad's journey would've never been completed without the help of such an entity as god. There are much more stories that prove the existence of god (most in the Qur'an). Although you might find some of these unbelievable and maybe even "fake", but by understanding the words written in these holy books will give one a better understanding of this entity known as god. Those that do not believe in god base their belief in science and logic, but understanding what kind of proof there is and what these holy books like the Qur'an and the Bible are saying is another thing. It doesn't take a genius to not believe in god, it takes someone with a mind to believe in god by actually reading. Sure, your parents tell you about god, but what does that tell you? Nothing. You have to find out yourself and how else? By reading. Read the Qur'an before jumping to these conclusions, read the bible before coming to conclusions because I'm sure most of you "non-believers" haven't.
LOL SCIENTIFIC MUMBO-JUMBO. BIG BANG, LOL! EVOLUTION, LOL! You're going to believe in this shit?
Sure, fairy tales are always more logical than a foolish idea of adaptation.
I don't believe the Big Bang theory at all, but pretty much everything else science supports I agree with. Anything makes more sense than a single entity creating an entire universe then blessing one or a few select men, and entirely ignoring us the past two milleniums.
And who would you trust? A man like Stephen Hawking that spends his life studying the universe with loads of evidence to back it up, or a book of fables written around or before 1,000 years ago?
Quote from: Lawlz on April 23, 2007, 02:43:10 PM
And who would you trust? A man like Stephen Hawking that spends his life studying the universe with loads of evidence to back it up, or a book of fables written around or before 1,000 years ago?
I would trust that book. You'll find out one day that all this Scientific shit that overlaps on Religion is all shit rolled up in some crap and a side of poop-juice.
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Quote from: Lawlz on April 23, 2007, 02:43:10 PM
And who would you trust? A man like Stephen Hawking that spends his life studying the universe with loads of evidence to back it up, or a book of fables written around or before 1,000 years ago?
I would trust that book. You'll find out one day that all this Scientific shit that overlaps on Religion is all shit rolled up in some crap and a side of poop-juice.
Wow, you're a true-fucking-genius.
OH NO, IF IT CONTRADICTS STUFF I LEARNED AS A WEE TODDLER, IT'S WRONG. OLD BOOKS CAN NEVER BE WRONG. EVIDENCE AND MODERN RESEARCH AND DISCOVERIES ARE LIES.
By the way, are you a member of the Flat Earth Society?
Quote from: Lawlz on April 23, 2007, 04:06:51 PM
OLD BOOKS CAN NEVER BE WRONG. EVIDENCE AND MODERN RESEARCH AND DISCOVERIES ARE LIES.
This is by-far the most intelligent think you've said during this session. thumbup; Anyway, I'm not going to sustain this argument between "old books" and this "modern" shit. I believe in god and that's that.
Quote from: Eminem on April 23, 2007, 04:10:48 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on April 23, 2007, 04:06:51 PM
OLD BOOKS CAN NEVER BE WRONG. EVIDENCE AND MODERN RESEARCH AND DISCOVERIES ARE LIES.
This is by-far the most intelligent think you've said during this session. thumbup; Anyway, I'm not going to sustain this argument between "old books" and this "modern" shit. I believe in god and that's that.
Doesn't mean you have to remain oblivious to common sense.
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No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
Thanks, I've been looking for a new macro. y;
I think all religion is stupid. Besides, what kind of amazing god would want people to go to war killing eachother just over their beliefs? Blasphemy.
I think you're misinterpreting Christian beliefs a little there. True followers of Christ wouldn't kill a person over anything, especially their beliefs. Any "Christian" who would kill someone, or even dislike them, for the sole purpose of religious beliefs would be part-taking in what is called "false worship." If they were true Christians they would learn from and try to teach the teachings of Jesus, not start wars and/or kill people over them.
Yes, but you're not gonna find a "true christian" in any political party, which attempts to control everything. pseudo;
Who said anything about politics? psyduck;
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No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
Thanks, I've been looking for a new macro. y;
I think all religion is stupid. Besides, what kind of amazing god would want people to go to war killing eachother just over their beliefs? Blasphemy.
I think you're misinterpreting Christian beliefs a little there. True followers of Christ wouldn't kill a person over anything, especially their beliefs. Any "Christian" who would kill someone, or even dislike them, for the sole purpose of religious beliefs would be part-taking in what is called "false worship." If they were true Christians they would learn from and try to teach the teachings of Jesus, not start wars and/or kill people over them.
Yes, but you're not gonna find a "true christian" in any political party, which attempts to control everything. pseudo;
Who said anything about politics? psyduck;
Well, some preacher in Kansas isn't really the one pulling ll the strings, I'm talking about wars and such. In which case refers to even more than politics, but still, politics.
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Quote from: Lawlz on April 23, 2007, 04:06:51 PM
OLD BOOKS CAN NEVER BE WRONG. EVIDENCE AND MODERN RESEARCH AND DISCOVERIES ARE LIES.
This is by-far the most intelligent think you've said during this session. thumbup; Anyway, I'm not going to sustain this argument between "old books" and this "modern" shit. I believe in god and that's that.
Doesn't mean you have to remain oblivious to common sense.
Quoted for truth and great justice. :science: catholic;
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OLD BOOKS CAN NEVER BE WRONG. EVIDENCE AND MODERN RESEARCH AND DISCOVERIES ARE LIES.
This is by-far the most intelligent think you've said during this session. thumbup; Anyway, I'm not going to sustain this argument between "old books" and this "modern" shit. I believe in god and that's that.
Doesn't mean you have to remain oblivious to common sense.
Quoted for truth and great justice. :science: catholic;
hax;
Seconded. v;
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No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
Thanks, I've been looking for a new macro. y;
I think all religion is stupid. Besides, what kind of amazing god would want people to go to war killing eachother just over their beliefs? Blasphemy.
I think you're misinterpreting Christian beliefs a little there. True followers of Christ wouldn't kill a person over anything, especially their beliefs. Any "Christian" who would kill someone, or even dislike them, for the sole purpose of religious beliefs would be part-taking in what is called "false worship." If they were true Christians they would learn from and try to teach the teachings of Jesus, not start wars and/or kill people over them.
Yes, but you're not gonna find a "true christian" in any political party, which attempts to control everything. pseudo;
Who said anything about politics? psyduck;
Well, some preacher in Kansas isn't really the one pulling ll the strings, I'm talking about wars and such. In which case refers to even more than politics, but still, politics.
Well I wasn't speaking of Christianity pertaining to politics, since some politicians aren't even Christian.
All I'm saying is that in the true Christian religion, God wouldn't say "Go to war with this country because of their religion."
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No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
Thanks, I've been looking for a new macro. y;
I think all religion is stupid. Besides, what kind of amazing god would want people to go to war killing eachother just over their beliefs? Blasphemy.
I think you're misinterpreting Christian beliefs a little there. True followers of Christ wouldn't kill a person over anything, especially their beliefs. Any "Christian" who would kill someone, or even dislike them, for the sole purpose of religious beliefs would be part-taking in what is called "false worship." If they were true Christians they would learn from and try to teach the teachings of Jesus, not start wars and/or kill people over them.
Yes, but you're not gonna find a "true christian" in any political party, which attempts to control everything. pseudo;
Who said anything about politics? psyduck;
Well, some preacher in Kansas isn't really the one pulling ll the strings, I'm talking about wars and such. In which case refers to even more than politics, but still, politics.
Well I wasn't speaking of Christianity pertaining to politics, since some politicians aren't even Christian.
All I'm saying is that in the true Christian religion, God wouldn't say "Go to war with this country because of their religion."
I know, and I know. y;
I'm just saying, how would killing people over your religion really benefit the killer, if you're fucking over your religion in doing so? y;
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No, I don't. I've never really believed. My parents tried to raise me to believe, but it just never sunk in.
I find all of it to be idiotic. It just seems like an over the top fairy tale.
For all we really know, the bible was just a Fictional book written by some crazy ass guy. The way I see it, it's like someone 2000 years from now finding some sort of Edgar Allen Poe book, and worshiping what's inside it.
Sure, some people have found some things that could be considered proof of Jesus' crucifixion, but I don't believe it.
I need just about definite proof to believe this kind of stuff.
DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING. I WON'T BELIEVE IT.
Thanks, I've been looking for a new macro. y;
I think all religion is stupid. Besides, what kind of amazing god would want people to go to war killing eachother just over their beliefs? Blasphemy.
I think you're misinterpreting Christian beliefs a little there. True followers of Christ wouldn't kill a person over anything, especially their beliefs. Any "Christian" who would kill someone, or even dislike them, for the sole purpose of religious beliefs would be part-taking in what is called "false worship." If they were true Christians they would learn from and try to teach the teachings of Jesus, not start wars and/or kill people over them.
Yes, but you're not gonna find a "true christian" in any political party, which attempts to control everything. pseudo;
Who said anything about politics? psyduck;
Well, some preacher in Kansas isn't really the one pulling ll the strings, I'm talking about wars and such. In which case refers to even more than politics, but still, politics.
Well I wasn't speaking of Christianity pertaining to politics, since some politicians aren't even Christian.
All I'm saying is that in the true Christian religion, God wouldn't say "Go to war with this country because of their religion."
I know, and I know. y;
I'm just saying, how would killing people over your religion really benefit the killer, if you're fucking over your religion in doing so? y;
Don't ask me, ask the people who kill people over their religion. caterpie;
I believe in God and I am a Christian(Lutheran, to be exact).
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I'm a satanist.
That doesn't mean i worship satan...I don't believe in god...or satan.
I don't believe in ghost stories, or the boogieman so why the hell should i believe in god...there's no proof.
and the only reason it's been around so long is becuase humans are weak and need to rely on some higher being other than themselves to dictat their life.
That's all christians are...Lawlzing weak pititful humans. argh;
No need to generalize. Not all Christians are as you say they are. china;
Very true.
I'm just a bit bitter from watching the christian channel the past few days.
My apologies for anyone i have offended. sweat;
I really don't know yet still wondering.
At first I was uncertain, but then I saw a lot of evidence that he does exist. catholic;
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At first I was uncertain, but then I saw a lot of evidence that he does exist. catholic;
Supply this so called "evidence."
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At first I was uncertain, but then I saw a lot of evidence that he does exist. catholic;
Supply this so called "evidence."
ON DUH RADYOH THEI FOND JESUZ TOMB
OR SUM DUM SHIT LYKE THAT
You do realize this is
Serious Discussion, right?
I don't believe in a God in common terms...I believe that god is the Universe itself and everything celestial and I do belive in some kind of magic in that sense...I don't really want to bound myselch to such rules that religion puts forth...I live by my own set of rules and morals...but that's a little off topic so yeah...
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At first I was uncertain, but then I saw a lot of evidence that he does exist. catholic;
Supply this so called "evidence."
1) Some dude used Jerusalem wood to build a staircase in a church that should technically collaspe.
2) Some girl had emminent death, but after her family prayed to some guy in trial for sainthood, she was miraculously perfect the next day.
3) Exorcisms have been recorded, so the counterpart must exist as well.
4) Roses growing out of stomachs and appearence of nail-like holes on wrists have come to beings high in the church.
5) Some religous house supposedly flew in one day towardsa certain holy location, but I'm not sure on this story.
6) And there's more I can't remember at the moment, too. psyduck;
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At first I was uncertain, but then I saw a lot of evidence that he does exist. catholic;
Supply this so called "evidence."
1) Some dude used Jerusalem wood to build a staircase in a church that should technically collaspe.
2) Some girl had emminent death, but after her family prayed to some guy in trial for sainthood, she was miraculously perfect the next day.
3) Exorcisms have been recorded, so the counterpart must exist as well.
4) Roses growing out of stomachs and appearence of nail-like holes on wrists have come to beings high in the church.
5) Some religous house supposedly flew in one day towardsa certain holy location, but I'm not sure on this story.
6) And there's more I can't remember at the moment, too. psyduck;
So it's all about nameless people? If my house flew across the world, I'm sure everyone would know about it.
The Empire State Buildining really shouldn't last. It's around 1,000 feet, and has lasted many decades. Is this church taller than the Empire State Building? Unless the entire building was suspended on the corner of a moutain with no support and built from wood blessed with the piss of Jesus, I'm not amazed.
hai2u immune system
Giant sea monsters and dragons have been recorded since the dawn of time. There's loads more evidence of the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot than "god."
You're saying decomposition isn't a normal process and self inflicted damage is nonexistant? HAY GUYS, I
DREW FOUND AN ATOM SYMBOL ON MY FOREHEAD. THAT'S PROOF OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER.
I've seen cows get caught in tornadoes and fly for miles on TV. Hell, there have been downpours of frogs and fish in Australia.
My mind has no boundaries.
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At first I was uncertain, but then I saw a lot of evidence that he does exist. catholic;
Supply this so called "evidence."
1) Some dude used Jerusalem wood to build a staircase in a church that should technically collaspe.
2) Some girl had emminent death, but after her family prayed to some guy in trial for sainthood, she was miraculously perfect the next day.
3) Exorcisms have been recorded, so the counterpart must exist as well.
4) Roses growing out of stomachs and appearence of nail-like holes on wrists have come to beings high in the church.
5) Some religous house supposedly flew in one day towardsa certain holy location, but I'm not sure on this story.
6) And there's more I can't remember at the moment, too. psyduck;
So it's all about nameless people? If my house flew across the world, I'm sure everyone would know about it.
The Empire State Buildining really shouldn't last. It's around 1,000 feet, and has lasted many decades. Is this church taller than the Empire State Building? Unless the entire building was suspended on the corner of a moutain with no support and built from wood blessed with the piss of Jesus, I'm not amazed.
hai2u immune system
Giant sea monsters and dragons have been recorded since the dawn of time. There's loads more evidence of the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot than "god."
You're saying decomposition isn't a normal process and self inflicted damage is nonexistant? HAY GUYS, I DREW FOUND AN ATOM SYMBOL ON MY FOREHEAD. THAT'S PROOF OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER.
I've seen cows get caught in tornadoes and fly for miles on TV. Hell, there have been downpours of frogs and fish in Australia.
My mind has no boundaries.
It wasn't the height. It was something about the position and angle that made it so that it should have fallen.
I don't think it was anything the immune system could have handled, as it was an accidental but major overdose on drugs.
But have there been videos of dragons and the lochness monster. Real live exorcisms have been filmed, and one was once aired on television.
I can see your point on the nail, but I don't think you can purposly grow roses out of yourself.
But the house wasn't damaged at all when it was found there.
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It wasn't the height. It was something about the position and angle that made it so that it should have fallen.
I don't think it was anything the immune system could have handled, as it was an accidental but major overdose on drugs.
But have there been videos of dragons and the lochness monster. Real live exorcisms have been filmed, and one was once aired on television.
I can see your point on the nail, but I don't think you can purposly grow roses out of yourself.
But the house wasn't damaged at all when it was found there.
The Leaning Tower of Pisa is no miracle.
Drugs can be passed out of the body through waste, you know. If you take aspirin, it exits your body through urine. An overdose on any drug takes longer to completely clear out, but it's possible.
Bigfoot and Nessie have been filmed and photographed. Do they exist? Nessie is doubtful, but our seas have barely been explored. If I screamed on camera and had some guy sprinkle water on me, would you shit your pants? Crazy people have always existed, and it's no miracle.
Seeds can gather in the appendix, and if death occurs, some plants can sprout. Appendicitis is sometimes a result of small fruit seeds (raspberries and apples if you eat the core) gathering in the lower intestines.
But the Wicked Witch of the East didn't survive. Quite a tragedy, it was.
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It wasn't the height. It was something about the position and angle that made it so that it should have fallen.
I don't think it was anything the immune system could have handled, as it was an accidental but major overdose on drugs.
But have there been videos of dragons and the lochness monster. Real live exorcisms have been filmed, and one was once aired on television.
I can see your point on the nail, but I don't think you can purposly grow roses out of yourself.
But the house wasn't damaged at all when it was found there.
The Leaning Tower of Pisa is no miracle.
Drugs can be passed out of the body through waste, you know. If you take aspirin, it exits your body through urine. An overdose on any drug takes longer to completely clear out, but it's possible.
Bigfoot and Nessie have been filmed and photographed. Do they exist? Nessie is doubtful, but our seas have barely been explored. If I screamed on camera and had some guy sprinkle water on me, would you shit your pants? Crazy people have always existed, and it's no miracle.
Seeds can gather in the appendix, and if death occurs, some plants can sprout. Appendicitis is sometimes a result of small fruit seeds (raspberries and apples if you eat the core) gathering in the lower intestines.
But the Wicked Witch of the East didn't survive. Quite a tragedy, it was.
But the stairs were.
I suppose, but can a day get out like 20 pills?
Then I geuss they can exist. It wasn't just screaming too, it had the person speaking an odd and ancient tongue and they were floating!!!....!
But she wasn't dead.
May she forever be in our hearts.
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But the stairs were.
I suppose, but can a day get out like 20 pills?
Then I geuss they can exist. It wasn't just screaming too, it had the person speaking an odd and ancient tongue and they were floating!!!....!
But she wasn't dead.
May she forever be in our hearts.
How so?
Depends on this type of drug, your current health, and the processes used to clean out your system.
OOBLE DEE GOOBLE NECROPHILIA
Show me flowers growing out the ass of a living person, and I will become an hero.
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Show me flowers growing out the ass of a living person, and I will become an hero.
This is what I desperatley hate about not having Photoshop. poppy;
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You do realize this is Serious Discussion, right?
Sorry, I fail to see the difference between that post, and alot of the other posts in this thread pertaining to god's existance with absolutley no evidence.
Except, I did it and caps with spelling mistakes. y;
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But the stairs were.
I suppose, but can a day get out like 20 pills?
Then I geuss they can exist. It wasn't just screaming too, it had the person speaking an odd and ancient tongue and they were floating!!!....!
But she wasn't dead.
May she forever be in our hearts.
How so?
Depends on this type of drug, your current health, and the processes used to clean out your system.
OOBLE DEE GOOBLE NECROPHILIA
Show me flowers growing out the ass of a living person, and I will become an hero.
They were purposly built into a position so that it should collaspe when pressure is put on it. The only way it was explained was that it was a miracle, as the wood was from some JErusalem tree and the man was unknown.
I think the drugs weren't even something she should've taken in the first place. And I'm not sure that it even came out of her. It was just gone the next day. psyduck;
I don't think they have pics of it, but they might of in an article.
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You do realize this is Serious Discussion, right?
Sorry, I fail to see the difference between that post, and alot of the other posts in this thread pertaining to god's existance with absolutley no evidence.
Except, I did it and caps with spelling mistakes. y;
You did realise I just posted evidence, right?
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You do realize this is Serious Discussion, right?
Sorry, I fail to see the difference between that post, and alot of the other posts in this thread pertaining to god's existance with absolutley no evidence.
Except, I did it and caps with spelling mistakes. y;
You did realise I just posted evidence, right?
I saw, you're an exception. I wasn't referring to just you, and in fact, least of all you, since you gave evidence, even if alot of it sounds fake....
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You do realize this is Serious Discussion, right?
Sorry, I fail to see the difference between that post, and alot of the other posts in this thread pertaining to god's existance with absolutley no evidence.
Except, I did it and caps with spelling mistakes. y;
You did realise I just posted evidence, right?
I saw, you're an exception. I wasn't referring to just you, and in fact, least of all you, since you gave evidence, even if alot of it sounds fake....
The only bit that might be fake is the priest thing due to Lawlz' persuassion, and the house.
It was only because you quoted me that I thought you were meaning me too.
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They were purposly built into a position so that it should collaspe when pressure is put on it. The only way it was explained was that it was a miracle, as the wood was from some JErusalem tree and the man was unknown.
I think the drugs weren't even something she should've taken in the first place. And I'm not sure that it even came out of her. It was just gone the next day. psyduck;
I don't think they have pics of it, but they might of in an article.
If I took a shit in Jerusalem and it burst into flames, would it be a miracle? Obviously it was built to be sturdy and the area the wood came from had no bearing on it. The guy probably just wanted to impress people and have them think it's a miracle. Gullibility: it exists.
People take medication they're not prescribed all the time. Sometimes it's dangerous, other times it's not. More than likely, the person will survive. Not a miracle, and it was most likely exaggerated to see how many people would be amazed. Same as above.
Not every unusual event is a miracle. If a scientist dies, some religious folk will say it was because he went against god, disregarding the fact everyone (should) die. If a Christian girl gets colon cancer and lives, it's a miracle. The atheist fellow in the next room that had brain cancer for 15 years and survived was nothing special.
It's all in the way a person tells the story.
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They were purposly built into a position so that it should collaspe when pressure is put on it. The only way it was explained was that it was a miracle, as the wood was from some JErusalem tree and the man was unknown.
I think the drugs weren't even something she should've taken in the first place. And I'm not sure that it even came out of her. It was just gone the next day. psyduck;
I don't think they have pics of it, but they might of in an article.
If I took a shit in Jerusalem and it burst into flames, would it be a miracle? Obviously it was built to be sturdy and the area the wood came from had no bearing on it. The guy probably just wanted to impress people and have them think it's a miracle. Gullibility: it exists.
People take medication they're not prescribed all the time. Sometimes it's dangerous, other times it's not. More than likely, the person will survive. Not a miracle, and it was most likely exaggerated to see how many people would be amazed. Same as above.
Not every unusual event is a miracle. If a scientist dies, some religious folk will say it was because he went against god, disregarding the fact everyone (should) die. If a Christian girl gets colon cancer and lives, it's a miracle. The atheist fellow in the next room that had brain cancer for 15 years and survived was nothing special.
It's all in the way a person tells the story.
I don't see how the shit would catch on fire. burned; Yes, the stairs were built to be sturdy but it was scientificly impossible. It should apparently collapse at any moment, yet it doesn't. And the man wasn't the one who told the people at the church, it was the scientists who took a sample of the wood. Sure, gullibility exists, but so does faith and religion.
But the overdose was deadly. She was brutally sick and beyond recovery at the time she was in the hospital.
I can't really say that's wrong. For it's true, there are radicalists out there that make everything seem to be a miracle. However, I think the cause and effects in these situations make it more than propaghanda.
Can't really say no, but neither can I yes.
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Can't really say no, but neither can I yes.
What an explanation...
Yes, I have full faith in God. I'm not here to try and convince anyone so don't ask for "proof." I've personally felt the spirit. I don't need any proof that God is real, the facts are the bible is full of historical records and we have physical proof a man named Jesus lived. And just look around...there has to be some sort of higher power. I refuse to believe in another explanation for all these mysteries...the emotions we fell...the miracles of the world. I didn't evolve from an ape.
Quote from: *Boo* on May 01, 2007, 07:15:06 PM
Yes, I have full faith in God. I'm not here to try and convince anyone so don't ask for "proof." I've personally felt the spirit. I don't need any proof that God is real, the facts are the bible is full of historical records and we have physical proof a man named Jesus lived. And just look around...there has to be some sort of higher power. I refuse to believe in another explanation for all these mysteries...the emotions we fell...the miracles of the world. I didn't evolve from an ape.
Just because you believe in a deity doesn't mean you have to deny evolution. If the bible is to be regarded as fact, then so must evolution. For all we know, your supposed god just planted simple creatures on earth and let them evolved. You wouldn't want to deny his powers, would you?
We can observe viruses, the simplest form of life (debatable as to whether they are truly alive, but they're on the border) evolve, and there's no denying it happens on a larger scale over extended periods of time. If building a boat to hold every animal on earth (in peaceful coexistence) and a guy coming back as a "holy" zombie are fact, there is no denying evolution.
I'm not here to change my views. I don't have anything against evolution, but I don't believe in it. I believe God sent us from heaven, not let us evolve.
Quote from: *Boo* on May 01, 2007, 07:15:06 PM
Yes, I have full faith in God. I'm not here to try and convince anyone so don't ask for "proof." I've personally felt the spirit. I don't need any proof that God is real, the facts are the bible is full of historical records and we have physical proof a man named Jesus lived. And just look around...there has to be some sort of higher power. I refuse to believe in another explanation for all these mysteries...the emotions we fell...the miracles of the world. I didn't evolve from an ape.
Go to Mexico, you'll find even more of "Jesus". The name doesn't prove anything.
And you haven't proof you didn't evolve from an ape, you just don't wasnt to accept the idea you evolved from one. nigro;
Quote from: *Boo* on May 01, 2007, 07:15:06 PM
Yes, I have full faith in God. I'm not here to try and convince anyone so don't ask for "proof." I've personally felt the spirit. I don't need any proof that God is real, the facts are the bible is full of historical records and we have physical proof a man named Jesus lived. And just look around...there has to be some sort of higher power. I refuse to believe in another explanation for all these mysteries...the emotions we fell...the miracles of the world. I didn't evolve from an ape.
I'm an atheist and I believe Jesus existed.
I just don't believe he had any divine connections or anything. He was just a great man, like Gandhi, Buddha, and Martin Luther King.
i dont believe in god.
i enjoy life :D
I have faith in him, I know he is real. Without faith, it is impossible to believe in God.
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I have faith in him, I know he is real. Without faith, it is impossible to believe in God.
Correction: You
think he is real.
Nothing is ever certain.
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I have faith in him, I know he is real. Without faith, it is impossible to believe in God.
Correction: You think he is real.
Nothing is ever certain.
My faith lets me know. psyduck;
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Quote from: Fireman.exe on May 06, 2007, 07:26:50 PM
I have faith in him, I know he is real. Without faith, it is impossible to believe in God.
Correction: You think he is real.
Nothing is ever certain.
Perfectly executed statement.
The only things that humans can KNOW is real are the things with facts to back them up.
And even than, popular facts are proven wrong.
But untill than we can only know truth, not faith.
...To be on topic, I believe there is a God, but I am not living in his footsteps as he would want us to. I sin on a regular basis; fornication, envy, things of that nature.
I believe, but I try not to think about it too much, because I am too young to stress myself with the thought, I guess. I just live my life. y;
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I have faith in him, I know he is real. Without faith, it is impossible to believe in God.
Correction: You think he is real.
Nothing is ever certain.
My faith lets me know. psyduck;
Faith relies on ignorance.
The Bible=Proof. educate;
Read it.
got god?
[move]yes I do! God FTW![/move]
Quote from: ACWW on May 15, 2007, 03:37:43 PM
The Bible=Proof. educate;
Read it.
got god?
[move]yes I do! God FTW![/move]
I've read the entire Bible.
I actually don't really know what to believe.
Quote from: ACWW on May 15, 2007, 03:37:43 PM
The Bible=Proof. educate;
Read it.
got god?
[move]yes I do! God FTW![/move]
Give me proof that the bible is actually true.
I belive in God. I really don't see any other explanations. Sure there is evolution and whatever but still. How could this whole entire universe be made out of nothing? How could we be alive? Sure there is no proof and I'm not trying to convince you guys to believe in God. Yes I don't KNOW he is there because there is no true evidence but I do believe. I think that is enough.
I don't.
I really just don't see why I should believe in something that has no real proof of existing.
I'm an atheist. Religion seems a bit too farcical to me. Nobody picks their religion. You're pretty much always born into it.
Now if religion is about some form of reward either in your life or the afterlife, then that seems a bit unfair really. Basically, it just depends on which one you're born in to.
People have said atheism is stupid, because you're guaranteed to lose out if religion is real. At least if you follow a religion there's a chance it's the right one. I really don't follow that argument either. If God is so infinitely wise, he'll see the rationale for my decision, and will understand. I leave a mostly moral life. Will I be denied heaven simply for not following the religion? I mean, surely it's better that I've lived a moral life because it's right than if I'd done it simply to be rewarded at the end?
Really can't see God or whatever turning people away because they were in the wrong religion, or didn't have one. I mean, there's so many. Who was to say the Greeks or Egyptians weren't right, and everyone since about 300AD has been punished in the afterlife?
They're too trivial for me to bother with. When you get a religion that has hard-core proof it is right, then I'll buy it. People mock Scientology (myself included), but other religions are no better. They've just been around longer and are more established in culture.
If I were to pick a religion, I'd go for Buddhism. No Gods, just the basic mantra that if you're a good person, good things shall happen to you.
If I had to choose a religion, it'd be Protestant. That's the closest I can get to my current beliefs. It's my own belief system and Protestants match what I want ti to be.
HAHAHA.
No, everything can be explained by science, no need for god.
Quote from: rostilfc on May 18, 2007, 01:03:17 PM
I'm an atheist. Religion seems a bit too farcical to me. Nobody picks their religion. You're pretty much always born into it.
Now if religion is about some form of reward either in your life or the afterlife, then that seems a bit unfair really. Basically, it just depends on which one you're born in to.
People have said atheism is stupid, because you're guaranteed to lose out if religion is real. At least if you follow a religion there's a chance it's the right one. I really don't follow that argument either. If God is so infinitely wise, he'll see the rationale for my decision, and will understand. I leave a mostly moral life. Will I be denied heaven simply for not following the religion? I mean, surely it's better that I've lived a moral life because it's right than if I'd done it simply to be rewarded at the end?
Really can't see God or whatever turning people away because they were in the wrong religion, or didn't have one. I mean, there's so many. Who was to say the Greeks or Egyptians weren't right, and everyone since about 300AD has been punished in the afterlife?
I agree entirely with that paragraph. If God does exist I'm sure he would allow an atheist who lived a life full of moral, compassion for others, and generosity over a Christian who might live a life of hypocrisy, hatred, and selfishness. If he does exist and denies anyone that isn't the correct religion entrance into heaven I don't want to be there. It would be a corrupt place. Good people with morals would be tossed aside for those who's only claim to heaven is their belief in God.
I don't believe he exists but if he does I'm not bothered by it. I abide by a stricter set of morals than most Christians. I don't that preach something is wrong but do it myself. If I say something is wrong I don't do it.
I do but I don't.
I do because there really is no explanation for how everything came to be, except the evolution theory which is retarded. But I don't because I can't imagine hom much time it took for God to add every little detail to the human body. I'm easily convinced, though. gentleman;
Quote from: PotTomato on May 18, 2007, 06:29:57 PM
I do but I don't.
I do because there really is no explanation for how everything came to be, except the evolution theory which is retarded. But I don't because I can't imagine hom much time it took for God to add every little detail to the human body. I'm easily convinced, though. gentleman;
Evolution is not retarded. MRSA and other suberbugs prove that it at least works. It's far superior to the notion of Creationism.
Quote from: jonathanhan on May 18, 2007, 12:49:08 PMI belive in God. I really don't see any other explanations. Sure there is evolution and whatever but still. How could this whole entire universe be made out of nothing?
Situation A: The universe was sparked from a singularity in which a massive amount of energy was released, and the energy under massive pressure began to form the particles of matter that make up the physical universe, expanding outwards, and constantly evolving more and more elaborate forms of matter. It is theorized that this "big bang" was caused by overlapping membranes of the mulitverse colliding, releasing a massive amount of energy to spark this creation.
Situation B: An invisible man who knows and sees everything, decided to create our universe and life on a whim (certainly not a curiousity, since he knows everything), and watches over us and cares about each and every one of us, and has a plan.
Which seems more outrageous to you?
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Quote from: jonathanhan on May 18, 2007, 12:49:08 PMI belive in God. I really don't see any other explanations. Sure there is evolution and whatever but still. How could this whole entire universe be made out of nothing?
Situation A: The universe was sparked from a singlurity in which a massive amount of energy was released, and the energy under massive pressure began to form the particles of matter that make up the physical universe, expanding outwards, and constantly evolving more and more elaborate forms of matter. It is theorized that this "big bang" was caused by overlapping membranes of the mulitverse colliding, releasing a massive amount of energy to spark this creation.
Situation B: An invisible man who knows and sees everything, decided to create our universe and life on a whim (certainly not a curiousity, since he knows everything), and watches over us and cares about each and every one of us, and has a plan.
Which seems more outrageous to you?
Nice way to put it.
No. I'm atheist. To me it makes no sense. If you do something wrong then you pray to god saying you are sorry and you won't do it again. God forgives you. Think of all the people at the moment God is "forgiving" people.What if you do it again? is God suppose to forgive you all those times? They said god made earth out of dirt with his own hands.How would there be dirt in the first place if there was no earth? If there was such thing as "heaven" then where is it? Space? In the clouds? And the point in going to church every Sunday. Why Sunday? How did people even know about "God" then? If there was really "God" would he have to tell someone himself, mean someone has seen God before to know of him? I still remember when in school, at lunch, a piece of my sandwich fell on the floor. I went down to pick it up. I dusted it off and then i put it in my mouth. One of my friends screamed," The devil could have licked that!" I was so surprised I almost choked on my food.
I said," What!??"
She said," If you drop something on the floor, the devil could have licked it!"
I replied," So?
She goes," Your going to be cursed!"
I just stared and said," Cursed?I always eat stuff off the ground and I'm fine...".....
And think for a second people. Have you ever ate something off the ground? Are you cursed? Look at the poor people who HAD to eat stuff off the ground. Are they cursed? My own mom had to eat off the ground because if she didn't she wouldn't SURVIVE. Food is probably falling and touching the ground every second. The devil must have a tongue the size of earth to lick all that food. And pigs. Pigs= Pork. They LIVE on the ground. The devil is licking them. Because I eat pork. I eat pigs for dinner sometimes.
And human is also FOOD for some animals. So the devil is licking us? I always eat stuff when it falls.
Another thing is about Jesus.
In TV, Books, And other stuff, God always appears as a light. A beam of light. So this beam of light told a person, a particular person named Mary, to give birth to his son. An Angel tell her. So, all those angels are dead people. If you are dead to turn into some angels and go to heaven is you didn't do any sins. Pride is a sin. Kids feel proud if they do something good. Teachers always tell you to feel proud of yourself you you ace a test. So you are suppose to walk around emo, no self esteem? Lying is also a sin. Should never lie. Right. Say sorry to God if you happen to be a mass murderer. God will forgive you.
Pray twhen you are about to eat. You are thanking God for food. Licked by the devil. Cabbage. Potatoes. Carrots. All grow touching the floor. They must be licked by the devil. Can't eat those.
Hard to think isn't it? If God was real and a real place called heaven and hell, then I really think a majority of the world is in hell.
@ DecembeR: Yeah, I don't even think it's worth making a post like that anymore. So many things about that religion contradict with another thing from the religion, it's outrageous. Making a huge post about yet another thing is kind of pointless. Not saying you're in trouble, but just a heads up, you don't need to go into huge detail about it. y;
This kind of topic really interests me, so I will one by one point out my views. Beware, this will be a long post.. probably.
The RavenQuoteI do believe in God. I believe that someone made the trees and the Earth and other planets. I just can't fathom them appearing all by themselves.
I hear this answer quite a bit, but what I can not understand is how you can fathom an all powerful sky wizard who has "always been there" making the universe, but you make the idea of things appearing my themselves sound like crazy talk.
LozalQuoteSame here. All my friends and family have always taught me that if I don't believe, I'll go to http://starcraft2.com/. But I'm seriously questioning if He really does exist.
I find it sad that Christians, and most regularly Southern Baptists, brainwash young children with thoughts of a place of eternal pain and suffering. Whatever happened to letting people make their own choices, kids nowadays will never truly be able to make their own decision on religion from years and years of brainwashing from their parents and church.
LawlzQuoteUnless I am god, there is no possible way for a god to exist. This world is a result of my own mind.
QuoteProve to me you exist.
You can't. We live in and control our own separate universes.
What
did you Administrators mean by Serious Discussion when you made this forum? gonk;
Charizard-level10QuoteYeah, I believe in God. There's no actual way to prove God exists, but there's really no way to disprove it either.
I believe in God because something or someone had to have done something to create the world/universe. Things don't just appear out of nothing, unless you believe in spontaneous generation. I'm not sure if there's really God the way most people (who believe in God) picture it, but there has to be some sort of superior being. Though that still would leave the problem of who/what created the superior being, but that's something that's pretty much impossible to fathom, for my mind at least.
Again, things coming from nothing is just
silly talk, but if you add in an invisible man in the sky it is
serious business.
Enough quotes for me, on to my answer to the question.
No I do not believe in a dead Jewish zombie who is his own father.
Simple as that...
Quote from: Necro on May 19, 2007, 10:25:07 AM
@ DecembeR: Yeah, I don't even think it's worth making a post like that anymore. So many things about that religion contradict with another thing from the religion, it's outrageous. Making a huge post about yet another thing is kind of pointless. Not saying you're in trouble, but just a heads up, you don't need to go into huge detail about it. y;
Still, I was bored, and I wanted to prove my point. caterpie;
I go to church on the occasion with my family, and I was a firm believer until I hit 14 years of age, when you enter high school and really see things for the first time. I still believe, but every now and then, after a shit day... I wonder whether or not God truly exists. Is my praying doing nothing? am I just wasting my time? I would say I still believe in God, but I cannot see how one would base his life around claims that are based on faith, and not proof or fact.
Quote from: DecembeR on May 20, 2007, 02:48:13 PM
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@ DecembeR: Yeah, I don't even think it's worth making a post like that anymore. So many things about that religion contradict with another thing from the religion, it's outrageous. Making a huge post about yet another thing is kind of pointless. Not saying you're in trouble, but just a heads up, you don't need to go into huge detail about it. y;
Still, I was bored, and I wanted to prove my point. caterpie;
Your avi scares me.
My answer is somewhat complicated and depends on the definition of the word "god", but for the sake of simplicity: No.
I do! I think it's kinda stupid not believing in things that are good.
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:18:27 PM
I do! I think it's kinda stupid not believing in things that are good.
Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny are all "good", they give you stuff.
Flooding the earth to kill everyone(well, except Noah and his family) doesn't seem good.
Allowing Satan to kill Job's family and give him boils doesn't seem good.
There are many things the bible says he has done that wouldn't be good.
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:18:27 PM
I do! I think it's kinda stupid not believing in things that are good.
...Wow. Please leave and come back to serious discussion when you can input real thought into the discussion.
Quote from: JMV290 on May 20, 2007, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:18:27 PM
I do! I think it's kinda stupid not believing in things that are good.
Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny are all "good", they give you stuff.
Flooding the earth to kill everyone(well, except Noah and his family) doesn't seem good.
Allowing Satan to kill Job's family and give him boils doesn't seem good.
There are many things the bible says he has done that wouldn't be good.
It's easy to say that those things aren't real.... A fat guy who rides in a sleigh? A big Easter bunny giving out eggs when you find a tag on the costume? A big castle made out of teeth that's floating in the sky? Anyways... Your right about
Flooding the earth to kill everyone(well, except Noah and his family) doesn't seem good.
Allowing Satan to kill Job's family and give him boils doesn't seem good.
There are many things the bible says he has done that wouldn't be good.
But there has to be a story behind all of that...
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on May 20, 2007, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:18:27 PM
I do! I think it's kinda stupid not believing in things that are good.
Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny are all "good", they give you stuff.
Flooding the earth to kill everyone(well, except Noah and his family) doesn't seem good.
Allowing Satan to kill Job's family and give him boils doesn't seem good.
There are many things the bible says he has done that wouldn't be good.
It's easy to say that those things aren't real.... A fat guy who rides in a sleigh? A big Easter bunny giving out eggs when you find a tag on the costume? A big castle made out of teeth that's floating in the sky? Anyways... Your right about
But it's hard to say that some all-knowing guy we've never seen runs things? psyduck;
Quote from: Necro on May 20, 2007, 08:32:04 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on May 20, 2007, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:18:27 PM
I do! I think it's kinda stupid not believing in things that are good.
Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny are all "good", they give you stuff.
Flooding the earth to kill everyone(well, except Noah and his family) doesn't seem good.
Allowing Satan to kill Job's family and give him boils doesn't seem good.
There are many things the bible says he has done that wouldn't be good.
It's easy to say that those things aren't real.... A fat guy who rides in a sleigh? A big Easter bunny giving out eggs when you find a tag on the costume? A big castle made out of teeth that's floating in the sky? Anyways... Your right about
But it's hard to say that some all-knowing guy we've never seen runs things? psyduck;
Not when you have alot of believers... Sure the Easter Bunny and all those other fictional characters have lots of kids believing in them but everyone knows that it's just a person in a costume... Anyways... People question how did the world start and how did we get made? The answer can't be nothing...
Well, I believed in Santa until Iw as 15, thing was, I thought I actually saw him sneaking through our house.
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:42:41 PM
Quote from: Necro on May 20, 2007, 08:32:04 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on May 20, 2007, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:18:27 PM
I do! I think it's kinda stupid not believing in things that are good.
Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny are all "good", they give you stuff.
Flooding the earth to kill everyone(well, except Noah and his family) doesn't seem good.
Allowing Satan to kill Job's family and give him boils doesn't seem good.
There are many things the bible says he has done that wouldn't be good.
It's easy to say that those things aren't real.... A fat guy who rides in a sleigh? A big Easter bunny giving out eggs when you find a tag on the costume? A big castle made out of teeth that's floating in the sky? Anyways... Your right about
But it's hard to say that some all-knowing guy we've never seen runs things? psyduck;
Not when you have alot of believers... Sure the Easter Bunny and all those other fictional characters have lots of kids believing in them but everyone knows that it's just a person in a costume... Anyways... People question how did the world start and how did we get made? The answer can't be nothing...
But it doesn't have to be in that of "god". Think like you did for those little myths. The answer to who was putting presents under the tree was Santa, until you thought about it, and realized it was your parents' doing. Now think about the creation of the universe, beyond that of a proofless "all knower".
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:42:41 PM
Quote from: Necro on May 20, 2007, 08:32:04 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on May 20, 2007, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on May 20, 2007, 08:18:27 PM
I do! I think it's kinda stupid not believing in things that are good.
Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny are all "good", they give you stuff.
Flooding the earth to kill everyone(well, except Noah and his family) doesn't seem good.
Allowing Satan to kill Job's family and give him boils doesn't seem good.
There are many things the bible says he has done that wouldn't be good.
It's easy to say that those things aren't real.... A fat guy who rides in a sleigh? A big Easter bunny giving out eggs when you find a tag on the costume? A big castle made out of teeth that's floating in the sky? Anyways... Your right about
But it's hard to say that some all-knowing guy we've never seen runs things? psyduck;
Not when you have alot of believers... Sure the Easter Bunny and all those other fictional characters have lots of kids believing in them but everyone knows that it's just a person in a costume... Anyways... People question how did the world start and how did we get made? The answer can't be nothing...
Actually, the answer could be nothing. There really isn't much evidence that our universe exists, since nothing extends beyond the realm of our thought and imagination.
Do you seriously believe that everything around you is your imagination? Why don't you just imagine yourself anything you want, or did you just imagine yourself up a set of rules prohibiting you from imagining anything you want? While you were at it you must of just imagined up the highly complicated world of science, which you can't even understand entirely yourself, but you had to of imagined it up in the first place.. kinda strange.
You can't just of imagined up science, you would of had to imagine up the contents of science, down the the very last thing. Every last thing in the world down to the last piece of dust in India you would of had to imagined up. Even this completely retarded theory has to answer the question where things came from. Where YOU came from to imagine up the world you are in.
Either you introduced us to the most ridiculous theory for the sake of argument or you are truly... well, stupid to say the least. No offense(Unless you truly believe this theory, then offense).
Quote from: sn3t on May 22, 2007, 08:45:21 PM
Do you seriously believe that everything around you is your imagination? Why don't you just imagine yourself anything you want, or did you just imagine yourself up a set of rules prohibiting you from imagining anything you want? While you were at it you must of just imagined up the highly complicated world of science, which you can't even understand entirely yourself, but you had to of imagined it up in the first place.. kinda strange.
You can't just of imagined up science, you would of had to imagine up the contents of science, down the the very last thing. Every last thing in the world down to the last piece of dust in India you would of had to imagined up. Even this completely retarded theory has to answer the question where things came from. Where YOU came from to imagine up the world you are in.
Either you introduced us to the most ridiculous theory for the sake of argument or you are truly... well, stupid to say the least. No offense(Unless you truly believe this theory, then offense).
Of course, "some guy up in the sky creating everything around us" is a completely logical theory.
There are no limits to what the mind can think up.
Acosmism seems like the most intriguing theory to me at this point.
For the time being, I'll just stick to atheism.
Quote from: sn3t on May 22, 2007, 08:45:21 PM
Do you seriously believe that everything around you is your imagination? Why don't you just imagine yourself anything you want, or did you just imagine yourself up a set of rules prohibiting you from imagining anything you want? While you were at it you must of just imagined up the highly complicated world of science, which you can't even understand entirely yourself, but you had to of imagined it up in the first place.. kinda strange.
You can't just of imagined up science, you would of had to imagine up the contents of science, down the the very last thing. Every last thing in the world down to the last piece of dust in India you would of had to imagined up. Even this completely retarded theory has to answer the question where things came from. Where YOU came from to imagine up the world you are in.
Either you introduced us to the most ridiculous theory for the sake of argument or you are truly... well, stupid to say the least. No offense(Unless you truly believe this theory, then offense).
I merely state possiblities. Nothing is ever certain.
If the universe is controlled by one's subconscious, they they don't really "decide" everything that goes on, do they? It's influenced by the conscious mind's experiences, but not controlled by it.
Could you prove anything existed before your lifetime? Can you prove to anyone else you exist, or can anyone else prove to you they exist? The only thing that can be proven is existence of the mental realm of oneself.
I wouldn't necessarily say I believe this theory, but I think about and develop it.
I think organized religion is a load of bullshit, but I'm not going to stop you from believing in God.
Quote from: Houdini on May 23, 2007, 03:57:03 PM
I think organized religion is a load of bullshit, but I'm not going to stop you from believing in God.
Must you be so blunt?
Quote from: SBKT on May 23, 2007, 04:16:07 PM
Quote from: Houdini on May 23, 2007, 03:57:03 PM
I think organized religion is a load of bullshit, but I'm not going to stop you from believing in God.
Must you be so blunt?
Yes.
Quote from: General Grievous on May 20, 2007, 08:01:02 PM
Quote from: DecembeR on May 20, 2007, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: Necro on May 19, 2007, 10:25:07 AM
@ DecembeR: Yeah, I don't even think it's worth making a post like that anymore. So many things about that religion contradict with another thing from the religion, it's outrageous. Making a huge post about yet another thing is kind of pointless. Not saying you're in trouble, but just a heads up, you don't need to go into huge detail about it. y;
Still, I was bored, and I wanted to prove my point. caterpie;
Your avi scares me.
Summary of my point:
God is NOT real and the devil does NOT have a tongue the size of earth.
Quote from: Houdini on May 23, 2007, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: SBKT on May 23, 2007, 04:16:07 PM
Quote from: Houdini on May 23, 2007, 03:57:03 PM
I think organized religion is a load of bullshit, but I'm not going to stop you from believing in God.
Must you be so blunt?
Yes.
I agree, also, welcome to the forums. All religion in my mind is a load of bull, if you believe in a God, you should need a religion to tell you that you believe in one.
Quote from: Reaper on May 25, 2007, 12:08:35 AM
Quote from: Houdini on May 23, 2007, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: SBKT on May 23, 2007, 04:16:07 PM
Quote from: Houdini on May 23, 2007, 03:57:03 PM
I think organized religion is a load of bullshit, but I'm not going to stop you from believing in God.
Must you be so blunt?
Yes.
I agree, also, welcome to the forums. All religion in my mind is a load of bull, if you believe in a God, you should need a religion to tell you that you believe in one.
Yeah, it's not really so much the God thing that bothers me as the organized religion aspect. Religious organization is what encourages people to be nutty, violent, and self-righteous. Also, I think Christianity is a really lame religion. If you have to believe in something that irrational, at least pick something cool like Greek or Norse mythology.
Quote from: Houdini on May 23, 2007, 03:57:03 PM
I think organized religion is a load of http://starcraft2.com/, but I'm not going to stop you from believing in God.
Agreed. God, to me, is FAKE.
Quote from: Lawlz on May 22, 2007, 08:53:00 PM
Quote from: sn3t on May 22, 2007, 08:45:21 PM
Do you seriously believe that everything around you is your imagination? Why don't you just imagine yourself anything you want, or did you just imagine yourself up a set of rules prohibiting you from imagining anything you want? While you were at it you must of just imagined up the highly complicated world of science, which you can't even understand entirely yourself, but you had to of imagined it up in the first place.. kinda strange.
You can't just of imagined up science, you would of had to imagine up the contents of science, down the the very last thing. Every last thing in the world down to the last piece of dust in India you would of had to imagined up. Even this completely retarded theory has to answer the question where things came from. Where YOU came from to imagine up the world you are in.
Either you introduced us to the most ridiculous theory for the sake of argument or you are truly... well, stupid to say the least. No offense(Unless you truly believe this theory, then offense).
I merely state possiblities. Nothing is ever certain.
If the universe is controlled by one's subconscious, they they don't really "decide" everything that goes on, do they? It's influenced by the conscious mind's experiences, but not controlled by it.
Could you prove anything existed before your lifetime? Can you prove to anyone else you exist, or can anyone else prove to you they exist? The only thing that can be proven is existence of the mental realm of oneself.
I wouldn't necessarily say I believe this theory, but I think about and develop it.
Show me your proof that our mental realm exists.
Quote from: sn3t on May 28, 2007, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: Lawlz on May 22, 2007, 08:53:00 PM
Quote from: sn3t on May 22, 2007, 08:45:21 PM
Do you seriously believe that everything around you is your imagination? Why don't you just imagine yourself anything you want, or did you just imagine yourself up a set of rules prohibiting you from imagining anything you want? While you were at it you must of just imagined up the highly complicated world of science, which you can't even understand entirely yourself, but you had to of imagined it up in the first place.. kinda strange.
You can't just of imagined up science, you would of had to imagine up the contents of science, down the the very last thing. Every last thing in the world down to the last piece of dust in India you would of had to imagined up. Even this completely retarded theory has to answer the question where things came from. Where YOU came from to imagine up the world you are in.
Either you introduced us to the most ridiculous theory for the sake of argument or you are truly... well, stupid to say the least. No offense(Unless you truly believe this theory, then offense).
I merely state possiblities. Nothing is ever certain.
If the universe is controlled by one's subconscious, they they don't really "decide" everything that goes on, do they? It's influenced by the conscious mind's experiences, but not controlled by it.
Could you prove anything existed before your lifetime? Can you prove to anyone else you exist, or can anyone else prove to you they exist? The only thing that can be proven is existence of the mental realm of oneself.
I wouldn't necessarily say I believe this theory, but I think about and develop it.
Show me your proof that our mental realm exists.
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So you're saying nothing exists? YOU have proof that YOUR mental state exists.
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Do you seriously believe that everything around you is your imagination? Why don't you just imagine yourself anything you want, or did you just imagine yourself up a set of rules prohibiting you from imagining anything you want? While you were at it you must of just imagined up the highly complicated world of science, which you can't even understand entirely yourself, but you had to of imagined it up in the first place.. kinda strange.
You can't just of imagined up science, you would of had to imagine up the contents of science, down the the very last thing. Every last thing in the world down to the last piece of dust in India you would of had to imagined up. Even this completely retarded theory has to answer the question where things came from. Where YOU came from to imagine up the world you are in.
Either you introduced us to the most ridiculous theory for the sake of argument or you are truly... well, stupid to say the least. No offense(Unless you truly believe this theory, then offense).
I merely state possiblities. Nothing is ever certain.
If the universe is controlled by one's subconscious, they they don't really "decide" everything that goes on, do they? It's influenced by the conscious mind's experiences, but not controlled by it.
Could you prove anything existed before your lifetime? Can you prove to anyone else you exist, or can anyone else prove to you they exist? The only thing that can be proven is existence of the mental realm of oneself.
I wouldn't necessarily say I believe this theory, but I think about and develop it.
Show me your proof that our mental realm exists.
I can't prove I'm thinking to anyone but myself. The only thing you can prove is your own thought.
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Quote from: sn3t on May 22, 2007, 08:45:21 PM
Do you seriously believe that everything around you is your imagination? Why don't you just imagine yourself anything you want, or did you just imagine yourself up a set of rules prohibiting you from imagining anything you want? While you were at it you must of just imagined up the highly complicated world of science, which you can't even understand entirely yourself, but you had to of imagined it up in the first place.. kinda strange.
You can't just of imagined up science, you would of had to imagine up the contents of science, down the the very last thing. Every last thing in the world down to the last piece of dust in India you would of had to imagined up. Even this completely retarded theory has to answer the question where things came from. Where YOU came from to imagine up the world you are in.
Either you introduced us to the most ridiculous theory for the sake of argument or you are truly... well, stupid to say the least. No offense(Unless you truly believe this theory, then offense).
I merely state possiblities. Nothing is ever certain.
If the universe is controlled by one's subconscious, they they don't really "decide" everything that goes on, do they? It's influenced by the conscious mind's experiences, but not controlled by it.
Could you prove anything existed before your lifetime? Can you prove to anyone else you exist, or can anyone else prove to you they exist? The only thing that can be proven is existence of the mental realm of oneself.
I wouldn't necessarily say I believe this theory, but I think about and develop it.
Show me your proof that our mental realm exists.
....
So you're saying nothing exists? YOU have proof that YOUR mental state exists.
Well, it's only proof if you want to call it proof. Mental State might be an imagination of someone else, for all we know.
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Quote from: sn3t on May 22, 2007, 08:45:21 PM
Do you seriously believe that everything around you is your imagination? Why don't you just imagine yourself anything you want, or did you just imagine yourself up a set of rules prohibiting you from imagining anything you want? While you were at it you must of just imagined up the highly complicated world of science, which you can't even understand entirely yourself, but you had to of imagined it up in the first place.. kinda strange.
You can't just of imagined up science, you would of had to imagine up the contents of science, down the the very last thing. Every last thing in the world down to the last piece of dust in India you would of had to imagined up. Even this completely retarded theory has to answer the question where things came from. Where YOU came from to imagine up the world you are in.
Either you introduced us to the most ridiculous theory for the sake of argument or you are truly... well, stupid to say the least. No offense(Unless you truly believe this theory, then offense).
I merely state possiblities. Nothing is ever certain.
If the universe is controlled by one's subconscious, they they don't really "decide" everything that goes on, do they? It's influenced by the conscious mind's experiences, but not controlled by it.
Could you prove anything existed before your lifetime? Can you prove to anyone else you exist, or can anyone else prove to you they exist? The only thing that can be proven is existence of the mental realm of oneself.
I wouldn't necessarily say I believe this theory, but I think about and develop it.
Show me your proof that our mental realm exists.
....
So you're saying nothing exists? YOU have proof that YOUR mental state exists.
Well, it's only proof if you want to call it proof. Mental State might be an imagination of someone else, for all we know.
You can't really prove what you are thinking.It could be the most honest person in the world telling you he's thinking of a bunny, but who knows what he's thinking? There isn't proof of what somebody thought.
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Quote from: sn3t on May 22, 2007, 08:45:21 PM
Do you seriously believe that everything around you is your imagination? Why don't you just imagine yourself anything you want, or did you just imagine yourself up a set of rules prohibiting you from imagining anything you want? While you were at it you must of just imagined up the highly complicated world of science, which you can't even understand entirely yourself, but you had to of imagined it up in the first place.. kinda strange.
You can't just of imagined up science, you would of had to imagine up the contents of science, down the the very last thing. Every last thing in the world down to the last piece of dust in India you would of had to imagined up. Even this completely retarded theory has to answer the question where things came from. Where YOU came from to imagine up the world you are in.
Either you introduced us to the most ridiculous theory for the sake of argument or you are truly... well, stupid to say the least. No offense(Unless you truly believe this theory, then offense).
I merely state possiblities. Nothing is ever certain.
If the universe is controlled by one's subconscious, they they don't really "decide" everything that goes on, do they? It's influenced by the conscious mind's experiences, but not controlled by it.
Could you prove anything existed before your lifetime? Can you prove to anyone else you exist, or can anyone else prove to you they exist? The only thing that can be proven is existence of the mental realm of oneself.
I wouldn't necessarily say I believe this theory, but I think about and develop it.
Show me your proof that our mental realm exists.
....
So you're saying nothing exists? YOU have proof that YOUR mental state exists.
Well, it's only proof if you want to call it proof. Mental State might be an imagination of someone else, for all we know.
What the hell? That still doesn't disprove anything, even if that did make sense. You'd still know your mental state exists. Even if it's someone else's imagination.
Okay, you those who believe in God, If God is so real, prove it? It's probably a beam of light like the show it on TV.
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Okay, you those who believe in God, If God is so real, prove it? It's probably a beam of light like the show it on TV.
We just have faith that He's there. We can't physically show you that He's there. We just believe he is.
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Okay, you those who believe in God, If God is so real, prove it? It's probably a beam of light like the show it on TV.
We just have faith that He's there. We can't physically show you that He's there. We just believe he is.
Why? So....Didn't God himself have to tell somebody that he's real and all that so that they can make some sort of religion out of it? He has to tell somebody. Or did Jesus tell them?It could be somebody making up all this shit and passing it on, and spreading rumors. I don't think "God" actually told anyone that he was there, if he actually was. And I really don't think little Jesus did either.
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Okay, you those who believe in God, If God is so real, prove it? It's probably a beam of light like the show it on TV.
We just have faith that He's there. We can't physically show you that He's there. We just believe he is.
Why? So....Didn't God himself have to tell somebody that he's real and all that so that they can make some sort of religion out of it? He has to tell somebody. Or did Jesus tell them?It could be somebody making up all this shit and passing it on, and spreading rumors. I don't think "God" actually told anyone that he was there, if he actually was. And I really don't think little Jesus did either.
You know what? We just have to believe in what we believe in. You guys might think it's fake but in the end. It might be worth it. Would you want to live in Hell? Pergatory everlasting? Or Heaven? It's your choice. I'm just saying what I think.
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Quote from: DecembeR on May 28, 2007, 06:40:09 PM
Okay, you those who believe in God, If God is so real, prove it? It's probably a beam of light like the show it on TV.
We just have faith that He's there. We can't physically show you that He's there. We just believe he is.
Why? So....Didn't God himself have to tell somebody that he's real and all that so that they can make some sort of religion out of it? He has to tell somebody. Or did Jesus tell them?It could be somebody making up all this shit and passing it on, and spreading rumors. I don't think "God" actually told anyone that he was there, if he actually was. And I really don't think little Jesus did either.
You know what? We just have to believe in what we believe in. You guys might think it's fake but in the end. It might be worth it. Would you want to live in Hell? Pergatory everlasting? Or Heaven? It's your choice. I'm just saying what I think.
I bet
most of us all of us would go to hell then. We are doing sins all the time. Stop feeling so proud of god because pride is a sin.
I guess i'll go to hell then.
I'm on the fence. I don't know how we got here, or why we are here in the first place. More importantly, I've realized that it is impossible to truly fathom (although we try our best to dumb it down so people can understand, badly) and nobody will ever know the answer until they are dead. Of course then they can't tell us so what's the use in worrying about it? I try to concentrate on all things regarding the beginning of life as little as possible.
I do however believe that current deity-based religions have completely butchered the concept with outdated standards that sadly, a lot of us still follow today. I refuse to base any religious faith off of something conceived by my fellow man. I only believe my fellow humans in issues dealing with realistic events. Anything else is up to me alone, I will not be swayed.
God you see is just another religion, like most religions, they have a way to explain how the world was created. How do you people possibly think yours is right?
I never told anyone on NSider about this, but I've been going to church since I was born.
Yes, I do believe in God.
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I never told anyone on NSider about this, but I've been going to church since I was born.
Yes, I do believe in God.
born? psyduck;
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Okay, you those who believe in God, If God is so real, prove it? It's probably a beam of light like the show it on TV.
I already did. awesome;
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Okay, you those who believe in God, If God is so real, prove it? It's probably a beam of light like the show it on TV.
I already did. awesome;
How exactly did you do that sir? navi;
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I never told anyone on NSider about this, but I've been going to church since I was born.
Yes, I do believe in God.
born? psyduck;
Exited his mother's vagina.
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I never told anyone on NSider about this, but I've been going to church since I was born.
Yes, I do believe in God.
born? psyduck;
Exited his mother's vagina.
but at chruch? psyduck;
I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Quote from: Buffy on June 04, 2007, 08:31:11 PM
I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Get real, read all the posts. dawkins;
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
God is God, he can do anything.
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Get real, read all the posts. dawkins;
There were so many miracles that happened that can't otherwise be explained.
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
God is God, he can do anything.
It's cool if you believe in that, but you at least have to admit it doesn't make any more sense than any other theory from an objective viewpoint.
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
God is God, he can do anything.
It's cool if you believe in that, but you at least have to admit it doesn't make any more sense than any other theory from an objective viewpoint.
I have my reasons, I just forgot them. One day I thought about it for a long while and came up with something that really had me convinced there was a God. It was really complex and now I forget what it even was. All I know is that something had me completely convinced God was real.
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
God is God, he can do anything.
It's cool if you believe in that, but you at least have to admit it doesn't make any more sense than any other theory from an objective viewpoint.
I have my reasons, I just forgot them. One day I thought about it for a long while and came up with something that really had me convinced there was a God. It was really complex and now I forget what it even was. All I know is that something had me completely convinced God was real.
Let's see what happes when you die. Do you think you are going to heaven? After all those sins you don't know you committed? educate;
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
God is God, he can do anything.
It's cool if you believe in that, but you at least have to admit it doesn't make any more sense than any other theory from an objective viewpoint.
I have my reasons, I just forgot them. One day I thought about it for a long while and came up with something that really had me convinced there was a God. It was really complex and now I forget what it even was. All I know is that something had me completely convinced God was real.
Have fun with that. In the meantime, please do not try to rationalize faith.
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
God is God, he can do anything.
It's cool if you believe in that, but you at least have to admit it doesn't make any more sense than any other theory from an objective viewpoint.
I have my reasons, I just forgot them. One day I thought about it for a long while and came up with something that really had me convinced there was a God. It was really complex and now I forget what it even was. All I know is that something had me completely convinced God was real.
Let's see what happes when you die. Do you think you are going to heaven? After all those sins you don't know you committed? educate;
All those sins? When you go to confession, you confess the sins you remember you committed and at the end the priest says something like "Forgive all these sins mentioned and those forgotten." Or at least something along the lines of that. At mass, we are taught that if we are truly sorry for our sins and confess them, pray, and all that jazz we'll go to heaven.
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
God is God, he can do anything.
It's cool if you believe in that, but you at least have to admit it doesn't make any more sense than any other theory from an objective viewpoint.
I have my reasons, I just forgot them. One day I thought about it for a long while and came up with something that really had me convinced there was a God. It was really complex and now I forget what it even was. All I know is that something had me completely convinced God was real.
Let's see what happes when you die. Do you think you are going to heaven? After all those sins you don't know you committed? educate;
All those sins? When you go to confession, you confess the sins you remember you committed and at the end the priest says something like "Forgive all these sins mentioned and those forgotten." Or at least something along the lines of that. At mass, we are taught that if we are truly sorry for our sins and confess them, pray, and all that jazz we'll go to heaven.
So because some priest says your sins are gone, you believe it?
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
God is God, he can do anything.
It's cool if you believe in that, but you at least have to admit it doesn't make any more sense than any other theory from an objective viewpoint.
I have my reasons, I just forgot them. One day I thought about it for a long while and came up with something that really had me convinced there was a God. It was really complex and now I forget what it even was. All I know is that something had me completely convinced God was real.
Let's see what happes when you die. Do you think you are going to heaven? After all those sins you don't know you committed? educate;
All those sins? When you go to confession, you confess the sins you remember you committed and at the end the priest says something like "Forgive all these sins mentioned and those forgotten." Or at least something along the lines of that. At mass, we are taught that if we are truly sorry for our sins and confess them, pray, and all that jazz we'll go to heaven.
So because some priest says your sins are gone, you believe it?
Yes, because it's like praying. When we pray God listens. God knows we confessed so the priest is asking God to forgive us and God does if we are really sorry for what we've done.
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
God is God, he can do anything.
It's cool if you believe in that, but you at least have to admit it doesn't make any more sense than any other theory from an objective viewpoint.
I have my reasons, I just forgot them. One day I thought about it for a long while and came up with something that really had me convinced there was a God. It was really complex and now I forget what it even was. All I know is that something had me completely convinced God was real.
Let's see what happes when you die. Do you think you are going to heaven? After all those sins you don't know you committed? educate;
All those sins? When you go to confession, you confess the sins you remember you committed and at the end the priest says something like "Forgive all these sins mentioned and those forgotten." Or at least something along the lines of that. At mass, we are taught that if we are truly sorry for our sins and confess them, pray, and all that jazz we'll go to heaven.
So because some priest says your sins are gone, you believe it?
Yes, because it's like praying. When we pray God listens. God knows we confessed so the priest is asking God to forgive us and God does if we are really sorry for what we've done.
Surprisingly, a girl at school is supposively hard-core christian and goes to church every Sunday. She was racist, mean and cruel. She hits people screams and won't let anyone but her friends play with her. During lunch break, I saw her play tether ball with this stupid girl named Alison. My friends and my cousins friends have had trouble with them being racist and not letting any asians play at their court.They say it's against the rules when Ronnie threw hard and beat her in one throw. I defended Ron, but she went and became a tattle and told one of the teachers that Ron was cheating. I started to say she was tattling and Ron beat her fairly, and So did my friends and everyone else. But Alison and Her. She started cussing and screaming at Ron, my friends and I. The teacher didn't care. But when Ron finally tried to defend himself, he got in trouble. The teacher was also racist. Today, I challenged ( lol not even a challenge, I could bet her without catching the ball and let her do ropes and everydays... ropes= catch and throw by the rope. everydays= throw and catch without letting it spin around at least twice. And those two are against the SCHOOL rules to do. Not be be too conceited but I am now the girl "champion" of tether ball at school, lol. My cousin is the only one That is a big challenge. Yes I beat ronnie but it's a sad thing.)She knew that I was going to win, so she said " You can't play, you Chink." I asked why and she said it was because she was playing herself. I told her that i could play if I wanted and I don't care whatever she says. So I did. She started kicking me but I continued to play until I beat her. She said She beat me and to gtfo. I told her she was an ass and let her gtfo. I said nobody was in line so it didn't matter who won. The arguement continued and A LOT of people hate her.
So... I wonder what she says at church. But be something along the lines of " Sorry God, I called Kris a Chink. Sorry I told her to gtfo. Sorry God for all those sins. Sorry I got innocent people in big trouble. Sorry I hit many people. Sorry for all those sins I don't know I commited." Soon she'll be saying " Sorry God that I killed a few people. Sorry God that I commited many sins. I'm truely sorry." Yeah right. She's not sorry at all.
God listens???? Think of all those other people in the world. God would be hearing so many people at once. IF you happen to be a murderer and blamed someone else. God will surely forgive you. Even if you seem to have done it so many times. God will forgive you and you'll go to heaven. Wait.. how do yo know if God forgives you? I shoudl bring a hearing aid next time I tune in at the church down my street.I can't hear God forgiving or denying.
God forgives all. *cough*
When the priest says "Forgive all these sins mentioned and those forgotten. Is that and order to God or a request?
This earth is suppose to be made out of dirt with god's hands. Man, I wish God was a bit more creative and made earth a star prism shape. Or maybe even a 3D Decagon. I'd like to see that... Wait.. DIRT? Dirt is on earth so Dirt was created before earth?? Woah.
Where is God? I'd liek to meet him. Seems like a really nice dude, eh? Cool. I wonder how big heaven is. must be really big since all those people died. but hell is probably bigger for all those who don't believe in God and since most of the world's people are Muslim, hell must be the biggest place ever.
Also I should ever eat carrots pork, beef, or anything ever again because it touched the ground and the devil licked it. I seem to probably be nice food for a hungry lion. Wait a minute... EWWWW!!! The devil must be licking me! My new clean shirt! GROSS! If I eat something licked by the devil I'm cursed! but If I, myself, am licked by the devil, surley that's worse?
Mary saw God. On TV he's a beam of light. For little kids, he's a big chubby man all nice.
I don't do any pledge of allegiance at school. I got in trouble for that but the techer was wrong. I shouldn't have gotten in trouble. I could refuse to do it if I wanted. The line "Under God" means I believe in God.
Woah God's a neat dude, I should teach him my handshake. Maybe if I pray enough I'll get Ronnie to love me.
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I do. I'm a catholic; all the other theories of how the world started don't make sense to me. God is the only thing I understand, really.
Evolution is such bullshit. It makes much more sense that women were created when God took out one of Adam's ribs, right?
God is God, he can do anything.
It's cool if you believe in that, but you at least have to admit it doesn't make any more sense than any other theory from an objective viewpoint.
I have my reasons, I just forgot them. One day I thought about it for a long while and came up with something that really had me convinced there was a God. It was really complex and now I forget what it even was. All I know is that something had me completely convinced God was real.
Let's see what happes when you die. Do you think you are going to heaven? After all those sins you don't know you committed? educate;
All those sins? When you go to confession, you confess the sins you remember you committed and at the end the priest says something like "Forgive all these sins mentioned and those forgotten." Or at least something along the lines of that. At mass, we are taught that if we are truly sorry for our sins and confess them, pray, and all that jazz we'll go to heaven.
So because some priest says your sins are gone, you believe it?
Yes, because it's like praying. When we pray God listens. God knows we confessed so the priest is asking God to forgive us and God does if we are really sorry for what we've done.
Maybe if I pray enough I'll get Ronnie to love me.
gtfo of here with the Ronnie shit. argh;
It's my religion. I don't feel like explaining it to you. It would take a terribly long time and I have better things to do. I go to church regularly and I go to a Catholic school. I learn things about God, religion, everything. Do you go to church every week? If you did you'd probably understand. I'm not a hardcore Christian, so I can't really explain it that well.
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It's my religion. I don't feel like explaining it to you. It would take a terribly long time and I have better things to do. I go to church regularly and I go to a Catholic school. I learn things about God, religion, everything. Do you go to church every week? If you did you'd probably understand. I'm not a hardcore Christian, so I can't really explain it that well.
I went to an Episcopal school for eight years. They made us go to a chapel service every single day. Maybe I'm just a cold, stone-hearted atheist, but those eight years of forced prayer and repeated sermons opened my eyes to how ridiculous it is.
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It's my religion. I don't feel like explaining it to you. It would take a terribly long time and I have better things to do. I go to church regularly and I go to a Catholic school. I learn things about God, religion, everything. Do you go to church every week? If you did you'd probably understand. I'm not a hardcore Christian, so I can't really explain it that well.
I went to an Episcopal school for eight years. They made us go to a chapel service every single day. Maybe I'm just a cold, stone-hearted atheist, but those eight years of forced prayer and repeated sermons opened my eyes to how ridiculous it is.
Well, each religion is for different people. Some really get it while others don't. I don't try to talk people into becoming a Catholic, I just try to explain the religion.
Alright Houdini, I think you can lay off now. You're starting to sound like some converter.
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Alright Houdini, I think you can lay off now. You're starting to sound like some converter.
No I like it. It's so true.
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Alright Houdini, I think you can lay off now. You're starting to sound like some converter.
No I like it. It's so true.
It's like in a stereotypical all-black baptist church where the preacher is literally screaming about loving thy neighbor or something and some random guy stands up and shouts "You tell 'em, brotha!"
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Alright Houdini, I think you can lay off now. You're starting to sound like some converter.
No I like it. It's so true.
It's like in a stereotypical all-black baptist church where the preacher is literally screaming about loving thy neighbor or something and some random guy stands up and shouts "You tell 'em, brotha!"
=)
I don't see how people can actually believe god is real. Okay, maybe a 2 or 3 year old might think "Oh mommy! God is Magic!" but how does it possibly make sense???
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Alright Houdini, I think you can lay off now. You're starting to sound like some converter.
No I like it. It's so true.
It's like in a stereotypical all-black baptist church where the preacher is literally screaming about loving thy neighbor or something and some random guy stands up and shouts "You tell 'em, brotha!"
=)
I don't see how people can actually believe god is real. Okay, maybe a 2 or 3 year old might think "Oh mommy! God is Magic!" but how does it possibly make sense???
Because they teach you to believe it's true when you're really little, so you grow up never questioning it.
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Alright Houdini, I think you can lay off now. You're starting to sound like some converter.
No I like it. It's so true.
It's like in a stereotypical all-black baptist church where the preacher is literally screaming about loving thy neighbor or something and some random guy stands up and shouts "You tell 'em, brotha!"
=)
I don't see how people can actually believe god is real. Okay, maybe a 2 or 3 year old might think "Oh mommy! God is Magic!" but how does it possibly make sense???
Because they teach you to believe it's true when you're really little, so you grow up never questioning it.
But that's just stupid! People tell their kids that there's a real monster in their closet and when the grow up, they shouldn't still believe those things.
I will admit, I'm starting to doubt that God is real. I still kind of believe, but I'm thinking about this much more.
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I will admit, I'm starting to doubt that God is real. I still kind of believe, but I'm thinking about this much more.
*cough* Yes! *cough* See the point that where does heaven lie and where does hell? Where is God? Why won't he answer my prayer of my parents winning the lottery?
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I will admit, I'm starting to doubt that God is real. I still kind of believe, but I'm thinking about this much more.
*cough* Yes! *cough* See the point that where does heaven lie and where does hell? Where is God? Why won't he answer my prayer of my parents winning the lottery?
I've prayed to God for the past year now about quitting this addiction I have. God has given me no strength to quit. I've asked many times, but no. No answer, no sign. It just doesn't seem right anymore. I've always wondered my whole life if there really was a God, but I was too afraid to think about it. I've always doubted, but seeing a few arguments was the final nail in the coffin, i guess.
It's a faith system guys. I have faith, and I'm not changing that. If you don't have faith, it's not like we can convince you with facts.
Obviously, God isn't something that's physically there. So how would we go about trying to convince you with facts?
Quote from: MILADMAAAN on June 10, 2007, 06:11:34 PM
It's a faith system guys. I have faith, and I'm not changing that. If you don't have faith, it's not like we can convince you with facts.
Obviously, God isn't something that's physically there. So how would we go about trying to convince you with facts?
For the whole time I though you were athiest. psyduck;
Quote from: MILADMAAAN on June 10, 2007, 06:11:34 PM
It's a faith system guys. I have faith, and I'm not changing that. If you don't have faith, it's not like we can convince you with facts.
Obviously, God isn't something that's physically there. So how would we go about trying to convince you with facts?
What convinced
you that he's there?
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It's a faith system guys. I have faith, and I'm not changing that. If you don't have faith, it's not like we can convince you with facts.
Obviously, God isn't something that's physically there. So how would we go about trying to convince you with facts?
What convinced you that he's there?
Faith. awesome;
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It's a faith system guys. I have faith, and I'm not changing that. If you don't have faith, it's not like we can convince you with facts.
Obviously, God isn't something that's physically there. So how would we go about trying to convince you with facts?
What convinced you that he's there?
Faith. awesome;
Wrong question.
correction: Who convinced you he's real? And How?
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Alright Houdini, I think you can lay off now. You're starting to sound like some converter.
No I like it. It's so true.
It's like in a stereotypical all-black baptist church where the preacher is literally screaming about loving thy neighbor or something and some random guy stands up and shouts "You tell 'em, brotha!"
=)
I don't see how people can actually believe god is real. Okay, maybe a 2 or 3 year old might think "Oh mommy! God is Magic!" but how does it possibly make sense???
Because they teach you to believe it's true when you're really little, so you grow up never questioning it.
But that's just stupid! People tell their kids that there's a real monster in their closet and when the grow up, they shouldn't still believe those things.
But that's because kids grow balls, and can eventually look into the closet, and see for themselves that it's not real. Though the same can be true about god, the boogey-man is a myth, and was made and brought into society as a myth, just to scare children. When christ came into the picture, it was probably intended to be taken seriously, and was, and became a part of modern society. Hence, christ doesn't sound as ridiculous as things like the boogey-man, even if from a scientific point of view, it is.
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I will admit, I'm starting to doubt that God is real. I still kind of believe, but I'm thinking about this much more.
*cough* Yes! *cough* See the point that where does heaven lie and where does hell? Where is God? Why won't he answer my prayer of my parents winning the lottery?
I've prayed to God for the past year now about quitting this addiction I have. God has given me no strength to quit. I've asked many times, but no. No answer, no sign. It just doesn't seem right anymore. I've always wondered my whole life if there really was a God, but I was too afraid to think about it. I've always doubted, but seeing a few arguments was the final nail in the coffin, i guess.
What exactly is your addiction? If you already posted it, well, I don't feel like reading everything in this thread for a second time.
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It's a faith system guys. I have faith, and I'm not changing that. If you don't have faith, it's not like we can convince you with facts.
Obviously, God isn't something that's physically there. So how would we go about trying to convince you with facts?
What convinced you that he's there?
Faith. awesome;
...Ignorance is not an answer.
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I will admit, I'm starting to doubt that God is real. I still kind of believe, but I'm thinking about this much more.
*cough* Yes! *cough* See the point that where does heaven lie and where does ****? Where is God? Why won't he answer my prayer of my parents winning the lottery?
I've prayed to God for the past year now about quitting this addiction I have. God has given me no strength to quit. I've asked many times, but no. No answer, no sign. It just doesn't seem right anymore. I've always wondered my whole life if there really was a God, but I was too afraid to think about it. I've always doubted, but seeing a few arguments was the final nail in the coffin, i guess.
What exactly is your addiction? If you already posted it, well, I don't feel like reading everything in this thread for a second time.Quote from: Original_MIB on June 10, 2007, 06:41:55 PM
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It's a faith system guys. I have faith, and I'm not changing that. If you don't have faith, it's not like we can convince you with facts.
Obviously, God isn't something that's physically there. So how would we go about trying to convince you with facts?
What convinced you that he's there?
Faith. awesome;
...Ignorance is not an answer.
Faith isn't ignorance. **by the way. I am a Christian. And with those four words you probably just stereotyped me--whether or not you admit or deny it you did. Human nature--Just letting you know where I sort of come from. We can go into my personal beliefs another time** I accept my basis of beliefs with faith. You accept your beliefs with faith.Surely you already knew that though.
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I will admit, I'm starting to doubt that God is real. I still kind of believe, but I'm thinking about this much more.
*cough* Yes! *cough* See the point that where does heaven lie and where does ****? Where is God? Why won't he answer my prayer of my parents winning the lottery?
I've prayed to God for the past year now about quitting this addiction I have. God has given me no strength to quit. I've asked many times, but no. No answer, no sign. It just doesn't seem right anymore. I've always wondered my whole life if there really was a God, but I was too afraid to think about it. I've always doubted, but seeing a few arguments was the final nail in the coffin, i guess.
What exactly is your addiction? If you already posted it, well, I don't feel like reading everything in this thread for a second time.Quote from: Original_MIB on June 10, 2007, 06:41:55 PM
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It's a faith system guys. I have faith, and I'm not changing that. If you don't have faith, it's not like we can convince you with facts.
Obviously, God isn't something that's physically there. So how would we go about trying to convince you with facts?
What convinced you that he's there?
Faith. awesome;
...Ignorance is not an answer.
Faith isn't ignorance. **by the way. I am a Christian. And with those four words you probably just stereotyped me--whether or not you admit or deny it you did. Human nature--Just letting you know where I sort of come from. We can go into my personal beliefs another time** I accept my basis of beliefs with faith. You accept your beliefs with faith.Surely you already knew that though.
Faith relies on ignorance. If one remains oblivious to the more logical information, then they have this so called "faith."
I have no true beliefs. I sway between atheism and acosmism.
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I will admit, I'm starting to doubt that God is real. I still kind of believe, but I'm thinking about this much more.
*cough* Yes! *cough* See the point that where does heaven lie and where does hell? Where is God? Why won't he answer my prayer of my parents winning the lottery?
I've prayed to God for the past year now about quitting this addiction I have. God has given me no strength to quit. I've asked many times, but no. No answer, no sign. It just doesn't seem right anymore. I've always wondered my whole life if there really was a God, but I was too afraid to think about it. I've always doubted, but seeing a few arguments was the final nail in the coffin, i guess.
What exactly is your addiction? If you already posted it, well, I don't feel like reading everything in this thread for a second time.
It's more of a problem. I have an internet addiction and I'm irritable all the time. It doesn't sound like a big deal, but it is to me.
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I will admit, I'm starting to doubt that God is real. I still kind of believe, but I'm thinking about this much more.
*cough* Yes! *cough* See the point that where does heaven lie and where does ****? Where is God? Why won't he answer my prayer of my parents winning the lottery?
I've prayed to God for the past year now about quitting this addiction I have. God has given me no strength to quit. I've asked many times, but no. No answer, no sign. It just doesn't seem right anymore. I've always wondered my whole life if there really was a God, but I was too afraid to think about it. I've always doubted, but seeing a few arguments was the final nail in the coffin, i guess.
What exactly is your addiction? If you already posted it, well, I don't feel like reading everything in this thread for a second time.Quote from: Original_MIB on June 10, 2007, 06:41:55 PM
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Quote from: MILADMAAAN on June 10, 2007, 06:11:34 PM
It's a faith system guys. I have faith, and I'm not changing that. If you don't have faith, it's not like we can convince you with facts.
Obviously, God isn't something that's physically there. So how would we go about trying to convince you with facts?
What convinced you that he's there?
Faith. awesome;
...Ignorance is not an answer.
Faith isn't ignorance. **by the way. I am a Christian. And with those four words you probably just stereotyped me--whether or not you admit or deny it you did. Human nature--Just letting you know where I sort of come from. We can go into my personal beliefs another time** I accept my basis of beliefs with faith. You accept your beliefs with faith.Surely you already knew that though.
Faith relies on ignorance. If one remains oblivious to the more logical information, then they have this so called "faith."
I have no true beliefs. I sway between atheism and acosmism.
You, my acquaintance, are a liar. You have beliefs. You believe you should type in complete sentences. You choose whether or not you will pay for the cd or game you buy from a store which is based upon your beliefs of whether stealing is right. Whether you want to admit it, you do have beliefs. It is something ingrained in everyone. As for the statement you do not place faith in anything.
That is an ignorant statement. You are placing faith in the chair you are sitting in right now. You have faith that it won't collapse below you. You have faith that when you fly a kite it is the wind that makes it fly. Yada yada yada we could continue this, but I would much rather hear "the more logical information" you seem to know. Unless you are
ignorant of what that information is.
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I will admit, I'm starting to doubt that God is real. I still kind of believe, but I'm thinking about this much more.
*cough* Yes! *cough* See the point that where does heaven lie and where does ****? Where is God? Why won't he answer my prayer of my parents winning the lottery?
I've prayed to God for the past year now about quitting this addiction I have. God has given me no strength to quit. I've asked many times, but no. No answer, no sign. It just doesn't seem right anymore. I've always wondered my whole life if there really was a God, but I was too afraid to think about it. I've always doubted, but seeing a few arguments was the final nail in the coffin, i guess.
What exactly is your addiction? If you already posted it, well, I don't feel like reading everything in this thread for a second time.
It's more of a problem. I have an internet addiction and I'm irritable all the time. It doesn't sound like a big deal, but it is to me.
First off, I don't think looking for a sign is the best answer to solving your internet addiction. Second, God doesn't work in a "make a conceited prayer and he does the rest" kind of way. You do realize you have to make an effort to change as well? You can't be like "God, help me quit smoking", then pull out a cigarette thinking "if God is going to help me quit smoking, He is going to strike this cigarette from my hand supernaturally". That is ridiculous.
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You, my acquaintance, are a liar. You have beliefs. You believe you should type in complete sentences. You choose whether or not you will pay for the cd or game you buy from a store which is based upon your beliefs of whether stealing is right. Whether you want to admit it, you do have beliefs. It is something ingrained in everyone. As for the statement you do not place faith in anything. That is an ignorant statement. You are placing faith in the chair you are sitting in right now. You have faith that it won't collapse below you. You have faith that when you fly a kite it is the wind that makes it fly. Yada yada yada we could continue this, but I would much rather hear "the more logical information" you seem to know. Unless you are ignorant of what that information is.
Too bad I don't sit on chairs. I use no furniture. Before you try to link this to faith and beliefs, it's because furniture hurts my ass and makes me feel uncomfortable. And that's a fact.
Also, saying "I believe in god" and "I believe I'll get a turkey sammich" aren't the same thing. One requires your petty life to revolve around it; the other is just a simple thought. Facts merely require acknowledgment, whereas faith (in the religious sense, not in terms of relying on the build quality of a stool) does require ignorance.
QuoteFirst off, I don't think looking for a sign is the best answer to solving your internet addiction. Second, God doesn't work in a "make a conceited prayer and he does the rest" kind of way. You do realize you have to make an effort to change as well? You can't be like "God, help me quit smoking", then pull out a cigarette thinking "if God is going to help me quit smoking, He is going to strike this cigarette from my hand supernaturally". That is ridiculous.
What about the old saying "God works in mysterious ways"? You're not this god fellow, so you don't know how he works.
In church the priest said if you pray enough God will help you and give you strength to be a better person and quit unhealthy things, ect. I truly believed God will give me some strength, but I haven't gained any.
Priests really shouldn't give out false information if God doesn't help you.
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In church the priest said if you pray enough God will help you and give you strength to be a better person and quit unhealthy things, ect. I truly believed God will give me some strength, but I haven't gained any.
Priests really shouldn't give out false information if God doesn't help you.
Exactly. If I prayed to god every day,for five years, will my family win the lottery and live an even more luxurious life? Oh God, please. Please my family really wants to win the lottery. We need that money.
Think of all the other people praying to win the lottery that very moment. I could be last in line.
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You, my acquaintance, are a liar. You have beliefs. You believe you should type in complete sentences. You choose whether or not you will pay for the cd or game you buy from a store which is based upon your beliefs of whether stealing is right. Whether you want to admit it, you do have beliefs. It is something ingrained in everyone. As for the statement you do not place faith in anything. That is an ignorant statement. You are placing faith in the chair you are sitting in right now. You have faith that it won't collapse below you. You have faith that when you fly a kite it is the wind that makes it fly. Yada yada yada we could continue this, but I would much rather hear "the more logical information" you seem to know. Unless you are ignorant of what that information is.
Too bad I don't sit on chairs. I use no furniture. Before you try to link this to faith and beliefs, it's because furniture hurts my *** and makes me feel uncomfortable. And that's a fact.
Also, saying "I believe in god" and "I believe I'll get a turkey sammich" aren't the same thing. One requires your petty life to revolve around it; the other is just a simple thought. Facts merely require acknowledgment, whereas faith (in the religious sense, not in terms of relying on the build quality of a stool) does require ignorance.
QuoteFirst off, I don't think looking for a sign is the best answer to solving your internet addiction. Second, God doesn't work in a "make a conceited prayer and he does the rest" kind of way. You do realize you have to make an effort to change as well? You can't be like "God, help me quit smoking", then pull out a cigarette thinking "if God is going to help me quit smoking, He is going to strike this cigarette from my hand supernaturally". That is ridiculous.
What about the old saying "God works in mysterious ways"? You're not this god fellow, so you don't know how he works.
God does not work in mysterious ways. Ignorant people that say they believe in God and don't read the Bible make the statement "God works in mysterious ways". That's just some random cliche from a movie. Movies also have zombies rape women and I don't try to relate that to religion. Haha. Anyways, I'm not trying to start a fight just talking so let's not get super tense or anything. Cool? So anyways, do you believe in like evolution or something? Any system of thinking that involves how the universe stated or whatever is accepted by faith. If you believe in the Big Bang. Faith. I big ball of goo evolved into a monkey then into me. Faith. If you weren't there, you have to accept it with Faith. Besides you only don't sit in chairs because you don't trust them. Don't give me that "this studded chair is uncomfortable on my tush" junk. I'm not buying.
Quote from: Buffy on June 11, 2007, 08:19:52 PM
In church the priest said if you pray enough God will help you and give you strength to be a better person and quit unhealthy things, ect. I truly believed God will give me some strength, but I haven't gained any.
Priests really shouldn't give out false information if God doesn't help you.
You are dodging what I siad. You have to put forth effort too. Talking to people about it helps too. Having accountability friends goes a long way. God didn't mean for you to face things all alone.
I am putting up an effort. It's not that easy.
Quote from: Buffy on June 11, 2007, 08:19:52 PM
In church the priest said if you pray enough God will help you and give you strength to be a better person and quit unhealthy things, ect. I truly believed God will give me some strength, but I haven't gained any.
Priests really shouldn't give out false information if God doesn't help you.
That seriously sounds like a selfish way of doing things. God will help you, and I forget who said it, but they said that if it was God's will for you do to something, then he has already given you the strength to do it. But He doesn't, like hollywood said, just strike it out like people say. God works in whispers, and most people don't understand that. You don't just pray to quit smoking and then you suddenly aren't addicted anymore. You pray that God gives you the strength to quit, then actually try to quit.
And sure, that sounds like God isn't helping you, but He is. You just have to have faith, otherwise all it will seem like is that He's not doing anything.
QuoteWhat about the old saying "God works in mysterious ways"? You're not this god fellow, so you don't know how he works.
What about the story where Elijah was being chased down by the paganized kingdom of Israel, and he is chased all the way to a cave. Then he asks God to take his life away, but God speaks to him in the form of a whisper. Not a thunderous cloud or a sound of trumpets, even though that's what he did with Moses. And that brings me to your 'You don't know how He works". That's right, he doesn't, but you don't either. Nobody knows why God does certain things. And, in all seriousness, we
can't understand. We're too sinful to understand. That's why we needed Jesus to cleanse our sins.
QuoteI am putting up an effort. It's not that easy.
Nobody said it was easy. Job had his family killed and all of his land taken away. But he remained faithful to God's purpose, and he was rewarded with twice as much.
I still believe in God, I just don't really follow him as much as I used to.
It's hard to explain what's going through my head right now.
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 11, 2007, 08:30:51 PM
God does not work in mysterious ways. Ignorant people that say they believe in God and don't read the Bible make the statement "God works in mysterious ways". That's just some random cliche from a movie. Movies also have zombies rape women and I don't try to relate that to religion. Haha. Anyways, I'm not trying to start a fight just talking so let's not get super tense or anything. Cool? So anyways, do you believe in like evolution or something? Any system of thinking that involves how the universe stated or whatever is accepted by faith. If you believe in the Big Bang. Faith. I big ball of goo evolved into a monkey then into me. Faith. If you weren't there, you have to accept it with Faith. Besides you only don't sit in chairs because you don't trust them. Don't give me that "this studded chair is uncomfortable on my tush" junk. I'm not buying.
I find floors to be comfortable. Wow, that must be some severe bullshit, right? Some women like rings through their nipples. I'd prefer a plush surface over a nasty mushed cushion.
AND MICROEVOLUTION IS OBSERVED. MANY SPECIES ARE LINKED. AS FAR AS THAT GOES, THE EVOLUTION OF MANY SPECIES IS PROVEN. COMING FROM A VOLCANIC GLOB OF GOOD HAS NOT YET BEEN PROVEN, THOUGH EXPERIMENTS HAVE SHOWN AMINO ACIDS AND PROTEINS CAN FORM FROM SUCH A THING. FOR ALL I KNOW, NOTHING EXISTED BEFORE ME. NOTHING EXISTS NOW. EVERYTHING IS A THEORY.
... powerofone;
Quote from: sebastian on June 11, 2007, 08:38:27 PM
That seriously sounds like a selfish way of doing things. God will help you, and I forget who said it, but they said that if it was God's will for you do to something, then he has already given you the strength to do it. But He doesn't, like hollywood said, just strike it out like people say. God works in whispers, and most people don't understand that. You don't just pray to quit smoking and then you suddenly aren't addicted anymore. You pray that God gives you the strength to quit, then actually try to quit.
And sure, that sounds like God isn't helping you, but He is. You just have to have faith, otherwise all it will seem like is that He's not doing anything.
She isn't doing anything. If someone cuts some addiction, it's their own free will and the people around them. Now tell me: How is this god fellow helping her? She's praying, but nothing is happening. This "You need to believe" malarky is nothing. That makes a person push herself harder to succeed in order to think such a thing is real.
QuoteWhat about the story where Elijah was being chased down by the paganized kingdom of Israel, and he is chased all the way to a cave. Then he asks God to take his life away, but God speaks to him in the form of a whisper. Not a thunderous cloud or a sound of trumpets, even though that's what he did with Moses. And that brings me to your 'You don't know how He works". That's right, he doesn't, but you don't either. Nobody knows why God does certain things. And, in all seriousness, we can't understand. We're too sinful to understand. That's why we needed Jesus to cleanse our sins.
He can't "cleanse" the sins of someone that hasn't been born yet.
If I'm out getting high and getting knocked up, Jesus can't help me. He's dead. He was killed for pissing people off. powerofone;
And that was just a story. Stories are, for the most part, fictional.
QuoteNobody said it was easy. Job had his family killed and all of his land taken away. But he remained faithful to God's purpose, and he was rewarded with twice as much.
He was rewarded with a lonely death.
QuoteShe isn't doing anything. If someone cuts some addiction, it's their own free will and the people around them. Now tell me: How is this god fellow helping her? She's praying, but nothing is happening. This "You need to believe" malarky is nothing. That makes a person push herself harder to succeed in order to think such a thing is real.
Not doing anything is imposing that you haven't the will to quit. Like I said, God's going to give you strength, not do it for you. Sure, with the whole "Jesus, take the wheel" stuff going around, that's what it sounds like. But, if you think about it, you still have control of your life. God's giving you the strength, you just need to, without doubts, accept it.
QuoteHe can't "cleanse" the sins of someone that hasn't been born yet.
So what are you saying? He only cleansed the sins of the people living at the time? Do you know what the Israelites had to do for forgiveness before Jesus? They had to sacrifice a perfect lamb (no bruises or broken bones). That was the metaphor implied when Jesus was crucified. He was the last sacrifice, not for now, but for all time. God's perfect son, or as some say, The Lamb.
QuoteIf I'm out getting high and getting knocked up, Jesus can't help me. He's dead. He was killed for pissing people off.
And that was just a story. Stories are, for the most part, fictional.
At first, it seemed like you were actually debating this with knowledge. Now you're just being stubborn and biased. And this next quote proves it that you don't even know enough about this subject to debate it.
QuoteHe was rewarded with a lonely death.
http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/RsvBJob.html
There's the entire book, in text. Skip around to Chapter 1 and then to Chapter 42, verse 10.
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Quote from: iamhollywood on June 11, 2007, 08:30:51 PM
God does not work in mysterious ways. Ignorant people that say they believe in God and don't read the Bible make the statement "God works in mysterious ways". That's just some random cliche from a movie. Movies also have zombies rape women and I don't try to relate that to religion. Haha. Anyways, I'm not trying to start a fight just talking so let's not get super tense or anything. Cool? So anyways, do you believe in like evolution or something? Any system of thinking that involves how the universe stated or whatever is accepted by faith. If you believe in the Big Bang. Faith. I big ball of goo evolved into a monkey then into me. Faith. If you weren't there, you have to accept it with Faith. Besides you only don't sit in chairs because you don't trust them. Don't give me that "this studded chair is uncomfortable on my tush" junk. I'm not buying.
I find floors to be comfortable. Wow, that must be some severe bullshit, right? Some women like rings through their nipples. I'd prefer a plush surface over a nasty mushed cushion.
AND MICROEVOLUTION IS OBSERVED. MANY SPECIES ARE LINKED. AS FAR AS THAT GOES, THE EVOLUTION OF MANY SPECIES IS PROVEN. COMING FROM A VOLCANIC GLOB OF GOOD HAS NOT YET BEEN PROVEN, THOUGH EXPERIMENTS HAVE SHOWN AMINO ACIDS AND PROTEINS CAN FORM FROM SUCH A THING. FOR ALL I KNOW, NOTHING EXISTED BEFORE ME. NOTHING EXISTS NOW. EVERYTHING IS A THEORY.
SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION IS TEH TRUTH!!!
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Quote from: Lawlz on June 11, 2007, 08:47:03 PM
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 11, 2007, 08:30:51 PM
God does not work in mysterious ways. Ignorant people that say they believe in God and don't read the Bible make the statement "God works in mysterious ways". That's just some random cliche from a movie. Movies also have zombies rape women and I don't try to relate that to religion. Haha. Anyways, I'm not trying to start a fight just talking so let's not get super tense or anything. Cool? So anyways, do you believe in like evolution or something? Any system of thinking that involves how the universe stated or whatever is accepted by faith. If you believe in the Big Bang. Faith. I big ball of goo evolved into a monkey then into me. Faith. If you weren't there, you have to accept it with Faith. Besides you only don't sit in chairs because you don't trust them. Don't give me that "this studded chair is uncomfortable on my tush" junk. I'm not buying.
I find floors to be comfortable. Wow, that must be some severe bullshit, right? Some women like rings through their nipples. I'd prefer a plush surface over a nasty mushed cushion.
AND MICROEVOLUTION IS OBSERVED. MANY SPECIES ARE LINKED. AS FAR AS THAT GOES, THE EVOLUTION OF MANY SPECIES IS PROVEN. COMING FROM A VOLCANIC GLOB OF GOOD HAS NOT YET BEEN PROVEN, THOUGH EXPERIMENTS HAVE SHOWN AMINO ACIDS AND PROTEINS CAN FORM FROM SUCH A THING. FOR ALL I KNOW, NOTHING EXISTED BEFORE ME. NOTHING EXISTS NOW. EVERYTHING IS A THEORY.
SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION IS TEH TRUTH!!!
I'll let you slip this one time, but in the future keep your posts
serious. I will delete any future bullshit, and this post if you do it again.
As for your spontaneous combustion comment, I don't see what that has to do with evolution. Spontaneous combustion has been documented, and it is no mystery. [cite=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_combustion_(combustion)]1[/cite]. Please think before posting.
No.
*Insert 60 paragraphs explaining why*.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Genesis Chapter 1)
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
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18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
(Genesis Chapter 2)
Why is it that Chapter one of Genesis states that Animals were created first, then humans(male and female, at the same time) were created?
Chapter 2 then states that Adam was created, then animals, then Eve. It's a major contradiction, there is no explaination for it in the Bible. I brought this up in a debate at NSider(remind me to never debate there again.) when some one tried defending their homophobia by saying that the Bible is perfect and should be followed. They said "it was a mistake". I doubt something "so perfect, and the word of god" would contain such a major error, yet still be so clear on hating people for their preferences... I'm getting a bit off topic, I'll get back to my main point.
The Bible contains many contradictions--it doesn't even try to explain them. Although major errors in the Bible did have some effect on why I became an Atheist, they shouldn't be considered a major reason. I just find it irksome that over a Billion people live by a book with so many contradictory statements.
Also, can anyone tell me what the fuck this means?
Quote4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
All I understood is that there were no people to till the ground to cultivate the crops.
Quote from: Nathan on June 11, 2007, 11:18:33 PM
No.
*Insert 60 paragraphs explaining why*.
As I said to iamhollywood, please put more thought into your replies on this board. This is your only warning.
Quote from: JMV290 on June 11, 2007, 11:20:24 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 11, 2007, 11:18:33 PM
No.
*Insert 60 paragraphs explaining why*.
As I said to iamhollywood, please put more thought into your replies on this board. This is your only warning.
Shut up.
JUST FOR JMV LOL.
I don't believe in god because I don't give a shit about religion.
Quote from: Nathan on June 11, 2007, 11:18:33 PM
No.
*Insert 60 paragraphs explaining why*.
I could fill more than 60 paragraphs why. Also it is that scientifically God really can't exist unless he lives in some unknown planet,or somewhere near the end of space.
Quote from: DecembeR on June 12, 2007, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 11, 2007, 11:18:33 PM
No.
*Insert 60 paragraphs explaining why*.
I could fill more than 60 paragraphs why. Also it is that scientifically God really can't exist unless he lives in some unknown planet,or somewhere near the end of space.
The most interesting theory I've heard is that God exists as Dark Matter and Dark Energy. I don't believe it, but as for theories towards religion I find that one to be the most convincing.
JMV, about the comment about spontaneous combustion and how it does not relate to evolution. In its time, it was the big deal man. The whole concept was that things such as flies spontaneously combusted from a pile of trash. In other words, trash EVOLVED into flies. Of course we know now that the flies were laying eggs in the trash then growing. That has nothing to do with evolution. educate;
post scriptum: Alright, JMV, I'll leave the sarcasm out of here. It's all game now. stealth;
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 12, 2007, 07:08:59 PM
JMV, about the comment about spontaneous combustion and how it does not relate to evolution. In its time, it was the big deal man. The whole concept was that things such as flies spontaneously combusted from a pile of trash. In other words, trash EVOLVED into flies. Of course we know now that the flies were laying eggs in the trash then growing. That has nothing to do with evolution. educate;
Oh, you're using the wrong term. Spontaneous Combustion has to do with fire. You're thinking of abiogenesis.
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 12, 2007, 07:08:59 PM
JMV, about the comment about spontaneous combustion and how it does not relate to evolution. In its time, it was the big deal man. The whole concept was that things such as flies spontaneously combusted from a pile of trash. In other words, trash EVOLVED into flies. Of course we know now that the flies were laying eggs in the trash then growing. That has nothing to do with evolution. educate;
... Spontaneous combustion is when something just bursts into flames. Spontaneous generation is when something comes from nothing. e.g., god and the beginning of the universe.
Quote from: JMV290 on June 12, 2007, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 12, 2007, 07:08:59 PM
JMV, about the comment about spontaneous combustion and how it does not relate to evolution. In its time, it was the big deal man. The whole concept was that things such as flies spontaneously combusted from a pile of trash. In other words, trash EVOLVED into flies. Of course we know now that the flies were laying eggs in the trash then growing. That has nothing to do with evolution. educate;
Oh, you're using the wrong term. Spontaneous Combustion has to do with fire. You're thinking of abiogenesis.
Hmmm. I had always been taught that it was "spontaneous combustion". Maybe I am getting Biology II and Chemistry mixed up. Haha.
Quote from: Lawlz on June 12, 2007, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 12, 2007, 07:08:59 PM
JMV, about the comment about spontaneous combustion and how it does not relate to evolution. In its time, it was the big deal man. The whole concept was that things such as flies spontaneously combusted from a pile of trash. In other words, trash EVOLVED into flies. Of course we know now that the flies were laying eggs in the trash then growing. That has nothing to do with evolution. educate;
... Spontaneous combustion is when something just bursts into flames. Spontaneous generation is when something comes from nothing. e.g., god and the beginning of the universe.
Ahh Yeah, GENERATION. And nice weak shot; I'm glad the extent of your debating has degraded itself to making irrelevent low blows. Care to tell us how you believe the universe was made?
QuoteChapter 2 then states that Adam was created, then animals, then Eve. It's a major contradiction, there is no explaination for it in the Bible. I brought this up in a debate at NSider(remind me to never debate there again.) when some one tried defending their homophobia by saying that the Bible is perfect and should be followed. They said "it was a mistake". I doubt something "so perfect, and the word of god" would contain such a major error, yet still be so clear on hating people for their preferences... I'm getting a bit off topic, I'll get back to my main point.
You are misinterpreting it. By "form" it doesn't mean He "created" them and brought them, it means He gathered all the animals and brought them to Adam. And of course there is no explanation for it, there are tons of places where they use words like that. It's just the translation of the Bible. I'm sure if you compared whatever version you got that from with a different version, they would use different words.
And don't try to debate religion on Nsider. You've probably been told that before, I'm sure. But most people on Nsider who debate like that are not actually devout Christians, they're only playing by the rules that their parents taught them. And it's sad, really, because they aren't actually following God's Word, instead, they are following their parents'.
Quote... Spontaneous combustion is when something just bursts into flames. Spontaneous generation is when something comes from nothing. e.g., god and the beginning of the universe
God did not come from nothing, He has always existed. And He created the universe from His words. But hey, now we're getting back into those things where you have to have faith in it merely to believe it. I understand your case, I just can't explain it to you.
And don't think I'm backing out. I'm just not a Bible-physicist. I've had plenty of debates with people who take theories like evolution and compare them to the Bible, and they're very good. I just don't want to tell you anything that may just be my own way of thinking it through.
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Quote from: Lawlz on June 12, 2007, 07:12:30 PM
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JMV, about the comment about spontaneous combustion and how it does not relate to evolution. In its time, it was the big deal man. The whole concept was that things such as flies spontaneously combusted from a pile of trash. In other words, trash EVOLVED into flies. Of course we know now that the flies were laying eggs in the trash then growing. That has nothing to do with evolution. educate;
... Spontaneous combustion is when something just bursts into flames. Spontaneous generation is when something comes from nothing. e.g., god and the beginning of the universe.
Ahh Yeah, GENERATION. And nice weak shot; I'm glad the extent of your debating has degraded itself to making irrelevent low blows. Care to tell us how you believe the universe was made?
I don't believe he was attempting to get a "low blow". The big bang just happened, it doesn't appear as if there was anything to set it off. That is what he was talking about.
edit: I fucked up the quotes, sorry.
Quote from: sebastian on June 12, 2007, 07:18:19 PM
God did not come from nothing, He has always existed. And He created the universe from His words. But hey, now we're getting back into those things where you have to have faith in it merely to believe it. I understand your case, I just can't explain it to you.
And don't think I'm backing out. I'm just not a Bible-physicist. I've had plenty of debates with people who take theories like evolution and compare them to the Bible, and they're very good. I just don't want to tell you anything that may just be my own way of thinking it through.
Infinity doesn't exist. If something does exist, it has a beginning and end; unless it's an endless loop, which is highly unlikely.
@whatshisface: Both the universe and god supposedly came from nothing. Supporters of theism and the big bang theory say something has always existed. It's rather foolish for a person to say mass and energy can't come from nowhere, yet try to measure the age and extent of the universe. Also, if some being can create a universe, doesn't that mean spontaneous generation is real?
Quote from: JMV290 on June 12, 2007, 07:19:12 PM
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Quote from: Lawlz on June 12, 2007, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 12, 2007, 07:08:59 PM
JMV, about the comment about spontaneous combustion and how it does not relate to evolution. In its time, it was the big deal man. The whole concept was that things such as flies spontaneously combusted from a pile of trash. In other words, trash EVOLVED into flies. Of course we know now that the flies were laying eggs in the trash then growing. That has nothing to do with evolution. educate;
... Spontaneous combustion is when something just bursts into flames. Spontaneous generation is when something comes from nothing. e.g., god and the beginning of the universe.
Ahh Yeah, GENERATION. And nice weak shot; I'm glad the extent of your debating has degraded itself to making irrelevent low blows. Care to tell us how you believe the universe was made?
I don't believe he was attempting to get a "low blow". The big bang just happened, it doesn't appear as if there was anything to set it off. That is what he was talking about.
edit: I fucked up the quotes, sorry.
Actually, there are tons of theories of how the big bang happened. One of the most-known is that there were tons of gasses (or gases, if you like) floating around. And they began to spin and spin and spin, then, in a 1X10^1,000,000/1 chance (which has proven to be completely impossible after 1X10^50), they created everything. But, that was proven wrong, after we learned that some planets spin in another direction than others. And, as it has been proven many times, if one object is spinning in one direction, then splits into many pieces, all the pieces have to be spinning in the same direction. In fact, the big bang theory isn't even considered a theory anymore. Now it's just a thesis, and very few people believe it (if you read evolution books, the authors will even admit that "the beginning of the universe cannot be explained").
QuoteIt's rather foolish for a person to say mass and energy can't come from nowhere,
Then I guess my above paragraph was not needed. :P
Quotef something does exist, it has a beginning and end; unless it's an endless loop, which is highly unlikely.
At the risk of sounding biased, who said God had to be scientifically explained? Like I said, it takes faith to even begin to believe it. Which is why I usually don't participate in these debates.
Quote from: sebastian on June 12, 2007, 07:31:56 PM
At the risk of sounding biased, who said God had to be scientifically explained? Like I said, it takes faith to even begin to believe it. Which is why I usually don't participate in these debates.
Pastafarianism is supported by science, and it also relies on faith.
Seriously. Think. Scientifically, GOD IS NOT REAL. BELIEVE IT.
Quote from: DecembeR on June 12, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Seriously. Think. Scientifically, GOD IS NOT REAL. BELIEVE IT.
Only scientifically. educate;
Religiously, GOD IS REAL, BELIEVE IT.
Quote from: DecembeR on June 12, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Seriously. Think. Scientifically, GOD IS NOT REAL. BELIEVE IT.
That is an ignorant statement. You don't even know what you mean by "scientifically". Evolution can not be proven by science. So i guess EVOLUTION ISN'T REAL. BELIEVE IT. For something to be scientifically backed, you have to go through the scientific process. First off, YOU CAN NOT USE THE SCIENTIFIC PROCESS ON AN ENTITY.
Quote from: Original_MIB on June 12, 2007, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: DecembeR on June 12, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Seriously. Think. Scientifically, GOD IS NOT REAL. BELIEVE IT.
Only scientifically. educate;
Religiously, GOD IS REAL, BELIEVE IT.
Religion only serves to raise people to have good morals. Nothing wrong with that, but fables aren't real.
Not only do I not believe in god, but I think that the idea of a god is pretty funny. People need to learn to accept that we don't know everything and stop making things up just to satisfy their curiosity.
Quote from: Lawlz on June 12, 2007, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on June 12, 2007, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: DecembeR on June 12, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Seriously. Think. Scientifically, GOD IS NOT REAL. BELIEVE IT.
Only scientifically. educate;
Religiously, GOD IS REAL, BELIEVE IT.
Religion only serves to raise people to have good morals. Nothing wrong with that, but fables aren't real.
Unless you believe with other billions of people that have the same belief that there is a God.
Quote from: Original_MIB on June 12, 2007, 09:05:12 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on June 12, 2007, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on June 12, 2007, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: DecembeR on June 12, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Seriously. Think. Scientifically, GOD IS NOT REAL. BELIEVE IT.
Only scientifically. educate;
Religiously, GOD IS REAL, BELIEVE IT.
Religion only serves to raise people to have good morals. Nothing wrong with that, but fables aren't real.
Unless you believe with other billions of people that have the same belief that there is a God.
There are billions of nonreligious people and non-theists. Where are they most concentrated? Asia. What area has the highest standards for education? East Asia.
Quote from: Lawlz on June 12, 2007, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on June 12, 2007, 09:05:12 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on June 12, 2007, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on June 12, 2007, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: DecembeR on June 12, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Seriously. Think. Scientifically, GOD IS NOT REAL. BELIEVE IT.
Only scientifically. educate;
Religiously, GOD IS REAL, BELIEVE IT.
Religion only serves to raise people to have good morals. Nothing wrong with that, but fables aren't real.
Unless you believe with other billions of people that have the same belief that there is a God.
There are billions of nonreligious people and non-theists. Where are they most concentrated? Asia. What area has the highest standards for education? East Asia.
Which place has the highest concentration of Communism? Which place has the highest concentration of sweat shops? East Asia.
Quote from: Iony on June 12, 2007, 08:46:29 PM
Not only do I not believe in god, but I think that the idea of a god is pretty funny. People need to learn to accept that we don't know everything and stop making things up just to satisfy their curiosity.
Since Atheists
totally do not try to satisfy their curisioty with theories like evolution and how the universe came to be.
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 13, 2007, 01:33:43 PM
Which place has the highest concentration of Communism? Which place has the highest concentration of sweat shops? East Asia.
You're saying that like it's a bad thing. santa;
Quote from: Original_MIB on June 12, 2007, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: DecembeR on June 12, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Seriously. Think. Scientifically, GOD IS NOT REAL. BELIEVE IT.
Only scientifically. educate;
Religiously, GOD IS REAL, BELIEVE IT.
That's just how much lying has been put in you. Is something scientific more likely to happen or something depending on luck, faith, beliefs and lies?
Quote from: DecembeR on June 13, 2007, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on June 12, 2007, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: DecembeR on June 12, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Seriously. Think. Scientifically, GOD IS NOT REAL. BELIEVE IT.
Only scientifically. educate;
Religiously, GOD IS REAL, BELIEVE IT.
That's just how much lying has been put in you. Is something scientific more likely to happen or something depending on luck, faith, beliefs and lies?
Science is only today's religion. The only reason so many people do not believe God exists today is because it is not so widely-expressed as it was, say, in 20 A.D. I'm sure, had you lived in those days, you wouldn't have a doubt in your heart that God existed. People have just focused on science so much that it has become their god, in a sense.
And excuse my bluntness, but the more I here such biased replies trashing religion and promoting science, the less I want to believe it. You put so much faith in science, that even when someone tries to say something to you about God, all you can do is rebuke them for putting faith in what they believe in. And don't think that I'm saying science is all built on lies and beliefs, I'm just saying most replies I've seen so far have been so generalized and biased that you cannot even try to reply to them without doing the exact same thing. Give me some actual facts, not just the same "God doesn't exist" reply I've been reading so much.
Quote from: sebastian on June 13, 2007, 09:30:19 PM
Science is only today's religion. The only reason so many people do not believe God exists today is because it is not so widely-expressed as it was, say, in 20 A.D. I'm sure, had you lived in those days, you wouldn't have a doubt in your heart that God existed. People have just focused on science so much that it has become their god, in a sense.
In 20 A.D. you'd be crucified Jesus style if you said God didn't exist. Of course you wouldn't have a doubt, you'd be murdered by the government if you did.
Quote from: JMV290 on June 13, 2007, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: sebastian on June 13, 2007, 09:30:19 PM
Science is only today's religion. The only reason so many people do not believe God exists today is because it is not so widely-expressed as it was, say, in 20 A.D. I'm sure, had you lived in those days, you wouldn't have a doubt in your heart that God existed. People have just focused on science so much that it has become their god, in a sense.
In 20 A.D. you'd be crucified Jesus style if you said God didn't exist. Of course you wouldn't have a doubt, you'd be murdered by the government if you did.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. You obviously have NEVER taken any kind of world history, young man. Shortly after Christ's crucifixion with the rise of Christianity, Nero became the ruler of Rome--which for those of you that don't know, that was THE WHOLE WORLD at that time--. So Nero was one of the most anti-christian people ever. He would have parties and light them with crucified Christians lit on fire (the Christian would be in the process of being crucified, and they would then proceed to light the crucifix on fire). That was one of the most dangerous time to be a Christian. All twelve (except John) Apostles where martyred because they followed Christ. Andrew (maybe it was peter) was crucified UPSIDE-DOWN, John the Baptist was beheaded and had his head served on a silver platter. Son, you were not crucified in 20 A.D. if you said God didn't exist. At that time, they wanted you to believe the emperor was god.
And for those of you that are going to try to debate what I just said. Don't make youself look stupid. I am not debating anything here.
THIS IS HISTORY. THIS ISN'T JUST FROM THE BIBLE. THIS IS FROM HISTORY BOOKS, AND ALL SORTS OF TEXTS OF THAT TIME.
Sup, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Mercury...?
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 13, 2007, 10:30:36 PM
At that time, they wanted you to believe the emperor was god.
If the emperor was viewed as god, and people that didn't share that belief, then JMV said nothing wrong.
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 13, 2007, 10:30:36 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. You obviously have NEVER taken any kind of world history, young man. Shortly after Christ's crucifixion with the rise of Christianity, Nero became the ruler of Rome--which for those of you that don't know, that was THE WHOLE WORLD at that time--. So Nero was one of the most anti-christian people ever. He would have parties and light them with crucified Christians lit on fire (the Christian would be in the process of being crucified, and they would then proceed to light the crucifix on fire). That was one of the most dangerous time to be a Christian. All twelve (except John) Apostles where martyred because they followed Christ. Andrew (maybe it was peter) was crucified UPSIDE-DOWN, John the Baptist was beheaded and had his head served on a silver platter. Son, you were not crucified in 20 A.D. if you said God didn't exist. At that time, they wanted you to believe the emperor was god.
And for those of you that are going to try to debate what I just said. Don't make youself look stupid. I am not debating anything here. THIS IS HISTORY. THIS ISN'T JUST FROM THE BIBLE. THIS IS FROM HISTORY BOOKS, AND ALL SORTS OF TEXTS OF THAT TIME.
I obviously have. Christ was still alive in 20 A.D. He died when he was 33, he was born 4BC-4AD.
Nero wasn't born until 37AD
Quote from: JMV290 on June 13, 2007, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 13, 2007, 10:30:36 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. You obviously have NEVER taken any kind of world history, young man. Shortly after Christ's crucifixion with the rise of Christianity, Nero became the ruler of Rome--which for those of you that don't know, that was THE WHOLE WORLD at that time--. So Nero was one of the most anti-christian people ever. He would have parties and light them with crucified Christians lit on fire (the Christian would be in the process of being crucified, and they would then proceed to light the crucifix on fire). That was one of the most dangerous time to be a Christian. All twelve (except John) Apostles where martyred because they followed Christ. Andrew (maybe it was peter) was crucified UPSIDE-DOWN, John the Baptist was beheaded and had his head served on a silver platter. Son, you were not crucified in 20 A.D. if you said God didn't exist. At that time, they wanted you to believe the emperor was god.
And for those of you that are going to try to debate what I just said. Don't make youself look stupid. I am not debating anything here. THIS IS HISTORY. THIS ISN'T JUST FROM THE BIBLE. THIS IS FROM HISTORY BOOKS, AND ALL SORTS OF TEXTS OF THAT TIME.
I obviously have. Christ was still alive in 20 A.D. He died when he was 33, he was born 4BC-4AD.
Nero wasn't born until 37AD
I didn't say immediately. But that does not void my point. The rulers before Nero were Christian persecutors as well. i.e. John the Baptist being beheaded.
post scriptum: Technically you wouldn't be crucified Jesus-style in 20 A.D. seeing as how Christ wouldn't be crucified for another nine to thirteen years later.
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 14, 2007, 11:30:30 PM
post scriptum: Technically you wouldn't be crucified Jesus-style in 20 A.D. seeing as how Christ wouldn't be crucified for another nine to thirteen years later.
He wasn't the first person to be crucified on the cross. It had existed for years before he was born.
Jesus was crucified for Blasphemy, although he wasn't questioning God's existence, he was questioning the religion of the time.
After Christianity gained power it was the atheists and those who challenged the power of the church with science that were persecuted. It's the same thing. Questioning the religious beliefs enforced at the times could result in your death. Of course the people wouldn't question Christianity(as said in your post several posts earlier)
Quote from: JMV290 on June 14, 2007, 11:39:44 PM
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 14, 2007, 11:30:30 PM
post scriptum: Technically you wouldn't be crucified Jesus-style in 20 A.D. seeing as how Christ wouldn't be crucified for another nine to thirteen years later.
He wasn't the first person to be crucified on the cross. It had existed for years before he was born.
Jesus was crucified for Blasphemy, although he wasn't questioning God's existence, he was questioning the religion of the time.
After Christianity gained power it was the atheists and those who challenged the power of the church with science that were persecuted. It's the same thing. Questioning the religious beliefs enforced at the times could result in your death. Of course the people wouldn't question Christianity(as said in your post several posts earlier)
That wasn't the purpose of my P.S. I was saying, if you were crucified in 20 A.D. it wouldn't be "Jesus-style". I don't doubt people were crucified in 20 A.D. It was their weapon of choice. And I agree with you, after the switch in power people were being persecuted for going against The Church (The Roman Catholic). That is wrong. The whole concept of being a Christian is built around choice. You choose to accept Christ as your Savior. The father of Protestantism (that is probably not the right word, but you understand the point) Martin Luther was excommunicated from The Church--which was the world power at that time--for having differing beliefs. He wasn't even denying God; he was disagreeing with The Church. Things should not be like that. Anyways, I'm sure you already knew this, JMV. This isn't really a point of debate. I'm just informing others.
Everything goes against each other, but I still think the things about how god is fake sounds more believable than angels knocking on Mary's door telling her she was raped and is now pregnant.
Quote from: DecembeR on June 21, 2007, 05:37:33 PM
Everything goes against each other, but I still think the things about how god is fake sounds more believable than angels knocking on Mary's door telling her she was raped and is now pregnant.
I'm glad you solved the mystery of why atheists always argue
against Christians. You my friend are a genius.
No one said the Bible was believable. If God was mundane and ordinary, maybe what you call "BELIEVABLE", I wouldn't want to worship Him.
post scriptum: Mary wasn't RAPED. Try reading the Bible sometime before you come to false conclusions.
Quote from: James on June 13, 2007, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: sebastian on June 13, 2007, 09:30:19 PM
Science is only today's religion. The only reason so many people do not believe God exists today is because it is not so widely-expressed as it was, say, in 20 A.D. I'm sure, had you lived in those days, you wouldn't have a doubt in your heart that God existed. People have just focused on science so much that it has become their god, in a sense.
In 20 A.D. you'd be crucified Jesus style if you said God didn't exist. Of course you wouldn't have a doubt, you'd be murdered by the government if you did.
No you wouldn't... The Romans did the crucifying, and they wouldn't care enough to crucify everyone who said that, especially considering that they did not believe in monotheism themselves... You might be stoned to death by the pharisees, but that's another story navi;
And people are pathetic when it comes to beliefs... the majority, religious or atheist, always seems to opress the minorities. For example, communist countries (atheist) sure aren't very accepting of the religious...
I myself believe in God, and I don't really see any point in arguing it (although I will because I'm a stubborn a**hole). It can't be proven one way or the other, and going the "scientific" route is just stupid. Not everything can be proven scientifically. Hell, just look at sports... the best overall team does not always win... Not everything in life can be figured out with equations...
Finally, I just want to say anyone who denies Jesus' existance is retarded, since there's proof he lived...
I'm not sure. :(
No.
No, I don't.
I believe in Guff/God.
Yes, i'm catholic.
I believe in God. Who do you think made this world? Who made living things? How do you explain Jesus?
Quote from: Gitominoti on July 15, 2007, 05:05:26 AM
How do you explain Jesus?
He was a guy who may or may not have existed but didn't perform miracles as the Bible says?
Quote from: Gitominoti on July 15, 2007, 05:05:26 AM
How do you explain Jesus?
How do you explain Captain Ahab?
Quote from: Gitominoti on July 15, 2007, 05:05:26 AM
I believe in God. Who do you think made this world? Who made living things? How do you explain Jesus?
Jesus was a normal person? He preached peace but he was no different from a person like Gandhi.
Quote from: JMV290 on July 15, 2007, 11:34:20 AM
Jesus was a normal person? He preached peace but he was no different from a person like Gandhi.
BUT PPL SEZ HE WALK ON WATIR :|: |: |: |:|:| :|:| :| :| :| :|:|:|: |:| :
... We may as well delete these fucking threads as half you assholes aren't mature enough to argue without insulting the other person instead of trying to persuade them.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 19, 2007, 06:22:11 PM
... We may as well delete these fucking threads as half you assholes aren't mature enough to argue without insulting the other person instead of trying to persuade them.
Persuading a person with devout "faith" in anything is impossible. psyduck;
Quote from: Lawlz on July 19, 2007, 06:23:40 PM
Persuading a person with devout "faith" in anything is impossible. psyduck;
Yeah, but I've seen athiests swing to religion and vice versa. If their beliefs are strong, no they won't be swayed, but the point is to persuade those who are on the fence.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 19, 2007, 06:25:28 PM
Yeah, but I've seen athiests swing to religion and vice versa.
You've seen religion swing to atheists?
Yes, I believe in God, and no, I can't explain any of it. I simply believe in Him because it's the way I was raised. There's no sense in trying to use logic when pronouncing your faith. I believe because I was made to believe, and I doubt that'll change due to the one of the simplest pieces of Psychology: cognitive anchors.
Quote from: Chelzey on July 19, 2007, 09:00:57 PM
Yes, I believe in God, and no, I can't explain any of it. I simply believe in Him because it's the way I was raised. There's no sense in trying to use logic when pronouncing your faith. I believe because I was made to believe, and I doubt that'll change due to the one of the simplest pieces of Psychology: cognitive anchors.
So we should all just believe whatever someone tells us as a child just because?
You must still believe in the boogie monster, the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, and the easter bunny, I presume?
Quote from: Lawlz on July 19, 2007, 11:08:56 PM
So we should all just believe whatever someone tells us as a child just because?
You must still believe in the boogie monster, the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, and the easter bunny, I presume?
It's more that I don't particularly care to bother getting rid of my old beliefs, so they're still there. I suppose the way I should phrase this is that I do believe in God, but I don't entirely know why, and I suppose it's just because of an old belief that still exists in my "heart," as some would call it.
It's rather difficult for me to explain. Sorta like hating wild rice even though you haven't tried it since you were 4 and you hated it then? Bad example, probably.
No.
Quote from: Chelzey on July 19, 2007, 11:12:01 PM
It's more that I don't particularly care to bother getting rid of my old beliefs, so they're still there. I suppose the way I should phrase this is that I do believe in God, but I don't entirely know why, and I suppose it's just because of an old belief that still exists in my "heart," as some would call it.
It's rather difficult for me to explain. Sorta like hating wild rice even though you haven't tried it since you were 4 and you hated it then? Bad example, probably.
Is this supposed to justify your beliefs?
Quote from: Houdini on July 20, 2007, 11:45:53 AM
Is this supposed to justify your beliefs?
I'm pretty sure she's just trying to say in all that rambling that she believes deep down that He exists, but she can't explain why. So she blames cognitive anchors for it.
Quote from: Kaz on July 20, 2007, 11:49:48 AM
I'm pretty sure she's just trying to say in all that rambling that she believes deep down that He exists, but she can't explain why. So she blames cognitive anchors for it.
It's like cheese on a vegan burrito with moonlight on Vermont. You know?
Quote from: Lawlz on July 20, 2007, 11:51:52 AM
It's like cheese on a vegan burrito with moonlight on Vermont. You know?
Oh yeah, absolutely. Hand me the pipe, man, I need another hit.
Yea I believe in God.
Yes, I believe in God.
I = Godless :)
No, I don't. It's a fairy tale, like elves, unicorns, and pixies. If you believe in them, good for you. Just don't force me to believe in them, too.
Not sure, no one really is sure to be exact. But my parents told me that I could believe what I wanted to because in america you can. My grammy is a full blown christian but I'v never really listened to her preaching. I always wonder if there is a god and other shit like that, but I'v never really set my mind on it. Its good to dream, but setting your mind on if there is and if there isn't a god is just plain bull shit psyduck;
And besides, this is American, the great country of pimps, whores and Bill Gates. But pushing a belief that is not proven is corrupt and gay. People think they need religion only to lead their lives because they can't just say "I don't know, but until we do I'll have an Ultimate Cheese Burger large combo" and go and dream. Religion stops people from dreaming and wanted to know the truth. We need to dream, and we all do. Dreaming about why we are here, where we are at and who are we is the greatest thing a human can do because it gives us the power to be ourselves, WE NEED TO DREAM. Our minds have no end to what we can create but religion stops that, and people die and give money to it like if they don't they will go to a non-existent hell. Its nice to think that after a lot of hard work in this crazy world of ours is going to result in us going to heaven. But we cannot prove that so me might as well have sex, eat a Jack in the Box and indulge our minds with porn because we have no idea what lies ahead, it could be nothing. Its nice to dream and think it will come true, it might, nice thing to dream about.
In short, got might or might not exist. But we should enjoy our lives now before we die because we don't know the trails we will bear ahead. Thank you, goodnight
Quote from: Enclosed on August 19, 2007, 02:54:32 PM
No, I don't. It's a fairy tale, like elves, unicorns, and pixies. If you believe in them, good for you. Just don't force me to believe in them, too.
IAWTP
Quote from: Zack777 on August 20, 2007, 01:28:27 AM
And besides, this is American, the great country of pimps, whores and Bill Gates. But pushing a belief that is not proven is corrupt and gay. People think they need religion only to lead their lives because they can't just say "I don't know, but until we do I'll have an Ultimate Cheese Burger large combo" and go and dream. Religion stops people from dreaming and wanted to know the truth. We need to dream, and we all do. Dreaming about why we are here, where we are at and who are we is the greatest thing a human can do because it gives us the power to be ourselves, WE NEED TO DREAM. Our minds have no end to what we can create but religion stops that, and people die and give money to it like if they don't they will go to a non-existent hell. Its nice to think that after a lot of hard work in this crazy world of ours is going to result in us going to heaven. But we cannot prove that so me might as well have sex, eat a Jack in the Box and indulge our minds with porn because we have no idea what lies ahead, it could be nothing. Its nice to dream and think it will come true, it might, nice thing to dream about.
In short, got might or might not exist. But we should enjoy our lives now before we die because we don't know the trails we will bear ahead. Thank you, goodnight
IAWTPOTPA
Quote from: Zack777 on August 20, 2007, 02:31:35 AM
wut?
Acronym Finder (http://acronymfinder.com)
Second one is I Agree With This Part Of This Post. Not expecting anyone to understand it at all, since it doesn't exist.
Not really.
Yes, I do. I also believe in Jesus Christ. I know that he was real, although I don't quite know if what the bible all said about him was true. Sure, he did some interesting things, but were they real? I still can't tell.
Quote from: ThingPownin on August 21, 2007, 04:48:35 PM
I also know believe in Jesus Christ.
lol
QuoteI know that he was real
lol
Quote from: ThingPownin on August 21, 2007, 04:55:43 PM
Wow...I truely screwed that up...
It wasn't the grammatical errors I lol'd at.
Quote from: V on August 21, 2007, 05:02:26 PM
HE DOESN'T THINK GOD IS REAL.
There is the slim possibility of some sort of deity, certainly not the one Christians whipped up, but Jesus?
lol
Quote from: Lawlz on August 21, 2007, 05:04:56 PM
There is the slim possibility of some sort of deity, certainly not the one Christians whipped up, but Jesus?
lol
As a divine figure, hell no. There is no God so it's not possible for anything divine to exist.
There was nothing special about Jesus, except that he was remembered throughout history and the cult following him saw it fit to transform him into a god like entity and pass that off as fact. He may have been a good man but there was nothing different about him.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 05:10:29 PM
As a divine figure, hell no. There is no God so it's not possible for anything divine to exist.
There was nothing special about Jesus, except that he was remembered throughout history and the cult following him saw it fit to transform him into a god like entity and pass that off as fact. He may have been a good man but there was nothing different about him.
Or he may not have existed at all.
cool
Quote from: Lawlz on August 21, 2007, 05:14:09 PM
Or he may not have existed at all.
cool
That's a possibility too.
Jesus existed. That is a historical fact.
Quote from: ThingPownin on August 21, 2007, 05:37:14 PM
Jesus existed. That is a historical fact.
What sources back that up?
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 21, 2007, 05:40:14 PM
What sources back that up?
Josephu-- o wait nvm lol forgery.
Quote from: V on August 21, 2007, 01:08:13 PM
Elaborate.
I'm a religious-agnostic hedonist... I believe that something had to create life, but then evolution took over.
I fight with myself for the answer to these questions.
I think there is a higher power then us, maybe not a "god," but just something that controls every aspect of our life. I feel our lives are already planned out for us anyway, we just follow the path.
Then for the Hedonistic part, the thought of religion doesn't concern me, I like and dislike religion (in general) for many reasons, so I am just living life to be happy, and not too please any "god," or anything like that.
Enough elaboration?
Quote from: strakt on August 21, 2007, 06:00:06 PM
I'm a religious-agnostic hedonist... I believe that something had to create life, but then evolution took over.
I fight with myself for the answer to these questions.
I think there is a higher power then us, maybe not a "god," but just something that controls every aspect of our life. I feel our lives are already planned out for us anyway, we just follow the path.
Then for the Hedonistic part, the thought of religion doesn't concern me, I like and dislike religion (in general) for many reasons, so I am just living life to be happy, and not too please any "god," or anything like that.
Enough elaboration?
Yes, thank you. We encourage more than a two word reply when in serious discussion, unlike your first post. flower;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 21, 2007, 05:04:56 PM
There is the slim possibility of some sort of deity, certainly not the one Christians whipped up, but Jesus?
lol
You're such a dumbass.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 06:10:42 PM
Roman records edumacate;
They also have records of Romulus and Remus.
Quote from: ThingPownin on August 21, 2007, 05:37:14 PM
Jesus existed. That is a historical fact.
He may have existed, but did he actually cure people and all that stuff?
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 06:13:46 PM
They also have records of Romulus and Remus.
well, w/e history's fucked up. whatcha gonna do? You could use that argument to disprove half the ancient world if you wanted to.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 06:19:47 PM
well, w/e history's fucked up. whatcha gonna do? You could use that argument to disprove half the ancient world if you wanted to.
No, most things are documented by several different cultures, and there is archaeological evidence to support it.
What cites the existence of Jesus?
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 06:24:26 PM
No, most things are documented by several different cultures, and there is archaeological evidence to support it.
What cites the existence of Jesus?
The bible.
lol.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 06:24:26 PM
No, most things are documented by several different cultures, and there is archaeological evidence to support it.
What cites the existence of Jesus?
If he was just made up, why would Muslims and Jews bother to cite his existance?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 06:32:46 PM
If he was just made up, why would Muslims and Jews bother to cite his existance?
The Jews don't recognize Jesus as the messiah, and some even say that he didn't even exist. Muslims only recognize him as a prophet.
Religions tend to borrow things from older religions and Christianity is older than Islam. It's going to share similar elements.
Watch part one of Zeitgeist, it provides plenty of examples of where religions borrow things from older religions.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 06:59:54 PM
The Jews don't recognize Jesus as the messiah, and some even say that he didn't even exist. Muslims only recognize him as a prophet.
Religions tend to borrow things from older religions and Christianity is older than Islam. It's going to share similar elements.
Watch part one of Zeitgeist, it provides plenty of examples of where religions borrow things from older religions.
I never said that either the Jews or the Muslims recognized him as the Messiah.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 07:02:52 PM
I never said that either the Jews or the Muslims recognized him as the Messiah.
But you did try citing religions at credible sources.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 07:09:32 PM
But you did try citing religions at credible sources.
So what? All of history's documents contain a biased account of what really happened.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 07:22:49 PM
So what? All of history's documents contain a biased account of what really happened.
Yes, bias, not complete fabrications.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 07:27:22 PM
Yes, bias, not complete fabrications.
How do you know? You weren't there.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 07:29:28 PM
How do you know? You weren't there.
I wasn't there during the holocaust either.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 07:31:26 PM
I wasn't there during the holocaust either.
That's not even close to the same as ancient history.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 07:37:21 PM
That's not even close to the same as ancient history.
Okay then, the Colosseum never existed as an arena.
I'm not sure, but I'm starting to.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 07:41:01 PM
Okay then, the Colosseum never existed as an arena.
There's physical evidence to support that it was... Besides, there's nothing even controversial about that.
Quote from: Princess on August 21, 2007, 07:45:19 PM
I'm not sure, but I'm starting to.
YOU ALSO BELIEVE ANYONE OF MIDDLE EASTERN DESCENT, SUCH AS ZAYNA, ARE EVIL PEOPLE THAT LIVE JUST TO DESTROY AMERICAN "FREEDOM."
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 07:51:03 PM
There's physical evidence to support that it was... Besides, there's nothing even controversial about that.
cool
Now how about some physical evidence to support the existence of Jesus.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 21, 2007, 07:51:56 PM
YOU ALSO BELIEVE ANYONE OF MIDDLE EASTERN DESCENT, SUCH AS ZAYNA, ARE EVIL PEOPLE THAT LIVE JUST TO DESTROY AMERICAN "FREEDOM."cool
Now how about some physical evidence to support the existence of Jesus.
The fact that Jews in general accept his existance doesn't sway you guys huh?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 07:55:25 PM
The fact that Jews in general accept his existance doesn't sway you guys huh?
Greeks said the universe came from an egg.
CLEARLY, THIS IS TRUE SINCE THEY ARE VIEWED AS ONE OF THE GREATEST CIVILIZATIONS EVER.
What have Jews ever done?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 07:55:25 PM
The fact that Jews in general accept his existance doesn't sway you guys huh?
Jews also accept existence of God, that doesn't sway me.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 08:00:15 PM
Jews also accept existence of God, that doesn't sway me.
*sigh* all the people who surrounded him were Jewish (or Roman)
the fact that they're religious automatically discredits their ability to narrate historical facts?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 08:01:56 PM
*sigh* all the people who surrounded him were Jewish (or Roman)
the fact that they're religious automatically discredits their ability to narrate historical facts?
When it comes to religious figures, yes.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 21, 2007, 08:02:46 PM
When it comes to religious figures, yes.
Ugh... I'm trying to prove him historically not spiritually.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 21, 2007, 08:06:38 PM
Ugh... I'm trying to prove him historically not spiritually.
Then use historical sources, not religious ones.
I have to agree with JMV here:
Fast forward through intro, watch it.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Quote from: TheExAm on August 21, 2007, 11:48:42 PM
I have to agree with JMV here:
Fast forward through intro, watch it.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
I embedded zeitgeist into a thread here.
http://valentrinne.com/boyah/index.php?topic=11147.0 educate;
It's a 2 hour video, but it's a great video. He would only have to watch the first half hour though.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 22, 2007, 12:02:27 AM
I embedded zeitgeist into a thread here.
http://valentrinne.com/boyah/index.php?topic=11147.0 educate;
It's a 2 hour video, but it's a great video. He would only have to watch the first half hour though.
Yes, I posted that link while the religious part was still on. It's also a 9/11 conspiracy video. Extremely convincing, though. Shaken my already frail faith in our government.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 21, 2007, 07:51:56 PM
YOU ALSO BELIEVE ANYONE OF MIDDLE EASTERN DESCENT, SUCH AS ZAYNA, ARE EVIL PEOPLE THAT LIVE JUST TO DESTROY AMERICAN "FREEDOM."cool
No I dont. psyduck;
I'm afraid if there is a hell I dont want to go there. So it cant hurt to believe.
Quote from: Princess on August 22, 2007, 12:41:00 AM
No I dont. psyduck;
I'm afraid if their is a hell I dont want to go there. So it cant hurt to believe.
Well, maybe hell isn't that bad
Quote from: Zack777 on August 22, 2007, 12:43:16 AM
Well, maybe hell isn't that bad
Well, heaven sounds better in my opinion.
Quote from: TheExAm on August 22, 2007, 12:23:16 AM
Yes, I posted that link while the religious part was still on. It's also a 9/11 conspiracy video. Extremely convincing, though. Shaken my already frail faith in our government.
Well, I doubt Bush or "the government" had anything directly to do with the attacks, but rather certain people within the government and armed services.
Through indirect actions, yes the US was responsible. They trained the many people in Al Qaeda, their actions caused Osama Bin Laden to gain influence. The government caused a lot of the issues that lead up to the attacks.
Bush is an idiot, he isn't capable of planning such an attack. Certain members of his cabinet and Cheney, yes they are purely capable of it and I wouldn't put it past them. All it takes is some manipulation and you get whatever you want. I'm sure that he was convinced that if he went along he would be able to go after Saddam, thus completing his own agenda. He went along with it, he knew what was going on but he wasn't anywhere near the mastermind of it.
Nothing is certain though, that's only what I believe. I'll stop there because that's not really the subject of this thread.
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 22, 2007, 12:44:10 AM
Well, heaven sounds better in my opinion.
But in heaven there are no hookers or beer!
Quote from: Princess on August 22, 2007, 12:44:10 AM
Well, heaven sounds better in my opinion.
Lying to yourself and forcing yourself into a belief that you don't really have full faith in is no way to live. Your religion doesn't matter. If I'm wrong about everything and God exists I have nothing to worry about, I did nothing wrong. I'm not the one who scares people into believing in him with threats of eternal damnation in Hell.
And even if God does exist, how can you be sure that you're following the right religion? You could be forcing yourself to believe a lie, just to end up in Hell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven Take a look at that. Many different religions have different beliefs on what exactly gets you into heaven.
I'm going to do what I think is right because I think it's right. Not what some deity who may or may not even exist defines as being right. I'll be a good person. Chances are, that places me in a better place than hypocritical Christians who only preach the word of God, but fail to act on it.
If I go to Hell, oh well. If I go to Heaven, cool. If Enlil, Enki, Krishna, Vishnu, Horus, or Osiris are actual Gods, oh well.
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 22, 2007, 12:41:00 AM
No I dont. psyduck;
I'm afraid if there is a hell I dont want to go there. So it cant hurt to believe.
A sand negro could also blow up your home. Can't hurt to to believe they all are terrorists and save your ass.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 22, 2007, 03:12:10 AM
A sand negro could also blow up your home. Can't hurt to to believe they all are terrorists and save your ass.
Well said, 'nuff said.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 22, 2007, 07:42:06 AM
In hell there's no iMacs spam;
So, I don't mind using windows for the rest of eternity thanks to ?emulation?
Quote from: Rodrigo Fiorentini on August 21, 2007, 08:14:40 PM
Then use historical sources, not religious ones.
Then do you believe most of the facts from the Middle Ages?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 22, 2007, 07:48:49 AM
Then do you believe most of the facts from the Middle Ages?
Yes, because you even said they are facts.
Quote from: Rodrigo Fiorentini on August 22, 2007, 08:51:42 AM
Yes, because you even said they are facts.
Yes, but according to you, since they were submitted by religious people, they are not facts.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 22, 2007, 11:13:26 AM
Yes, but according to you, since they were submitted by religious people, they are not facts.
Are you an idiot? I never once said that you can't trust religious people with historical facts. psyduck;
Read what I said again.
Quote from: Rodrigo Fiorentini on August 21, 2007, 08:02:46 PM
When it comes to religious figures, yes.
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 22, 2007, 12:41:00 AM
So it cant hurt to believe.
Why stick solely to Christianity, then?
Wouldn't want to get on Thor's bad side, would you?
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 22, 2007, 12:17:05 PM
Why stick solely to Christianity, then?
Wouldn't want to get on Thor's bad side, would you?
Fuck Thor. I want to please Quetzalcoatl so I can have a pleasant stay in Xibalba.
You guys better think twice about what you're saying. If you get on Zeus's bad side, next thing you know Charon will be rowing you down the Styx into Hades.
Quote from: Toast on August 22, 2007, 12:47:46 PM
You guys better think twice about what you're saying. If you get on Zeus's bad side, next thing you know Charon will be rowing you down the Styx into Hades.
I SHALL DRINK FROM THE TEATS OF THE COW GODDESS HATHOR AS I DESCEND INTO OBLIVION argh;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 22, 2007, 12:57:36 PM
I SHALL DRINK FROM THE TEATS OF THE COW GODDESS HATHOR AS I DESCEND INTO OBLIVION argh;
But then Allah won't let you fuck virgins in heaven.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 22, 2007, 03:12:10 AM
A sand negro could also blow up your home. Can't hurt to to believe they all are terrorists and save your ass.
My new best friend is a "sand negro". And so could anyone else. So I might as well hate myself because I am capable to blow things up. psyduck;
Quote from: Rodrigo Fiorentini on August 22, 2007, 01:06:15 AM
Lying to yourself and forcing yourself into a belief that you don't really have full faith in is no way to live. Your religion doesn't matter. If I'm wrong about everything and God exists I have nothing to worry about, I did nothing wrong. I'm not the one who scares people into believing in him with threats of eternal damnation in Hell.
And even if God does exist, how can you be sure that you're following the right religion? You could be forcing yourself to believe a lie, just to end up in Hell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven Take a look at that. Many different religions have different beliefs on what exactly gets you into heaven.
I'm going to do what I think is right because I think it's right. Not what some deity who may or may not even exist defines as being right. I'll be a good person. Chances are, that places me in a better place than hypocritical Christians who only preach the word of God, but fail to act on it.
If I go to Hell, oh well. If I go to Heaven, cool. If Enlil, Enki, Krishna, Vishnu, Horus, or Osiris are actual Gods, oh well.
True. What I dont get is how come everyone says the Bible is true, but I've never been given any proof that it is. I've never been told anything serious my whole life so dont think I'm a complete idiot if their is proof.
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 22, 2007, 07:28:24 PM
True. What I dont get is how come everyone says the Bible is true, but I've never been given any proof that it is. I've never been told anything serious my whole life so dont think I'm a complete idiot if their is proof.
Uh, can I still think you're a complete idiot?
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 23, 2007, 03:36:50 PM
Uh, can I still think you're a complete idiot?
So their isnt proof? My teachers said the Bible is proof.
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 24, 2007, 12:23:03 AM
So their isnt proof? My teachers said the Bible is proof.
Your teachers are retards.
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 12:24:59 AM
Your teachers are retards.
I asked how and they said I must have faith in it. And I'm like, but when if it's wrong. They gave me stink eye and said,"You must have faith". Then again Hawaii is the worst state for education.
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 24, 2007, 12:29:49 AM
I asked how and they said I must have faith in it. And I'm like, but when if it's wrong. They gave me stink eye and said,"You must have faith". Then again Hawaii is the worst state for education.
Faith equates to ignorance.
And no, Alabama is as bad as it gets, with Tennessee following pretty close behind it somewhere.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 24, 2007, 03:25:00 AM
Faith equates to ignorance.
And no, Alabama is as bad as it gets, with Tennessee following pretty close behind it somewhere.
That doesn't even make sense :|
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 24, 2007, 12:29:49 AM
I asked how and they said I must have faith in it. And I'm like, but when if it's wrong. They gave me stink eye and said,"You must have faith". Then again Hawaii is the worst state for education.
Please tell me you don't go to a public school.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 06:38:53 AM
That doesn't even make sense :|
Explain. :|
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 24, 2007, 12:23:03 AM
So their isnt proof? My teachers said the Bible is proof.
I'll take that as a yes.
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 24, 2007, 12:23:03 AM
So their isnt proof? My teachers said the Bible is proof.
The Boble is proof that I created the earth and life. (http://www.valentrinne.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Boble)
it sayz its true so it must be.
That is the best comeback I have ever seen.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 24, 2007, 01:48:55 PM
Explain. :|
How does faith = ignorance? It's not a question of intelligence. psyduck; Plenty of smart people have faith in some form of deity, so I don't see how that argument could possibly make sense.
If you're an atheist, you may consider them gullible, but surely not ignorant.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 02:36:43 PM
How does faith = ignorance? It's not a question of intelligence. psyduck; Plenty of smart people have faith in some form of deity, so I don't see how that argument could possibly make sense.
If you're an atheist, you may consider them gullible, but surely not ignorant.
Using faith as the only support for an argument is ignorant. There's no arguing that.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 24, 2007, 02:39:40 PM
Using faith as the only support for an argument is ignorant. There's no arguing that.
No. It's unconvincing, but not ignorant...
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 02:43:06 PM
No. It's unconvincing, but not ignorant...
There's scientific proof that the world is round... BUT IF THE PEOPLE FIND OUT, THEY MAY BEGIN TO QUESTION THEIR RELIGION. THEY MUST HAVE FAITH IN JESUS AND A FLAT EARTH, AND WE MUST DESTROY EVERYONE THAT DARES TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.
Whoops, had a horrible typo there. caterpie;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 24, 2007, 02:45:20 PM
There's scientific proof that the world is round... BUT IF THE PEOPLE FIND OUT, THEY MAY BEGIN TO QUESTION THEIR RELIGION. THEY MUST HAVE FAITH IN JESUS AND A FLAT EARTH, AND WE MUST DESTROY EVERYONE THAT DARES TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.
Whoops, had a horrible typo there. caterpie;
do you take me for one of those religious extremists? Those people are fucking stupid. They go completely against the religion's message anyways...
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 02:51:33 PM
do you take me for one of those religious extremists? Those people are fucking stupid. They go completely against the religion's message anyways...
cool
Faith is still ignorance.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 02:36:43 PM
How does faith = ignorance? It's not a question of intelligence.
Ignorance isn't the same as idiocy. psyduck;
go look it up
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 24, 2007, 05:34:36 PM
Ignorance isn't the same as idiocy. psyduck;
go look it up
Ignorance: Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, or a willful lack of desire to improve the efficiency, merit, effectiveness or usefulness of one's actions. Ignorance is also a "state of being ignorant" or unaware (not knowing).
How does that equal faith?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 05:38:53 PM
Ignorance is also a "state of being ignorant" or unaware (not knowing).
How does that equal faith?
see bolded
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 05:38:53 PM
Ignorance: Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, or a willful lack of desire to improve the efficiency, merit, effectiveness or usefulness of one's actions. Ignorance is also a "state of being ignorant" or unaware (not knowing).
How does that equal faith?
I'M NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO YOUR STATEMENTS ABOUT HOW JESUS COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY EXISTED. MY PASTOR SAID I'D GO TO HELL.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 24, 2007, 05:39:34 PM
see bolded
Faith: loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person
=/= unaware. Even if you were referring to "faith in a deity", I may as well call you ignorant as well, because neither of us knows if there truly is a deity or not.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 05:44:36 PM
Faith: loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person
=/= unaware. Even if you were referring to "faith in a deity", I may as well call you ignorant as well, because neither of us knows if there truly is a deity or not.
And how do you know that the Christian god is the one true deity? What if it turns out that Zeus is the real one?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 05:44:36 PM
Faith: loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person
=/= unaware. Even if you were referring to "faith in a deity", I may as well call you ignorant as well, because neither of us knows if there truly is a deity or not.
Equals or equals? psyduck;
Faith is blind. Blind people have a tendency to be unaware of sharp pointy objects on the ground, among other things.
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 05:45:59 PM
And how do you know that the Christian god is the one true deity? What if it turns out that Zeus is the real one?
Then I'm fucked... so what? psyduck;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 24, 2007, 05:47:39 PM
Equals or equals? psyduck;
Faith is blind. Blind people have a tendency to be unaware of sharp pointy objects on the ground, among other things.
@ bold; Petty.
Lack of faith is emptiness. People who are empty tend to starve. Woohoo for stupid analogies
Quote from: Lawlz on August 24, 2007, 05:40:12 PM
I'M NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO YOUR STATEMENTS ABOUT HOW JESUS COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY EXISTED. MY PASTOR SAID I'D GO TO HELL.
At least JMV and Guff are arguing with dignity... >.>
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 05:55:06 PM
Lack of faith is emptiness. People who are empty tend to starve. Woohoo for stupid analogies
Actually, I think they'd die from a lack of vital organs. psyduck;
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 05:55:49 PM
At least JMV and Guff are arguing with dignity... >.>
lol
double lol at expecting anything else from lawlz
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 24, 2007, 05:57:08 PM
Actually, I think they'd die from a lack of vital organs. psyduck;
I was actually thinking of using that... psyduck;
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 05:50:06 PM
Then I'm fucked... so what? psyduck;
Then why do you even bother believing in god?
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 06:06:33 PM
Then why do you even bother believing in god?
Because I like the thought of a God who's willing to forgive you when you mess up, and who was willing to die for our sakes.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 06:14:01 PM
Because I like the thought of a God who's willing to forgive you when you mess up, and who was willing to die for our sakes.
I like the thought of a chicken who makes all people with the letter G in their name die. So? That doesn't mean it's real.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 06:14:01 PM
Because I like the thought of a God who's willing to forgive you when you mess up, and who was willing to die for our sakes.
Your supposed god condemns anyone and everyone to hell for whatever reason he pulls out of a hat.
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 06:14:57 PM
I like the thought of a chicken who makes all people with the letter G in their name die. So? That doesn't mean it's real.
Ok, go for it. I really don't care what you believe.
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 12:49:00 PM
Please tell me you don't go to a public school.
I dont go to a public school. I go to a private school.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 24, 2007, 06:18:43 PM
Your supposed god condemns anyone and everyone to hell for whatever reason he pulls out of a hat.
No, for the commiting of sins.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 24, 2007, 06:18:43 PM
Ok, go for it. I really don't care what you believe.
Could you at least put up some sort of argument? psyduck;
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 24, 2007, 06:20:52 PM
I dont go to a public school. I go to a private school.
Oh, good. If public schools could get away with hat, I'd be afraid, but private schools can do whatever they want since they have no connection to state..
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 24, 2007, 01:48:55 PM
Explain. :|
I'll take that as a yes.
Well if their isnt my teachers are wrong again.
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 06:23:40 PM
Could you at least put up some sort of argument? psyduck;
To be honest, there is really nothing left to argue here. People will believe what they believe in. I see no point in trying to sway his thoughts on the matter, and vice versa. psyduck;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 24, 2007, 06:18:43 PM
Your supposed god condemns anyone and everyone to hell for whatever reason he pulls out of a hat.
Really? It's interesting that you know exactly what God has done, yet you don't believe in him.
That's basically a bunch of propaganda bullshit that some ministers make up to try to keep people in the faith. Yes, I admit that there's a lot of fucking assholes in the Church. I think that if he's really all-forgiving as the Bible says, then he wouldn't condemn nearly as many people as you or others may think.
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 06:23:40 PM
Could you at least put up some sort of argument? psyduck;
No. I'm tired of people (atheist and theist alike) trying to force their beliefs on others. So if you want to believe in a chicken deity, go right ahead.
Quote from: V on August 24, 2007, 06:25:05 PM
To be honest, there is really nothing left to argue here. People will believe what they believe in. I see no point in trying to sway his thoughts on the matter, and vice versa. psyduck;
Then why do we even have the Serious Discussion board?
Quote from: V on August 24, 2007, 06:23:20 PM
No, for the commiting of sins.
But what exactly is a sin? According to the Bible homosexuality if one. He condemns people to hell for being born a different way. How does that work?
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 06:42:49 PM
Then why do we even have the Serious Discussion board?
Because other things are more debatable... Also to express your opinion, not just to necessarily argue
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 06:42:49 PM
Then why do we even have the Serious Discussion board?
I said this topic. Not all of them. psyduck;
Quote from: JMV290 on August 24, 2007, 06:44:18 PM
But what exactly is a sin? According to the Bible homosexuality if one. He condemns people to hell for being born a different way. How does that work?
Having sex with someone of the same gender is an abomination. I don't believe people are born gay.
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 06:42:49 PM
Then why do we even have the Serious Discussion board?
Because some people dont want the replies to their posts about their friend dieing in a car crash to be "PENUS".
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 24, 2007, 06:56:47 PM
Because some people dont want the replies to their posts about their friend dieing in a car crash to be "PENUS".
We delete "PENUS" replies anyway.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 24, 2007, 06:44:18 PM
But what exactly is a sin? According to the Bible homosexuality if one. He condemns people to hell for being born a different way. How does that work?
So he condemns people to hell if they're homosexual? Because I know Christians that are gay.
Quote from: Jean L. Kline on August 24, 2007, 07:07:53 PM
So he condemns people to hell if they're homosexual? Because I know Christians that are gay.
Homosexuality is not normal, imo.
Quote from: V on August 24, 2007, 07:13:36 PM
Homosexuality is not normal, imo.
What is normal?
Quote from: Toast on August 24, 2007, 07:17:11 PM
What is normal?
Heterosexuality. Did you really need to ask that question?
Quote from: V on August 24, 2007, 07:19:05 PM
Heterosexuality. Did you really need to ask that question?
Well some people believe being normal is being who they are.
Quote from: V on August 24, 2007, 06:54:01 PMI don't believe people are born gay.
Studies confirm that homosexuality is a result of a sort of birth defect, which causes an imbalance of sorts in the brain, in turn causing the individual to be attracted to the wrong set of pheromones. It's not a choice, and it's proven, yet people like you either refuse this information, or aren't informed. Next they'll be amending the constitution to prevent poeple with aspergers and autism from doing things a normal person would have the right to do, hm? Your ignorance as to this matter is appalling. You're on the internet, for christ's sake. Go look it up.
I do agree that anal sex in itself is wrong, though. SHIT comes out of there, nothing's supposed to go UP it.
Quote from: TheExAm on August 24, 2007, 08:29:13 PM
Studies confirm that homosexuality is a result of a birth defect, which causes an imbalance of sorts in the brain, in turn causing the individual to be attracted to the wrong set of pheromones. It's not a choice, and it's proven, yet people like you either refuse this information, or aren't informed. Next they'll be amending the constitution to prevent poeple with aspergers and autism from doing things a normal person would have the right to do, hm? Your ignorance as to this matter is appalling. You're on the internet, for christ's sake. Go look it up.
Is that the same fact with Furries and Michel Jackson?
Quote from: TheExAm on August 24, 2007, 08:29:13 PM
Studies confirm that homosexuality is a result of a sort of birth defect, which causes an imbalance of sorts in the brain, in turn causing the individual to be attracted to the wrong set of pheromones. It's not a choice, and it's proven, yet people like you either refuse this information, or aren't informed. Next they'll be amending the constitution to prevent poeple with aspergers and autism from doing things a normal person would have the right to do, hm? Your ignorance as to this matter is appalling. You're on the internet, for christ's sake. Go look it up.
I do agree that anal sex in itself is wrong, though. SHIT comes out of there, nothing's supposed to go UP it.
All in all, it isn't natural for men to like other men. It is a birth defect, like you said.
Quote from: Commander Booty Call, AKA Zack777 on August 24, 2007, 08:30:32 PM
Is that the same fact with Furries and Michel Jackson?
Furries have a sexual fetish, and pedophilia is also a fetish. However, since Jackson molested little boys, he may be gay.
Quote from: V on August 24, 2007, 08:32:24 PM
All in all, it isn't natural for men to like other men. It is a birth defect, like you said.
That doesn't mean that just because they're attracted to other men, or other women, that they shouldn't be able to live their lives together. What's it going to do to you if some gay couple somewhere in the world gets married? This has nothing to do with morals. You just have an aversion to the idea.
Also,
(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2651/amtrak5lr6.jpg)
THREAD DERAILED. Back on topic now. Wanna argue this? Keep it in PMs or create your own thread.
Quote from: V on August 24, 2007, 08:32:24 PM
All in all, it isn't natural for men to like other men. It is a birth defect, like you said.
Everyone is born with a certain amount of male and girl hormones. That can probably determine if they're homosexual or not.
Quote from: TheExAm on August 24, 2007, 08:35:08 PM
Furries have a sexual fetish, and pedophilia is also a fetish. However, since Jackson molested little boys, he may be gay. That doesn't mean that just because they're attracted to other men, or other women, that they shouldn't be able to live their lives together. What's it going to do to you if some gay couple somewhere in the world gets married? This has nothing to do with morals. You just have an aversion to the idea.
Also,
(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2651/amtrak5lr6.jpg)
THREAD DERAILED. Back on topic now. Wanna argue this? Keep it in PMs or create your own thread.
I never said anything about them being able to live together, I just said it isn't natural. psyduck;
To get back on topic, how can we really decide if there is a god? We can't be 100% sure if he/she/it is real or not until we die.
Quote from: V on August 24, 2007, 08:45:39 PM
To get back on topic, how can we really decide if there is a god? We can't be 100% sure if he/she/it is real or not until we die.
I guess we just wait. Who knows what will happen and there is no way to know. I like the idea of reincarnation better. Less scary.
Quote from: TheExAm on August 24, 2007, 08:29:13 PM
Studies confirm that homosexuality is a result of a sort of birth defect, which causes an imbalance of sorts in the brain, in turn causing the individual to be attracted to the wrong set of pheromones. It's not a choice, and it's proven, yet people like you either refuse this information, or aren't informed. Next they'll be amending the constitution to prevent poeple with aspergers and autism from doing things a normal person would have the right to do, hm? Your ignorance as to this matter is appalling. You're on the internet, for christ's sake. Go look it up.
I do agree that anal sex in itself is wrong, though. SHIT comes out of there, nothing's supposed to go UP it.
cool now how about a source
Others say it mostly has to do with the upbringing. Everyone is born bisexual, but over time, we each tend to develop a preference for one or the other.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 24, 2007, 09:13:29 PM
cool now how about a source
Others say it mostly has to do with the upbringing. Everyone is born bisexual, but over time, we each tend to develop a preference for one or the other.
cool now how about a source
Quote from: Lawlz on August 24, 2007, 09:13:29 PM
cool now how about a source
Others say it mostly has to do with the upbringing. Everyone is born bisexual, but over time, we each tend to develop a preference for one or the other.
What I've heard about upbringing is that, say someone was born a boy, was given a sex change soon after birth (lol, Law and Order episode plot), and raised as a girl. Assuming he was born heterosexual, he would, as he entered puberty, begin to notice an attraction to girls. It has to do with the way the brain is wired at birth.
As for the source of my information, I've heard the subject discussed on NPR, with experts in the associated fields. Beyond that, google is your friend.
PLEASE get back on topic now. Make a new thread for this subject if you want, but don't muck up this thread.
Quote from: TheExAm on August 24, 2007, 11:04:16 PM
What I've heard about upbringing is that, say someone was born a boy, was given a sex change soon after birth (lol, Law and Order episode plot), and raised as a girl. Assuming he was born heterosexual, he would, as he entered puberty, begin to notice an attraction to girls. It has to do with the way the brain is wired at birth.
As for the source of my information, I've heard the subject discussed on NPR, with experts in the associated fields. Beyond that, google is your friend.
PLEASE get back on topic now. Make a new thread for this subject if you want, but don't muck up this thread.
The "do you believe in god" subject has been talked about to the fullest it can be. It's at the point where YPR is saying he doesn't care what you guys believe anymore. I don't think it's a problem we wander on this new subject.
Quote from: TheExAm on August 24, 2007, 11:04:16 PM
What I've heard about upbringing is that, say someone was born a boy, was given a sex change soon after birth (lol, Law and Order episode plot), and raised as a girl. Assuming he was born heterosexual, he would, as he entered puberty, begin to notice an attraction to girls. It has to do with the way the brain is wired at birth.
As for the source of my information, I've heard the subject discussed on NPR, with experts in the associated fields. Beyond that, google is your friend.
PLEASE get back on topic now. Make a new thread for this subject if you want, but don't muck up this thread.
Really, someone can't be born with their sexuality programmed into them. People are often confused as to whether they're gay, bisexual, straight, or whatever. They tend to sway from one to another, experiment, then see what term best applies to their sexual interests. I really think I worded that like shit, but oh well.
It's like saying someone is born with a urine fetish. More than likely, they really won't feel anything until they see a girl wet herself, or something along those lines. Not like the kid, at the instant he starts to develop an interest in whatever gender(s) he prefers, instantly imagines others pissing themselves. psyduck;
Quote from: V on August 24, 2007, 11:47:49 PM
The "do you believe in god" subject has been talked about to the fullest it can be. It's at the point where YPR is saying he doesn't care what you guys believe anymore. I don't think it's a problem we wander on this new subject.
Point noted, but still it would be better to have a separate topic for it, so anyone randomly browsing through the forum would know that the topic for the thread is on the nature of homosexuality.
Lawlz,we're not talking about fetishes here, which aren't influenced by genes. We're talking specifically about gender attraction. While it's true that people do experiment, but one of the big parts of human attraction is pheromones. Sure, some may experiment, but ultimately their final decision is influenced greatly on which set of pheromones they're wired to be attracted to. That is, unless something really weird is going on with them. In short, experimentation may reveal the true orientation of the person's sexuality. Going back to my earlier point concerning a boy born heterosexual, but raised as a girl, the person's actual orientation is more or less hard-wired during brain development, and thus the boy, who has been raised as a girl, will most likely turn out to like girls.
Objection: Who gives a shit? If you don't like homosexuality, just shut up, because it's not hurting you.
Quote from: TheExAm on August 24, 2007, 11:58:25 PM
Point noted, but still it would be better to have a separate topic for it, so anyone randomly browsing through the forum would know that the topic for the thread is on the nature of homosexuality.
Lawlz,we're not talking about fetishes here, which aren't influenced by genes. We're talking specifically about gender attraction. While it's true that people do experiment, but one of the big parts of human attraction is pheromones. Sure, some may experiment, but ultimately their final decision is influenced greatly on which set of pheromones they're wired to be attracted to. That is, unless something really weird is going on with them. In short, experimentation may reveal the true orientation of the person's sexuality. Going back to my earlier point concerning a boy born heterosexual, but raised as a girl, the person's actual orientation is more or less hard-wired during brain development, and thus the boy, who has been raised as a girl, will most likely turn out to like girls.
And then we have prisoners that become homosexuals. spam;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 25, 2007, 12:21:37 AM
And then we have prisoners that become homosexuals. spam;
Possibilities include
A. Closet homosexuals (few of these)
B. Sexual deprivation leads to weak minded men taking any hole they can get, regardless of whether there is any attraction.
Quote from: Toast on August 25, 2007, 12:20:11 AM
Objection: Who gives a shit? If you don't like homosexuality, just shut up, because it's not hurting you.
Ok, then the same can be said for our debate against if there is a god or not; I can easily say if you don't believe that there is one, then just shut up, it's not hurting you to not agree with me and then dismiss your thoughts on the matter as complete bullshit. With that being said, serious discussion would die. psyduck;
POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE; WE NEED PEOPLE TO OBJECT TO THINGS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE DEBATES TO ARGUE SO THAT SERIOUS DISCUSSION CAN THRIVE.
Quote from: V on August 25, 2007, 06:46:09 AM
Ok, then the same can be said for our debate against if there is a god or not; I can easily say if you don't believe that there is one, then just shut up, it's not hurting you to not agree with me and then dismiss your thoughts on the matter as complete bullshit. With that being said, serious discussion would die. psyduck;
POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE; WE NEED PEOPLE TO OBJECT TO THINGS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE DEBATES TO ARGUE SO THAT SERIOUS DISCUSSION CAN THRIVE.
Then why can't I argue with Your Posting Rival? psyduck;
Quote from: Toast on August 25, 2007, 04:51:40 PM
Then why can't I argue with Your Posting Rival? psyduck;
Never said you couldn't. I just said it's getting kind of pointless because it's to the point where he isn't considering your views on the matter anymore. psyduck;
Quote from: V on August 25, 2007, 04:52:35 PM
Never said you couldn't. I just said it's getting kind of pointless because it's to the point where he isn't considering your views on the matter anymore. psyduck;
Well, I just kinda wish that someone would give straight answers to my questions, because this board is here for arguing. And while I'm at it I'm going to throw in a bunch of Psyducks. psyduck; psyduck; psyduck; psyduck; psyduck; psyduck;
Don't care about religion. powerofone;
I'm an agnostic.
This doesn't make any sense to me... edumacate; Why do some atheists get so pissed off when someone tries to convert them, then they turn right around and call theists retarded for believing in something that isn't real?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on September 04, 2007, 02:00:56 PM
This doesn't make any sense to me... edumacate; Why do atheists get so pissed off when someone tries to convert them, then they turn right around and call theists retarded for believing in something that isn't real?
Why does everyone do exactly the same all the time? ;_____;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on September 04, 2007, 03:46:46 PM
Why does everyone do exactly the same all the time? ;_____;
Yeah, you never generalize. You're my idol v;
anyways... edited
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on September 04, 2007, 02:00:56 PM
This doesn't make any sense to me... edumacate; Why do some atheists get so pissed off when someone tries to convert them, then they turn right around and call theists retarded for believing in something that isn't real?
I'm an atheist, but I don't get too annoyed if someone tries to convert me. It's when I tell them I'm not interested and I don't want them to keep going and they keep going. That's what pisses me off. Plus, I don't call people retarded for believing in something that isn't real... Most of my friends are theists, so if I did do that stuff I'd be a pretty lonely guy.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on September 04, 2007, 06:16:57 PM
Yeah, you never generalize. You're my idol v;
anyways... edited
f for effort and not getting the point
Quote from: Commodore Guff on September 05, 2007, 01:22:33 PM
f for effort and not getting the point
Then what the fuck is your point?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on September 06, 2007, 01:30:28 PM
Then what the fuck is your point?
What you described is a trait present in all of humanity. psyduck;
uh what do you think joe d. (stands for devout) christian would do if an atheist attempted to convert him
Yeah. Because I'm a Christian, and... yeah.
I've nothing against Atheists, though. Unless they become God-Haters and want to rape all of the Christians out there. One of the things that irritates me most is when "Christians" (Wtf, they wouldn't be if they did this) hold grudges against non-Christians just because they're not Christians.
Quote from: Shoj on September 07, 2007, 04:47:42 PM
Yeah. Because I'm a Christian, and... yeah.
I've nothing against Atheists, though. Unless they become God-Haters and want to rape all of the Christians out there. One of the things that irritates me most is when "Christians" (Wtf, they wouldn't be if they did this) hold grudges against non-Christians just because they're not Christians.
o yes, every saturday i put on a cape and a mask and find christian virgins and rape them
Quote from: JMV290 on September 07, 2007, 05:19:05 PM
o yes, every saturday i put on a cape and a mask and find christian virgins and rape them
"...
Unless they become God-Haters and want to
rape all of the Christians out there..."
Bold = Point
Italix = Exaggeration
Quote from: Shoj on September 07, 2007, 05:27:11 PM
"...Unless they become God-Haters and want to rape all of the Christians out there..."
Bold = Point
Italix = Exaggeration
I'm not sure about you, but I can't hate something I don't believe exists.
Quote from: JMV290 on September 07, 2007, 05:31:38 PM
I'm not sure about you, but I can't hate something I don't believe exists.
Then, yay for you.
A lot Atheists I run into act like they have something against Christians.
Quote from: Shoj on September 07, 2007, 05:33:57 PM
A lot Atheists I run into act like they have something against Christians.
A lot Christians I run into act like they have something against Atheists.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on September 07, 2007, 05:38:20 PM
A lot Christians I run into act like they have something against Atheists.
I know, I hate that.
Quote from: Shoj on September 07, 2007, 05:46:00 PM
I know, I hate that.
SHOCKING VISION BURNT INTO THE HEAVENS: people don't like other people that aren't like them
Quote from: Commodore Guff on September 07, 2007, 05:47:07 PM
SHOCKING VISION BURNT INTO THE HEAVENS: people don't like other people that aren't like them
What? I'm lost.
I don't have anything against Atheists. I'm not that close-minded. I hate it when some Christians
hate Atheists, because that makes them contradicts themselves, and either makes them not a Christian, or another hypocrite.
Not in any way shape or form. I'm not going to offend anyone so that's all I'ma going to say.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on September 07, 2007, 05:38:20 PM
A lot Christians I run into act like they have something against Atheists.
A lot of Christians I run into try to convert me to a Christian.
whats in a god
an idol by any other means would work just as fine
I personally am a Catholic and i do in fact believe there is a "God" or a super being up there who is protecting us. Because i know for me i have a had a few times where i was like "holy shit i could have died" or something like that moments. but on a side note i do not believe in the bible.
Quote from: tehmedic on October 01, 2007, 09:22:48 PM
"holy shit i could have died"
"Holy shit, that bullet just missed me. It surely was God that made me jump to safety behind that car."
Of course you don't believe the bible, it's book of fiction. psyduck;
Quote from: Jimmy Smith on October 02, 2007, 07:53:31 AM
"Holy shit, that bullet just missed me. It surely was God that made me jump to safety behind that car."
Of course you don't believe the bible, it's book of fiction. psyduck;
And a person can't be Catholic if they don't even believe it. psyduck;
Catholic by birth, maybe.
I really don't know.
I try not to question god, though I'm not too religion savy anyway.
I think the aliens lived here billions of years ago and then something bad happened so they moved to the moon. On the moon, they created us and sent us down here. On the moon expedition we found traces of life but the aliens told u to go back and never come back (Dunno why)...
Quote from: Kascadian on October 03, 2007, 02:57:25 PM
I think the aliens lived here billions of years ago and then something bad happened so they moved to the moon. On the moon, they created us and sent us down here. On the moon expedition we found traces of life but the aliens told u to go back and never come back (Dunno why)...
Almost every one of your posts are hilarious.
Quote from: Jimmy Smith on October 03, 2007, 06:41:17 PM
Almost every one of your posts are hilarious.
Too bad this is Serious Discussion. I'll just delete any more posts he makes here unless they're actually serious.
I don't believe there is a giant man in the clouds, nor do I believe Jesus walked on water. But I do think those stories have meaning. I often think of God as the planet or 'mother nature,' as crazy as it sounds, the earth does supply us with life. 'Heaven and hell' could just be a mental state, you either die happy or die sad, right. And I think religion just provides guidance and reassurance to one's 'self being.' And I guess that connects with yin and yang's concept of good and bad.
There are good people in the world such as Jesus and Saint Nicholas, but there are also bad like Hitler and Ivan Milat. Just like people the earth can be good or bad, like earthquakes or rain...I think I went of topic, I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore.
Quote from: Hyper on October 03, 2007, 08:20:43 PM
I don't believe there is a giant man in the clouds, nor do I believe Jesus walked on water. But I do think those stories have meaning. I often think of God as the planet or 'mother nature,' as crazy as it sounds, the earth does supply us with life. 'Heaven and hell' could just be a mental state, you either die happy or die sad, right. And I think religion just provides guidance and reassurance to one's 'self being.' And I guess that connects with yin and yang's concept of good and bad.
There are good people in the world such as Jesus and Saint Nicholas, but there are also bad like Hitler and Ivan Milat. Just like people the earth can be good or bad, like earthquakes or rain...I think I went of topic, I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore.
Something about rain, mother nature and Nazis. :|
Believing in any higher beings is just a way to justify your morals or deny that you completely disappear when you die.
IMO spam;
Nope, still don't believe in God. dawkins;
Quote from: JMV290 on November 03, 2007, 04:01:00 PM
Nope, still don't believe in God. dawkins;
How about now?
No, I don't believe in God, gods, or any other deities. I don't even believe in an afterlife.
My mother has been trying to get me to believe in that stuff as long as I can remember, but I never have. When I was younger, I thought of it similarly to Santa Claus (something that my parent is trying to get me to believe even though it doesn't really make sense to me)
I honestly don't see how people can believe that stuff, but I don't really care since it's their choice and not mine.
Quote from: Houdini on November 03, 2007, 08:57:08 PM
How about now?
Well, I did think I saw a light and my world got brighter....but...... I then realized I was only hitting F2 on my MBP.
Quote from: JMV290 on November 03, 2007, 10:54:50 PM
Well, I did think I saw a light and my world got brighter....but...... I then realized I was only hitting F2 on my MBP.
Cool. By the way, God is real.
PSYCH
I get you guys every time.
This thread is still going, huh?
Well.
I deny the existence of any supreme being.
Still.
So, yea. Argue over that, or something.
God is the one who set up the rule for science. Did you really think it was just there? Who created the world then? Huh?
Quote from: bleedingassassin on November 08, 2007, 02:42:10 PM
God is the one who set up the rule for science. Did you really think it was just there? Who created the world then? Huh?
... bleedingassassin, I barely knew ye...
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 08, 2007, 02:56:09 PM
... bleedingassassin, I barely knew ye...
I SMELL A CHRISTIAN OM NOM NOM NOM
Quote from: bleedingassassin on November 08, 2007, 02:42:10 PM
God is the one who set up the rule for science. Did you really think it was just there? Who created the world then? Huh?
Branes of the multiverse collide and bounce off of eachother, creating "The Big Bang" and a rapid growth of space occurs. Vibrating "strings" become matter, energy, gravity, time, and all that we know.
Quote from: bleedingassassin on November 08, 2007, 02:42:10 PM
God is the one who set up the rule for science. Did you really think it was just there? Who created the world then? Huh?
What "rule for science"? What's the "it" you're talking about? Isn't it possible the earth just developed, like the trees that produce the syrup you put on your delicious waffles? Or did "god" make the seeds/acorns/etc that develop into trees and the pancakes you eat without giving those poor farmers and factory workers any credit?
I'm too lazy to say anything more than this, because it's all been said before. :|
Quote from: bleedingassassin on November 08, 2007, 02:42:10 PM
God is the one who set up the rule for science. Did you really think it was just there? Who created the world then? Huh?
are you saying that god made science huh psyduck;
Quote from: JMV290 on November 08, 2007, 03:08:29 PM
Branes of the multiverse collide and bounce off of eachother...
sometimes i think string theory was originally just a concept for a sci-fi channel original movie
then i remember that most of said concepts only involve mutant reptiles and that the channel hasn't actually been around long enough anyways but whatever
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 08, 2007, 05:03:11 PM
sometimes i think string theory was originally just a concept for a sci-fi channel original movie
then i remember that most of said concepts only involve mutant reptiles and that the channel hasn't actually been around long enough anyways but whatever
You can't be serious. psyduck;
Quote from: JMV290 on November 08, 2007, 05:12:11 PM
You can't be serious. psyduck;
uh i'm pretty sure my probability wave says otherwise
however, any observation will skew any results so i guess we'll never know
String theory is for bitches. String cheese theory ftw woop;
was my post removed?
Oh. i thought i posted here this morning
I believe there is some kind of higher power, not necessarily anything like the Christian god. Or any other religious figure that I know about.
Parts of the Theory of Evolution makes sense to me, but I'm still skeptical about it.
And then Creationism just sounds ridiculous to me.
Also I don't even know if I like the idea of religion, so much of the bad things going on in our world is because of religion.
Some people seem to be hypnotized by religion, it seems to take over their life.
I believe religious Gods were created by mankind, just so they have someone to blame all of their problems on.
But then religions also have their share of good effects.
Religions can teach people a good value of morals.
Religion gives "answers" to questions that mankind cannot answer, such as what happens when we die?
(Although in my opinion we just rot in the ground.)
I grew up going to a Christian church, my family was very church oriented.
Then once I was confirmed into the church, my parents gave me the choice of if I wanted to attend the same church, or any in general. And I've stopped going, and I've become an agnostic/athiest at this point in my life.
all of you badders are going to badplace
people who don't believe in the Great Somaka will spend their afterworld in the badplace
never to see the greenery of zamatoth
Yes.
I'm a Christian, so it's kind of part of the job requirement
all of you sinners are going to hell
people who don't believe in the Christian God and accept Jesus as their savior will spend their afterlife in hell
never to see the pearly gates of heaven
Yeahs I believes in him.
I'm Catholic but I am O.K. with other religions. I'm too lazy to read this whole thread so,
You guys aren't the kinds of internet Atheists who insult the Christians for our beliefs, right?
Quote from: Co-Z on December 29, 2007, 07:25:53 AM
Yeahs I believes in him.
I'm Catholic but I am O.K. with other religions. I'm too lazy to read this whole thread so,
You guys aren't the kinds of internet Atheists who insult the Christians for our beliefs, right?
Only if the person tries to back up their beliefs with nothing other than the Bible and attempt to use a recursive citation to prove the "Truth of the bible" i.e. claiming the Bible is true because it says it is true. Or using circular logic to prove the Bible's truth: "The Bible is the word of God and The Bible says God is real" so both must be true. I would prefer if the person used actual sources for their arguments.
Quote from: Co-Z on December 29, 2007, 07:25:53 AM
Yeahs I believes in him.
I'm Catholic but I am O.K. with other religions. I'm too lazy to read this whole thread so,
You guys aren't the kinds of internet Atheists who insult the Christians for our beliefs, right?
As a matter of fact, some of them are.
Quote from: JMV290 on December 29, 2007, 03:56:06 PM
Only if the person tries to back up their beliefs with nothing other than the Bible and attempt to use a recursive citation to prove the "Truth of the bible" i.e. claiming the Bible is true because it says it is true. Or using circular logic to prove the Bible's truth: "The Bible is the word of God and The Bible says God is real" so both must be true. I would prefer if the person used actual sources for their arguments.
I hate people with blind faith.
When you think about it, you can't prove that God is or isn't real. There's not proof of God, but there is a possibility that he's there, he just doesn't do jack. If a lot of people understood this there'd be less arguing ;_;
I changed my answer to no. My school has driven it out of me. I dont believe in him anymore. He's now just like Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny in my eyes.
Quote from: Dahlia on December 30, 2007, 06:38:22 PM
I changed my answer to no. My school has driven it out of me. I dont believe in him anymore. He's now just like Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny in my eyes.
Although Santa Claus was based off of St. Nicholas who was a Christian.
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 30, 2007, 11:36:11 PM
Although Santa Claus was based off of St. Nicholas who was a Christian.
Yes, but nowadays ol' Santa has little to do with St. Nicholas.
Well, my figuring is basic. I think people who say, "There's no such thing as god", are a bit foolish. Why? Simply because you have no proof. However annoying to me these people may be, I find it even more ridiculous to say that there is some man who created everything and is the master of whatever, when you have no proof. I think both claims are ignorant claims to make, however, the latter of them being of greater magnitude. Neither ideas have any proof, so it's impossibly hard to say what.
To be hypocritical, I think I can still say there's no god. While there's no way of proving there's no god, it's stupid to say that God could possibly be real. The answer to that is simple; because it goes into many many specifics without any proof. I don't think saying that there's some force or more powerful being out there is ridiculous, but when you make a big fuss over it, give the power a name, and start talking about what it started with and thereafter, it's worth no more to me than a fairy tale. It really doesn't add up. But whatever, nobody cares about my two cents anyway.
Also, what's up with Christians and their extreme dislike towards Evolution? I'm reluctant to call it a theory, because there's more than enough proof right under our noses. Is it just the fear of thinking we evolved from apes? Who's to say "God" didn't think of evolution when he created the world? Where in he bible does it ever state that? I mean, some of them act as though evolution is heinous, because they believe apes to be so primitive. I think we should be proud that something like this, with so much against it, the odds in anything elses favor, that we were not only more developed than any other organism, but that we accomplished the amazing feat of creating civilization, and technology. I think we should be proud of our ability to come this far. But whatever.... Again, who cares, right?
Quote from: Avtomat Kalashnikova on December 31, 2007, 12:56:34 PM
Well, my figuring is basic. I think people who say, "There's no such thing as god", are a bit foolish. Why? Simply because you have no proof. However annoying to me these people may be, I find it even more ridiculous to say that there is some man who created everything and is the master of whatever, when you have no proof. I think both claims are ignorant claims to make, however, the latter of them being of greater magnitude. Neither ideas have any proof, so it's impossibly hard to say what.
To be hypocritical, I think I can still say there's no god. While there's no way of proving there's no god, it's stupid to say that God could possibly be real. The answer to that is simple; because it goes into many many specifics without any proof. I don't think saying that there's some force or more powerful being out there is ridiculous, but when you make a big fuss over it, give the power a name, and start talking about what it started with and thereafter, it's worth no more to me than a fairy tale. It really doesn't add up. But whatever, nobody cares about my two cents anyway.
Also, what's up with Christians and their extreme dislike towards Evolution? I'm reluctant to call it a theory, because there's more than enough proof right under our noses. Is it just the fear of thinking we evolved from apes? Who's to say "God" didn't think of evolution when he created the world? Where in he bible does it ever state that? I mean, some of them act as though evolution is heinous, because they believe apes to be so primitive. I think we should be proud that something like this, with so much against it, the ods in anything elses favor, that we were not only more developed than any other organism, but that we accomplished the amazing feat of creating civilization, and technology. I think we should be proud of our ability to come this far. But whatever.... Again, who cares, right?
So... you're saying God could exist, but it would be idiotic to believe he could?
Also, I'm a Christian and I believe evolution may have been God's intent. So yeah, some of us already think that way.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on December 31, 2007, 01:00:47 PM
So... you're saying God could exist, but it would be idiotic to believe he could?
Also, I'm a Christian and I believe evolution may have been God's intent. So yeah, some of us already think that way.
Sorry, I was going to put "some", then didn't, and was too lazy for an edit.
No, I think that something beyond our understanding could be occurring somewhere else in the universe, and that it's not possible to say that there isn't something out there greater than us, that could have possibly had a lot to do with us being here. I'm not saying that I believe that. I'm saying that it's impossible to say that that isn't one possibilty. Possible.
So to answer your question, I think it's remarkably superfluous to start naming this... whatever it is, thinking we know all about that force.
for the people that dont believe in god then how are we alive
Quote from: guido123 on June 02, 2008, 05:46:02 PM
for the people that dont believe in god then how are we alive
when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much
Quote from: guido123 on June 02, 2008, 05:46:02 PM
for the people that dont believe in god then how are we alive
We really don't have an answer to that. That's mainly what Religion is, giving people ideas about how we were created and how we should live.
Honestly, there is no proof that God exists besides the Bible, which any fool could of written. I don't think god exists mainly because science is stacked up against it. We all know science exists, and it disproves alot of things about God's existance.
Quote from: guido123 on June 02, 2008, 05:46:02 PM
for the people that dont believe in god then how are we alive
I think I posted it somewhere in this thread, I'm too lazy to look. You can.
During my time away from Boyah, I became an atheist.
Science makes more sense, and disproves God, so yeah, I don't believe in him anymore.
Quote from: Geñø on June 02, 2008, 05:49:45 PM
We really don't have an answer to that. That's mainly what Religion is, giving people ideas about how we were created and how we should live.
Honestly, there is no proof that God exists besides the Bible, which any fool could of written. I don't think god exists mainly because science is stacked up against it. We all know science exists, and it disproves alot of things about God's existance.
Thats EXACTLY what i was goin to say. Every religion is the exact same, our god made everything, yours did not.
No, I'm not so sure if I do. I don't thinK I do. I believe in myself. But sometimes when I walk around at night I think there is somethign really scary and really big out there.
Quote from: Lozal on June 02, 2008, 07:33:07 PM
During my time away from Boyah, I became an atheist.
Science makes more sense, and disproves God, so yeah, I don't believe in him anymore.
I must have missed this discovery meaty cocks
Quote from: skylark-e on June 02, 2008, 09:30:18 PM
No, I'm not so sure if I do. I don't thinK I do. I believe in myself. But sometimes when I walk around at night I think there is somethign really scary and really big out there.
There is, in a sense. Space is really big and really scary. Basically, humanity in general fears nothingness.
nossir.
Being raised Roman Catholic for my entire life somehow turned me against any notion that religion helps.
No.
I flip flop back and forth
every so often something really shitty happens to me so I'll start praying. Then it becomes alright again so I just forget about god until I need him.
Quote from: Ñerp on June 04, 2008, 11:03:08 AM
Such a rebel.
Are you going to follow him into every thread commenting on his posts?
From a year posting in this thread, yes.
No.
But I'm fine with other people believing in god/gods as long as they don't start pressuring other people into their religion. Or if they constantly bring up god or bible verses at school and such, then it's just damn annoying.
Quote from: Tomboh on June 04, 2008, 12:23:13 PM
No.
But I'm fine with other people believing in god/gods as long as they don't start pressuring other people into their religion. Or if they constantly bring up god or bible verses at school and such, then it's just damn annoying.
I do that just to piss off my atheist biology teacher baddood;
Quote from: Not Sid on June 04, 2008, 11:23:20 AM
I flip flop back and forth
every so often something really shitty happens to me so I'll start praying. Then it becomes alright again so I just forget about god until I need him.
I used to do that too. Actually, that's how I become completely atheist. My dad used to have a big drinking problem, and one night I prayed to God that he wouldn't come home drunk. Five minutes later he showed up, completely wasted. So much for religion.
Quote from: houdini on June 05, 2008, 07:39:28 AM
I used to do that too. Actually, that's how I become completely atheist. My dad used to have a big drinking problem, and one night I prayed to God that he wouldn't come home drunk. Five minutes later he showed up, completely wasted. So much for religion.
I wasn't aware God was supposed to be a genie
I guess I'm an Atheist. Except for sometimes when I'm alone out of the house at night I feel like something big and evil rules the universe.
Quote from: Geno290 on June 04, 2008, 10:22:05 PM
I do that just to piss off my atheist biology teacher baddood;
You really shouldn't be talking to teachers about religion.
But aside from that. the majority of mathmeticians/scientists are athiest.
I think it's because they're the only ones realistic enough, cough cough.
Quote from: Sam. on June 05, 2008, 02:50:05 PM
You really shouldn't be talking to teachers about religion.
But aside from that. the majority of mathmeticians/scientists are athiest.
I think it's because they're the only ones realistic enough, cough cough.
She's really old so she does nothing.
Quote from: Geno290 on June 05, 2008, 02:51:46 PM
She's really old so she does nothing.
No, I mean it's really bad for teachers to be doing it. I know at my school that would lose a teachertheir job in a heartbeat.
Quote from: Sam. on June 05, 2008, 02:52:46 PM
No, I mean it's really bad for teachers to be doing it. I know at my school that would lose a teachertheir job in a heartbeat.
Oh god then she should be fired.
She ALWAYS says religion in based on false belief while science is based on fact.
My physics teacher made fun of religion all of the time. He was awesome, probably my favorite teacher. powerofone;
I've never had an openly atheist teacher, mainly because I spent grades 1 - 8 at a Christian private school.
Quote from: Sam. on June 05, 2008, 02:50:05 PM
But aside from that. the majority of mathmeticians/scientists are athiest.
Where did you get this from? befuddlement
I vary between agnosticism and deism. To be specific with the deism, I only believe that someone out of our universe(s) created the universe; I don't, however, believe he interferes with this universe. Likewise, I don't believe in heaven, and I am appalled that people could even think of something like hell.
Specifically with agnosticism...I just don't know. Sure, science points to the idea that our universe(s) might have also oscillated and technically existed. For me, that somewhat shows there is no creator. However, I have obviously wondered what started this infinite sequence. As a result, I'm stuck between the two ideas and am an agnostic.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on June 03, 2008, 07:11:24 AM
I must have missed this discovery meaty cocks
fuck
I didn't mean it like that. I just worded it wrong. But to me, science makes more sense.
yes i do
but im not really religious anyway
Chances are there is a higher being. We shouldn't be the only ones in this universe.
No, I'm not all that religious. If I had a religion, it would be Buddhism, which I'm not even sure has a god.
I don't know anymore, I said I was atheist a while ago but there's still a shred of faith in me.
Quote from: Idiot on June 05, 2008, 09:17:25 PM
Where did you get this from? befuddlement
uh it's something that gets repeated a lot but anyways uh this (http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/050811_scientists_god.html) claims that 38% of natural scientists don't believe in god (social sciences don't count baddood;) and this (http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/sci_relig.htm) says around 72% don't believe so uh okay
I am a christain. I don't see how people can believe we were made through the big bang theory and all that nonsense. Not believing in god(aka accepting him) is your very sad problem, but denying he exists...your just unbelievably dumb. I was raised from day 1 till now to be christain. There have been times when my faith has swayed...life is full of nasty suprises....but hey, everything happens for a reason.
Quote from: Meta Ridley on July 18, 2008, 11:40:59 AM
I am a christain. I don't see how people can believe we were made through the big bang theory and all that nonsense. Not believing in god(aka accepting him) is your very sad problem, but denying he exists...your just unbelievably dumb. I was raised from day 1 till now to be christain. There have been times when my faith has swayed...life is full of nasty suprises....but hey, everything happens for a reason.
And the floodgates are open...
Quote from: Meta Ridley on July 18, 2008, 11:40:59 AM
I am a christain. I don't see how people can believe we were made through the big bang theory and all that nonsense. Not believing in god(aka accepting him) is your very sad problem, but denying he exists...your just unbelievably dumb. I was raised from day 1 till now to be christain. There have been times when my faith has swayed...life is full of nasty suprises....but hey, everything happens for a reason.
I don't follow any religion or belief regarding God, so I'm not exactly atheist, but let me say something anyway.
How is God any more believable than the Big Bang Theory? Neither of which can be ultimately proven. But at least the aforementioned theory has evidence in the fact that the universe is indeed expanding and has been since it was created.
The belief in God is a blind faith. Get over your high horse and accept, for once in your life, that not everyone is willing to throw away logic as quickly as you are. Not everyone can just believe in something they can't see just because their parents, community, or a book tell them to.
You can't prove anything any more than an atheist can.
Quote from: Meta Ridley on July 18, 2008, 11:40:59 AMyour just unbelievably dumb.
That's all that needs to be said for this post.
I don't outright consider the existence of any sort of deity impossible, but I highly doubt such exists. Being 100% certain of either possibility although neither can be proven is just being arrogant and stupid.
Quote from: Meta Ridley on July 18, 2008, 11:40:59 AM
I am a christain. I don't see how people can believe we were made through the big bang theory and all that nonsense. Not believing in god(aka accepting him) is your very sad problem, but denying he exists...your just unbelievably dumb. I was raised from day 1 till now to be christain. There have been times when my faith has swayed...life is full of nasty suprises....but hey, everything happens for a reason.
Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you can't even spell "Christian"?
I'll keep my incredibly dumb and continue to believe something that can actually be supported with facts rather than 100% faith.
Quote from: Nyerp on July 18, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
ypr was right
I wasn't going to say anything since there is nothing spectacular about his post, but the consistent misspelling of "Christian" and failure to properly implement contractions prompted me to reply.
Quote from: Meta Ridley on July 18, 2008, 11:40:59 AM
I am a christain. I don't see how people can believe we were made through the big bang theory and all that nonsense. Not believing in god(aka accepting him) is your very sad problem, but denying he exists...your just unbelievably dumb. I was raised from day 1 till now to be christain. There have been times when my faith has swayed...life is full of nasty suprises....but hey, everything happens for a reason.
You do know that religion is nothing more than blind faith. There is absolutely no proof that God exists. Any person with a tiny bit of imagination could of written the bible. The reason that most of us here choose not to believe is because alot of us use logic and don't waste our lives away worshipping something that may or may not exist.
So I guess I'm dumb from using logic.
Quote from: Vostroya on July 19, 2008, 01:07:10 PM
The possibility that some variety of preeminent force in the universe is a possibility in my mind, but I'm very sure it's not the traditional "God" image.
I see evidence every day in my life that everything is "connected" -- everything we feel and know and are and can be is all part of some underlying field of reality, and I think this is what people throughout history have referred to as "mother nature" or their god(s) of choice.
I say this because I also see evidence that becoming more "in tune" with this force of reality provides tangible results that could be likened to the alleged results of having absolute faith in a deity... and that's why it makes sense to me that throughout history this has been noticed, and has been ascribed with the knowledge of the time to supernatural spirits, the ghosts of ancestors, sun gods, etc.
I am not a believer in Creationism, but I think choosing between one or the other is stupid. Quite literally anything is possible, and there's really no more reason that consciousness should have evolved from single-cell organisms than that consciousness has created itself and everything around it in the reality we observe.
uh okay i'll put you down for "i'm not sure"
Quote from: Geno on July 19, 2008, 10:52:19 AM
You do know that religion is nothing more than blind faith. There is absolutely no proof that God exists. Any person with a tiny bit of imagination could of written the bible. The reason that most of us here choose not to believe is because alot of us use logic and don't waste our lives away worshipping something that may or may not exist.
So I guess I'm dumb from using logic.
I would just like to remind everyone God is not solely a Biblical creation.
The more you know...
Quote from: Yprie on July 19, 2008, 07:55:39 PM
I would just like to remind everyone God is not solely a Biblical creation.
The more you know...
But then which God is telling the truth? meaty cocks
Quote from: JMV on July 19, 2008, 08:07:40 PM
But then which God is telling the truth? meaty cocks
But then? It's not a condition, it's a fact.
Also, does it matter when you wouldn't believe any of them? I submit that it does not.
Something had to be here forever in order to be the very first cause, for no effect can just randomly appear out of nothing.
And if something was there for infinity, it must still be here when everything is gone.
What is left when everything is gone, but some ethereal thing? Matter is gone, energy is gone, our minds are gone.
Yes, I do believe in a God. I'll have to confirm my suspicions after I'm done reading through Kant's Critique of Reason first, though.
Seems like a bunch of you are big fans of Descartes and Hume. baddood;
Yes, I believe in God.
I had my Eagle Scout board of Review last night. I'm just thankful they didn't ask me if I believed in God or not, or why such a belief in a supreme being is required in scouting.
At least I'm an Eagle now. doodella;
Quote from: Red Lightning on July 30, 2008, 12:58:38 PM
I had my Eagle Scout board of Review last night. I'm just thankful they didn't ask me if I believed in God or not, or why such a belief in a supreme being is required in scouting.
At least I'm an Eagle now. doodella;
"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, â,˜On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.â,,, The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."[2]
Wow, that's pretty shitty.
Quote from: Lawlz on July 30, 2008, 03:19:58 PM
"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, â,˜On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.â,,, The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."[2]
Wow, that's pretty shitty.
What the fuck when did this happen
Quote from: Vostroya on July 30, 2008, 06:32:17 PM
Return to topic or make another thread about The Lord in Boyscouts of America, please.
it's actually a pretty relevant issue, and encourages better discussion than a simple yes or no question doodthing;
Quote from: Lawlz on July 30, 2008, 03:19:58 PM
"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, â,˜On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.â,,, The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."[2]
Wow, that's pretty shitty.
LOL, do they not realize how bigoted that sounds?
Quote from: Hiro on July 30, 2008, 03:21:20 PM
What the fuck when did this happen
It's always been like this. In fact, the US has the only boy scouting organization in the world that doesn't allow atheists, agnostics, and gays to join. I realized this a few years ago. That's why I've been scared that I wouldn't be able to get eagle, especially since I haven't been to church since my confirmation.
Luckily, my old priest was nice enough to still write me a letter of recommendation.
Also, there has been an ongoing battle to get the BSA to allow atheists, agnostics, and gays to join, but because they claim to be a private organization (even though they get funding from the government and are allowed on government owned lands) they are allowed to discriminate. It's total bullshit.
Quote from: Flying Circus on July 31, 2008, 07:57:27 AM
LOL, do they not realize how bigoted that sounds?
I think it's intentional.
What doesn't make sense is how so many people, like 80% of the southern US, can think christianity is necessary to be a good person. really, how many atheists and buddhists do you see on death row --pretty much zero
Quote from: Red Lightning on July 31, 2008, 08:03:10 AM
It's always been like this. In fact, the US has the only boy scouting organization in the world that doesn't allow atheists, agnostics, and gays to join. I realized this a few years ago. That's why I've been scared that I wouldn't be able to get eagle, especially since I haven't been to church since my confirmation.
Luckily, my old priest was nice enough to still write me a letter of recommendation.
I'm actually having trouble imagining a person older than 10 still in the boy scouts.
Quote from: Lawlz on July 31, 2008, 08:03:56 AM
I think it's intentional.
What doesn't make sense is how so many people, like 80% of the southern US, can think christianity is necessary to be a good person. really, how many atheists and buddhists do you see on death row --pretty much zeroI'm actually having trouble imagining a person older than 10 still in the boy scouts.
Actually, under 11 you're in the cub scouts, not the boy scouts. baddood;
Quote from: Lawlz on July 31, 2008, 08:03:56 AM
I think it's intentional.
What doesn't make sense is how so many people, like 80% of the southern US, can think christianity is necessary to be a good person. really, how many atheists and buddhists do you see on death row --pretty much zero
If there was a statistic somewhere, I could tell you. I'm sure there have been athiests on death row. Otherwise I wouldn't hear about all the people that found God while waiting to die.
Quote from: Flying Circus on July 31, 2008, 08:11:21 AM
If there was a statistic somewhere, I could tell you. I'm sure there have been athiests on death row. Otherwise I wouldn't hear about all the people that found God while waiting to die.
I'm sure people from every religion have been on death row somewhere, but in comparison to the number of Christians, it's almost nothing.
and i'm not insinuating christians are evil, it's just that enforcing the concept that non-christians are evil makes no sense when most of the prison population is composed of supposed christians
And not all prisoners are bad either.
Quote from: Lawlz on July 31, 2008, 08:14:20 AM
I'm sure people from every religion have been on death row somewhere, but in comparison to the number of Christians, it's almost nothing.
and i'm not insinuating christians are evil, it's just that enforcing the concept that non-christians are evil makes no sense when most of the prison population is composed of supposed christians
And not all prisoners are bad either.
Well, that may also be because christianity IS the majority religion. baddood;
Quote from: Red Lightning on July 31, 2008, 08:17:20 AM
Well, that may also be because christianity IS the majority religion. baddood;
even then, a greater percentage of "christians" commit murder than atheists goonish
Religion is man-made anesthesia for the mind.
Quote from: Lawlz on July 31, 2008, 08:19:30 AM
even then, a greater percentage of "christians" commit murder than atheists goonish
I suppose you have a source to prove that.
Quote from: Red Lightning on July 31, 2008, 08:17:20 AM
Well, that may also be because christianity IS the majority religion. baddood;
After thinking about life for so long, I've realized a lot of things.
Christianity maybe the majority of the World's religion, but I have a way of knowing who's really Christian. A Christian, maybe not even know why they're Christian. Why? Because in most cases, families from generation to generation pass on their beliefs, and if they've been forcing their long passed religion to future generations, then they're not really Christians. They never had a choice, they were brainwashed from the start when they came out to this World. They don't know why they should believe in God. So, they relentlessly force their beliefs without a point but "Because he created us.". Other than that, I would want the reasons why, and I've finally found them out, without the Bible's help.
I, in the other hand, have looked in many situations and questioned my life. "Does God really exist?" I've longed for the answer, until I went on Boyah. I have to say, Boyah has a lot of people that are Athiests but never look at all of the facts. I got questioned by my religion almost everyday, until I realized that their are a lot of people who don't know why they believe in God. I almost turned Athiest, but this fact has crushed that. I questoned, why do I believe in God anyway? Well, I've finally go to the point. It's because we all care for each other. We can easily kill a living creature for our own selfishness. But, there's nobody that would actually do such a thing, commonly. We all can't deny that we care for somebody in our lives. We all have the ability of forgiving and respect to one another, and in some cases, generosity. That's why I, believe in God. I don't care about what The Bible asks for us to do, I know that there is a God, because without these kind of urges to be mostly giving by respect, we wouldn't be this big of a civilization that has survived for centuries. We all may do bad things, but commonly, you'll see a lot of people helping one another.
We all feel bad when someone dies, and even when we don't know them, we help when we see the many who's lost in this World. Why do we do such acts? We can't explain it, but I definately know that living in a netural world, would never exist. Nobody helping anybody. People walking by people who are lost in sorrowness and do nothing. I can't see a World where it's like that, unless there is no God. No Scientist, no brainwashed Christian can understand why we have these feelings.
Why do we people care for a newborn creature who we don't know about? Why do we people adopt children? Why don't most of us go for the selfishness most of the time? We all care.
Now as I talked about brainwashed Christians, I'm not going to be like any of those people who don't give an opinion to their own children about which religion to have, or not have one. In the future, when the time comes when I have my own children, I'll let them see the World first, showing what we're all about. Caring. I'll let them choose their own religions when I think they've matured enough to be serious about a belief in Life.
Quote from: Vostroya on August 05, 2008, 01:33:22 AM
Additionally, the reason we all have "caring" and all love someone and why most of us wouldn't just kill someone is because society has chosen to set aside certain things as good and bad over the millennia, so that they've become beliefs so firmly held in out culture that they seem natural. I read an article about a "feral girl" the other day -- one of those sad stories about kids neglected in rooms without care or exposure to culture for years -- and there was a comment about how a gorilla trained to express primitive emotion through hand gestures (as has been done) seems much more "human" than this girl who attempted to communicate (presumably) with grunts. So my argument would be that a great majority of things called innately "human" are simply results of us all having been exposed to our respective cultures since the second we were born.
omg i read that too i hope she learns to talk someday
even though it seems like the parents are completely giving up on their son goonish
Quote from: Vostroya on August 05, 2008, 01:33:22 AM
Lovely, but your soliloquy is akin to Pascal's Wager, which is that stupid thing that says "why not just believe in God in case he really exists" -- the problem here and within your thoughts insofar as I can surmise being that God/Christianity/western-religion-what-have-you is treated as the empirical "exists or doesn't" while "atheism" is on the other side.
Well, the saying that "why not just believe in God in case he really exists", is not stupid in my opinion. It's like taking lighter if your candle goes out in the dark. Even though you can just use the lighter for long, it may not have naphtha in it and you can't check because of its solid color, but it's the risk that I'm taking.
I'm not saying that one should consider Hinduism and traditional Eastern religious practices as well, I'm saying, "what the fuck makes these religions more viable than a faith in carrot leaves or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?"
First of all, that's just a joke to make fun of people with religions. I really, believe something with the most positive impact to the World. The Bible may have some things that are idiotically unexplainable, but if you take them literally, then it's really idiotic. For an example: God doesn't accept gays. Well, it doesn't mean that he hates them, and people who read the Bible will come to this conclusion which is why many don't like gays. It also has some words that "males should be superior to women". I don't believe in such facts. It's really, your opinion. You can believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I'm not. It's just what the true meaning of one belief is trying to do to the World that makes it a healthy place. Which most people try to give, but don't really know why or most of the facts behind it. The point is what I'm trying to get through, is that you don't have to believe in everything that's in something like the Bible. Just stuff that will make the World a healthier place. A positive life. That't what most people forget.
If you're saying you believe in a preeminent and universal force in reality that instills benevolent hypernorms of social conduct within us, then fine. Fair enough. But when you put the Bible next to Atheism or nontheism or anything else and think "one of these is right," you're wrong.
Well, sorry to give you my opinion. But really, most people have something of the Bible, which was passed down from people who took it literally. For an example: Most people don't like gays, even Athiests like Socks. Why? Because it was passed down from idiotic people who took the Bible literally. Men should always wear the pants in the relationship? That was passed down from the same people, too. And there are more examples.
Additionally, the reason we all have "caring" and all love someone and why most of us wouldn't just kill someone is because society has chosen to set aside certain things as good and bad over the millennia, so that they've become beliefs so firmly held in out culture that they seem natural. I read an article about a "feral girl" the other day -- one of those sad stories about kids neglected in rooms without care or exposure to culture for years -- and there was a comment about how a gorilla trained to express primitive emotion through hand gestures (as has been done) seems much more "human" than this girl who attempted to communicate (presumably) with grunts. So my argument would be that a great majority of things called innately "human" are simply results of us all having been exposed to our respective cultures since the second we were born.
It's not just Humans, it's every organism. Who has started this trait of caring? It can't simply just be "natural". It can't be put that way, unless you can explain. Nothing can cause nothing. What does something cause? The girl was neglected, so it's easily explainable, and the gorilla was trained. (Is that how you were trying to say about the gorilla? Gorillas can't train, unless taught by a talented trainer). Anyway, I guess so. But, what I'm trying to say is that "Who or what caused our cultural to be based on these thoughts? Anyway, most animals reproduce their own babies and take care of them. Why? We were all never told do such things for a conclusion of sexual intercourse. We've cared so much to make a big civilization. And we also even have the physical properties to take care of one. (Breast feeding.)
This topic naturally evolves into the issue of the superiority of the human species and how exactly we are superior; for it certainly seems that we have emotional and other capabilities more advanced than any other animal. So then are traits I've just said are imbued by culture in fact "natural?" Are humans the solitary species of Earth who have the ability to shape reality and prescribe it unto oneself? This is the question I ponder, but I am still quite certain that the Bible is pure fallacy.
The reason why we're so "superior", is because of our selfishness against other species. You're wrong, they're just not "natural", that's pure ignorance. But, I do agree that most of it is fallacy.
Look at my bolded states, above this post.
hey mib why don't you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you know, just in case He exists
Quote from: Nyerp on August 05, 2008, 08:50:36 AM
hey mib why don't you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you know, just in case He exists
I don't think believing something that tries to offend another belief has the right mentallity of having a positive World. Also, I believe in something that makes the World a better place. It's a healthy choice, in my opinion. Only if you take the Bible literally, it won't be believable. But really, what if the Flying Spaghetti Monster is really God's true apperance, behind all what Chrisitanity is? Hah. It doesn't matter about his appearance, it's what he has done. Anyway, you can make your own religions, but the fact is, that the Bible has been passed down from time to time. It's history, it's our only source of God. Other religions may have the same, but I'm taking the one that makes most sense.
Why don't you believe in God, incase he exists?
Quote from: Original_MIB on August 05, 2008, 09:10:11 AM
Why don't you believe in God, incase he exists?
Which God?
Quote from: Original_MIB on August 05, 2008, 09:10:11 AM
Why don't you believe in God, incase he exists?
because what will i gain from it? nothing. nothing but a false faith.
humans should put their faith in logic, not wizards in the sky.
lol i made an oxymoron kinda, "faith in logic"
i translate god as a higher self being within myself if that makes any sense
i think that may be called theistic satanism
it makes all those bible quotes make a little bit more sense
Quote from: Khadafi on August 05, 2008, 09:11:26 AM
Which God?
What all Catholics believe in.
Quote from: Nyerp on August 05, 2008, 09:13:21 AM
because what will i gain from it? nothing. nothing but a false faith.
humans should put their faith in logic, not wizards in the sky.
You're being ignorant to what I'm trying to say. Read my post again, I've editted it.
Quote from: Clucky on August 05, 2008, 09:16:34 AM
i translate god as a higher self being within myself if that makes any sense
i think that may be called theistic satanism
it makes all those bible quotes make a little bit more sense
It makes sense, like Lawlz's belief that he's God and the World ends when he dies?
Quote from: Original_MIB on August 05, 2008, 09:16:58 AM
You're being ignorant to what I'm trying to say. Read my post again, I've editted it.
How the fuck does Christianity make the most sense? psyduck;
Quote from: Original_MIB on August 05, 2008, 09:18:39 AM
It makes sense, like Lawlz's belief that he's God and the World ends when he dies?
no not like lawlz's belief
basically to do things that are good that make you feel good in the inside; not the best explanation i can give :(
Quote from: Original_MIB on August 05, 2008, 09:16:58 AM
What all Catholics believe in.
Why not believe in Krishna, Vishnu, or Shiva in case they exist?
Quote from: Original_MIB on August 05, 2008, 09:18:39 AM
It makes sense, like Lawlz's belief that he's God and the World ends when he dies?
No. It's similar pantheistic view that God is the universe and everyone is part of a universal whole.
Quote from: Nyerp on August 05, 2008, 09:20:43 AM
How the fuck does Christianity make the mos sense? psyduck;
It doesn't to you, but I've picked out in Christianity what makes sense to me. It has Philosiphies of life that make the World a better place. Which is why the majority has chosen to believe in God.
Quote from: Khadafi on August 05, 2008, 09:22:16 AM
Why not believe in Krishna, Vishnu, or Shiva in case they exist?No. It's similar pantheistic view that God is the universe and everyone is part of a universal whole.
Oh, well I guess I believe in what Clucky believes in, kind of...
Anyway, look at my reply to Nyerp's post.
oh my god "world" is not a proper noun stop fucking capitalizing it
Quote from: Original_MIB on August 05, 2008, 09:23:14 AM
It doesn't to you, but I've picked out in Christianity what makes sense to me. It has Philosiphies of life that make the World a better place. Which is why the majority has chosen to believe in God.
The majority hasn't chosen to believe in the Christian [view of] God though–Muslims, Christians, and Jews all believe in the same God, but with different aspects.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/34oxbhx.png)
Now divide those Christians up into Protestant(and subdivide that all up into all of the different sects), Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and one or other two I'm forgetting.
ok better chart
Quote from: Nyerp on August 05, 2008, 09:25:54 AM
oh my god "world" is not a proper noun stop fucking capitalizing it
Stop being fucking ignorant, and reply to my post. God, why does it even matter? Dumbfucks like you should get the fuck out of the Serious Discussion Board.
Quote from: Khadafi on August 05, 2008, 09:26:38 AM
The majority hasn't chosen to believe in the Christian [view of] God thoughâ,“Muslims, Christians, and Jews all believe in the same God, but with different aspects.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/34oxbhx.png)
Now divide those Christians up into Protestant(and subdivide that all up into all of the different sects), Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and one or other two I'm forgetting.
ok better chart
Thanks for that, I never knew. But my opinion still applies, I was just mindlessly stating that it was the most to be chosen.
Quote from: Vostroya on August 05, 2008, 11:15:54 AM
In response to the response to my long post to MIB;
I realized that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not the center of an actual faith. I was putting it next to Christianity and faith-based-upon-carrot-leaves for illustrative purposes.
I don't really understand your thoughts when you say that Christianity and its god must be correct since "a majority" has chosen it. Firstly, as James pointed out, a majority has not chosen Christianity. A majority has chosen institutionalised religion, but the need to adhere to a religion is a basic facet of human culture.
I never said that God must be correct since the "majority" have agreed upon to be Christian. If you looked at my post to one of Nyerp's posts, I said that it's a healthy and positive choice to believe in, since it contains Philosphical states. Which is why the "majority" have chosen to be Christian. I never said that Christianity and its God should be correct since the "majority" has chosen it. Are you trying to make me look stupid? Seriously, I thought you would be more understanding to what I'm saying.
The reason Western civilisation is Christian is not because we are wiser and more caring and loving and have chosen to accept Christianity. It is because through the conquest of various Romans and Greeks before them our culture has been shaped. The reason the Edict of Milan was passed and Christianity made legal in the Roman Empire was because there were a growing amount of adherents to the faith, and this was dividing the citizens of the Empire. By legalising Christianity more citizens could be united under the Empire, and so then wars could be waged in the name of Christianity and there would be abundant citizens ready to enlist in military.
Within a few centuries Christianity was the majority religion of the newly formed Holy Roman Empire, and the Pope was as much a political leader as the Emperor. Thus as this culture spread throughout Europe and eventually with the outcasts that formed the New World, Christianity spread as well, and it has always remained a basic part of our cultural identity.
In conclusion I'd say that your assumption that Christianity is the most valuable religion on the basis of all the people who have allegedly become better people is ridiculous.
What? I'm saying that it a healthy choice. That's all I'm trying to say. I don't care if there's only a few who actually believe in God. Please in all respect, reread what I posted to you. Seriously, I don't even think you understand what I'm trying to say.
Moreover, how the hell do you figure Americans and Europeans and whoever else are the most loving and caring people in the world?
Why are you dividing this into "Americans and Europeans and whoever else"? I'm talking about every organism in the world, like I've stated two times. But anyway, everybody in their minds have a caring spot in their heads, is what I'm saying, and we can't explain it.
I don't really care about the facts behind my religion. All I'm saying that it's a healthy choice and a positive one, which is why many choose to be Christian, or to have a religion.
we can have morals without religion, you know
i think the majority choose to be christian because they feel compelled to do it otherwise society will look down upon them
honestly, just try to count how many teenage sluts wear crosses on their necklaces. they claim to be christian in order to condemn others and make themselves in some way superior, or because they simply fear death. but really, how many actually abide by their supposed faith at all aside from saying "i love jesus"
Quote from: Nyerp on August 05, 2008, 12:01:56 PM
we can have morals without religion, you know
I know, but still. Religion is still healthy. Who really wants a pointless life, knowing that they're accomplishments and everything they've done was nothing. If I was Athiest, I wouldn't give a fuck about anything anymore.
Even though some Athiest will probably say "Why would you believe in a lie?" Well, if I die and don't see a God, I will die knowing the fact that atleast I tried and helped people in my life. I plan on to being a Guidance Counser if my plans as an Artist have fallen, and I think I'll die in my 70's. Helping people even though there's no God, is pointless and I'd rather go on with my selfishness if I was Athiest, rather than helping people. Anyway, why give a fuck about what people believe in? Sure there are some shitty Christians who force their beliefs on to someone, but ignoring them is the way to go.
Athiests in my experience, have always made fun of religion and act like if the world around them, is nothing. Hence the name, The Flying Spaghetti Monster and its popularity.
Quote from: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. on August 05, 2008, 12:06:05 PM
i think the majority choose to be christian because they feel compelled to do it otherwise society will look down upon them
honestly, just try to count how many teenage sluts wear crosses on there necklaces. they claim to be christian in order to condemn others an make themselves in some way superior, or because they simply fear death. but really, how many actually abide by there supposed faith at all aside from saying "i love jesus"
Those people you've just described, are brainwashed Chistians. They don't know why they really believe.
no matter what you believe or don't believe in, what you do does not make a difference
and if you truly wanted to help people it wouldn't matter if you believed in a god or not
Quote from: Nyerp on August 05, 2008, 12:52:33 PM
no matter what you believe or don't believe in, what you do does not make a difference
an if you truly wanted to help people it wouldn't matter if you believed in a god or not
That's what I've stated.
If you believe in God, it's better if you do good, than nothing. But anyway, I just like helping people and I'd do it even though I were Athiest and had a straight mind of the future than tearing it up.
Quote from: Vostroya on August 05, 2008, 01:23:37 PM
MIB, let's drop it, clearly neither of us are grasping the other's argument.
...So you think we're all pawns in a deterministic reality? I disagree strongly with this idea.
Yeah, I thought of it too. But anyway, I agree with what you disagreed with Nyerp.
Most humans are confined to their own little lives and friends and values, and that's all they care about and it's the way to live to them. Therefore, nothing will ever happen that affects humankind or the world. Birth and death is the only thing we can do.
Quote from: Nyerp on August 05, 2008, 02:33:09 PM
Most humans are confined to their own little lives and friends and values, and that's all they care about and it's the way to live to them. Therefore, nothing will ever happen that affects humankind or the world. Birth and death is the only thing we can do.
Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., innovations such as electricity and iron working, etc. etc.
So much has happened which has changed the world and the way humans interact with it
I don't believe in God, it's a bunch of bullshit. I also like how everything is told and not explained in the Bible. Also there was no apple in the garden, the Bible just says FRUIT
If there is no God, how did we, a contingent universe, come to be made?
Quote from: Rycerz on September 05, 2008, 08:27:01 PM
If there is no God, how did we, a contingent universe, come to be made?
dunno, why does it matter
It matters because we care about it. Everyone likes to think about our origins at one point or another in their life.
I don't care much about what religions say what God is, but my view of God is simple, as the creator of the universe. There is nothing objective we can say about it aside from that, and that's where some people try to coerce their subjective beliefs unto others.
Quote from: Rycerz on September 05, 2008, 09:00:12 PM
It matters because we care about it. Everyone likes to think about our origins at one point or another in their life.
I don't care much about what religions say what God is, but my view of God is simple, as the creator of the universe. There is nothing objective we can say about it aside from that, and that's where some people try to coerce their subjective beliefs unto others.
well then how did god get here?
Quote from: Aelia on September 06, 2008, 10:20:19 AM
well then how did god get here?
You see, God is omnipresent and is an omnibeing. So we can question the methods of God, and the only answer we'll get is "Because God willed it" or something.
Quote from: Aelia on September 06, 2008, 10:20:19 AM
well then how did god get here?
you could be asked the same about the universe/earth.
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 06, 2008, 03:22:33 PM
you could be asked the same about the universe/earth.
i'm living in my own dream
Quote from: Aelia on September 06, 2008, 10:20:19 AM
well then how did god get here?
God, being the necessary being for our existence, contains the reason for its existence within itself, and thus must be the Forme of Being.
Quote from: Rycerz on September 07, 2008, 09:57:24 AM
God, being the necessary being for our existence, contains the reason for its existence within itself, and thus must be the Forme of Being.
how did that reason get within itself
Quote from: Clucky on September 07, 2008, 02:32:19 PM
how did that reason get within itself
Is is just is because it is.
how did the universe start? what is it? can it end? how big is it? are there other ones? is there other life? wry
There is no time in God, therefore God must be eternally creating (the alternative is that God is doing nothing, which is not the case we are observing).
The universe entails all of this creation and therefore never has a start or an end, just change.
Since it is eternally changing it has no definitive size.
The strict definition of universe implies that there is only one such realm.
Existence of other forms of life is an almost certain possibility.
Quote from: Rycerz on September 05, 2008, 08:27:01 PM
If there is no God, how did we, a contingent universe, come to be made?
Yes, an omnipotent being creating a universe out of nothing simply through sheer will totally makes perfect sense. I definitely wouldn't bother researching any other theories.
Quote from: Houdini on September 11, 2008, 07:57:36 PM
Yes, an omnipotent being creating a universe out of nothing simply through sheer will totally makes perfect sense. I definitely wouldn't bother researching any other theories.
What's your explanation, then?
why do you have to have a theory? what if some things just can't be explained?
Quote from: PurgatorySurge on September 13, 2008, 12:57:02 PM
why do you have to have a theory? what if some things just can't be explained?
The only things you can't explain are those you don't know.
Therefore, if you knew everything, you could explain them.
Quote from: Rycerz on September 13, 2008, 02:01:24 PM
The only things you can't explain are those you don't know.
Therefore, if you knew everything, you could explain them.
huh? doodthing;
Quote from: PurgatorySurge on September 13, 2008, 02:19:54 PM
huh? doodthing;
If you know something, you can (at the very least) explain that knowledge to yourself. You have a grasp of what it is; you understand it. You are aware of its existence; without that knowledge that thing doesn't exist according to your point of view.
You can't explain things you don't know; therefore, in answer to your previous statement, "what if some things can't be explained?" those things would have to be non-existent, i.e. nothing.
Quote from: Rycerz on September 13, 2008, 04:29:29 PM
If you know something, you can (at the very least) explain that knowledge to yourself. You have a grasp of what it is; you understand it. You are aware of its existence; without that knowledge that thing doesn't exist according to your point of view.
You can't explain things you don't know; therefore, in answer to your previous statement, "what if some things can't be explained?" those things would have to be non-existent, i.e. nothing.
What the hell are you talking about?
We can't explain existence itself and, by definition, existence exists.
Quote from: Khadafi on September 13, 2008, 04:43:50 PM
What the hell are you talking about?
We can't explain existence itself and, by definition, existence exists.
Existence is also defined by its opposite, which is nonexistence. It's similar to how one describes darkness, cold, etc.
Granted, it becomes increasingly difficult to describe such fundamental terms in a technical way, because doing so complicates it with our cumbersome language. Much of the workings of the universe and of our day to day lives are still a mystery, but at some level I believe we understand some of those things instinctively.
While I kind of believe in God, I'm not exactly sure if I'm actually a religion person. I'm not particularly against organized religion, but eh...
just givin my opinion u kno
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 13, 2008, 10:48:54 AM
What's your explanation, then?
I don't have one, but that doesn't make the Christian theory of creation any less silly.
Quote from: Houdini on September 14, 2008, 12:07:41 PM
I don't have one, but that doesn't make the Christian theory of creation any less silly.
2+2 doesn't equal 4. I don't know what it equals, but definitely not 4.
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 14, 2008, 01:53:43 PM
2+2 doesn't equal 4. I don't know what it equals, but definitely not 4.
What
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 14, 2008, 01:53:43 PM
2+2 doesn't equal 4. I don't know what it equals, but definitely not 4.
That's an incredibly stupid analogy. The creation of the universe is extremely ambiguous, whereas arithmetic is among the most absolute things we know. I'd love to see you try to explain why God is the definite answer.
Quote from: Houdini on September 14, 2008, 03:14:46 PM
That's an incredibly stupid analogy. The creation of the universe is extremely ambiguous, whereas arithmetic is among the most absolute things we know. I'd love to see you try to explain why God is the definite answer.
What is the definite answer then? ;)
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 14, 2008, 04:28:39 PM
What is the definite answer then? ;)
right now, where you are is it possible to know?
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 14, 2008, 04:28:39 PM
What is the definite answer then? ;)
Are you retarded? I already said I don't know. Newsflash: Humanity does not currently have the answer to every question in the universe. In fact we know very little. At least I don't pretend to have the answers. You still haven't backed up your view.
No, I don't completely rule out the possibility of a "godlike" being, I highly doubt that one exists, and if one does exist, I doubt it would waste it's time with creating universes and people. I guess could could say that my views on religion are very loose agnosticism.
God doesn't have time, for that would mean God is a finite being, limited by its laws. If God is in time than that would mean God really isn't God as it could not account for time's existence when it is traditionally defined as the source and therefore creator of everything.
Any particular reason for doubting the existence of such a source when there exists the fact that everything we have observed thus far in this universe cannot account for its own existence and thus comes from something else?
Quote from: Houdini on September 14, 2008, 07:28:35 PM
Are you retarded? I already said I don't know. Newsflash: Humanity does not currently have the answer to every question in the universe. In fact we know very little. At least I don't pretend to have the answers. You still haven't backed up your view.
How can you say God didn't create the universe then, if you don't know? doodthing;
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 16, 2008, 04:28:47 PM
How can you say God didn't create the universe then, if you don't know? doodthing;
Because he doesn't know. If you don't know the answer to something, you don't necessarily take the first answer you're given.
Quote from: Flying Circus on September 16, 2008, 05:04:24 PM
Because he doesn't know. If you don't know the answer to something, you don't necessarily take the first answer you're given.
Yeah, the answer is usually C.
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 16, 2008, 04:28:47 PM
How can you say God didn't create the universe then, if you don't know? doodthing;
What he means is that although he doesn't know how exactly the universe was created, there are other theories on how the universe was created. He just simply doesn't believe in the God one.
Quote from: Khadafi on September 16, 2008, 05:32:09 PM
Yeah, the answer is usually C.
wrong bored :/
Quote from: Khadafi on September 16, 2008, 05:32:09 PM
Yeah, the answer is usually C.
That's always my guess too
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 16, 2008, 04:28:47 PM
How can you say God didn't create the universe then, if you don't know? doodthing;
Because it's not a plausible theory. How do you know do you know that any of the other creation myths listed on this page here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth) aren't true? I really wish you would tell me why you think it's plausible that God created the universe.
My mom's really starting to piss me off about this. My family is like.. not highly christian at all. My parents are horirble christians, yet we all still have to go to church every week.
I've been claiming to not want to be a Christian (roman catholic, to be precise) since 5th grade. At the time I said I was going to beocme Buddhist or something, but yeah, now I realize I'm not really all for Buddhism either.
Anyway, the reason it pisses me off; I don't enjoy waking up at 7:30 on every Sunday morning to go to church. So yes, I complain. And every time I complain, my mom tells me I'm just doing it because I'm trying to be different. And as much as I hate bashing people for their religion, I come really fuckingclose to punching my mom in the face and telling her how stupid christianity is everytime she says something along those lines.
Anyway, I guess I could entertain the thought of there being a god, but I'm not going to waste my time on it. We simply don't know. I'm kinda under the impression that we just kinda go to rot in the ground when we die and our minds kinda turn to.. nothing, but hey- if there's a heaven then cool.
I'm not going to devote any of my life trying to get there though. I can be a moral person without doing it with the intention of going to heaven. And I feel I can also be a bad person without worry of going to hell.
I'm simply not moronic enough to devote my life to blind-faith.
so what do you just find worship to be inconvenient doodthing;
Quote from: Houdini on September 17, 2008, 05:48:54 PM
I really wish you would tell me why you think it's plausible that God created the universe.
I wish you would tell me anything else but "I don't know". doodthing;
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 18, 2008, 02:24:30 PM
I wish you would tell me anything else but "I don't know". doodthing;
but he doesnt know
Quote from: Det. ;] on September 18, 2008, 02:24:30 PM
I wish you would tell me anything else but "I don't know". doodthing;
At least I'm honest. I wish you had the guts to back up your own opinion instead of wasting my time.
i wish i was religious because then i would know i was absolutely 100% correct
Quote from: joeinc on September 19, 2008, 09:43:20 PM
i wish i was religious because then i would know i was absolutely 100% correct
It's funny that you say that because religion, specifically Catholicism (which the majority of people seem to be on this board), teaches tolerance.
People's biased opinions come from their own individual person, not religion.
Quote from: Back In '88 on September 22, 2008, 07:20:51 AM
It's funny that you say that because religion, specifically Catholicism (which the majority of people seem to be on this board), teaches tolerance.
People's biased opinions come from their own individual person, not religion.
wasn't it the catholics that had the whole deal with the crusades and the inquisition and damnation to hell for heresy and putting galileo under house arrest
Quote from: Khadafi on September 22, 2008, 07:25:13 AM
wasn't it the catholics that had the whole deal with the crusades and the inquisition and damnation to hell for heresy and putting galileo under house arrest
Isn't it 2008?
Don't politics change over time?
Institutions must adapt with the times, religion is no exception.
Quote from: Back In '88 on September 22, 2008, 07:20:51 AM
It's funny that you say that because religion, specifically Catholicism (which the majority of people seem to be on this board), teaches tolerance.
People's biased opinions come from their own individual person, not religion.
Tolerance means accepting that other people can have beliefs that differ from yours; you still think the beliefs of the religion you belong to are 'right' (if you are a true follower of that religion!) and if their beliefs contradict yours, they're 'wrong'.
If you sealed a person in a bubble away from any sort of outside influence or input whatsoever, they would not be able to form any experiences and, therefore, opinions. Opinions and bias (as if they're really two seperate things, right) do come from society's infuences, and a major part of society is religion.
Quote from: Khadafi on September 22, 2008, 07:25:13 AM
wasn't it the catholics that had the whole deal with the crusades and the inquisition and damnation to hell for heresy and putting galileo under house arrest
wasn't it the atheists like hitler, mao, lenin, and stalin who saw religion as an obstacle to their regimes and therefore ordered widescale holocausts
No side can claim to be innocent, for as history has shown us, there are always going to be selfish, egoistic individuals who use corruption to gain power.
Quote from: Rycerz on September 22, 2008, 09:19:19 AM
wasn't it the atheists like hitler, mao, lenin, and stalin who saw religion as an obstacle to their regimes and therefore ordered widescale holocausts
No side can claim to be innocent, for as history has shown us, there are always going to be selfish, egoistic individuals who use corruption to gain power.
1)I don't know where people get the idea, but Hitler was NOT an atheist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs)
2)Lenin ordered genocides? Since when? I'm almost certain that Lenin was against anti-semitism. Lenin did order attacks and killings against those who opposed the revolution, and a number of them were clergy, but the attacks were not in the name of atheism.
3)Mao Zedong and Stalin were brutal, but they never justified the killings with atheism(unlike things like the inquisition which were solely religiously related).
Here is an interesting thing.
http://ethxblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/hitler-was-vegetarian-stalin-atheist.html
Quote from: Rycerz on September 22, 2008, 09:19:19 AM
Tolerance means accepting that other people can have beliefs that differ from yours; you still think the beliefs of the religion you belong to are 'right' (if you are a true follower of that religion!) and if their beliefs contradict yours, they're 'wrong'.
Tolerance is not just accepting that people are able to have different beliefs from you, but accepting the fact that that is what they believe in and because that's what they choose to believe does not make them wrong.
It is jaded, hypocritical statements like:
QuoteIf their beliefs contradict yours, they're 'wrong'.
... that cause so much bloodshed as a result of religion because everyone thinks they are the ones who are right, which is the exact opposite of what tolerance means.
Quote from: Khadafi on September 22, 2008, 09:39:42 AM
1)I don't know where people get the idea, but Hitler was NOT an atheist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs)
But he did refute religion, essentially saying national socialism and religion do not mix.
Quote from: Khadafi on September 22, 2008, 09:39:42 AM
3)Mao Zedong and Stalin were brutal, but they never justified the killings with atheism(unlike things like the inquisition which were solely religiously related).
Here is an interesting thing.
http://ethxblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/hitler-was-vegetarian-stalin-atheist.html
Well it's kind of hard to use atheism as a unifying force considering it is not organized... Their only objective is more power. Religion is too democratic when multiple ones exist, so for dictators the easiest path to gaining more power is to either abolish the entire concept or try to institute a state religion with themselves at the top (i.e. Henry VIII).
Quote from: Back In '88 on September 22, 2008, 10:28:34 AM
Tolerance is not just accepting that people are able to have different beliefs from you, but accepting the fact that that is what they believe in and because that's what they choose to believe does not make them wrong.
It is jaded, hypocritical statements like:
... that cause so much bloodshed as a result of religion because everyone thinks they are the ones who are right, which is the exact opposite of what tolerance means.
Umm, no. If I believe killing is wrong, but someone else I know of believes killing is right, do I think he is right? No, because I do not share his belief, which is exactly the opposite of what I think to be right, and therefore, from my point of view, his belief about killing must be wrong.
Quote from: Khadafi on September 22, 2008, 09:39:42 AM
1)I don't know where people get the idea, but Hitler was NOT an atheist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs)
Alright, so he wasn't an atheist in the strict sense, but he definitely would not belong to Christianity or Islam through his actions.
Quote2)Lenin ordered genocides? Since when? I'm almost certain that Lenin was against anti-semitism. Lenin did order attacks and killings against those who opposed the revolution, and a number of them were clergy, but the attacks were not in the name of atheism.
Yeah, I'm sure the Red Terror was just some derogatory propaganda.
[QUOTE]3)Mao Zedong and Stalin were brutal, but they never justified the killings with atheism(unlike things like the inquisition which were solely religiously related).
Here is an interesting thing.
http://ethxblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/hitler-was-vegetarian-stalin-atheist.html[/quote]
It doesn't matter if they didn't those horrible things in the name of atheism, since it's not an organization. My point was that no matter what philosophy people hold, evil cannot be attributed to that philosophy as its source.
Quote from: Rycerz on September 22, 2008, 02:19:48 PM
Yeah, I'm sure the Red Terror was just some derogatory propaganda.
but the red terror wasnt a "widescale holocaust" against religion, which you said was an obstacle to lenin's regime
Quote from: Ezlo on September 22, 2008, 04:14:00 PM
but the red terror wasnt a "widescale holocaust" against religion, which you said was an obstacle to lenin's regime
it was
read about it
Quote from: Rycerz on September 22, 2008, 04:52:30 PM
it was
read about it
"Do not look in the file of incriminating evidence to see whether or not the accused rose up against the Soviets with arms or words. Ask him instead to which class he belongs, what is his background, his education, his profession. These are the questions that will determine the fate of the accused. That is the meaning and essence of the Red Terror."
what
Quote from: Ezlo on September 22, 2008, 04:54:29 PM
"Do not look in the file of incriminating evidence to see whether or not the accused rose up against the Soviets with arms or words. Ask him instead to which class he belongs, what is his background, his education, his profession. These are the questions that will determine the fate of the accused. That is the meaning and essence of the Red Terror."
what
"The Red Terror was claimed to be introduced in reply to White Terror. The stated purpose of this campaign was struggle with counter-revolutionaries considered to be enemies of the people. Many Russian communists openly proclaimed that Red Terror was needed for extermination of entire social groups or former "ruling classes". Lenin planned the terror in advance. In 1908 he had written of "real, nation-wide terror, which reinvigorates the country".[6] Communist leader Grigory Zinoviev declared in September 1918:
"To overcome of our enemies we must have our own socialist militarism. We must carry along with us 90 million out of the 100 million of Soviet Russia's population. As for the rest, we have nothing to say to them. They must be annihilated."[7]
For many people the major evidence of their guilt was their social status rather than actual deeds. Martin Latsis, chief of the Ukrainian Cheka, explained in newspaper "Red Terror":
"Do not look in the file of incriminating evidence to see whether or not the accused rose up against the Soviets with arms or words. Ask him instead to which class he belongs, what is his background, his education, his profession. These are the questions that will determine the fate of the accused. That is the meaning and essence of the Red Terror."[8]"
If one of the goals of a communistic society is to abolish religion, what do you think was one of the factors in determining the so called enemies of the russian communist government
I do not because the principle of a God is to have morals
So no, I won't put my belief in God, or a God, because ultimately they're not going make me a better person, and I'm able to make my own choices,even if they are morally wrong, to benefit myself or others by my own free will. Not following some fucking rule book, cuz they're are no real laws, I'm free to do as I please.
But because I'm in the US I'm suppressed to follow rules or else I will face consequences.
Rules are in place to make things fair, to give everyone a chance. If there were no rules, the strong would eat the weak, and that's where your God steps in.
I don't know if I was able to express my view in words well, so I may sound retarded, but my mindset is clear. And I'd have to go into further explanation.
Bottom line, I don't believe in an afterlife, so if you do something wrong I don't believe you go to hell, so then I don't see it as being wrong in the first place. WE'RE ANIMALS.
no. I don't believe in god, and I am happy doodhuh;
I don't know. I like to think that there is a God and when we die we all live on in an afterlife, but I have no clue if that's true or not, obviously. I don't bother myself thinking about it, because I don't see the point.
It depends on how you were raised. I didn't go to church after 3rd grade and I'm now in 11th. Once I hit 8th and learned how the church was wrong at one point about how the universe revolved around the Earth, I decided that there couldn't be a God. After learning that there are older religions that Christianity in AP World History and the theory of evolution (don't pull any of that "it's a
theory, not proven" crap, the same can be said about God) [both in 9th] it pretty much sealed my faith, or rather, lack of. I mean, there
could be a God, but unless I see proof, then I'm not buying it.
Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 04:30:48 PM
There is no way of proving God. Christianity is revolved around faith. You have to have faith that God is there, and if you don't, then you don't.
That reminds me of a post I saw on /b/ the other day about Agnosticism. They said Atheists would be screwed, but if you have a questionable faith in God, then there's no way you're getting into Heaven-A semi-faith isn't going to get you spared.
"Whatever floats your boat."
I used to, but then some of it's ethics didn't appeal to me.
You see, Christianity may have worked
effectively before the 21st century, but times are changing and Christianity merely impedes cultural/scientific progress IMO.
Someone on /b/ asked the same thing before and someone replied
Quote
The Bible is the best-selling Fanfic of all time
I lmao'd.
i changed my answer to no
Quote from: Ezlo on November 24, 2008, 02:10:34 PM
i changed my answer to no
Chalk another one up for Boyah
Christianity is a joke. The End.
I do believe in a god, though.
I don't believe in God but I AM pro-religion. It helps grow good morals, not that you can't achieve them without it. It clouds too many peoles minds, makes some people crazy, but makes most happy. Do what makes you happy, but please give others thteir privacy.
Quote from: :atomsk: on December 09, 2008, 08:52:35 AM
I don't believe in God but I AM pro-religion. It helps grow good morals, not that you can't achieve them without it. It clouds too many peoles minds, makes some people crazy, but makes most happy. Do what makes you happy, but please give others thteir privacy.
My respect for you just skyrocketed sillydood;
Quote from: :atomsk: on December 09, 2008, 08:52:35 AM
I don't believe in God but I AM pro-religion. It helps grow good morals, not that you can't achieve them without it. It clouds too many peoles minds, makes some people crazy, but makes most happy. Do what makes you happy, but please give others thteir privacy.
...Did someone delete my reply to this or did it just never go through or something?
Quote from: Sam on December 09, 2008, 01:33:22 PM
...Did someone delete my reply to this or did it just never go through or something?
Didn't go through.
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 09, 2008, 01:34:55 PM
Didn't go through.
God dammit. I don't even remember what I wrote.
Well, I'll try.
Quote from: :atomsk: on December 09, 2008, 08:52:35 AM
I don't believe in God but I AM pro-religion. It helps grow good morals, not that you can't achieve them without it. It clouds too many peoles minds, makes some people crazy, but makes most happy. Do what makes you happy, but please give others thteir privacy.
Alright, now, as I was saying- I mostly agree with you. I do think having any form of faith is healthy and can be healing. Just having something to believe in is important. Thing is, if you can't bring yourself to believe, pretending to believe simply isn't going to help at all.
I can say I love God and pray everyday, but it's not going to do shit unless I actually believe. And at this point, I've thought way too hard about the subject to throw my life into blind faith now.
But I do agree with you in that I would never bash someone elses religion. People deserve to believe what they want to believe, and who am I to stop them? I won't even share my religious beliefs unless someone insists it.
i just want to add that my teacher called me weird today for not having seen god in my life.
Quote from: Sam on December 17, 2008, 08:23:36 PM
i just want to add that my teacher called me weird today for not having seen god in my life.
it's nice of him to put his job on the line like that
Quote from: YPR on December 17, 2008, 08:28:05 PM
it's nice of him to put his job on the line like that
her, she's my choir director. she's really religious and since half of the music we do is old roman catholic stuff and gospel music (most of which I don't even like the sound of), the subject comes up a lot. She tries to put us in a certain frame of mind so we sing better and we understand what the piece is about. Today she was talking about "The Color Purble" and her specific wording was "...everyone sees God at some point in their lives, if you haven't then you're just.. weird."
Quote from: Sam on December 17, 2008, 08:30:42 PM
her, she's my choir director. she's really religious and since half of the music we do is old roman catholic stuff and gospel music (most of which I don't even like the sound of), the subject comes up a lot. She tries to put us in a certain frame of mind so we sing better and we understand what the piece is about. Today she was talking about "The Color Purble" and her specific wording was "...everyone sees God at some point in their lives, if you haven't then you're just.. weird."
or perhaps nonreligious or part of a religion that isn't Abrahamic
well, i'm not religious but i still attend church regularly and i see god there every week
he sits in the center pews and wears sunglasses and hawaiian shirts baddood;
I saw God, he was played by Morgan Freeman. giggle;
Not really. No. Church kinda ruined it for me, ironically.
Quote from: Lrh on December 18, 2008, 06:40:33 AM
Not really. No. Church kinda ruined it for me, ironically.
For me it was church and CCD twice a week for 15 years
Quote from: Lrh on December 18, 2008, 06:40:33 AM
Not really. No. Church kinda ruined it for me, ironically.
Same. I went to church for 13 years and went to a private school until high school.
I think it also depends on the church you go to... Priests preach differently in different places, so the lectures can be more fire and brimstone or more peaceful depending on which the priest feels will get his congregation motivated.
Aubrey, I just need to know HOW you could believe it. Doesn't it sound like rubbish to you?
Quote from: Tyler on December 20, 2008, 03:00:29 AM
Aubrey, I just need to know HOW you could believe it. Doesn't it sound like rubbish to you?
probably not no but i mean that's just a guess akudood;
Quote from: Tyler on December 20, 2008, 03:00:29 AM
Aubrey, I just need to know HOW you could believe it. Doesn't it sound like rubbish to you?
When was the last time you went to church?
God prevents me from having simple rights I deserve. ^_________^
Quote from: Tyler on December 20, 2008, 03:00:29 AM
Aubrey, I just need to know HOW you could believe it. Doesn't it sound like rubbish to you?
I don't know... the idea of a loving creator who rewards the moral sounds good to me.
Quote from: Nyerp on December 20, 2008, 07:44:55 AM
God prevents me from having simple rights I deserve. ^_________^
Maybe if we try
really hard, we'll magically become heterosexuals and he'll love us. ^_________^
Quote from: ME86 on December 20, 2008, 08:25:25 AM
Maybe if we try really hard, we'll magically become heterosexuals and he'll love us. ^_________^
Nnnnnrgh...tits...vagina...did it work? Are you there God? It's me, Nyerp.
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 20, 2008, 09:33:05 AM
Last month!
Hah, you?
I don't believe in God, why would I go?
I'm pretty sure, until at least recently Tyler frequently went to church, which is what the question was about. Unless you go to Church/Mass/w.e weekly you really can't get on people for how frequently or infrequently they go to church.
Do you really expect Tyler to go every week to a place that basically tells him he's going to suffer in Hell for eternity for how he was born?
Quote from: Frutta Procione on December 20, 2008, 09:48:49 AM
I don't believe in God, why would I go?
I'm pretty sure, until at least recently Tyler frequently went to church, which is what the question was about. Unless you go to Church/Mass/w.e weekly you really can't get on people for how frequently or infrequently they go to church.
Do you really expect Tyler to go every week to a place that basically tells him he's going to suffer in Hell for eternity for how he was born?
What the fuck is your problem, it was just a simple, innocent question, and it wasn't even directed toward you. doodhuh;
I wasn't going to bitch at him or anything, I just wanted to know.
I go to church when I'm not working. Maybe 4 or 5 times a month.
I do it to humor my mother. The preacher knows, because she sent me to a counseling service when I first came out.
Every time I go in, do you know what he brings up?
Do you know he's tried to arrange dates with girls for me, including his own daughter (the poor thing. I bet she gets put in these situations all the time)?
The idea that an "all loving, all knowing" entity will send me to hell for something I was born with doesn't seem all that compassionate to me. If he was truly as good as the Christian people make him out to be, why do you suppose all the bad things happening in the world are going on as we speak.
Don't give me the "It's a test from God" bullshit. Just don't. Over and over and over, further proof that God would take care of his people, but won't.
Quote from: Tyler on December 20, 2008, 10:28:23 AM
Do you know he's tried to arrange dates with girls for me, including his own daughter (the poor thing. I bet she gets put in these situations all the time)?
Awww. :(
Maybe she thinks you're a cutie and asked him to do that. ;)
Well, so you're obviously not Catholic, what kind of church do you go to?
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 20, 2008, 10:43:34 AM
Awww. :(
Maybe she thinks you're a cutie and asked him to do that. ;)
Well, so you're obviously not Catholic, what kind of church do you go to?
Church of Christ.
I don't go- my mother does. I just tag along when she wants me to.
Also, she finally admits she knows homosexuality is something a person is born with. giggle;
Quote from: Tyler on December 20, 2008, 10:45:36 AM
Church of Christ.
I don't go- my mother does. I just tag along when she wants me to.
Also, she finally admits she knows homosexuality is something a person is born with. giggle;
what did you get her for christmas hocuspocus;
A few books, a necklace and I'll be ordering flowers due Christmas eve.
Something else I thought about it, the first time I told my mom I didmn't like christianity and was going to become Buddhist (5th or 6th grade), I said "I do the thigns I do because I'm a good person and want to be able to feel good about myself, not so I can get the approval of someone I don't know who made some sort of guidelines I have ti follow.
And you know, I realized when I decided god wasn't real. It was when I found out santa wasn't real. It was also about the same time I was studying the greek gods in school, and my teacher was laughing about how stupid they all were, believing Zeus created lighting. It bothers me how wrong people are all the time and they don't even notice it.
And I just do not understand the purpose of Christianity. I believe Oprah got in a fight over this at one point, but what about people in third-world countries who have never even heard of Christianity? Do they have no chance of getting into heaven because they don't pray or go to church or complete the sacraments? How about Jews? they don't believe in Jesus, can they still get into heaven? there are SO MANY different religions in the world. Most of them do not agree on the same god. If there is one God, as in Catholicism, how can he allow such a thing? Why can't he miraculously spread his light down on them and show them the right way?
Nothing adds up in Christianity. I mean, on the surface everything does. Priests and my hippie youth ministers can make up stuff to cover any question you've got. "God created everything. He gave us free will so we can do whatever we want but we still have to be good to get to heaven!" crap
And then you get into all the predetermined destiny crap. That's something Christians never seem to agree on. he gave us free will so we could live our lives however we want? Or does God create a plan for all of us?
Blah, I hate to admit it, but I do look down on people who are religious. I just do. And I'm sorry to whoever this insults, but it's true. It's not like I would ever get into arguments about religion unless someone else started them, because it's completely stupid, but I really think religious people, especially catholics (because those are the poeple I'm most familiar with) are juist plain ignorant. They either believe in something because they want something to believe in (no matter how sincere it is), their family believes in it, or can't derive direction in their lives on their own. I don't need that, nor do I want it
wow that post was a lot longer than I thought it would be.
Quote from: YPR on December 20, 2008, 07:48:11 AM
I don't know... the idea of a loving creator who rewards the moral sounds good to me.
"He stood there with his back to me for quite a long time. His presence was grating and oppressive. I was just about to tell him to go, to leave me alone, when all of a sudden, turning toward me, he burst out, 'No, I reguse to belive you! I know at one time or another you've wished for another life.' I said of course I had, but it didn't mean any more than wishing to be rich, to be able to swim faster, or to have a more nicely shaped mouth. It was all the same."
The Stranger, Albert Camus
Quote from: Sam on December 20, 2008, 08:16:55 PM
And I just do not understand the purpose of Christianity. I believe Oprah got in a fight over this at one point, but what about people in third-world countries who have never even heard of Christianity? Do they have no chance of getting into heaven because they don't pray or go to church or complete the sacraments? How about Jews? they don't believe in Jesus, can they still get into heaven? there are SO MANY different religions in the world. Most of them do not agree on the same god. If there is one God, as in Catholicism, how can he allow such a thing? Why can't he miraculously spread his light down on them and show them the right way?
Uh, the thing that keeps people going in the third world is religion. psyduck;
Quote from: Tyler on December 20, 2008, 10:28:23 AM
If he was truly as good as the Christian people make him out to be, why do you suppose all the bad things happening in the world are going on as we speak.
Don't give me the "It's a test from God" bullshit. Just don't. Over and over and over, further proof that God would take care of his people, but won't.
It's not a test from God, it's people that cause those terrible things. He gave people free will, the world can be as happy a place as humanity chooses to make it
Quote from: Sam on December 20, 2008, 08:29:12 PM
"He stood there with his back to me for quite a long time. His presence was grating and oppressive. I was just about to tell him to go, to leave me alone, when all of a sudden, turning toward me, he burst out, 'No, I reguse to belive you! I know at one time or another you've wished for another life.' I said of course I had, but it didn't mean any more than wishing to be rich, to be able to swim faster, or to have a more nicely shaped mouth. It was all the same."
The Stranger, Albert Camus
Uh, ok
Quote from: YPR on December 21, 2008, 10:11:38 AM
It's not a test from God, it's people that cause those terrible things. He gave people free will, the world can be as happy a place as humanity chooses to make it
I choose for the world to be happy and carefree therefore it is.
Humanity is not one being. People have clashing ideas on ideal lives. What good is free will when there are always other willing to cut down whatever choices you decide to make?
Quote from: Sam on December 21, 2008, 10:40:18 AM
Humanity is not one being. People have clashing ideas on ideal lives. What good is free will when there are always other willing to cut down whatever choices you decide to make?
Well, obviously, that's why I chose to use the word humanity, because it applies to more than one person.
Quote from: YPR on December 21, 2008, 10:43:22 AM
Well, obviously, that's why I chose to use the word humanity, because it applies to more than one person.
It's still not humanity who brings the world up and down, it's individuals.
Each person is so extremely different with different idealizations and morals and such that categorizing them all into 'humanity' in a situation like this just doesn't make much sense.
Quote from: YPR on December 21, 2008, 10:25:47 AM
Uh, ok
the point is sure, it'd be cool if there was an all-powerul dude who could control everything and make sure we're all taken care of after death, but that doesn't make it true. You didn't really answer how you believe in god, just why.
Quote from: Sam on December 21, 2008, 10:55:35 AM
It's still not humanity who brings the world up and down, it's individuals.
Each person is so extremely different with different idealizations and morals and such that categorizing them all into 'humanity' in a situation like this just doesn't make much sense..
How doesn't it make sense? It takes every person, therefore humanity, to make the world a better place. One bad apple spoils the whole bunch, as it were.
Quote from: Sam on December 21, 2008, 10:55:35 AM
the point is sure, it'd be cool if there was an all-powerul dude who could control everything and make sure we're all taken care of after death, but that doesn't make it true. You didn't really answer how you believe in god, just why.
Um, how does the answer "I just do" suit you?
Quote from: Sam on December 21, 2008, 10:40:18 AM
I choose for the world to be happy and carefree therefore it is.
Humanity is not one being. People have clashing ideas on ideal lives. What good is free will when there are always other willing to cut down whatever choices you decide to make?
"Be the change you seek in your world" -Mahatma Gandhi.
Quote from: YPR on December 21, 2008, 06:06:26 PM
How doesn't it make sense? It takes every person, therefore humanity, to make the world a better place. One bad apple spoils the whole bunch, as it were.
Um, how does the answer "I just do" suit you?
As to the first question, it's really not that I'm disagreeing with you, I'm just looking at it in a different direction.
And yeah, "I just do" is really the only acceptable answer to a question like that. It wasn't my question to begin with though, someone else asked it.
Quote from: Sam on December 22, 2008, 07:25:59 PM
As to the first question, it's really not that I'm disagreeing with you, I'm just looking at it in a different direction.
And yeah, "I just do" is really the only acceptable answer to a question like that. It wasn't my question to begin with though, someone else asked it.
Ok
Yeah, I don't really know any other way to answer it either
Ok, I know this is straying from the main topic that you guys (and gals bassir;) are talking about, but I want to include my opinion on Atheists who use some stupid, stupid reasons to prove that God doesn't exist.
I'm an Atheist, and I'm not trying to be rude towards other Atheists.
Okay, here goes -
One time I was stuck between a heated argument at church (when I actually used to go, n_u) with a newbie who was Atheist and a rather devout Christian teen. After a while, I could see that the Theist was winning, because the Atheist was starting to stutter and use some pretty bad examples. For example, this is one of his arguments (and one I see a lot in interweb discussions) -
Atheist - "Yeah well if God is supposed to make everyone happy (bad argument right there), then why does he create wars? Plagues? Destroy good people's homes and settlements?"
Theist - "Because He is equal and fair to all - He is unbiased to everyone, and will reward or punish someone according to his or her actions."
Atheist - "If he's unbiased, then why does he let child molesters get away with their crimes? Or even murders? What about people who are bad their entire lives? I've heard of someone who was a hard criminal and he won a lot of money in a lottery? How about that? How about kindhearted people who care only for others and think of others? Why do they face the most horrible endings? That leads me to the Holocaust. Why did God let the Holocaust happen?"
At this point I just wanted to shout, "STFU, freakin' read the Bible before arguing, ever heard of background information? You would've shut up minutes ago if you had read the Book of Job, or the other various verses scattered throughout the Bible that deal with loss, death, or God's views on people/ideas."
...boy, that was quite a rant. bassir;
why was there an atheist at church??
Quote from: l a c e y on December 24, 2008, 09:35:38 AM
why was there an atheist at church??
because they don't want to anger their parents or something like that
Quote from: YPR on December 24, 2008, 09:39:40 AM
because they don't want to anger their parents or something like that
who even cares.
if i didn't believe in god i wouldn't care what my parents thought.
i wouldn't go.
Quote from: l a c e y on December 24, 2008, 09:55:20 AM
who even cares.
if i didn't believe in god i wouldn't care what my parents thought.
i wouldn't go.
Sticking by what you believe, I like that n_u
Quote from: l a c e y on December 24, 2008, 09:55:20 AM
who even cares.
if i didn't believe in god i wouldn't care what my parents thought.
i wouldn't go.
so now you're saying atheists are just rebellious people
Quote from: â,,†Ezloâ,,† on December 24, 2008, 10:24:53 AM
so now you're saying atheists are just rebellious people
no i'm saying if your to believe in something or not believe in anything don't be an idiot and go to church.
Quote from: l a c e y on December 24, 2008, 10:35:09 AM
no i'm saying if your to believe in something or not believe in anything don't be an idiot and go to church.
people can make decisions on whatever they feel like, and if they wanted to be with their family and go to church (even if that person is an atheist) then that's fine by me
Quote from: â,,†Ezloâ,,† on December 24, 2008, 10:37:45 AM
people can make decisions on whatever they feel like, and if they wanted to be with their family and go to church (even if that person is an atheist) then that's fine by me
well if they're receiving communion, then that's a problem
Quote from: YPR on December 24, 2008, 10:38:47 AM
well if they're receiving communion, then that's a problem
yah a big problem.
Quote from: YPR on December 24, 2008, 10:38:47 AM
well if they're receiving communion, then that's a problem
they dont have to
Quote from: YPR on December 24, 2008, 10:38:47 AM
well if they're receiving communion, then that's a problem
whoops n_u
Quote from: â,,†Ezloâ,,† on December 24, 2008, 12:01:01 PM
I have to admit, Jesus tastes pretty good.
I just realized that during Communion, Christians become cannibals and vampires all in one
Quote from: YPR on December 24, 2008, 10:38:47 AM
well if they're receiving communion, then that's a problem
they can just stay sitting, luls, nobody's obligated to get up
Quote from: Terran SCV on December 24, 2008, 01:12:18 PM
I just realized that during Communion, Christians become cannibals and vampires all in one
haha wow that's the first time i've ever heard that! n_u
Quote from: YPR on December 24, 2008, 10:38:47 AM
well if they're receiving communion, then that's a problem
yeah, I think I would be offended by that if I was christian. To me it doesn't matter because.. it's just a little wafer thingy to me.
But at the same time, my mom makes me go every week, and if I ever refused to get communion, oh boy she would throw a fit. So I don't know what else to do.
Quote from: Sam on December 24, 2008, 08:29:48 PM
But at the same time, my mom makes me go every week, and if I ever refused to get communion, oh boy she would throw a fit. So I don't know what else to do.
uh, don't take it and let her throw a fit
Quote from: Sam on December 24, 2008, 08:29:48 PM
yeah, I think I would be offended by that if I was christian. To me it doesn't matter because.. it's just a little wafer thingy to me.
But at the same time, my mom makes me go every week, and if I ever refused to get communion, oh boy she would throw a fit. So I don't know what else to do.
How many more months until you're an adult again?
If I were you and I REALLY opposed getting communion, I would just sit down and talk to her about it. Be like "don't you find it offensive that I don't believe in God, yet am recieveing the body of his son?"
Or you could just wait until you're eighteen and tell her you have the freedom of religion and don't have to go to church anymore. doodhuh;
Quote from: YPR on December 24, 2008, 08:32:24 PM
uh, don't take it and let her throw a fit
Look, it's not worth it to me. Nobody at church knows that I don't believe in it, so I'm not really offending anyone except maybe my family, but they apparently don't care since I'm forced to go as it is. I'm not going to endure my mom's nagging for nothing.
So no.
Quote from: Sam on December 25, 2008, 06:21:45 PM
Look, it's not worth it to me. Nobody at church knows that I don't believe in it, so I'm not really offending anyone except maybe my family, but they apparently don't care since I'm forced to go as it is. I'm not going to endure my mom's nagging for nothing.
So no.
I told my family I believed in evolution and they stopped talking to me about God for months
Until today...sheesh, so much for a BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR JESUS
Quote from: Sam on December 25, 2008, 06:21:45 PM
Look, it's not worth it to me. Nobody at church knows that I don't believe in it, so I'm not really offending anyone except maybe my family, but they apparently don't care since I'm forced to go as it is. I'm not going to endure my mom's nagging for nothing.
So no.
It's still disrespectful
Quote from: YPR on December 26, 2008, 10:31:42 AM
It's still disrespectful
To who? The parishoners who aren't even aware of my situation, or to the God I don't believe in?
Quote from: Sam on December 26, 2008, 10:38:17 AM
To who? The parishoners who aren't even aware of my situation, or to the God I don't believe in?
To Christians in general...
if one spits on a statue of Buddha, for example, it's still disrespectful whether or not there are any Buddhists witnessing it.
Quote from: YPR on December 26, 2008, 10:56:13 AM
To Christians in general...
if one spits on a statue of Buddha, for example, it's still disrespectful whether or not there are any Buddhists witnessing it.
...But if no Buddhists know about it, no body is offended. The only person who is being 'harmed' is the spitter. Or their conscience at least.
And since I personally don't care whether or not I eat a little rice wafer (I actually kinda like the way they taste), I'm fine with that.
I'm sorry YPR, but no matter how disrespectful I'm being, it's still not worth it to get into yet another religion argument with my parents.
Quote from: Sam on December 26, 2008, 04:47:14 PM
...But if no Buddhists know about it, no body is offended. The only person who is being 'harmed' is the spitter. Or their conscience at least.
And since I personally don't care whether or not I eat a little rice wafer (I actually kinda like the way they taste), I'm fine with that.
I'm sorry YPR, but no matter how disrespectful I'm being, it's still not worth it to get into yet another religion argument with my parents.
I would think eating the communion would be disrespectful to yourself.
How I see it is like, if some bully threatens for your lunch money everyday and if you don't hand it over they'll beat you up. It's like you're just giving your money to them to avoid getting beaten up, but unless you stand up for yourself, you're still losing.
Quote from: ÎεάÏ,ολις on December 26, 2008, 06:23:18 PM
I would think eating the communion would be disrespectful to yourself.
How I see it is like, if some bully threatens for your lunch money everyday and if you don't hand it over they'll beat you up. It's like you're just giving your money to them to avoid getting beaten up, but unless you stand up for yourself, you're still losing.
No, I'm losing by going to church every week. Getting communion is just part of church.
I really don't know what I believe anymore. I used to be one of those asshole atheists who pretty much denied everything, but I just don't care anymore. I'm not atheist, I'm just nonreligious. Once in a while a conversation about religion will come up with my friends, but I just say that I don't really believe in anything, and that I especially don't believe in organized religion and pushing one's religion onto another person.
In other words, I don't believe in God. I think I may have posted in this thread before, but I'm not really sure.
Quote from: Red Lightning on December 26, 2008, 06:55:59 PM
I really don't know what I believe anymore. I used to be one of those asshole atheists who pretty much denied everything, but I just don't care anymore. I'm not atheist, I'm just nonreligious. Once in a while a conversation about religion will come up with my friends, but I just say that I don't really believe in anything, and that I especially don't believe in organized religion and pushing one's religion onto another person.
In other words, I don't believe in God. I think I may have posted in this thread before, but I'm not really sure.
yeah that's pretty much my big reason for everything.
I just find church so boring and a big waste of time. I remember when I used to go and I would fall asleep during mass. I also remember once asking my dad if I could take a pillow and blanket to church... Of course he said no. lol
I haven't been to church in years, and haven't gone there every week since I made confirmation in 5th grade.
Quote from: Red Lightning on December 26, 2008, 07:14:24 PM
I made confirmation in 5th grade.
What? 5th grade? akudood;
Quote from: ÎεάÏ,ολις on December 26, 2008, 07:26:23 PM
What? 5th grade? akudood;
I think so. Maybe it was 6th grade. Too long ago to remember.
lol >.<
Quote from: ÎεάÏ,ολις on December 26, 2008, 06:23:18 PM
I would think eating the communion would be disrespectful to yourself.
How I see it is like, if some bully threatens for your lunch money everyday and if you don't hand it over they'll beat you up. It's like you're just giving your money to them to avoid getting beaten up, but unless you stand up for yourself, you're still losing.
If some bully threatens to beat your ass and you eat his crackers, I don't see a problem.
Quote from: Red Lightning on December 26, 2008, 07:43:40 PM
I think so. Maybe it was 6th grade. Too long ago to remember.
i got confirmed in like grade nine.
then i stopped going to church for like two years.
and then i got a call this summer cause they needed a part time sunday school teacher.
so now im a sunday school teacher every other sunday...
and i hardly know anything about the bible and stuff.
like i know a few key things..
Quote from: l a c e y on December 26, 2008, 09:48:12 PM
i got confirmed in like grade nine.
then i stopped going to church for like two years.
and then i got a call this summer cause they needed a part time sunday school teacher.
so now im a sunday school teacher every other sunday...
and i hardly know anything about the bible and stuff.
like i know a few key things..
Huh. Maybe Catholics get confirmed at a younger age. I don't know. I remember being confirmed in elementary school, though.
Quote from: Red Lightning on December 26, 2008, 09:52:43 PM
Huh. Maybe Catholics get confirmed at a younger age. I don't know. I remember being confirmed in elementary school, though.
I got confirmed in grade 8.
The classes are what made me stop believing in God.
Hmmm... maybe I'm thinking of reconciliation? doodhuh;
I never had to attend church. spam;
My mom just made me read the Bible, which I read the whole thing. hocuspocus;
Quote from: Frutta Procione on December 26, 2008, 10:21:41 PM
I never had to attend church. spam;
My mom just made me read the Bible, which I read the whole thing. hocuspocus;
I've never actually read from the Bible. Actually, maybe once. I don't remember what it was about, though.
Quote from: Red Lightning on December 26, 2008, 10:23:23 PM
I've never actually read from the Bible. Actually, maybe once. I don't remember what it was about, though.
The Bible is awesomely disturbing. baddood;
QuoteGenesis 19:30-38 (King James Version)
30And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
31And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
37And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
38And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.
Quote2 Kings 2:23-24
And he went up from thence unto Beth-el: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Quote from: Red Lightning on December 26, 2008, 10:21:17 PM
Hmmm... maybe I'm thinking of reconciliation? doodhuh;
I don't know, I had Reconciliation and First Communion both in second grade.
I don't remember anything that was religiously significant that happened to me in fifth grade.
Quote from: Frutta Procione on December 26, 2008, 10:28:18 PM
The Bible is awesomely disturbing. baddood;
Haha, my friend Michael showed me the she-bear passage once when we were in a Christian bookstore mocking the Bible.
Quote from: Λoζαλ on December 26, 2008, 10:30:08 PM
I don't know, I had Reconciliation and First Communion both in second grade.
I don't remember anything that was religiously significant that happened to me in fifth grade.Haha, my friend Michael showed me the she-bear passage once when we were in a Christian bookstore mocking the Bible.
I remember having my First Communion in 2nd grade. I think I had Reconciliation in 4th grade and Confirmation in 5th or 6th grade. I could've sworn I had it before 9/11, in any case.
Quote from: Frutta Procione on December 26, 2008, 10:21:41 PM
I never had to attend church. spam;
My mom just made me read the Bible, which I read the whole thing. hocuspocus;
i accidentally the whole bible
The only part of the bible I've ever read is Genesis 19. bassir;
Quote from: Red Lightning on December 26, 2008, 10:34:41 PM
I remember having my First Communion in 2nd grade. I think I had Reconciliation in 4th grade and Confirmation in 5th or 6th grade. I could've sworn I had it before 9/11, in any case.
Hmm, to what denomination of Christianity do you belong?
Quote from: Λoζαλ on December 26, 2008, 10:42:27 PM
Hmm, to what denomination of Christianity do you belong?
Roman Catholic
Quote from: Red Lightning on December 26, 2008, 10:46:55 PM
Roman Catholic
Oh. I used to be Roman Catholic, so I don't know.
I suppose your church is just weird or something.
Quote from: Λoζαλ on December 26, 2008, 10:50:10 PM
Oh. I used to be Roman Catholic, so I don't know.
I suppose your church is just weird or something.
Well same here. I haven't gone to church in years. Funny thing is, I needed a letter of recommendation from my priest for eagle scout, and even though I haven't been to church in the longest time, he still gave me one! doodella;
That priest was always pretty cool. But we're talking about Catholic priests here, so it's best to not get too complacent.
Quote from: Red Lightning on December 26, 2008, 10:53:33 PM
Well same here. I haven't gone to church in years. Funny thing is, I needed a letter of recommendation from my priest for eagle scout, and even though I haven't been to church in the longest time, he still gave me one! doodella;
That priest was always pretty cool. But we're talking about Catholic priests here, so it's best to not get too complacent.
Oh, wow. He must be a nice person, but still, I agree. We're talking about priests, so eh.
It's shitty in itself that you need to be Christian to be a boy scout.
what about girlscouts
Quote from: Frutta Procione on December 26, 2008, 11:30:31 PM
what about girlscouts
I don't know, I was never a member of any form of Girl Scouts.
Quote from: Frutta Procione on December 26, 2008, 11:30:31 PM
what about girlscouts
their cookies taste like the miraculous works of God so probably
Quote from: Frutta Procione on December 26, 2008, 11:30:31 PM
what about girlscouts
My girlscout troop always had meetings in various churches, so probably. I don't remember.
I think I scare my priest. He knows I hate him because he fired my favorite youth minister. He was the only reason I ever bothered to go to church during my confirmation classes.
Quote from: ÎεάÏ,ολις on December 27, 2008, 08:12:19 PM
Why?
He was too 'radical' and too many of the old people complained. I tell you though, nobody I know has ever gotten mroe teenagers interested in church than him. huge dumbass move.
He was like a hippie who played for a christian rock group and smoked somewhat heavily, probably a bit of a pothead as well. He was the entertainment during our 'teen' masses on saturday nights. Him and his christian band of teenagers gave the old ladies heart attacks.
Oh, and we had these awesome meeting after mass where we basically danced and played video games and ate and did nothing for 2 hours, then talked about god for 10 minutes. But Adam made these amazing plans to build a teen building for meetings and stuff. After they fired him, they went through with the building.
He's back in Arizona now with his wife and new son. :( His son was born on easter sunday.
Quote from: Sam on December 26, 2008, 06:24:27 PM
No, I'm losing by going to church every week. Getting communion is just part of church.
There are plenty of people who go to my church and don't receive communion.
Quote from: YPR on December 28, 2008, 06:55:33 PM
There are plenty of people who go to my church and don't receive communion.
If I'm ever invited to go to mass, I don't receive communion anymore. Even if I were still a devote Catholic, I've committed too many "mortal sins" to receive communion without going to confession. doodthing;
Quote from: YPR on December 28, 2008, 06:55:33 PM
There are plenty of people who go to my church and don't receive communion.
...you're clearly not understanding what I'm saying here. I thought I've explained it enough times.
I have options. I can
a) not go to church and be punished and grounded and whatnot
b) go to church and not receive communion and be punished and grounded and whatnot
c) go to church and receive communion
If getting communion was some huge thing to me where I personally was hurting myself in receiving it, I wouldn't do it. but because I do not care, and nor do any of the people in my church because they have no idea, I'm just going to get communion in order to avoid further complications with my family. If no punishment or scolding or lectures were involved, I probably would just sit there. But no, if I don't receive communion, my mother makes me feel like shit. She knows it and does it strategically.
It's not how it should be, but that's how it is. I hate religion, and I hate when people let it control them. I hate talking about it, I hate arguing over it, I hate watching it, I hate participating in it, I hate being affected by it. I don't want to argue with you YPR. Believe what you want to believe and let me be, please.
Well said, Pink!
I hate it when religion controls anyone's life. :(
Do what I did.
I told my mother I'm not interested in religion, nor do I strive for self righteousness. I do not believe in an "all knowing, all loving" being.
I am not interested in going to a church building with kids my age to worship. I know what they do outside of service, so in retrospect, they are just as bad as I am, calling themselves Christians.
I am not interested in giving my life to a "God" that cannot take care of his own people.
Religion is what causes conflicts in the world.
Quote from: Tyler on December 31, 2008, 04:46:48 PM
Religion is what causes conflicts in the world.
Most conflicts are caused by things other than religion.
eg. "MAN WHAT YOU DOIN' STEPPIN' ON MY NEW JORDANS, DOG"
Quote from: Lawlz on January 01, 2009, 02:23:58 AM
Most conflicts are caused by things other than religion.
eg. "MAN WHAT YOU DOIN' STEPPIN' ON MY NEW JORDANS, DOG"
And the other person is too stubborn so he goes "WHAT YOU DOING PUTTING YOUR JORDANS WHERE I'M ABOUT TO STEP"
Quote from: Lawlz on January 01, 2009, 02:23:58 AM
Most conflicts are caused by things other than religion.
eg. "MAN WHAT YOU DOIN' STEPPIN' ON MY NEW JORDANS, DOG"
I agree.
Religion can start conflicts, sure, but people will find any excuse to start something
Quote from: YPR on January 01, 2009, 07:54:15 PM
I agree.
Religion can start conflicts, sure, but people will find any excuse to start something
Michigan is better than Ohio. It really is easy to start a conflict. Just stating an opinion can get a reaction. :3
this thread is like terrible.
Quote from: l a c e y on January 14, 2009, 06:57:31 AM
this thread is like terrible.
It wasn't before you posted.
And to give this post some content, no, I do not believe in God.
Quote from: FAMY2 on January 14, 2009, 05:57:53 AM
Michigan is better than Ohio. It really is easy to start a conflict. Just stating an opinion can get a reaction. :3
Who won the Toledo War? n_u
Quote from: YPR on January 14, 2009, 10:35:15 AM
Who won the Toledo War? n_u
The KBG. n_u
Or is it KGB? I know I know. saddood;
Quote from: FAMY2 on January 14, 2009, 10:42:49 AM
The KBG. n_u
Or is it KGB? I know I know. saddood;
Don't feed the flames Rae O_0
Quote from: YPR on January 14, 2009, 11:02:22 AM
Don't feed the flames Rae O_0
I believe God let Michigan win.
Quote from: l a c e y on January 14, 2009, 06:57:31 AM
this thread is like terrible.
If you're not going to contribute to the original discussion of this thread, then don't post at all.
Shut up.
Quote from: YPR on January 14, 2009, 11:26:25 AM
Win what?
Ahh.. something. I know Hockey. The Red Wings are good. n_u
Quote from: Ezlo on January 14, 2009, 02:05:18 PM
If you're not going to contribute to the original discussion of this thread, then don't post at all.
Shut up.
I don't think she's capable of doing that, or of knowing whether she is or not. powerofone;
Content: No, I do not believe in God, and I really honestly can't see how people can believe in one. All of the stuff I've had theists tell me is just hard to comprehend and makes little to no sense logically. I can't return to believing in him, it just doesn't make sense to me.
I think the guy in this video sounds pretty obnoxious and the video itself seems pretty in-your-face and kinda rude, but it proves a point in a nice simple way.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI[/youtube]
Also this guy is a dumbass just for calling it an optical illusion when it has nothing to do with vision.
Then again, as a christian, I was always taught not to pray for specific things, but for the power to make myself stronger to earn these things on my own
In which case.. can't I make myself stronger on my own?
Quote from: Sam on January 14, 2009, 04:53:28 PM
Then again, as a christian, I was always taught not to pray for specific things, but for the power to make myself stronger to earn these things on my own
In which case.. can't I make myself stronger on my own?
I'm pretty sure you've felt helpless before, as if the world is crashing down upon you. That's when people turn to religion to make it feel as if there is a force supporting them through a rough time.
Quote from: YPR on January 14, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
I'm pretty sure you've felt helpless before, as if the world is crashing down upon you. That's when people turn to religion to make it feel as if there is a force supporting them through a rough time.
...Do you even realize that you pretty much just said there's no God? I mean, if the people are the ones "making" the force, that would appear to be what you're saying.
Yeah, I know how religion works. It's htere like a support system, it answers the unanswerable and gives people hope when they're hopeless.
It doesn't work when you don't believe in it. It's impossible to convince my mind something's there when I know it isn't, so I can't just magically make the power of prayer work for me.
When relisious people pray to God, they 'know' it's going to work, so it does (no matter what, as shown in the video).
When I pray to God (which I don't and haven't in a very long time) it does nothing because in my mind I know it's doing nothing.
Religion is all in the mind... I think you know it as much as the rest of us YPR. But hey, if you somehow still have the power to believe in a God, rock on. Statistically you'll live longer, healthier lives than the rest of us.
Quote from: Sam on January 15, 2009, 08:01:21 PM
...Do you even realize that you pretty much just said there's no God? I mean, if the people are the ones "making" the force, that would appear to be what you're saying.
Well when I'm explaining it to an athiest I feel uncomfortable saying it's because of God that people feel more secure, because then they'll just throw my argument out as bullshit since it's being associated with something they don't believe in. So instead I'm trying to explain the rationale for such a belief.
Quote from: Sam on January 15, 2009, 08:01:21 PM
When relisious people pray to God, they 'know' it's going to work, so it does (no matter what, as shown in the video).
I don't really expect much out of it to be honest... Most things are up to people
Quote from: Sam on January 15, 2009, 08:01:21 PM
Religion is all in the mind... I think you know it as much as the rest of us YPR. But hey, if you somehow still have the power to believe in a God, rock on. Statistically you'll live longer, healthier lives than the rest of us.
Probably won't because I'm poisoning my liver, but thanks for the sentiment... not that longevity is really a contest to me.
Over the years my mind has changed on many subjects. I guess you could say I was brainwashed by my parents. I think for myself now, which took enough time, but anyway.
I'm agnostic. I do think there is a possibility, but Christianity itself turned me away from it. Being in a strictly devote Baptist family, I was subjected to many many sermons. I liked it I admit, but it all went wrong when there was a new pastor who's preaching consisted of "disproving" other beliefs. Even though I have an annoying individuality kind of personality, it didn't bother me at first. Though he basically made himself seem like a dumbass. "Evolution is dumb there are no transitional forms blah blah blah". Again, it didn't really bother me. Now this is when I started getting a rebellious behaviour toward Christianity. "Evolution isn't true because in the Bible it said God created the universe". "Evolution isn't right because God exists and that proof is the Bible". That, along with me finding many contradictions to the "perfect" word of God turned me away completely. Other things in the Bible that I believed were wrong really got under my skin. Christianity doesn't NEED proof. The only proof you would need is your faith.
In other words: It's not that I think God doesn't exist. Sometimes I think I was led away by bad preachers, and sometimes I really wish I could become a Christian again. Like I said I'm not denying the possibility. I just think evolution makes more sense, and that if being a Christian means scorning people for having rights, especially since it's their OWN life, then I simply don't want to be a part of it.
Wow. I can't believe that actually came out of me. baddood;
Religion was created to unify groups of people and create a culture. The creation of God was to provide an entity that enforces the rules of the religion, and force people to follow it and keep true to the morals.
I think that since society doesn't need religion to keep morality anymore, it shouldn't be practiced, and in modern society, it's drifting us away from each other.
I am agnostic. I'm not an atheist because I can't confirm the nonexistence of a God, nor can I confirm the existence.
Quote from: Bassir on February 05, 2009, 03:29:59 PM
I am agnostic. I'm not an atheist because I can't confirm the nonexistence of a God, nor can I confirm the existence.
Doesn't that make everyone agnostic?
Quote from: YPR on February 05, 2009, 03:37:30 PM
Doesn't that make everyone agnostic?
Yes, but he also doesn't have any personal beliefs. doodthing;
Quote from: YPR on February 05, 2009, 03:37:30 PM
Doesn't that make everyone agnostic?
I confirm that I deny the existence of a diety
i believe in magic in a young girl's heart
i believe that each and every one of us have a soulmate somewhere out there <3
Quote from: Slim on February 05, 2009, 03:58:56 PM
i believe that each and every one of us have a soulmate somewhere out there <3
how far out there? yes;
if i didn't believe in god i'd have shot myself in the head by now baddood;
actually no i dont own any handguns. so to be more accurate, i would've stabbed myself happydood;
Quote from: RDX on February 05, 2009, 05:26:56 PM
if i didn't believe in god i'd have shot myself in the head by now baddood;
actually no i dont own any handguns. so to be more accurate, i would've stabbed myself happydood;
why is that
Quote from: Ezlo on February 05, 2009, 05:38:20 PM
why is that
because you need god to keep you alive dur
Quote from: Raekewn on February 05, 2009, 05:50:23 PM
because you need god to keep you alive dur
oh right silly me
Quote from: Brooks on February 05, 2009, 04:31:58 PM
how far out there? yes;
however far the distance between us is yes;
Quote from: Slim on February 05, 2009, 06:28:24 PM
however far the distance between us is yes;
it's getting shorter yes;
Quote from: Raekewn on February 05, 2009, 05:50:23 PM
because you need god to keep you alive dur
ya
actually there's this one rule about suicide and becoming a ghost and i dont want to become no ghost ;_;
Quote from: RDX on February 05, 2009, 06:42:35 PM
ya
actually there's this one rule about suicide and becoming a ghost and i dont want to become no ghost ;_;
There's also some rules about eating shellfish, wearing clothes made from multiple times of fabric, cutting your hair, and being a wizard. akudood;
Quote from: Brooks on February 05, 2009, 06:29:37 PM
it's getting shorter yes;
i thought this was serious discussion but i guess i was wrong
Quote from: Nyerp on February 05, 2009, 07:02:22 PM
i thought this was serious discussion but i guess i was wrong
don't get upset we can't be right all the time <3
Quote from: Bassir on February 05, 2009, 03:29:59 PM
Religion was created to unify groups of people and create a culture. The creation of God was to provide an entity that enforces the rules of the religion, and force people to follow it and keep true to the morals.
I think that since society doesn't need religion to keep morality anymore, it shouldn't be practiced, and in modern society, it's drifting us away from each other.
I am agnostic. I'm not an atheist because I can't confirm the nonexistence of a God, nor can I confirm the existence.
At the same time, that's kind of like saying Santa was created to make sure little kids don't misbehave.
And let's face it, how many kids actually think about Santa when they're misbehaving?
Religion was created to answer the unanswerable. That's the same reason it's still around.
by the way guys, seriously? You can't keep from being goofs in this one board? It's irritating and immature. please.
My belief system is off and on, so I guess I'd be considered Agnostic.
Quote from: Raekewn on February 05, 2009, 06:50:40 PM
There's also some rules about eating shellfish, wearing clothes made from multiple times of fabric, cutting your hair, and being a wizard. akudood;
So are you encouraging me to kill myself? badass
Quote from: RDX on February 05, 2009, 07:47:07 PM
So are you encouraging me to kill myself? badass
No I'm saying religion is a dumb reason not to, especially with all the other silly rules. hocuspocus;
Quote from: Raekewn on February 05, 2009, 07:58:05 PM
No I'm saying religion is a dumb reason not to, especially with all the other silly rules. hocuspocus;
I'VE GOT A GUN IN MY HAND RIGHT NOW badass
dammit jamvey we need his activity
Quote from: Sam on February 05, 2009, 07:19:23 PMReligion was created to answer the unanswerable. That's the same reason it's still around.
In the beginning, sure, that's why it was created. However, Bassir is correct that providing a stabilizing force in society is the primary function that religion came to serve in the coming years. We're long beyond the point of needing this anymore, and may very well be better off without it.
As for why religious belief persists, I think it's mostly tradition. We can provide most of the answers now, even if many aren't satisfied by them.
Quoteby the way guys, seriously? You can't keep from being goofs in this one board? It's irritating and immature. please.
sorry, ma'am saddood;
Quote from: Slim on February 05, 2009, 08:46:05 PM
As for why religious belief persists, I think it's mostly tradition. We can provide most of the answers now, even if many aren't satisfied by them.
well my religion so far doesn't have any problems with any of the scientific foundings made baddood;
Quote from: RDX on February 05, 2009, 09:07:32 PM
well my religion so far doesn't have any problems with any of the scientific foundings made baddood;
One could make that claim about the liberal tradition of any religion.
The world makes perfect sense without your impulse to insert Allah into it, which was the point I was getting at.
Quote from: Raekewn on February 05, 2009, 09:35:06 PM
Okay, starting here, stop the shitty posts.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Slim how do you think the universe came into being?
Quote from: Slim on February 05, 2009, 09:16:05 PM
One could make that claim about the liberal tradition of any religion.
The world makes perfect sense without your impulse to insert Allah into it, which was the point I was getting at.
I'm pretty conservative when it comes to religion, but i do get your point.
Quote from: Veal on February 05, 2009, 09:40:05 PMSlim how do you think the universe came into being?
I think it spontaneously came into being from the big bang without the aid of a supreme being, of course.
That being said, it's not something I dwell upon too much. I don't see how the exact process through which the universe began is relevant to mankind. Even if we were to assume that there were some sort of creator, I believe it's apparent that he does not intervene in human affairs, thus making his existence ultimately insignificant. The universe functions exactly as it would if there were no god. Even in the remote possibility that there were some sort of abstract figure who created the universe, it would not make any religious doctrine any more credible--all of which I find absurd and obviously man-made. What I
can say with confidence is that the scientific explanations that we have now for the origins of the universe are a hell of lot more accurate than anything any creation myth has to offer us.
Quote from: Slim on February 05, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
I think it spontaneously came into being from the big bang without the aid of a supreme being, of course.
That being said, it's not something I dwell upon too much. I don't see how the exact process through which the universe began is relevant to mankind. Even if we were to assume that there were some sort of creator, I believe it's apparent that he does not intervene in human affairs, thus making his existence ultimately insignificant. The universe functions exactly as it would if there were no god. Even in the remote possibility that there were some sort of abstract figure who created the universe, it would not make any religious doctrine any more credible--all of which I find absurd and obviously man-made. What I can say with confidence is that the scientific explanations that we have now for the origins of the universe are a hell of lot more accurate than anything any creation myth has to offer us.
Okay.
uh yeah I don't have anything to add to this, I was just wondering.
Religion exists and/or is practiced to either explain the unexplainable(this applies mostly to early civilizations), maintaining control(Best seen in Rome and some periods of Europe), as a custom(tribal people, druids, all those creeps, and modern day people with no actual belief in their religion), and to philosophize on how one should live(Confucius, Buddhism).
There is also the chance that the person actually believed that the event transpired and that the event did in fact occur, but that's unprovable.
I'd say I'm pretty agnostic.
Quote from: Slim on February 05, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
I think it spontaneously came into being from the big bang without the aid of a supreme being, of course.
Spontaneous creation? Can you rationalize for me where the material for the big bang came from?
Quote from: Slim on February 05, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
I don't see how the exact process through which the universe began is relevant to mankind.
Oh boy... Think about what you said. By insinuating this is a pointless discussion, you're bashing the very heart of human curiosity and creativity. If the human race followed your line of thought, our culture wouldn't have progressed passed 700 BCE in technology or science. Remember, the applied sciences stem from philosophy which is interested in pondering about the universe.... So this type of pondering can lead to advances for mankind.
Quote from: Slim on February 05, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
What I can say with confidence is that the scientific explanations that we have now for the origins of the universe are a hell of lot more accurate than anything any creation myth has to offer us.
Really? ... REALLY?! HAHA!
You, my friend, are trusting blindly in the sciences just as the religious are trusting blindly in their faith. If you think science is truth, you are not using your reason. Even scientists are suppose to question the theories that arise in their field. There are constant contradictions floating around the scientific community, just like there are contradictions in faith.
Don't believe me? The world was once believed to be flat because people trusted what they observed. You couldn't see past a certain point in the horizon, so it must be the end of the world!
Hmm...
But wait.. In around 300 BCE, Aristotle wrote down the world was round! ROUND! This was years before it was "scientifically proven." How did he make this conclusion? He trusted his reason more than his observations. It turned out to be more accurate than what science was saying.
So don't discredit human rationality so quickly. The scientific explanations of the universe right now can be (and probably are) just as wrong as "myth." Don't say "with certainty" that they are more accurate.
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 08, 2009, 11:12:46 PM
But wait.. In around 300 BCE, Aristotle wrote down the world was round! ROUND! This was years before it was "scientifically proven." How did he make this conclusion? He trusted his reason more than his observations. It turned out to be more accurate than what science was saying.
uh doesn't the story go that he noticed that the sails and whatnot of large ships appeared to be lower as they sailed further off into the horizon which implied the said curvature sounds kind of like observation to me doodhuh;
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 08, 2009, 11:12:46 PM
Spontaneous creation? Can you rationalize for me where the material for the big bang came from?
the thing about science is that it's okay with not having an answer for everything at the moment hocuspocus;
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 08, 2009, 11:12:46 PM
Even scientists are suppose to question the theories that arise in their field.
and historically they have, and still do (see: string theory vs. other models of the now, static universe vs. big bang of the 60s or so, frazier vs. muhammad ali of the 70s, quantum physics vs. classical/relativistic junk of the 20s and 30s etc. etc.)
in conclusion, say hi to mr. strawman oh what's that you two have already met akudood;
Quote from: guff on February 08, 2009, 11:55:35 PM
uh doesn't the story go that he noticed that the sails and whatnot of large ships appeared to be lower as they sailed further off into the horizon which implied the said curvature sounds kind of like observation to me
Gotta love observation, Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the earth simply with the sheer power of intellect.
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 08, 2009, 11:12:46 PM
Spontaneous creation? Can you rationalize for me where the material for the big bang came from?
Where did God come from?
And as for the "material": there was none. The big bang was pure energy and as dictated by the theory* of relativity(E=MC
2) energy and mass are the same and they are transmutable: energy can become mass. Mass can become energy(observed with anti-matter/matter collisions)
Mass is what makes matter. The massive amount of energy alone is what provided the material.
*Before someone goes ROFL THEORY MEANS NOT TRUE NO FACTS. Theory in a scientific context != theory in the context of "conspiracy theory".
QuoteOh boy... Think about what you said. By insinuating this is a pointless discussion, you're bashing the very heart of human curiosity and creativity.
He said it wasn't relevant, not something we shouldn't research.
QuoteIf the human race followed your line of thought
We'd have more religion. "Where do people come from?"
"God made us"
"I don't think that is a good idea"
"Blasphemer! Die"
Quoteour culture wouldn't have progressed passed 700 BCE in technology or science. Remember, the applied sciences stem from philosophy which is interested in pondering about the universe.... So this type of pondering can lead to advances for mankind.
That type of pondering is a sin.
QuoteYou, my friend, are trusting blindly in the sciences just as the religious are trusting blindly in their faith.
It's not blindly trusting if there is evidence to back it up. The Bible's only "proof" is itself saying it's true. You can't write a scientific paper and only cite the paper itself. Why should the Bible or any other religious text be any different?
QuoteIf you think science is truth, you are not using your reason.
As opposed to believing fairy tales are true?
QuoteEven scientists are suppose to question the theories that arise in their field. There are constant contradictions floating around the scientific community, just like there are contradictions in faith.
Scientific theories can easily be adapted to support new evidence. You can't suddenly "adapt" the Bible to support new facts otherwise you're defeating the point of it being the word of a perfect God.
Either the Bible is infallible and has to be taken as fact. Or it's just a book of silly stories(even if you believe in a God) and should not be taken as fact.
QuoteDon't believe me? The world was once believed to be flat...
okay guff already covered this.
QuoteSo don't discredit human rationality so quickly. The scientific explanations of the universe right now can be (and probably are) just as wrong as "myth." Don't say "with certainty" that they are more accurate.
I am certain that the Big Bang theory is much more accurate than any creation myth. Why?
Abrahamic Myth: People have been around for less than 10,000 years.
Scientific fact: people have been around significantly longer than that. The last ice age ended before that. The Americas were populated during the last ice age.
Greco-Roman myth: do I even have to explain this? We already know their silly gods aren't real.
Scientific fact: We know why there are seasons now and it's not related to a pomegranate. There are no Gods on Olympus.
Hindu Myth: There was nothing but at the same time there was an ocean. wut
Scientific Fact: oh you're right we can't prove that everything didn't come out of a lotus exept for that plants and animals existed before the lotus evolved.
Quote from: Raekewn on February 09, 2009, 10:43:31 AM
Greco-Roman myth: do I even have to explain this? We already know their silly gods aren't real.
Scientific fact: We know why there are seasons now and it's not related to a pomegranate. There are no Gods on Olympus.
or maybe the gods got tired of people exploring mount olympus and moved their secret lair to deep underneath it
or maybe the greeks meant the gods live somewhere in or around or on olympus mons, which is the highest known mountain in the solar system and is on mars
WHICH WOULD THUS SUPPORT THE THEORY THAT WE WERE PUT HERE BY MARTIANS
Quote from: Pancake Persona on February 09, 2009, 12:40:42 PM
or maybe the gods got tired of people exploring mount olympus and moved their secret lair to deep underneath it
or maybe the greeks meant the gods live somewhere in or around or on olympus mons, which is the highest known mountain in the solar system and is on mars
WHICH WOULD THUS SUPPORT THE THEORY THAT WE WERE PUT HERE BY MARTIANS
where do martians come from
QuoteReally? ... REALLY?! HAHA!
You, my friend, are trusting blindly in the sciences just as the religious are trusting blindly in their faith. If you think science is truth, you are not using your reason. Even scientists are suppose to question the theories that arise in their field. There are constant contradictions floating around the scientific community, just like there are contradictions in faith.
Don't believe me? The world was once believed to be flat because people trusted what they observed. You couldn't see past a certain point in the horizon, so it must be the end of the world!
Hmm...
But wait.. In around 300 BCE, Aristotle wrote down the world was round! ROUND! This was years before it was "scientifically proven." How did he make this conclusion? He trusted his reason more than his observations. It turned out to be more accurate than what science was saying.
So don't discredit human rationality so quickly. The scientific explanations of the universe right now can be (and probably are) just as wrong as "myth." Don't say "with certainty" that they are more accurate.
What you fail to realize is that supposed science in early years of civilization was largely based on religion and random guessing. Slim said modern day science, not science in general. Also, he isn't trusting blindly in it when they have given evidence to back up their claims. When "god did is" is used to explain a lot of things as opposed to "well this works because it follows the law of blah blah blah", I'd say that the rational that uses other things to back itself up would in fact be more accurate.
Also, you seem to want science to prove how it's proving that it's proving that it's proving how it is in fact correct. By that logic, nothing is certain. Which is dumb, by the way.
God is my favorite fictional character. giggle;
Quote from: Socks on February 09, 2009, 07:50:05 PM
God is my favorite fictional character. giggle;
you're so edgy and original
Quote from: Nyerp on February 09, 2009, 07:54:52 PM
you're so edgy and original
Nyerp is my favorite non fictional dipshit. giggle;
Socks are my favorite articles of clothing. giggle;
Quote from: Socks on February 09, 2009, 07:50:05 PM
God is my favorite fictional character. giggle;
Best antagonist ever. hocuspocus;
Quote from: guff on February 08, 2009, 11:55:35 PM
uh doesn't the story go that he noticed that the sails and whatnot of large ships appeared to be lower as they sailed further off into the horizon which implied the said curvature sounds kind of like observation to me doodhuh;
Who, Aristotle?
No. He first came to the conclusion the Earth was round by rationalization, not observation. He saw the moon, the sun, the planets, the stars, and their orbits and saw them to be perfect circles. He rationalized the earth also must be like a "round ball" as well.
Quote from: guff on February 08, 2009, 11:55:35 PMthe thing about science is that it's okay with not having an answer for everything at the moment hocuspocus;
And strengthening my point that we shouldn't trust it blindly because it doesn't explain everything. hocuspocus;
Quote from: Raekewn on February 09, 2009, 10:43:31 AM
Where did God come from?
And as for the "material": there was none. The big bang was pure energy and as dictated by the theory* of relativity(E=MC2) energy and mass are the same and they are transmutable: energy can become mass. Mass can become energy(observed with anti-matter/matter collisions)
Mass is what makes matter. The massive amount of energy alone is what provided the material.
Good. I like it. But let's think about this a bit. Pure energy is sitting there in the center of the universe just chilling. Maybe for millions of years let's say. What sparks the explosion? We like to think of cause and effect. Can there be an effect without a cause?
Quote from: Raekewn on February 09, 2009, 10:43:31 AMHe said it wasn't relevant, not something we shouldn't research.
Why? If it's not relevant to us, why should we waste our time? I'm arguing it actually is relevant.
Quote from: Raekewn on February 09, 2009, 10:43:31 AMIt's not blindly trusting if there is evidence to back it up. The Bible's only "proof" is itself saying it's true. You can't write a scientific paper and only cite the paper itself. Why should the Bible or any other religious text be any different?
No, no. It is still blind trust even with evidence. Remember, evidence can be misinterpreted and isn't always right (think of court cases). You can't trust everything that comes out of science. I already gave the example that the world is flat. If you'd like more examples, explore the atomic theory. See how much it has evolved throughout the years. If you subscribed completely to the first theory, then how can you believe the later ones? Always question and don't trust everything, especially something that is always changing. That's what I'm saying.
Quote from: Raekewn on February 09, 2009, 10:43:31 AMGreco-Roman myth: do I even have to explain this? We already know their silly gods aren't real.
THEY'RE NOT SILLY >:[ They have a beautiful creation story. (better than silly old Adam and Eve, and just as believable) :3
SIDE NOTE TIME!!!!
I'M AN AGNOSTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I believe there's something seriously wrong with the Bible, and people shouldn't cling to it for the answers.
Likewise, I believe there's something seriously wrong with the sciences, and people should question them just as much.
Where can we find the answers?!?!? Reason. :3
:3 :3 :3 :3 doodella; :3 :3 :3 :3
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 11, 2009, 07:05:21 PM
Who, Aristotle?
No. He first came to the conclusion the Earth was round by rationalization, not observation. He saw the moon, the sun, the planets, the stars, and their orbits and saw them to be perfect circles. He rationalized the earth also must be like a "round ball" as well.
uh actually i guess the ship thing is attributed to someone else, but he actually did base his theory off of observation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#Classical_Mediterranean) so you're wrong anyways n_u
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 11, 2009, 07:05:21 PM
And strengthening my point that we shouldn't trust it blindly because it doesn't explain everything. hocuspocus;
not having the answer to everything != being unable to explain it ever hocuspocus;
also just a general note: individual scientists may occasionally rely on intution and inductive reasoning, but science does not tell us how to live our lives baddood;
Quote from: guff on February 11, 2009, 07:15:09 PM
uh actually i guess the ship thing is attributed to someone else, but he actually did base his theory off of observation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#Classical_Mediterranean) so you're wrong anyways n_unot having the answer to everything != being unable to explain it ever hocuspocus;
also just a general note: individual scientists may occasionally rely on intution and inductive reasoning, but science does not tell us how to live our lives baddood;
Silly, boy. The final conclusion was made through reason. He had no "scientific evidence." giggle;
We'll never have the answers through our constantly changing, groundless methods. giggle;
Mmmhmm.. The greatest theories come from reasoning. BUUUUUUUUUT! They are always up for cross examination. giggle;
And science should tell us how to live our lives. baddood;
Just kidding. giggle;
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 11, 2009, 07:19:16 PM
Silly, boy. The final conclusion was made through reason. He had no "scientific evidence." giggle;
QuoteEvery portion of the earth tends toward the center until by compression and convergence they form a sphere. (De caelo, 297a9-21)
Travelers going south see southern constellations rise higher above the horizon; and
The shadow of Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse is round. (De caelo, 297b31-298a10)
anyways go get your aura read you new age asshole madood;
Quote from: guff on February 11, 2009, 07:24:50 PM
anyways go get your aura read you new age asshole madood;
I already did for the day. I'm very green. New growth, yay!
:P
hey monsieur
Quote from: ø Lance * Corporal * Atlas ø on February 09, 2009, 03:18:54 PM
What you fail to realize is that supposed science in early years of civilization was largely based on religion and random guessing. Slim said modern day science, not science in general. Also, he isn't trusting blindly in it when they have given evidence to back up their claims. When "god did is" is used to explain a lot of things as opposed to "well this works because it follows the law of blah blah blah", I'd say that the rational that uses other things to back itself up would in fact be more accurate.
Also, you seem to want science to prove how it's proving that it's proving that it's proving how it is in fact correct. By that logic, nothing is certain. Which is dumb, by the way.
A supreme being created the world in seven days and all humans descend from a woman who was made out of a rib. That's a stupid theory of creation.
A bunch of atoms in space went BANG and suddenly Earth was made and every living organism descends from one cell. That's a stupid theory of creation. (I'm aware that not all atheists believe this)
How was the world created? We won't ever know and we don't need to know. The problem is that people seek answers to everything. What's more important than seeking answers is seeking more questions.
In my mind, I like to go by rational and scientific thought. But the other side of my head says, "What's the point of being agnostic?". Sure, organized religion has been fucked up, but the basic principles of Jesus are all fine and dandy. Sometimes I want to believe in God because it's pointless not to, and sometimes I want to think scientifically.
Quote from: coz on February 14, 2009, 11:45:59 AM
A supreme being created the world in seven days and all humans descend from a woman who was made out of a rib. That's a stupid theory of creation.
A bunch of atoms in space went BANG and suddenly Earth was made and every living organism descends from one cell. That's a stupid theory of creation. (I'm aware that not all atheists believe this)
How was the world created? We won't ever know and we don't need to know. The problem is that people seek answers to everything. What's more important than seeking answers is seeking more questions.
In my mind, I like to go by rational and scientific thought. But the other side of my head says, "What's the point of being agnostic?". Sure, organized religion has been fucked up, but the basic principles of Jesus are all fine and dandy. Sometimes I want to believe in God because it's pointless not to, and sometimes I want to think scientifically.
if by suddenly you mean "nearly 9 billion years later" that the earth was created then yes
Quote from: coz on February 14, 2009, 11:45:59 AM
A bunch of atoms in space went BANG and suddenly Earth was made and every living organism descends from one cell. That's a stupid theory of creation. (I'm aware that not all atheists believe this)
how is that a stupid theory doodhuh;
things fall because massive objects distort the fabric of spacetime which results in a mutual pull inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the objects. that's a stupid theory of gravity akudood;
The world is very confusing. But, we will never know if the universe was made by a big bang, a god, or something else. We will never know if any supreme being exists. Yeah, we have science to help us understand the world and it's great. But think about this - how can -you- know what science is real and not? In example, we agree that Bird Y evolved from Bird X on a tiny island because many scientists studied the birds. But have any of us personally studied them? To take this perspective further, maybe I'm the only human in the universe and everyone I've met is an alien lifeform technologically disquised. It sounds stupid and I can't prove it, but I can't disprove it either.
In short, we will never know if a god exists so it's not worth debating - you either believe or don't, just don't be an ass about it and we can all get along.
Quote from: coz on February 14, 2009, 08:11:18 PM
The world is very confusing.
not really no though i am a bit miffed about how i ran out of poptarts akudood;
Quote from: coz on February 14, 2009, 08:11:18 PM
But, we will never know if the universe was made by a big bang, a god, or something else.
how do you know that baddood;
Quote from: coz on February 14, 2009, 08:11:18 PM
But think about this - how can -you- know what science is real and not?
by definition, science is real
humans are fallible, but that's why we've got peer review and the requirement for reproducible results baddood;
Quote from: coz on February 14, 2009, 08:11:18 PM
In example, we agree that Bird Y evolved from Bird X on a tiny island because many scientists studied the birds. But have any of us personally studied them?
well for one thing on a tiny island you're not going to have much genetic diversity which makes significant differentiation a bit wonky sounding and secondly unlike most religions science inherently allows for falsifiable ideas to be
proven false i.e. anyone who was skeptical of these many scientists could go to gilligan's island and see for themselves
Quote from: coz on February 14, 2009, 08:11:18 PM
To take this perspective further, maybe I'm the only human in the universe and everyone I've met is an alien lifeform technologically disquised.
maybe you've watched too many movies baddood;
Quote from: coz on February 14, 2009, 08:11:18 PM
It sounds stupid and I can't prove it, but I can't disprove it either.
you could kidnap one and perform a dna test sure you'd probably have to do it yourself since their testing technology could just be part of the trick but it's doable baddood;
but more seriously it's not the business of science to disprove claims that are offered without evidence
ITT Thyme shows that he yet again learned new words on Wikipedia. goonish
It seems I'm Ignostic. I can't discuss about the question of the existence of God if the definition of God isn't clarified first. I'm agnostic (yet mostly apatheistic) about some possible definitions and atheistic about some others.
I'm an optimistic artistic rationalistic young traditionalistic baddood;
Quote from: guff on February 14, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
not really no though i am a bit miffed about how i ran out of poptarts akudood;
You're kidding.. Right? The universe is extremely complex, and if you think about it, it makes little sense. doodhuh;
Quote from: guff on February 14, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
how do you know that baddood;
It's true. One day we MIGHT know.
Quote from: guff on February 14, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
humans are fallible, but that's why we've got peer review and the requirement for reproducible results baddood;
But does this still produce TRUTH? Remember, majority doesn't doesn't always equal truth. This is true even in "scientific settings."
And even with "reproducible results," there is still the chance for change. Even in the simplest experiments, we must never jump to conclusions.
Quote from: guff on February 14, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
maybe you've watched too many movies baddood;
Or Coz is right.... How would you know?
Quote from: guff on February 14, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
you could kidnap one and perform a dna test sure you'd probably have to do it yourself since their testing technology could just be part of the trick but it's doable baddood;
but more seriously it's not the business of science to disprove claims that are offered without evidence
But he'd be using "alien" technology if he's the only human around. Therefore, it could be a giant illusion of facts. In order to see the truth, he'd have to do everything himself, and that includes relearning everything from a personal standpoint. :3
It is science's task to understand nature using the natural world (AKA not supernatural).
So, it could be science's task to disprove claims if it accelerates the understanding of the natural world.
--------
In short, GOOD JOB COZ!
Another open-minded philosopher is in our midsts. :3
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 23, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
You're kidding.. Right? The universe is extremely complex, and if you think about it, it makes little sense. doodhuh;
individual elements might be hard to explain but as a whole i don't see what's nonsensical about it doodhuh;
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 23, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
But does this still produce TRUTH? Remember, majority doesn't doesn't always equal truth. This is true even in "scientific settings."
okay but the point is that if the minority was right they've got a surefire way to demonstrate it
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 23, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
And even with "reproducible results," there is still the chance for change. Even in the simplest experiments, we must never jump to conclusions.
if the results are reproducible and the experiment is sound then the result will not change by definition
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 23, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
Or Coz is right.... How would you know?
because higher life forms with that sort of technology would consider arguing for new-age mysticism a complete waste of time n_u
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 23, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
But he'd be using "alien" technology if he's the only human around. Therefore, it could be a giant illusion of facts. In order to see the truth, he'd have to do everything himself, and that includes relearning everything from a personal standpoint. :3
then maybe he should get off their internet
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 23, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
It is science's task to understand nature using the natural world (AKA not supernatural).
what supernatural
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 23, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
So, it could be science's task to disprove claims if it accelerates the understanding of the natural world.
alright good idea i demand science prove that i am not a sentient turnip baddood;
i believe everyone around me is a soviet spy omg i'm a great open-minded philosopher :O
Quote from: Nyerp on February 23, 2009, 07:25:33 PM
i believe everyone around me is a soviet spy omg i'm a great open-minded philosopher :O
Immaturity beams in this thread. How nice. giggle;
And he's an open-mind philosopher because he's actually able to question the thoughts of society without jumping to conclusions. n_u
yeah fight the man
I don't really believe in God. It seems to me that religion in general was started centuries ago to provide answers to then unexplainable questions.
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 25, 2009, 06:59:26 PM
Immaturity beams in this thread. How nice. giggle;
And he's an open-mind philosopher because he's actually able to question the thoughts of society without jumping to conclusions. n_u
actually it seems you think he's an open-minded philosopher because he has worldviews similar to yours cnotedood;
Quote from: guff on February 26, 2009, 11:31:57 AM
actually it seems you think he's an open-minded philosopher because he has worldviews similar to yours cnotedood;
Actually, we have differing opinions, but the logic he uses is similar to mine, yes.
Have you even taken a course in Philosophy? Maybe a critical thinking or a logic course? If you did, you'd find that many philosophers use to same line of thought as both of us....
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 26, 2009, 12:43:09 PM
Have you even taken a course in Philosophy?
yes baddood;
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 26, 2009, 12:43:09 PM
If you did, you'd find that many philosophers use to same line of thought as both of us....
yeah well a lot dont too baddood;
there could be a god
there also couldn't
i don't know
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 26, 2009, 12:43:09 PM
logic
yup n_u
but even if i hadn't, i'd still know that you're committing the fallacy of burden of proof baddood;
I don't think logic and faith go together. doodhuh;
I know a Christian who's pretty good at chess. baddood;
Quote from: FAMY2 on February 27, 2009, 06:35:37 AM
I don't think logic and faith go together. doodhuh;
They don't. It's all by blind faith that a person would worship a higher being.
Quote from: guff on February 26, 2009, 06:24:25 PM
yup n_u
but even if i hadn't, i'd still know that you're committing the fallacy of burden of proof baddood;
What?
Oh my... Perhaps you should have payed better attention in class. I'm not the one who's committing the fallacy. "Appeal to ignorance" doesn't work in the manner you're saying. If I were to be committing this fallacy, I would be saying that Coz's theory is untrue because their is no proof.... I never said that. In fact, I fought
for his theory because it's difficult to disprove. I never came to a conclusion, though, and neither did Coz. Once again, we were just questioning, which is fair to do.
Likewise, if I was committing this fallacy for the existence of God, I would have said that God doesn't exist because you can't prove his existence. Which, if you'll note, a lot of Atheists use this argument.
I could bring up that you're committing the fallacy of false accusation, but I never wanted to get into this type of argument in the first place.
Quote from: Brooks on February 26, 2009, 03:49:45 PM
yes baddood;
yeah well a lot dont too baddood;
... Care to provide some examples? I'd love to know some of the famous philosophers who didn't share the same type of open mindedness and ability to question all aspects of life and reason without jumping head first into conclusions. Out of my three years of studying philosophy, I really haven't run into "a lot" of them... Other than the ones classified as mystics or contributed to some downfall in society.
Of course, there are the philosopher bishops of the middle ages, but that's when philosophy got entangled with theology. Bad time...
Quote from: FAMY2 on February 27, 2009, 06:35:37 AM
I don't think logic and faith go together. doodhuh;
That's dangerous to say. There are a lot of famous philosophers (St. Thomas Aquinas, the Mutazilities sect, ect.) who have stated that if faith was truth, then it should go hand in hand with logic. Makes sense, no? After all, why would anyone want to follow an illogical belief? Fundamentalists, however, try to argue the opposite. Logic does not need to be involved, because faith does not need to be examined. They often read the Bible literally because of this belief.
Therefore, religion and faith SHOULD be logical, but often times it's not.
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
What?
Oh my... Perhaps you should have payed better attention in class. I'm not the one who's committing the fallacy. "Appeal to ignorance" doesn't work in the manner you're saying. If I were to be committing this fallacy, I would be saying that Coz's theory is untrue because their is no proof.... I never said that. In fact, I fought for his theory because it's difficult to disprove. I never came to a conclusion, though, and neither did Coz. Once again, we were just questioning, which is fair to do.
the fallacy of the burden of proof is not equivalent to appeal to ignorance
Quote from: wikipedia...is the attempt to argue that view A is to be preferred to view B because "B cannot be proven" when the burden of proof is laid on view B to an impossibly heavy level, and in particular to a level under which A could not be proven either.
lol n_u
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
Likewise, if I was committing this fallacy for the existence of God, I would have said that God doesn't exist because you can't prove his existence. Which, if you'll note, a lot of Atheists use this argument.
you sure do like strawman arguments a lot don't you n_u
concerning the second statement, i cannot speak for all atheists but i'd be willing to bet that it's commonly used as proof in and of itself; rather, it's a supplement to other arguments
even then, i would fathom a guess that only the vocal, but comparatively small, group of militant atheists assert that they can
prove the nonexistence of god; most, including myself, simply
believe that because the religious folk have a tendency to build safeguards into their beliefs (oh well he can't be seen, don't try to test him because he won't fall for it, he is a very tiny teapot floating around the solar system, etc.) that make it impossible to disprove but again i am of the school that the burden of proof is on the party that makes a claim and that science would just be wasting time to
disprove every crackpot theory offered without proof
baddood;
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
I could bring up that you're committing the fallacy of false accusation, but I never wanted to get into this type of argument in the first place....
oh well i applaud you for rising above th...hey wait a minute baddood;
also i couldn't find any mention of that fallacy on mr. google maybe i'm not open-minded enough n_u
Quote from: guff on February 27, 2009, 02:53:54 PM
the fallacy of the burden of proof is not equivalent to appeal to ignorancelol n_u
It is the same.
Quoteis the attempt to argue that view A is to be preferred to view B because "B cannot be proven" when the burden of proof is laid on view B to an impossibly heavy level, and in particular to a level under which A could not be proven either.
Yup, that's both. n_u
Quote from: guff on February 27, 2009, 02:53:54 PM
you sure do like strawman arguments a lot don't you n_u
Too bad you don't know what the strawman actually is. It could only be used in an offensive style when specifically attacking the original argument, which I didn't do.
Quote from: guff on February 27, 2009, 02:53:54 PM
concerning the second statement, i cannot speak for all atheists but i'd be willing to bet that it's commonly used as proof in and of itself; rather, it's a supplement to other arguments
even then, i would fathom a guess that only the vocal, but comparatively small, group of militant atheists assert that they can prove the nonexistence of god; most, including myself, simply believe that because the religious folk have a tendency to build safeguards into their beliefs (oh well he can't be seen, don't try to test him because he won't fall for it, he is a very tiny teapot floating around the solar system, etc.) that make it impossible to disprove but again i am of the school that the burden of proof is on the party that makes a claim and that science would just be wasting time to disprove every crackpot theory offered without proof
Well good for you? I'm just saying I've heard quite a few times that God doesn't exist because He can't be proven. It's a fallacy; the very one you mentioned.
Quote from: guff on February 27, 2009, 02:53:54 PM
also i couldn't find any mention of that fallacy on mr. google maybe i'm not open-minded enough n_u
Or maybe you should use a better source than google? I don't know.
I'm just referencing from my logic book, under informal fallacies. It's called "False Accusation of a Fallacy." Go to a library, dude. Don't depend on google for everything.
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
Care to provide some examples? I'd love to know some of the famous philosophers who didn't share the same type of open mindedness and ability to question all aspects of life and reason without jumping head first into conclusions. Out of my three years of studying philosophy, I really haven't run into "a lot" of them... Other than the ones classified as mystics or contributed to some downfall in society.
Off the top of my head, Francis Bacon.
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
Of course, there are the philosopher bishops of the middle ages, but that's when philosophy got entangled with theology. Bad time...
Now now, don't jump to conclusions. It might have been a swell time.
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
It is the same.
no not really
burden of proof deals with two contradictory propositions, one of which is claimed to be false because of a lack of evidence for the falsehood of the other
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
Too bad you don't know what the strawman actually is. It could only be used in an offensive style when specifically attacking the original argument, which I didn't do.
you're arguing against a misconception; close enough for me
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
Well good for you? I'm just saying I've heard quite a few times that God doesn't exist because He can't be proven. It's a fallacy; the very one you mentioned.
and i'm just saying that you're an idiot to assume that's the norm what with you being open-minded and all n_u
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
Or maybe you should use a better source than google? I don't know.
oh my dear lord
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
I'm just referencing from my logic book, under informal fallacies. It's called "False Accusation of a Fallacy."
in english, "of" is not distributive so you probably shouldn't move it around like that
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
Go to a library, dude.
"bbl gotta go to the library so i can argue on the internet"
i'm at a hospital with a laptop, dude ~_~
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
Don't depend on google for everything.
i don't doodthing;
Quote from: Brooks on February 27, 2009, 03:21:45 PM
Now now, don't jump to conclusions. It might have been a swell time.
yeah, hippo are you sure you can trust those historians n_u
Quote from: Brooks on February 27, 2009, 03:21:45 PM
Now now, don't jump to conclusions. It might have been a swell time.
It seemed like basically a bad time for philosophical progress to me. But I am kind of biased when it comes to faith philosophy. n_u But you are right, there were advancements made during this time.
Bacon wasn't irrational, though. He was an empiricist and a materialist, but he did have very powerful reasons to back up his statements. He wasn't blind to the world.
Knowledge is power after all. :3
guys my college professor really opened my mind omg now i can argue on the internet
Guff,
I hope that you seriously take a philosophy class. Hopefully upper level so you can get involved in discussion. I feel you'd benefit from it. As of right now, I see no reason to continue discussing anything with you because it's pretty obvious you have no basis for argumentation. You are clearly not educated in philosophy like a few others here, so really, I feel like you're waisting my time (which is partly my fault for coming to a forum for this type of discussion). Googling your responses seems rather unacademic. It's not always, I'll give you that, but it seems like you're not getting accurate information. If you're in a hospital and can't get good resources, I'm sorry. However, maybe it's best not to respond and risk making a fool of yourself.
As for trusting historians, no, you can't always. But that's neither here nor there, and since you don't understand breaks in arguments, I wouldn't want to be accused of a strawman.
[spoiler]God is still fake[/spoiler]
Quote from: Monsieur Pamplemousse on February 27, 2009, 03:43:35 PM
Guff,
I hope that you seriously take a philosophy class. Hopefully upper level so you can get involved in discussion. I feel you'd benefit from it. As of right now, I see no reason to continue discussing anything with you because it's pretty obvious you have no basis for argumentation. You are clearly not educated in philosophy like a few others here, so really, I feel like you're waisting my time (which is partly my fault for coming to a forum for this type of discussion). Googling your responses seems rather unacademic. It's not always, I'll give you that, but it seems like you're not getting accurate information. If you're in a hospital and can't get good resources, I'm sorry. However, maybe it's best not to respond and risk making a fool of yourself.
This kind of sneering condescension is unwarranted, especially coming from a pretentious hack like you.
No one cares that you've taken philosophy classes, so stop mentioning it at every opportunity you get. It's clear that all they've taught you is how to have a high opinion of yourself--nothing more. If people here aren't worthy of discussing things with you, then maybe you should just stick to circlejerks with your philosophy buddies from school. I'm sure you get off a lot more easily with people who are as educated and "open-minded" as you are.
i'm open-minded so i'll just concur with what slim said bassir;
but yeah your elitism is a charming quality ~_~
Quote from: guff on February 08, 2009, 11:55:35 PM
the thing about science is that it's okay with not having an answer for everything at the moment hocuspocus;
it's okay with science not having an answer for everything at the moment but if religion doesn't have an answer for everything at the moment then well it's all hogwash and haberdashery.
although separating religion and science is absolutely ridiculous. For anyone who believes in a God to see something in science that clearly contradicts what their belief system says and not think twice about it is ignorant and pretty dumb.
Quote from: Veal on February 27, 2009, 04:38:32 PM
it's okay with science not having an answer for everything at the moment but if religion doesn't have an answer for everything at the moment then well it's all hogwash and haberdashery.
Well it's more of religion not having an answer for anything that can't be cited elsewhere through the contradiction-full Bible(which I don't get how people can use it in 2 ways, and when they agree with it say it's the infallible word of God, yet once a contradiction or something retarded is pointed out, it's a mistake by many translations by men.)
Quotealthough separating religion and science is absolutely ridiculous. For anyone who believes in a God to see something in science that clearly contradicts what their belief system says and not think twice about it is ignorant and pretty dumb.
YES
And because I can't resist pissing people off:
Quote from: Veal on February 27, 2009, 04:38:32 PM....anyone who believes in a God...is ignorant and pretty dumb.
spam;
Quote from: Raekewn on February 27, 2009, 04:43:15 PM
And because I can't resist pissing people off:
Atheists can be so original sometimes it just blows my mind.
Quote from: Raekewn on February 27, 2009, 04:43:15 PM
And because I can't resist pissing people off:
spam;
I'm so angry I think I'll just have to go out and inquisition some nonbelievers for that remark
Quote from: Veal on February 27, 2009, 04:47:29 PM
Atheists can be so original sometimes it just blows my mind.
ino it was like omg dis is good joke
Quote from: YPR on February 27, 2009, 04:50:29 PM
I'm so angry I think I'll just have to go out and inquisition some nonbelievers for that remark
You would. baddood; baddood; baddood; baddood;
hey guys i love Jesus can i get an amen? baddood;
william lane craig lol
Quote from: Brooks on February 27, 2009, 06:35:59 PM
hey guys i love Jesus can i get an amen? baddood;
no but you caen have some ramen
Quote from: joeinc on March 03, 2009, 05:50:42 AM
no but you caen have some ramen
is it spiritually liberating ramen
Quote from: joeinc on March 03, 2009, 05:50:42 AM
no but you caen have some ramen
I say ramen instead of amen sometimes...
the kalam cosmological arguement lol
My feeli9ngs have changed towards "God". I'm agnostic now,and that's how it'll stay.
THE TIDES HAVE TURNED. NON BELIEF IS ON TOP. madood; madood; madood;
Quote from: Raekewn on March 06, 2009, 11:04:37 AM
THE TIDES HAVE TURNED. NON BELIEF IS ON TOP. madood; madood; madood;
by one
Quote from: Original_MIB on March 06, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
by one
One can decide all. baddood;
If there are 63 matter particles and 62 anti-matter particles and they all collide, the one survivor will be the matter. akudood;
Quote from: Raekewn on March 06, 2009, 11:04:37 AM
THE TIDES HAVE TURNED. NON BELIEF IS ON TOP. madood; madood; madood;
Bunch of suck ups if you ask me
whoops n_u
Quote from: Nyerp on March 06, 2009, 01:16:42 PM
whoops n_u
This is serious discussion. Lying about your beliefs is an eternity in HELL akudood;
Quote from: Raekewn on March 06, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
This is serious discussion. Lying about your beliefs is an eternity in HELL akudood;
sounds hot :3
That's a [bless] for Nyerp n_u
This poll is worthless now, you momon. akudood;
Whoever wrote the bible should write a sequal and make twice as much money from people who don't know the difference between fiction and reality.
Quote from: Geno on March 06, 2009, 01:40:37 PM
Whoever wrote the bible should write a sequal and make twice as much money from people who don't know the difference between fiction and reality.
And then they should bestow upon us the secret for eternal youth to explain how they've stayed alive for all these millennia.
Quote from: Slim on March 06, 2009, 01:44:06 PM
And then they should bestow upon us the secret for eternal youth to explain how they've stayed alive for all these millennia.
Yes but they should make the book first
Quote from: Raekewn on March 06, 2009, 01:08:42 PM
One can decide all. baddood;
If there are 63 matter particles and 62 anti-matter particles and they all collide, the one survivor will be the matter. akudood;
it was still by one, lol
now 2
jmv's votes are disqualified if he voted on jmv290 and non-phixion ;)
Quote from: Fatman Scoop on March 08, 2009, 04:54:10 PM
jmv's votes are disqualified if he voted on jmv290 and non-phixion ;)
i did naut akudood;