I'm always one to stand up for religious co-existence from all perspectives. I can't stand seeing a believer condemning a non-believer and I can't stand a non-believer condemning a believer. But Christians on facebook have really made me rethink this.
There's a lot of people who I don't really talk about religion with at school, but on facebook they have all these fucking bible quotes on their profiles and some even put up long notes about living God's way and getting to heaven. I was raised catholic, and today's catholic attitude is "relax, drink some wine, enjoy the lord, and if you sin, tell the priest and it's all good". But all these folks going to that fancy-schmancy baptist superchurch scare me.
QuoteMan, I felt God so strong 2nite it was insane. During worship it was hard for me to stand on my own. God is the reason that i live everyday!
I don't know. One side of me wants to go with my idea of whatever gets you through life. I personally need no god to live happily, but some people do and that's okay. But there's this sort of lack of individualism. I hear "live the lord's way!" and "the lord guides my life!". WHAT THE FUCK. Can't you guys give yourself a little bit of credit? Can't you just live your way instead of trying to please god? Sometimes this is okay, like this one guy who was really screwing up and looked to god to get his act together. But most of the time it's like... come on, get an identity!
I honestly don't know what to think. ITT: Christians on Facebook.
QuotetuVe uN suEno..coNtigO..hacieNDote eL amoOor..Por eL pisO ;-)..gNiiTe fB jaja
oh wait
Uh, I remember one pissed me off since it inferred that atheists were bad people and couldn't be happy. I just ignore the others.
Quote from: JMV on August 26, 2009, 07:35:52 PM
oh wait
Uh, I remember one pissed me off since it inferred that atheists were bad people and couldn't be happy. I just ignore the others.
I haven't seen direct persecution to non-Christians, but I've seen close to it. I saw "Christ is the ONLY way", which is indirectly saying "no Jesus? YOU MAD!". I was very disappointed.
mommy, if god hates fags, does he hate christfags too?
There's a poll on Livingsocial (I think) that says "Do you think atheism should be banned in America?"
something like 15% of people said yes
How is one a believer? Are you stating that we don't believe something we should be believing? akudood; I think religion is a blanket of ignorance that gives people wrong answers they want to hear. I don't care what you believe, just keep it to yourself and don't bring it to the government.
People need to come to grips with the fact that most people do believe in god. I have no problem with it. In fact, I find that most so-called "christfags" have good moral values and dont necessarily display the overly socially conservative traits that they're sterotyped with. I think it's nice that they have something like that which gets them through life and makes them feel better about their problems. Good for them.
Quote from: Title on August 27, 2009, 07:49:36 AM
People need to come to grips with the fact that most people do believe in god. I have no problem with it. In fact, I find that most so-called "christfags" have good moral values and dont necessarily display the overly socially conservative traits that they're sterotyped with. I think it's nice that they have something like that which gets them through life and makes them feel better about their problems. Good for them.
Yeah, but the problem comes when they mix their beliefs into laws that affect everyone.
Quote from: Jet Black Wii on August 26, 2009, 08:23:52 PM
There's a poll on Livingsocial (I think) that says "Do you think atheism should be banned in America?"
something like 15% of people said yes
I'm hurt suicide;
Quote from: Rawl on August 27, 2009, 07:53:58 AM
Yeah, but the problem comes when they mix their beliefs into laws that affect everyone.
so every christian is suddenly a legislator now? baddood;
Quote from: Det in Fâ,,¯ Major on August 27, 2009, 10:32:43 AM
so every christian is suddenly a legislator now? baddood;
A majority of legislators are christian.
Quote from: Det in Fâ,,¯ Major on August 27, 2009, 10:32:43 AM
so every christian is suddenly a legislator now? baddood;
Uh, there are a lot of laws that are influenced by Christian beliefs voted on by Christian representatives. akudood;
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 10:34:14 AM
A majority of legislators are christian.
i realize that, but the way the sentence was phrased made it sound the opposite.
Quote from: Rawl on August 27, 2009, 10:35:29 AM
Uh, there are a lot of laws that are influenced by Christian beliefs voted on by Christian representatives. akudood;
which ones do you have a problem with?
Quote from: Det in Fâ,,¯ Major on August 27, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
i realize that, but the way the sentence was phrased made it sound the opposite.
which ones do you have a problem with?
Well first off, why is gay marriage banned in most of the US? akudood;
Second of all, they're trying to teach kids creationism in schools with our taxpayer money. akudood;
Then we have the abortion laws which prohibited people to do what they should be allowed to do. akudood;
Gay marriage is banned in most of the US because most US citizens don't want gay marriage.
Quote from: Zach on August 27, 2009, 10:56:37 AM
Gay marriage is banned in most of the US because most US citizens don't want gay marriage.
Then why does the Mormon church feel the need to spend millions fighting it?
Most bans are not the result of votes and the few bans that are, are all in highly religious southern states.
i.e. they're forcing their religious values on those who aren't of that religion.
Quote from: Zach on August 27, 2009, 10:56:37 AM
Gay marriage is banned in most of the US because most US citizens don't want gay marriage.
because they are uneducated close minded conservative christians
Quote from: Travis on August 27, 2009, 11:05:10 AM
because they are uneducated close minded conservative christians
Or because they have moral values that they strongly value. Should I call you uneducated and close-minded for your set of moral beliefs?
I agree that religion should be kept out of the government for the most part, but I do find it odd that legislators aren't supposed to call upon their moral code when voting. Your morals are part of who you are and how you believe the world should behave, so they naturally are going to influence how you vote.
Quote from: Zach on August 27, 2009, 11:20:27 AM
Or because they have moral values that they strongly value. Should I call you uneducated and close-minded for your set of moral beliefs?
I agree that religion should be kept out of the government for the most part, but I do find it odd that legislators aren't supposed to call upon their moral code when voting. Your morals are part of who you are and how you believe the world should behave, so they naturally are going to influence how you vote.
When a human equality is taken away, there is a problem. akudood; My god, you are really stupid aren't you?
Quote from: Zach on August 27, 2009, 10:56:37 AM
Gay marriage is banned in most of the US because most US citizens don't want gay marriage.
just because the majority thinks something doesn't mean it's right :(
Quote from: Zach on August 27, 2009, 11:20:27 AM
I agree that religion should be kept out of the government for the most part
what about the less part giggle;
Quote from: Zach on August 27, 2009, 11:20:27 AM
Or because they have moral values that they strongly value. Should I call you uneducated and close-minded for your set of moral beliefs?
I agree that religion should be kept out of the government for the most part, but I do find it odd that legislators aren't supposed to call upon their moral code when voting. Your morals are part of who you are and how you believe the world should behave, so they naturally are going to influence how you vote.
just like rawl said, if gay people have no choice that they're gay then they shouldn't get something like marriage taken away doodhuh;
Quote from: Travis on August 27, 2009, 11:25:35 AM
just like rawl said, if gay people have no choice that they're gay then they shouldn't get something like marriage taken away doodhuh;
I'm not saying gay marriage should be banned. I was just explaining why it is. I don't like gay marriage, but I don't think that gay couples should be denied the benefits that heterosexual couples get through marriage.
Quote from: Rawl on August 27, 2009, 11:24:09 AM
When a human equality is taken away, there is a problem. akudood; My god, you are really stupid aren't you?
no, see above
hey guys a majority of people once thought slavery was
ok baddood;
Quote from: Zach on August 27, 2009, 11:20:27 AM
Or because they have moral values that they strongly value. Should I call you uneducated and close-minded for your set of moral beliefs?
Then
they don't need to get a gay marriage.
Their "moral values" come from their religion. Therefore they are imposing their religious values upon others.
Buddhism allows same sex marriage
As do some sects of Hinduism
Paganism, Wicca, New-ageystuff, all of that allow it.
Of course Atheism, being a lack of religion, allows it.
Universalists allow it
Not even all Christian sects oppose same sex marriage.
There are no "moral values", but rather "imposed religious values" involved.
Quote
I agree that religion should be kept out of the government for the most part, but I do find it odd that legislators aren't supposed to call upon their moral code when voting. Your morals are part of who you are and how you believe the world should behave, so they naturally are going to influence how you vote.
White southerners in the first 200 years of the country had moral values that included enslaving people for their race, beating them, lynching them, and segregating them.
Surely that bigotry should be tolerated since it's "moral values". I'd say that is even more tolerable than opposing same sex marriage though because the racism(though it seems slavery was justified by some using the bible) didn't have the excuse of "God says they're an abomination."
Quote from: Zach on August 27, 2009, 11:34:51 AM
I'm not saying gay marriage should be banned. I was just explaining why it is. I don't like gay marriage, but I don't think that gay couples should be denied the benefits that heterosexual couples get through marriage.
But you pretty much said that it's okay if it's banned since the majority of the people are ignorant and want take human rights away. akudood;
Weird, I went to a catholic school and I never see any of these types of posts from my friends.
Quote from: Rawl on August 27, 2009, 11:36:45 AM
But you pretty much said that it's okay if it's banned since the majority of the people are ignorant and want take human rights away. akudood;
I didn't say that it's okay, just that it's generally how things work. Tons of ignorant racists supported slavery for centuries and therefore slavery was law. It wasn't until the South broke away from the Union and the Civil War started that we had a chance to end slavery. Lincoln wasn't even interested in ending slavery as much as he was preserving the Union, but towards the end of the war it made perfect sense as a tactical move.
Quote from: j o e i n c on August 27, 2009, 11:24:51 AM
just because the majority thinks something doesn't mean it's right
Truth.
Guys it's okay if you don't believe in God or whatever and if doing so makes you feel like more of an individual and like you have more control over life. I mean I totally respect that. Just keep your atheistic morals and beliefs out of our government.
Quote from: YPR on August 27, 2009, 11:39:26 AM
Weird, I went to a catholic school and I never see any of these types of posts from my friends.
Quote from: YPR on August 27, 2009, 11:39:26 AM
catholic school.
There. They seem to actually teach things
Catholic retardation only seems to come from sex related things (Condoms/Birth Control/Abortion/Gays/Little Boys) and not bombarding people with bigotry and annoying statuses.
Quote from: Veal on August 27, 2009, 11:45:41 AM
Guys it's okay if you don't believe in God or whatever and if doing so makes you feel like more of an individual and like you have more control over life. I mean I totally respect that. Just keep your atheistic morals and beliefs out of our government.
atheists ahve no morals xDDDDDD
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 11:47:28 AM
There. They seem to actually teach things
Catholic retardation only seems to come from sex related things (Condoms/Birth Control/Abortion/Gays/Little Boys) and not bombarding people with bigotry and annoying statuses.
Hey condoms are scary death chambers and you know it akudood;
Quote from: Veal on August 27, 2009, 11:45:41 AM
Guys it's okay if you don't believe in God or whatever and if doing so makes you feel like more of an individual and like you have more control over life. I mean I totally respect that. Just keep your atheistic morals and beliefs out of our government.
governments should be secular
the founding fathers of this country were all secular
and there are no "atheistic morals"... it's not an organization, a religion, nor a faith
Quote from: Veal on August 27, 2009, 11:45:41 AM
Guys it's okay if you don't believe in God or whatever and if doing so makes you feel like more of an individual and like you have more control over life. I mean I totally respect that. Just keep your atheistic morals and beliefs out of our government.
Yeah man, I heard those Atheists totally try to support the belief in believing in something that has no proof. I also heard they're trying to give people equal rights, what assholes. They really shouldn't run our nation passing those crazy Atheist laws that prohibit these things:
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Who the fuck do they think they are imposing those fucking laws to us believers of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. God Bless America.
Quote from: YPR on August 27, 2009, 11:48:43 AM
Hey condoms are scary death chambers and you know it akudood;
I heard hitler filled condoms with Jews.
Quote from: Bassir on August 27, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
governments should be secular
the founding fathers of this country were all secular
and there are no "atheistic morals"... it's not an organization, a religion, nor a faith
Dern commies tryin' ta make this not a chrishin nation like it was founded as
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 11:52:03 AM
I heard hitler filled condoms with Jews.
um no that never happened
and Hitler is just a myth
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 11:47:28 AM
There. They seem to actually teach things
Catholic retardation only seems to come from sex related things (Condoms/Birth Control/Abortion/Gays/Little Boys) and not bombarding people with bigotry and annoying statuses.
we r doin u a faver, dont u want ur peneis to breeth,ur jus sufogatingg it in dos thangs >:(
Quote from: Det in Fâ,,¯ Major on August 27, 2009, 11:55:07 AM
we r doin u a faver, dont u want ur peneis to breeth,ur jus sufogatingg it in dos thangs >:(
my penis was bad
it needs to be punished
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 11:55:47 AM
my penis was bad
it needs to be punished
cut it off
be a jew
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 11:52:03 AM
Dern commies tryin' ta make this not a chrishin nation like it was founded as
i cant believe that commie NOBAMA is trying to make america a muslim country
did u hear his speech?? he said america was a MUSLIM country
back to Christianity
it's bullshit
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I don't have to deal with Christfags. cjlubdoods;
But...
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smithicide;
Quote from: GENOP on August 27, 2009, 11:57:11 AM
back to Christianity
it's bullshit
All religion is bullshit, people are afraid to get answers so they settle for illogical ones their religion gives them. People are scared of death so they want to believe if they do those silly rituals they will live forever in heaven.
akudood;
I have some pretty christian friends one is even gonna be a priest but they aren't like that. He is actually probably my best friend.
Quote from: GENOP on August 27, 2009, 11:57:11 AM
back to Christianity
it's bullshit
u mean god didnt really turn someone into a pillar of salt
Quote from: Bassir on August 27, 2009, 11:58:18 AM
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I don't have to deal with Christfags. cjlubdoods;
But...
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smithicide;
Well people who are "fuk religion man im a kewl atheist because i feel liek a rebel!" are no better since most of them fail to see the things that really make religion horrible and are just atheist because they're lazy and don't feel like reading a religious book.
Uh atheists are not an organization or religion or faith but how does that change anything? You guys are all looking at this as "Christians are just taking whatever is in the Bible and shoving it down our throats. They're not even thinking, they just believe whatever their religion says blindly! Atheists on the other hand come up with morals and laws each individually all on their own, which makes their beliefs way more valid." Well if you believe that you really aren't thinking. I believe what I believe for a REASON. Not just because I like following some 2,000 year old book and whatever some old people say. I'm 19, I can think on my own, and same goes for the rest of us who believe these things. Sure "atheism" is not a religion or an organization but there sure is a goddamn lot of you who all believe the same thing and are all banding together to get the same laws passed. I don't see how that's any different than "Christians" all "forcing their beliefs" on everyone.
You guys are forcing your beliefs just as hard. All you want is equal rights and to not prohibit things? Where does that end? You say you only want to make laws prohibiting people to do things that will harm others. Well guess what, "Christians" or whatever are the same way except we disagree on what "harms" others. In my opinion, homosexuality is harmful. Sex out of marriage is harmful. Drugs are harmful. It's harmful to the people doing it, and it's harmful to others. Let's not make this an argument about gay marriage or whatever though, this is about "forcing beliefs" on others. We're not forcing our beliefs any more than you are. We're trying to do what we think is fucking best for the country and for society as a whole, not just trying to put a limit on fun and happiness and make everyone the same. So stop acting like we have our Bibles down your throats when in reality we have our arms open wide.
And Rawl, you're 17. Grow up.
Okay, either Veil is making fun of religion, or hes just really retarded and doesn't realize how stupid he sounds. akudood;
Quote from: Veal on August 27, 2009, 12:07:48 PM
And Rawl, you're 17. Grow up.
Who still talks to their ceiling and thinks there is a wizard in the sky that makes everything better
after you die? akudood;
how is being gay harmful to others
how is having sex before marriage harmful to others
how are durgs harmful to others
Quote from: j o e i n c on August 27, 2009, 12:11:08 PM
how is being gay harmful to others
how is having sex before marriage harmful to others
how are durgs harmful to others
hay man, you need to grow up and see how you're harming others by minding your own business and being happy
Quote from: j o e i n c on August 27, 2009, 12:11:08 PM
how is being gay harmful to others
how is having sex before marriage harmful to others
how are durgs harmful to others
I agree on the first two but the last can have harmful effects on your friends and family
Quote from: Rawl on August 27, 2009, 12:11:49 PM
hay man, you need to grow up and see how you're harming others by minding your own business and being happy
damn you and your logic Q('_' Q)
echo
i would say yes DURGS CAN be harmful. of course it depends on what durg. i think addictive durgs are harmful because they change yer brain all up.
it also depends on the usage.
of course that's just for the individual.
for friends and family durgs are only a problem if
1. they have a moral problem with them EX. religion
2. the person has a problem like addiction or whatever
3. your meth lab blows up
4. 2nd hand smoke
What rational reason do you have to believing in it? You say you have a reason but you never elaborate.
Religion is detrimental to society, it's primitive thinking, it's irrational, it's not based on any valid evidence, and it's all just bullshit. The fact that you say you have a reason in believing any of it makes you look like an idiot. You just have to be an idiot to follow any of that dogma, and apparently you are.
Are you saying religion is great because it provides a moral code of values? Seriously? You can have morality and a society with values without all the intolerance and ignorance of religion. Look at Norway and Sweden. They're doing fine, I don't see everyone getting drunk and killing each other like you religious folk think what atheists do. Religion is completely unnecessary to guide society. The only things that should be prohibited are those that are harmful to OTHERS.
As for forcing beliefs, Christians and the church are perhaps the most belief flaunting faggots in the country. Atheists don't talk about it as much as christians do. Religious people can't go two sentences without mentioning God or Jesus, or Yahweh or Allah—it's not only annoying, it's stupid. You're stupid. Religion isn't good for society, that's the problem. It's actually detrimental to society, by indoctrinating our youth to reject science and rationality for magic and Hogwarts. Our youth comes out retarded like you—thinking Christians have the best in mind for society... Christians want Jesus to come back and want the world to end. Jews want to rule the world, and Muslims want Jesus to announce he's Muslim and end the war in an apocalyptic battle against the anti-christ. That's the prime agenda on all these religious folks' minds—they couldn't care less about how well society could function.
If you take the approach that this life is all we got—and that there is no god watching us, and every person starving in this planet is our fault, and it's not an imaginary man's responsibility, we get a mindset that helps society as a whole. We begin to focus on how we can better things for everyone. How, because this life is it, we embrace our human curiosities and study the cosmos and pass legislation and policies that benefit society as a whole. Equality. We don't get that with religion—religion is anti-egalitarian. Religious people think this is all simply a test, and this world is meaningless. That's a stupid way to live, it really is. There is no evidence to prove their viewpoint, and until there is, this life is all we got, this planet is all we got, and we need to care and respect for each other... and that isn't going to happen until religion is gone. I wish.
Religion encourages closed-mindedness, racism, elitism, ignorance, intolerance, bigotry, condescendence, and idiocy. There's no good in that. No good at all.
Quote from: Veal on August 27, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
Uh atheists are not an organization or religion or faith but how does that change anything?
Hold this thought for a second.
QuoteYou guys are all looking at this as "Christians are just taking whatever is in the Bible and shoving it down our throats. They're not even thinking, they just believe whatever their religion says blindly! Atheists on the other hand come up with morals and laws each individually all on their own, which makes their beliefs way more valid."
They come up with morals and values based on what benefits society.
QuoteWell if you believe that you really aren't thinking. I believe what I believe for a REASON.
What is the reason?
QuoteNot just because I like following some 2,000 year old book and whatever some old people say.
Tell that to the tens of millions of Americans whose arguments against Same-sex marriage is "lol if god wanted men to marry men he would make adam and steve xDDD", It's bullshit to pretend that religion isn't a major factor in that bigotry.
QuoteI'm 19, I can think on my own, and same goes for the rest of us who believe these things.
As a whole, that isn't true for most Christians in this country.
QuoteSure "atheism" is not a religion or an organization but there sure is a goddamn lot of you who all believe the same thing and are all banding together to get the same laws passed. I don't see how that's any different than "Christians" all "forcing their beliefs" on everyone.
The only belief that defines "atheism" is the lack of a belief in a God. The only argument against many of the things we "ae all banding together" for are based on religion. There are no logical arguments against it.
How isn't it any different?
Christians banning same sex marriage:
Homosexuals who don't believe the teachings of that religion are unable to get married. The christian values are depriving them of a civil right.
"Atheists" allowing same-sex marriage:
protip: no one is being forced to do anything. We aren't forcing you to go let a man fuck you in the ass. We aren't forcing your church to allow them to marry. What "we are forcing" is equality under the law.
"Our values" aren't forcing you to violate your own values: they are just allowing people who don't share your values to live a life with their own values.
QuoteYou guys are forcing your beliefs just as hard.
if those atheists get their way I will be forced to suck dicks and abort my babies.
QuoteAll you want is equal rights and to not prohibit things?
Prohibiting bigotry, indoctrination, and other methods that restrict rights of others.
QuoteWhere does that end?
This slope sure is slippery
QuoteYou say you only want to make laws prohibiting people to do things that will harm others.
uh a subset of people do yes
QuoteWell guess what, "Christians" or whatever are the same way except we disagree on what "harms" others.
ie actions that will SMITE YE
QuoteIn my opinion, homosexuality is harmful.
Buttsex hurts? I dont' get how it's harmful.
QuoteSex out of marriage is harmful
Only the first time.
QuoteDrugs are harmful.
1. Marijuana isn't.
2. Sending people to jail for years and destroying families is far more harmful.
QuoteIt's harmful to the people doing it, and it's harmful to others.
I heard of this guy that smoked so much pot that he ate 3 bags of cheetos and a large pizza.
QuoteLet's not make this an argument about gay marriage or whatever though, this is about "forcing beliefs" on others. We're not forcing our beliefs any more than you are.
Yes you are. Banning it is forcing your belief that is wrong upon everyone and not allowing those who dont' have a problem with it to marry. Allowing it doesn't remove your right to be against it and not get a same-sex marriage. It does preserve the right of everyone else though.
QuoteWe're trying to do what we think is fucking best for the country and for society as a whole, not just trying to put a limit on fun and happiness and make everyone the same. So stop acting like we have our Bibles down your throats when in reality we have our arms open wide.
Name an argument against same-sex marriage that isn't based on the Bible
PREEMPTIVE ARGUMENT:
-Infertile Couples
-Couples who don't want to have children
lemme guess veal
where you raised as a christian? as a kid
were you taught when you were a kid that that is what was right
Oh you've done it now JMV, Veal will prove you wrong and show how horrible Atheists are shoving those beliefs down our throats. Just put on your Vans, adjust your studded belt, and put on your Aviator glasses and kick JMV's ass with your Christian logic Veil. Q('_' Q)
Quote from: Rawl on August 27, 2009, 12:09:50 PM
Okay, either Veil is making fun of religion, or hes just really retarded and doesn't realize how stupid he sounds. akudood;
Yeah those are the only two options, aren't they Rowl?
Quote from: Rawl on August 27, 2009, 12:10:55 PM
Who still talks to their ceiling and thinks there is a wizard in the sky that makes everything better after you die? akudood;
I don't know who, the fuck
does that, Riwl?
Quote from: Rawl on August 27, 2009, 12:33:32 PM
Oh you've done it now JMV, Veal will prove you wrong and show how horrible Atheists are shoving those beliefs down our throats. Just put on your Vans, adjust your studded belt, and put on your Aviator glasses and kick JMV's ass with your Christian logic Veil. Q('_' Q)
Hey how did you know I wear all those things Rewl?!
Hey I have to go to work and then to my friend's house maybe I can respond to the rest later tonight but that depends on how much there is so try not to circle jerk each other for another 9 hours. Bye.
Oh also stop making me out as some horrible person who's attacking everyone. I mean jeez louise I'm just defending what I believe in, I'm not the one who made a thread about "christfags".
But I want a reply to my post. :( :( :(
Why is it that there can never be a debate without childish insults...
Quote from: j o e i n c on August 27, 2009, 12:31:16 PM
lemme guess veal
where you raised as a christian? as a kid
were you taught when you were a kid that that is what was right
I really don't think that matters considering the amount of athiests that grew up in such a family... Most did
Quote from: YPR on August 27, 2009, 12:50:00 PM
Why is it that there can never be a debate without childish insults..
I insulted no one. baddood;
QuoteI really don't think that matters considering the amount of athiests that grew up in such a family... Most did
it's more of an argument that had he been born into a muslim or hindu family he might have a different opinion
Quote from: Title on August 27, 2009, 07:49:36 AM
People need to come to grips with the fact that most people do believe in god. I have no problem with it. In fact, I find that most so-called "christfags" have good moral values and dont necessarily display the overly socially conservative traits that they're sterotyped with. I think it's nice that they have something like that which gets them through life and makes them feel better about their problems. Good for them.
This is what I think. I regret making this thread. I was a little irritated about their blind faith and lack of individualism, so I made this thread.
Yeah, really, guys. Blind faith can bother all of us from time to time, but most of the world is still religious, and most of the faithful are good people. No minority became accepted as an equal by criticizing the white man, you know. It's good to stop the unwanted aspects of religion, but hating religion as a whole goes too far.
...I really regret making this thread. saddood;
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 12:51:32 PM
I insulted no one. baddood;
Never said you did baddood;
Quote from: coz on August 27, 2009, 12:59:01 PMNo minority became accepted as an equal by criticizing the white man, you know.
They became accepted as equal by criticizing bigotry and the roots of it.
That's exactly what "we're" doing.
QuoteIt's good to stop the unwanted aspects of religion, but hating religion as a whole goes too far.
I don't think anyone here has attacked religious humanitarianism. All I've seen is attacking its indoctrination, psychological abuse, attempts to force itself into schools and government, and atrocities.
Quote from: YPR on August 27, 2009, 12:50:00 PM
I really don't think that matters considering the amount of athiests that grew up in such a family... Most did
sure.
i was just wondering, just a question. I'd say most religious folk were raised that way. They were taught that was what was right when they were a kid and so they believe that is what's right
as for me my parents never taught me anything about religion. i did go to a christian daycare. i believed in god and the bible when i was young. i grew out of it
Quote from: Bassir on August 27, 2009, 12:21:17 PM
Religion encourages closed-mindedness, racism, elitism, ignorance, intolerance, bigotry, condescendence, and idiocy. There's no good in that. No good at all.
Okay first off I'd like to say you come off as extremely close-minded, elitist, ignorant, intolerant, and condescending. I'd like you to read over what you write but from the perspective of someone who isn't an asshole and you'll see what I mean. You talk about atheism as though it is the greatest thing in the world, and about religion as though it is the worst thing in the world, and you don't even have the decency to know what you're talking about or what Christians actually believe. You are intolerant and close-minded towards religion, elitist and condescending to anyone who doesn't believe what you do, and ignorant to anything beyond common stereotypes. I don't normally resort to insults but I really want you to see the hypocrisy that consumes everything you say. Plus you called me an idiot several times.
Reaaally, Bassir?
Quote from: Bassir on August 27, 2009, 12:21:17 PM
What rational reason do you have to believing in it? You say you have a reason but you never elaborate.
That's right! Because that's not what this argument it's about, and what you're talking about has been argued a million times before and I've already stated my reasons and beliefs here before. Why do I believe what I believe? That could easily fill a book case. What we're talking about right now is why people want to "force their beliefs on others" and how Christians are viewed as a whole.
Quote from: Bassir on August 27, 2009, 12:21:17 PM
Religion is detrimental to society, it's primitive thinking, it's irrational, it's not based on any valid evidence, and it's all just bullshit. The fact that you say you have a reason in believing any of it makes you look like an idiot. You just have to be an idiot to follow any of that dogma, and apparently you are.
Oh yeah I forgot that believing something different than you makes me look like an idiot.
Do you have any friends?
Quote from: Bassir on August 27, 2009, 12:21:17 PM
Are you saying religion is great because it provides a moral code of values?
Nope, I never said that. I don't know why you thought I said that.
Quote from: Bassir on August 27, 2009, 12:21:17 PM
As for forcing beliefs, Christians and the church are perhaps the most belief flaunting faggots in the country. Atheists don't talk about it as much as christians do. Religious people can't go two sentences without mentioning God or Jesus, or Yahweh or Allahâ,”it's not only annoying, it's stupid. You're stupid. Religion isn't good for society, that's the problem. It's actually detrimental to society, by indoctrinating our youth to reject science and rationality for magic and Hogwarts. Our youth comes out retarded like youâ,”thinking Christians have the best in mind for society... Christians want Jesus to come back and want the world to end. Jews want to rule the world, and Muslims want Jesus to announce he's Muslim and end the war in an apocalyptic battle against the anti-christ. That's the prime agenda on all these religious folks' mindsâ,”they couldn't care less about how well society could function.
Oh my God. I'm trying to think up a rational argument but that would be like arguing with someone who believes 2+2=7. You quite simply
don't know what you're talking about. I don't know how to make it more clear. "Christians want Jesus to come back and want the world to end. Jews want to rule the world, and Muslims want Jesus to announce he's Muslim and end the war in an apocalyptic battle against the anti-christ.". Seriously? Come on. Are you sober right now? Where do you even get your information? It sounds like you were raised in some kind of anti-religious cult. I am literally astounded by how little you know about what any given religion believes. Oh and you also called me stupid and a faggot so maybe you're just in middle school? I don't get it.
well that was a long insult
god doesn't exist, thread over doodhuh;
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 12:51:32 PM
it's more of an argument that had he been born into a muslim or hindu family he might have a different opinion
hey baddood;
i've questioned my beliefs a bunch of times and pretty much every time i do i find an answer. if there weren't answers or it didn't make sense to me then i would've given up religion long ago. a godless life is much easier than a god-following life
anyway just leave veal alone if you're picking on him or some other christian. let him do his thing. this is why people get angry at atheists all the time. they need to learn to mind their own business.
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 12:26:17 PM
They come up with morals and values based on what benefits society.
Just like Christians. Our morals and values are grounded in the Bible because the morals and values in there benefit society. And that's what we believe. We don't believe that simply because they're in the Bible. We look at history and friends and our own pasts and everything, and decide "Oh. That matches up. That makes sense." If it didn't I WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT. I am not an idiot, I am not a fool, I am not a sheep. I believe what I believe because it makes sense to believe it. Because I've done research. Because I've seen the effects of not following those morals in both history and the present. Because of my experiences. What I was originally saying, and what I am saying now, is NOT that Atheists shove their beliefs down everybody's throats, but that Christians do that no more than Atheists do. We want what we believe is best for society as much as you do. Am I going to go into all these reasons right now? No! Are you kidding me? I'm not going to argue about all of this, plus drugs, plus gay marriage, plus abstinence all in one thread! I've done plenty of that, we all have. The point is that we as Christians are not simply trying to limit happiness. We're trying to spread it. Sometimes limitations are necessary for that. Is a parent limiting their child by not letting them put their hand in a fire? Are they shoving their beliefs down that child's throat? Is that child going to hurt anyone else by putting their hand in that fire? No. No. And no. But to let the child do whatever they please would be dangerously irresponsible.
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 12:26:17 PM
"Our values" aren't forcing you to violate your own values: they are just allowing people who don't share your values to live a life with their own values.
Cool. Except one of my values is trying to fight against the degradation of society.
Do you guys also believe we should legalize cocaine and meth and any other substance that is used for pleasure? Should somebody who doesn't know better always be allowed to do whatever they please to themselves? How is that caring for anyone? How is that benefiting society?
Quote from: RDX on August 27, 2009, 08:47:01 PM
i've questioned my beliefs a bunch of times and pretty much every time i do i find an answer. if there weren't answers or it didn't make sense to me then i would've given up religion long ago. a godless life is much easier than a god-following life
Damn straight.
legalize it baby
Quote from: Veal on August 27, 2009, 08:49:56 PM
Just like Christians. Our morals and values are grounded in the Bible because the morals and values in there benefit society.
The first two commandments are about worshipping God. That offers no benefit to society. Later it mentions killing non believers, gays, and many other groups. I fail to see that benefit to society. Wearing clothes made with different fabrics? Circumcision? Shell fish? Those are also laws in that book.
QuoteAnd that's what we believe. We don't believe that simply because they're in the Bible.
Again with the generalizations. It's foolish to pretend there isn't a large number of christians who take what their preachers say the Bible says as irrefutable fact.
QuoteWe look at history and friends and our own pasts and everything, and decide "Oh. That matches up. That makes sense." If it didn't I WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT. I am not an idiot, I am not a fool, I am not a sheep. I believe what I believe because it makes sense to believe it. Because I've done research.
The research that says the earth is only 6000 years old? That evolution somehow doesn't happen even though it's been observed? What research have you done?
QuoteBecause I've seen the effects of not following those morals in both history and the present.
What are the effects other than the pope sending in the Knights Templar to kill you?
QuoteBecause of my experiences. What I was originally saying, and what I am saying now, is NOT that Atheists shove their beliefs down everybody's throats, but that Christians do that no more than Atheists do.
I haven't seen any atheists trying to get laws pushed forcing schools to teach that there is no god. Teaching evolution says nothing about the existence of a god, so dont' try to pull that.
QuoteWe want what we believe is best for society as much as you do. Am I going to go into all these reasons right now? No! Are you kidding me? I'm not going to argue about all of this, plus drugs, plus gay marriage, plus abstinence all in one thread!
No, give me a reason why gay marriage is bad for society that isn't based on the Bible stating it's bad.
QuoteI've done plenty of that, we all have. The point is that we as Christians are not simply trying to limit happiness. We're trying to spread it
The homosexual population is overwhelmed with euphoria with the revelation that they cannot marry the person they love.
QuoteSometimes limitations are necessary for that. Is a parent limiting their child by not letting them put their hand in a fire? Are they shoving their beliefs down that child's throat? Is that child going to hurt anyone else by putting their hand in that fire? No. No. And no. But to let the child do whatever they please would be dangerously irresponsible.
What does that have to do with Gay Marriage?
QuoteCool. Except one of my values is trying to fight against the degradation of society.
Which one is that?
QuoteDo you guys also believe we should legalize cocaine and meth and any other substance that is used for pleasure? Should somebody who doesn't know better always be allowed to do whatever they please to themselves? How is that caring for anyone? How is that benefiting society?
They should be heavily restricted and fined. Jail time for such is disgusting. How is sending an addict to jail caring for them? You're not helping them. Helping them is allowing them to get treatment without them being afraid of going to jail for longer than a murderer.
or were you assuming that because some atheists support complete de-regulation of drugs that all do lol
Quote
Damn straight.
Yeah, I mean it's so hard having an all powerful deity to fall back on and give blame/credit to for everything than taking personal responsibility or looking for the real reason.
that is such a hard life. I mean so many atheists got out of jail time for saying "NOTHING MADE ME DO IT. NOTHING MADE ME REFUSE TREATMENT FOR MY CHILD".
jmv, do you seriously not know the benefits of circumcision? doodhuh;
Quote from: RDX on August 27, 2009, 10:13:23 PM
jmv, do you seriously not know the benefits of circumcision? doodhuh;
there's not really any benefit
Quote from: Travis on August 27, 2009, 10:14:39 PM
there's not really any benefit
besides the head being more sensitive (AKA BETTER SECKS LOLE) and decreased risk of infection and not having an ugly penis akudood;
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on August 27, 2009, 10:16:08 PM
besides the head being more sensitive (AKA BETTER SECKS LOLE) and decreased risk of infection and not having an ugly penis akudood;
wait, what
i've heard that non-circumsized is more sensitive
Quote from: RDX on August 27, 2009, 10:13:23 PM
jmv, do you seriously not know the benefits of circumcision? doodhuh;
Assuming you wash it properly the only benefit is not having an ugly dick.
Yeah I heard that non-circumsised is more sensitive, but circumsised is less susceptible to stds
i heard that circumcised penii are low maintenance and are much harder to get infected and they lower the risk of getting AIDS (though if you're having anal then it doesnt matter at all).
Quote from: RDX on August 27, 2009, 10:24:27 PM
i heard that circumcised penii are low maintenance and are much harder to get infected and they lower the risk of getting AIDS (though if you're having anal then it doesnt matter at all).
http://www.askdrsears.com/html/1/t012000.asp#back
First part is true, but like I said "if you clean it properly". STD thing a lie though.
Quote from: JMV on August 27, 2009, 10:25:43 PM
http://www.askdrsears.com/html/1/t012000.asp#back
First part is true, but like I said "if you clean it properly". STD thing a lie though.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32555100/ns/health-aids/
Quote from: RDX on August 27, 2009, 10:28:47 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32555100/ns/health-aids/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090825/ap_on_he_me/us_med_aids_circumcision
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/25/health/main5265403.shtml
I don't get it.
Quote from: RDX on August 27, 2009, 10:35:45 PM
I don't get it.
There are just as many sources claiming that there are medical benefits to circumcision as there are stating there are not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_analysis_of_circumcision
The World Health Organization (WHO; 2007), the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS; 2007), and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC; 2008) state that evidence indicates male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex, but also state that circumcision only provides partial protection and should not replace other interventions to prevent transmission of HIV.[5][6]
You don't trust the WHO or the CDC? akudood;
I mean obviously it's not a flawless protection against HIV but it's something.
Quote from: RDX on August 27, 2009, 10:49:55 PM
The World Health Organization (WHO; 2007), the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS; 2007), and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC; 2008) state that evidence indicates male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex, but also state that circumcision only provides partial protection and should not replace other interventions to prevent transmission of HIV.[5][6]
You don't trust the WHO or the CDC? akudood;
I mean obviously it's not a flawless protection against HIV but it's something.
Over forty epidemiological studies have been conducted to investigate the relationship between male circumcision and HIV infection.[1] Reviews of these studies have reached differing conclusions about whether circumcision could be used as a prevention method against HIV.[2][3][4][5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_and_HIV
I trust the WHO and CDC. I question the validity of the studies.
But you can question the validity of any study akudood;
whatever though i dont want to delve into this any further. i'd rather not make a mess :|
I'd make a mess but it might be hard due to my desensitized, albeit not ugly, penis.
drug prohibition harms society more than it helps it!
Well guys it seems that we are too immature to see Veal's reasoning. Damn, I need me some Jesus.
No, you specifically are just too immature to actually add anything to the discussion besides sarcastic wisecracks treating me like someone who's being a condescending asshole, when all I'm trying to do is explain Christians' actions and beliefs.
Quote from: Veal on August 28, 2009, 08:14:30 AM
No, you specifically are just too immature to actually add anything to the discussion besides sarcastic wisecracks treating me like someone who's being a condescending asshole, when all I'm trying to do is explain Christians' actions and beliefs.
And how homosexuality is not normal and harmful? akudood;
Quote from: Veal on August 28, 2009, 08:14:30 AM
No, you specifically are just too immature to actually add anything to the discussion besides sarcastic wisecracks treating me like someone who's being a condescending asshole, when all I'm trying to do is explain Christians' actions and beliefs.
You completely ignored me twice when I asked why homosexuality is harmful for society. doodthing;
How is that explaining Christian actions and beliefs.
Quote from: Veal on August 27, 2009, 08:30:11 PM
Seriously? Come on. Are you sober right now? Where do you even get your information? It sounds like you were raised in some kind of anti-religious cult. I am literally astounded by how little you know about what any given religion believes. Oh and you also called me stupid and a faggot so maybe you're just in middle school? I don't get it.
I read the bible, the qur'an, and the torah. That's all that's in these holy scriptures, really. akudood;
QuoteOh yeah I forgot that believing something different than you makes me look like an idiot.
Blind faith makes you look like an idiot.
Quoteand about religion as though it is the worst thing in the world, and you don't even have the decency to know what you're talking about or what Christians actually believe.
It is, and I do.
Quote. You are intolerant and close-minded towards religion
Religion, by its nature, is closed-minded.
veal is smelly
Quote from: Bassir on August 28, 2009, 08:31:45 AM
Blind faith makes you look like an idiot.
No, it just makes him a terrible cynic.
Quote from: Bassir on August 28, 2009, 08:31:45 AM
It is, and I do.
Intolerance is something much worse than religion, and the bigotry caused by it is something shared by both theists and atheists alike. Religion provides several useful benefits for society, you're just looking at the negatives.
Quote from: YPR on August 28, 2009, 08:58:16 AM
Intolerance is something much worse than religion, and the bigotry caused by it is something shared by both theists and atheists alike. Religion provides several useful benefits for society, you're just looking at the negatives.
Religion advocated intolerance and bigotry. It's full of these "negatives."
Tell me one good thing religion has done for society.
Quote from: Bassir on August 28, 2009, 09:00:23 AM
Religion advocated intolerance and bigotry. It's full of these "negatives."
Tell me one good thing religion has done for society.
Yeah, remember when Jesus taught us to hate blacks and gays? Oh, wait...
Quote from: Zach on August 28, 2009, 09:05:23 AM
Yeah, remember when Jesus taught us to hate blacks and gays? Oh, wait...
If only Christians actually followed the teachings of Jesus.
Quote from: Bassir on August 28, 2009, 09:14:40 AM
If only Christians actually followed the teachings of Jesus.
I agree.
Okay, I had to search Youtube for this video from a while back since you silly christians love going LOL CLOSED MINDED EXCEPTME BEING CLOSEDDDDDDD TO FACTS
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI[/youtube]
watch it before going LOL CLOSDEDMINDED
Quote from: Bassir on August 28, 2009, 09:00:23 AM
Religion advocated intolerance and bigotry. It's full of these "negatives."
Tell me one good thing religion has done for society.
I recall something along the lines of love thy neighbor, but maybe it was suppress everyone that thinks differently than you, I always get those confused.
Listing good things religion has done for society is kind of pointless since there are examples of this in everyday life... Just about anywhere there is a community service organization at work you can bet there is a religious group involved.
Quote from: JMV on August 28, 2009, 09:18:35 AM
Okay, I had to search Youtube for this video from a while back since you silly christians love going LOL CLOSED MINDED EXCEPTME BEING CLOSEDDDDDDD TO FACTS
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI[/youtube]
watch it before going LOL CLOSDEDMINDED
Ah, that's exactly what I was thinking of when Veal accused me of being closed minded.
Jesus was kind and he spoke of unconditional love but most christians (all but one that I have met) don't live there lives akin to Jesus
to pull this quote out once more:
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"
Quote from: Skylark on August 28, 2009, 02:54:07 PM
Jesus was kind and he spoke of unconditional love but most christians (all but one that I have met) don't live there lives akin to Jesus
to pull this quote out once more:
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"
-Mahatma Gandhi
Quote from: Zach on August 28, 2009, 03:30:52 PM
Yeah, I was aware. :3
I'm not sure why he did that. I think most people know who said that (including myself)
Quote from: Skylark on August 28, 2009, 02:54:07 PM
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"
This is basically how I feel for the most part.
Quote from: Skylark on August 28, 2009, 03:34:51 PM
I'm not sure why he did that. I think most people know who said that (including myself)
-skylark
I like these threads because members and their true colors show.