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[YPrrrr]

Why is it that there can never be a debate without childish insults...

lemme guess veal

where you raised as a christian? as a kid

were you taught when you were a kid that that is what was right

I really don't think that matters considering the amount of athiests that grew up in such a family... Most did

[Daddy]

Why is it that there can never be a debate without childish insults..

I insulted no one.

I really don't think that matters considering the amount of athiests that grew up in such a family... Most did

it's more of an argument that had he been born into a muslim or hindu family he might have a different opinion

[sans culottes]

People need to come to grips with the fact that most people do believe in god. I have no problem with it. In fact, I find that most so-called "christfags" have good moral values and dont necessarily display the overly socially conservative traits that they're sterotyped with. I think it's nice that they have something like that which gets them through life and makes them feel better about their problems. Good for them.

This is what I think. I regret making this thread. I was a little irritated about their blind faith and lack of individualism, so I made this thread.

Yeah, really, guys. Blind faith can bother all of us from time to time, but most of the world is still religious, and most of the faithful are good people. No minority became accepted as an equal by criticizing the white man, you know. It's good to stop the unwanted aspects of religion, but hating religion as a whole goes too far.

...I really regret making this thread. 

[YPrrrr]

I insulted no one.

Never said you did

[Daddy]

No minority became accepted as an equal by criticizing the white man, you know.

They became accepted as equal by criticizing bigotry and the roots of it.

That's exactly what "we're" doing.

It's good to stop the unwanted aspects of religion, but hating religion as a whole goes too far.

I don't think anyone here has attacked religious humanitarianism. All I've seen is attacking its indoctrination, psychological abuse, attempts to force itself into schools and government, and atrocities.

[j o e i n c]

I really don't think that matters considering the amount of athiests that grew up in such a family... Most did

sure.

i was just wondering, just a question. I'd say most religious folk were raised that way. They were taught that was what was right when they were a kid and so they believe that is what's right

as for me my parents never taught me anything about religion. i did go to a christian daycare. i believed in god and the bible when i was young. i grew out of it

[Veal]

Religion encourages closed-mindedness, racism, elitism, ignorance, intolerance, bigotry, condescendence, and idiocy. There's no good in that. No good at all.

Okay first off I'd like to say you come off as extremely close-minded, elitist, ignorant, intolerant, and condescending. I'd like you to read over what you write but from the perspective of someone who isn't an asshole and you'll see what I mean. You talk about atheism as though it is the greatest thing in the world, and about religion as though it is the worst thing in the world, and you don't even have the decency to know what you're talking about or what Christians actually believe. You are intolerant and close-minded towards religion, elitist and condescending to anyone who doesn't believe what you do, and ignorant to anything beyond common stereotypes. I don't normally resort to insults but I really want you to see the hypocrisy that consumes everything you say. Plus you called me an idiot several times. Reaaally, Bassir?

What rational reason do you have to believing in it? You say you have a reason but you never elaborate.

That's right! Because that's not what this argument it's about, and what you're talking about has been argued a million times before and I've already stated my reasons and beliefs here before. Why do I believe what I believe? That could easily fill a book case. What we're talking about right now is why people want to "force their beliefs on others" and how Christians are viewed as a whole.

Religion is detrimental to society, it's primitive thinking, it's irrational, it's not based on any valid evidence, and it's all just bullshit. The fact that you say you have a reason in believing any of it makes you look like an idiot. You just have to be an idiot to follow any of that dogma, and apparently you are.

Oh yeah I forgot that believing something different than you makes me look like an idiot.

Do you have any friends?

Are you saying religion is great because it provides a moral code of values?

Nope, I never said that. I don't know why you thought I said that.

As for forcing beliefs, Christians and the church are perhaps the most belief flaunting faggots in the country. Atheists don't talk about it as much as christians do. Religious people can't go two sentences without mentioning God or Jesus, or Yahweh or Allahââ,¬â€�it's not only annoying, it's stupid. You're stupid. Religion isn't good for society, that's the problem. It's actually detrimental to society, by indoctrinating our youth to reject science and rationality for magic and Hogwarts. Our youth comes out retarded like youââ,¬â€�thinking Christians have the best in mind for society... Christians want Jesus to come back and want the world to end. Jews want to rule the world, and Muslims want Jesus to announce he's Muslim and end the war in an apocalyptic battle against the anti-christ. That's the prime agenda on all these religious folks' mindsââ,¬â€�they couldn't care less about how well society could function.

Oh my God. I'm trying to think up a rational argument but that would be like arguing with someone who believes 2+2=7. You quite simply don't know what you're talking about. I don't know how to make it more clear. "Christians want Jesus to come back and want the world to end. Jews want to rule the world, and Muslims want Jesus to announce he's Muslim and end the war in an apocalyptic battle against the anti-christ.". Seriously? Come on. Are you sober right now? Where do you even get your information? It sounds like you were raised in some kind of anti-religious cult. I am literally astounded by how little you know about what any given religion believes. Oh and you also called me stupid and a so maybe you're just in middle school? I don't get it.

[j o e i n c]

well that was a long insult

[Travis]

god doesn't exist, thread over 

[rdl]

it's more of an argument that had he been born into a muslim or hindu family he might have a different opinion

hey

i've questioned my beliefs a bunch of times and pretty much every time i do i find an answer. if there weren't answers or it didn't make sense to me then i would've given up religion long ago. a godless life is much easier than a god-following life

anyway just leave veal alone if you're picking on him or some other christian. let him do his thing. this is why people get angry at atheists all the time. they need to learn to mind their own business.

[Veal]

They come up with morals and values based on what benefits society.

Just like Christians. Our morals and values are grounded in the Bible because the morals and values in there benefit society. And that's what we believe. We don't believe that simply because they're in the Bible. We look at history and friends and our own pasts and everything, and decide "Oh. That matches up. That makes sense." If it didn't I WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT. I am not an idiot, I am not a fool, I am not a sheep. I believe what I believe because it makes sense to believe it. Because I've done research. Because I've seen the effects of not following those morals in both history and the present. Because of my experiences. What I was originally saying, and what I am saying now, is NOT that Atheists shove their beliefs down everybody's throats, but that Christians do that no more than Atheists do. We want what we believe is best for society as much as you do. Am I going to go into all these reasons right now? No! Are you kidding me? I'm not going to argue about all of this, plus drugs, plus gay marriage, plus abstinence all in one thread! I've done plenty of that, we all have. The point is that we as Christians are not simply trying to limit happiness. We're trying to spread it. Sometimes limitations are necessary for that. Is a parent limiting their child by not letting them put their hand in a fire? Are they shoving their beliefs down that child's throat? Is that child going to hurt anyone else by putting their hand in that fire? No. No. And no. But to let the child do whatever they please would be dangerously irresponsible.

"Our values" aren't forcing you to violate your own values: they are just allowing people who don't share your values to live a life with their own values.

Cool. Except one of my values is trying to fight against the degradation of society.

Do you guys also believe we should legalize cocaine and meth and any other substance that is used for pleasure? Should somebody who doesn't know better always be allowed to do whatever they please to themselves? How is that caring for anyone? How is that benefiting society?

i've questioned my beliefs a bunch of times and pretty much every time i do i find an answer. if there weren't answers or it didn't make sense to me then i would've given up religion long ago. a godless life is much easier than a god-following life

Damn straight.

[j o e i n c]

legalize it baby

[Daddy]

Just like Christians. Our morals and values are grounded in the Bible because the morals and values in there benefit society.

The first two commandments are about worshipping God.  That offers no benefit to society.  Later it mentions killing non believers, gays, and many other groups. I fail to see that benefit to society.  Wearing clothes made with different fabrics? Circumcision? Shell fish? Those are also laws in that book.

And that's what we believe. We don't believe that simply because they're in the Bible.

Again with the generalizations. It's foolish to pretend there isn't a large number of christians who take what their preachers say the Bible says as irrefutable fact.

We look at history and friends and our own pasts and everything, and decide "Oh. That matches up. That makes sense." If it didn't I WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT. I am not an idiot, I am not a fool, I am not a sheep. I believe what I believe because it makes sense to believe it. Because I've done research.

The research that says the earth is only 6000 years old? That evolution somehow doesn't happen even though it's been observed?  What research have you done?

Because I've seen the effects of not following those morals in both history and the present.

What are the effects other than the pope sending in the Knights Templar to kill you?

Because of my experiences. What I was originally saying, and what I am saying now, is NOT that Atheists shove their beliefs down everybody's throats, but that Christians do that no more than Atheists do.

I haven't seen any atheists trying to get laws pushed forcing schools to teach that there is no god.  Teaching evolution says nothing about the existence of a god, so dont' try to pull that.

We want what we believe is best for society as much as you do. Am I going to go into all these reasons right now? No! Are you kidding me? I'm not going to argue about all of this, plus drugs, plus gay marriage, plus abstinence all in one thread!

No, give me a reason why gay marriage is bad for society that isn't based on the Bible stating it's bad.

I've done plenty of that, we all have. The point is that we as Christians are not simply trying to limit happiness. We're trying to spread it

The homosexual population is overwhelmed with euphoria with the revelation that they cannot marry the person they love.

Sometimes limitations are necessary for that. Is a parent limiting their child by not letting them put their hand in a fire? Are they shoving their beliefs down that child's throat? Is that child going to hurt anyone else by putting their hand in that fire? No. No. And no. But to let the child do whatever they please would be dangerously irresponsible.

What does that have to do with Gay Marriage?

Cool. Except one of my values is trying to fight against the degradation of society.

Which one is that?

Do you guys also believe we should legalize cocaine and meth and any other substance that is used for pleasure? Should somebody who doesn't know better always be allowed to do whatever they please to themselves? How is that caring for anyone? How is that benefiting society?

They should be heavily restricted and fined. Jail time for such is disgusting. How is sending an addict to jail caring for them? You're not helping them. Helping them is allowing them to get treatment without them being afraid of going to jail for longer than a murderer.

or were you assuming that because some atheists support complete de-regulation of drugs that all do lol

Damn straight.

Yeah, I mean it's so hard having an all powerful deity to fall back on and give blame/credit to for everything than taking personal responsibility or looking for the real reason.

that is such a hard life. I mean so many atheists got out of jail time for saying "NOTHING MADE ME DO IT. NOTHING MADE ME REFUSE TREATMENT FOR MY CHILD".

[rdl]

jmv, do you seriously not know the benefits of circumcision?

[Travis]

jmv, do you seriously not know the benefits of circumcision?

there's not really any benefit