I remember back in 6th grade, we were doing little debates. I was the only person in the grade to sign that I was 100% for abortion and people were shocked. It pissed me off because they didn't even have a clue. The subject altogether really pisses me off, for a few reasons-
Honestly, are you telling me that we should force girls to have children? What about birth rights? If someone doesn't want to go through with child birth, don't make them. There are young girls getting pregnant all the time, and sure there is adoption, but they should have the right to say no.
And abortion can do good, stem cell research is a great thing. In fact I had a brother who died at 10 months old long before I was born. Now his death isn't to be blamed on anything like that but he had a hole in one of his arteries or something which stem cells could have cured.
Thoughts?
I say they donate the unlived kids to science.
I'm for abortion, and by "when you were in 6th", you mean now?
Quote from: mariofreak55 on May 01, 2007, 07:29:51 PM
I say they donate the unlived kids to science.
I'm for abortion, and by "when you were in 6th", you mean now?
No, I am not in 6th grade.
I support it.
If the child is far from birth (i.e., not alive), and if the mother doesn't want it, there is no loss. If it had been born, it would likely end up being abused or spending its days in an orphanage. I'd much rather the child be reaped before it can even develop thought and true life.
Also, I'm all for the "it's better to take one's life to save millions" deal. If one child that's bound to have a horrible life and possibly grow up to be a criminal can be used to find a cure for a disease that could wipe out humanity, I see nothing wrong with it. A small sacrifice could extend the life of our entire species.
HEY, LET'S GIVE MORE RIGHTS TO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE COGNITIVE THOUGHT YET THAN A WOMAN WHO WAS RAPED, GUYS! flower;
Abortion is a-okay.
Nope. Fuck no. I hate all that you stand for. Well, at least this.
Abortion is murder, plain and simple. No, the child hasn't been released into society yet, but it is GOING to be, if it isn't aborted. It is a living, breathing, thinking, creature.
The only difference is that is itn't out of the womb. Would you kill a baby that was recently born? No. And it knows just as little as a baby in the womb does.
If a girl decides to fuck her boyfriend, and trhey are stupid and don't use protection, make them have the baby, to at least teach them a lesson. If a woman is raped, I sympathize for her, but there is a thing called adoption.
We are here to reproduce, to have children, and abortion is the act of bending over and shitting on our very existance.
Quote from: Selkie224 on May 02, 2007, 04:06:21 PM
It is a living, breathing, thinking, creature.
It's not breathing or thinking, and not truly alive yet. Pretty much just an extension to the female's body. But who gives a damn about a woman's rights; we need more criminals and orphans. Adoption isn't much of a solution. I highly doubt you'd be a gleeful child if your mother wanted to cut your throat, and put you in a home, making you wait days and weeks until someone decided to pick you out.
Also, it's better to take out a few of the unwanted than to face overpopulation. I'd rather use a few fetuses to cure today's illnesses than to face horrible disease and starvation in the future. Y'know, because it's better to kill a few than to lose half of the entire population.
Quote from: Lawlz on May 02, 2007, 04:21:24 PM
Quote from: Selkie224 on May 02, 2007, 04:06:21 PM
It is a living, breathing, thinking, creature.
It's not breathing or thinking, and not truly alive yet. Pretty much just an extension to the female's body. But who gives a damn about a woman's rights; we need more criminals and orphans. Adoption isn't much of a solution. I highly doubt you'd be a gleeful child if your mother wanted to cut your throat, and put you in a home, making you wait days and weeks until someone decided to pick you out.
Also, it's better to take out a few of the unwanted than to face overpopulation. I'd rather use a few fetuses to cure today's illnesses than to face horrible disease and starvation in the future. Y'know, because it's better to kill a few than to lose half of the entire population.
Like I said, it is GOING to be alive. What about the rights of the fetus, for it is a person too right?
And who the hell is to say that it is GOING to be a miserable homicidal criminal. There is a thing called making the best out of what you have. The child could grow up to be an extremely wealthy businessman for all we know. A sub-par life is much better than no chance at living at all.
We are robbing of it's opportunity to have a beautiful life. We are murdering a living thing, it is unethical and wrong.
Period.
Sorry.
I'm torn between Republican and Democrat.
I'm all for Gay and Civil rights....but I just can't see the abortion passing. Poor babies. gonk;
I'm 50-50.
People have accidents, but people should also learn from them.
I really don't know what else to say, anything I would have thought of has been said already.
Quote from: Selkie224 on May 02, 2007, 04:25:45 PM
Like I said, it is GOING to be alive. What about the rights of the fetus, for it is a person too right?
And who the hell is to say that it is GOING to be a miserable homicidal criminal. There is a thing called making the best out of what you have. The child could grow up to be an extremely wealthy businessman for all we know. A sub-par life is much better than no chance at living at all.
We are robbing of it's opportunity to have a beautiful life. We are murdering a living thing, it is unethical and wrong.
Period.
Stop eating. You're killing other living organisms.
Stop breathing. You're killing microscopic fungi. Fungi that could evolve into the future dominant species of earth.
Mayas well use some extracted cells to extend the life of our species and prevent the fungi from taking over.
Quote from: Lawlz on May 02, 2007, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: Selkie224 on May 02, 2007, 04:25:45 PM
Like I said, it is GOING to be alive. What about the rights of the fetus, for it is a person too right?
And who the hell is to say that it is GOING to be a miserable homicidal criminal. There is a thing called making the best out of what you have. The child could grow up to be an extremely wealthy businessman for all we know. A sub-par life is much better than no chance at living at all.
We are robbing of it's opportunity to have a beautiful life. We are murdering a living thing, it is unethical and wrong.
Period.
Stop eating. You're killing other living organisms.
Stop breathing. You're killing microscopic fungi. Fungi that could evolve into the future dominant species of earth.
Mayas well use some extracted cells to extend the life of our species and prevent the fungi from taking over.
I'm not in the mood to argue. You will never change my point of view, and I seem to not be changing yours. Truce.
Quote from: Selkie224 on May 02, 2007, 04:55:49 PM
Truce.
Never. Not until I know I can live without ever having to die of cancer.
Quote from: Lawlz on May 02, 2007, 04:56:48 PM
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Truce.
Never. Not until I know I can live without ever having to die of cancer.
And what does this have to do with abortion...
Quote from: Selkie224 on May 02, 2007, 05:05:27 PM
And what does this have to do with abortion...
Fetuses=stem cells=cure to many things. Get a dangerous tumor, lose an appendage or organ, grow it back.
It's entirely related.
Well, considering I'm sort of in the middle of things at times, it can be hard to say..
In the case of abortion.. I only believe a woman should have the choice to abort her child in the case of rape. OTHERWISE, I find abortion one of the sickest and most wrong things that can be done. I don't approve of a life to be thrown away without a chance.
Sure, a mistake can be made when you have sex. Young women can make that mistake if they have it without being forced by a boyfriend or something. But those girls that make those mistakes must realize that they have brought on the miracle of life, and to take it away from something that hasn't even begun to live yet is wrong.
Like I said, I'll only accept it in the case of true rape. Abortion is murder. Abortion is the death of a human life, and to do that in its infancy is probably one of the most immoral and wrong things that can be done.
Sorry if I lost any friends with this, but I just don't believe it's right. I'm not all that religious, I approve of gay marriage and I've sinned myself.. But to take away a HUMAN LIFE before it's ready to finally bloom is plain wrong.
I can't say yes to it in any way.
There's a difference between rape and true rape? I'm pretty sure that there is no such thing as true rape. It's just rape. objection;
You said yourself it has yet to live so how can it be a human life if it has not yet lived? It doesn't have cognitive thought, it has no idea what the hell it is, and to put the rights on something that cannot even think yet over the rights of a living woman is just plain ridiculous. Let the ones with vaginas decide what to do wtih their vagina.
Quote from: Andrew1911 on May 03, 2007, 08:36:14 PM
There's a difference between rape and true rape? I'm pretty sure that there is no such thing as true rape. It's just rape. objection;
You said yourself it has yet to live so how can it be a human life if it has not yet lived? It doesn't have cognitive thought, it has no idea what the hell it is, and to put the rights on something that cannot even think yet over the rights of a living woman is just plain ridiculous. Let the ones with vaginas decide what to do wtih their vagina.
Well, not much I can argue with right there. hur;
You can look at it in many different ways, I suppose. I just don't find it very moral to go kill something before it's even had a chance to see its own mother's face.
Honestly, would YOU like to be a goddam aborted baby?I think not.
AND GUESS WHAT? If your mother aborted you, you'd have no say in the matter. Abortion is nothing more than a mother killing her own child, and of course, the child has no say. You support that? You support mothers that kill their own children? I sure as hell don't.
By supporting abortion, you support death. You support the loss of a life, and yes it's a living being. I don't give a shit if it doesn't have a developed brain: IT COULD HAVE HAD A LIFE. If the mother had sexual intercourse and got pregnant, then it is HER responsibility as a mother to take care of that child. If that mother doesn't uphold her motherly duties, then it should be declared a crime. THAT is why I don't support it.
Adoption over abortion. If you made the mistake of unprotected sexual intercourse and you can't stand a child, you're just a goddam FOOL.
Like I said, would you like to be an aborted baby? If you say any bull like "Well I wouldn't have been born yet" or "I wouldn't have had a mind so it wouldn't matter", I'm not even going to listen. If you want to give up the gift of life so easily, you don't deserve to be here.
Why the hell do we give the death penalty to murderers? It's because they've ended a human life. Why the hell do we allow abortion? Well, so mothers can go kill their babies of course! That's just fine and dandy!
Quote from: Andrew1911 on May 03, 2007, 08:36:14 PM
There's a difference between rape and true rape? I'm pretty sure that there is no such thing as true rape. It's just rape. objection;
You said yourself it has yet to live so how can it be a human life if it has not yet lived? It doesn't have cognitive thought, it has no idea what the hell it is, and to put the rights on something that cannot even think yet over the rights of a living woman is just plain ridiculous. Let the ones with vaginas decide what to do wtih their vagina.
And on the topic of vaginas, stop talking out of yours, Andrew.
If the girl was raped, fine. But if she was the one that decided to have sex, and the mistake was made, she has to deal with it. It isn't an option of what she wants to do with the baby, she made the mistake, and she has to live with it. Fuck her rights, she was the one that decided to have sex in the first place.
Like I said before, abortion is the act of bending over and shitting on our very existance.
Quote from: Andrew1911 on May 03, 2007, 08:36:14 PM
There's a difference between rape and true rape? I'm pretty sure that there is no such thing as true rape. It's just rape. objection;
You said yourself it has yet to live so how can it be a human life if it has not yet lived? It doesn't have cognitive thought, it has no idea what the hell it is, and to put the rights on something that cannot even think yet over the rights of a living woman is just plain ridiculous. Let the ones with vaginas decide what to do wtih their vagina.
Ok, ok. By true rape, I'm assuming he means unwilling rape.
In case you didn't know, Andrew, there are different types of rape. y;
If the women is unwillingly raped, beaten and such, abortion should be allowed.
Of course, in the case of willing statutory rape he believes that abortion should not be allowed. It was the person's own fault.
Basically, abortion should only be allowed if the person was unwilling.
I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. sweat;
I really don't care about abortion. There are positives and negatives.
I
do think stem cell research should be allowed. It could help us discover great things, even if it does involve fetuses.
And the negatives, those are obvious.
I think I'm more pro choice rather than pro life.
Ah.
Quote from: Ripster on May 04, 2007, 02:10:31 PM
Like I said before, abortion is the act of bending over and shitting on our very existance.
No, that'd be giving our own people shitty lives and not trying to find cures to things that hinder our expansion and lifespan.
Quote from: Ripster on May 04, 2007, 02:10:31 PM
Quote from: Andrew1911 on May 03, 2007, 08:36:14 PM
There's a difference between rape and true rape? I'm pretty sure that there is no such thing as true rape. It's just rape. objection;
You said yourself it has yet to live so how can it be a human life if it has not yet lived? It doesn't have cognitive thought, it has no idea what the hell it is, and to put the rights on something that cannot even think yet over the rights of a living woman is just plain ridiculous. Let the ones with vaginas decide what to do wtih their vagina.
And on the topic of vaginas, stop talking out of yours, Andrew.
If the girl was raped, fine. But if she was the one that decided to have sex, and the mistake was made, she has to deal with it. It isn't an option of what she wants to do with the baby, she made the mistake, and she has to live with it. Fuck her rights, she was the one that decided to have sex in the first place.
Like I said before, abortion is the act of bending over and shitting on our very existance.
That was perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever read. So, you'd want the child to grow up and live a terrible life, having a mother that would not support him at all? Your logic is flawless.
I am all for abortion. It is the women's body, so it is her choice to do what she wants with her unborn child. I know if I accidently impregnate a girl, I want a abortion, asap(if I am not ready to handle taking care of another life).
I say yes to abortion. v;
Quote from: Andrew1911 on May 06, 2007, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: Ripster on May 04, 2007, 02:10:31 PM
Quote from: Andrew1911 on May 03, 2007, 08:36:14 PM
There's a difference between rape and true rape? I'm pretty sure that there is no such thing as true rape. It's just rape. objection;
You said yourself it has yet to live so how can it be a human life if it has not yet lived? It doesn't have cognitive thought, it has no idea what the hell it is, and to put the rights on something that cannot even think yet over the rights of a living woman is just plain ridiculous. Let the ones with vaginas decide what to do wtih their vagina.
And on the topic of vaginas, stop talking out of yours, Andrew.
If the girl was raped, fine. But if she was the one that decided to have sex, and the mistake was made, she has to deal with it. It isn't an option of what she wants to do with the baby, she made the mistake, and she has to live with it. Fuck her rights, she was the one that decided to have sex in the first place.
Like I said before, abortion is the act of bending over and shitting on our very existance.
That was perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever read. So, you'd want the child to grow up and live a terrible life, having a mother that would not support him at all? Your logic is flawless.
Like I said, who the fuck is to assume that EVERY child who was born unwillingly is going to have a "terrible" life
Getting a chance at life is a shit load better than not living at all.
Everyone deserves life, everyone.
Abortion is a sick act, have you seen one take place? It's one of the sickest things I have ever seen.
Quote from: Ripster on May 06, 2007, 01:25:30 PM
Everyone deserves life, everyone.
Apparently, those paralyzed folks don't deserve a chance at life. They rely on stem cells to live, and banning abortion and choice would deny their right to life.
I care more about a living person than a glob of cells.
Quote from: Fireman.exe on May 06, 2007, 07:21:54 PM
Abortion is a sick act, have you seen one take place? It's one of the sickest things I have ever seen.
There are many worse things out there.
Quote from: Lawlz on May 07, 2007, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: Ripster on May 06, 2007, 01:25:30 PM
Everyone deserves life, everyone.
Apparently, those paralyzed folks don't deserve a chance at life. They rely on stem cells to live, and banning abortion and choice would deny their right to life.
I care more about a living person than a glob of cells.
Quote from: Fireman.exe on May 06, 2007, 07:21:54 PM
Abortion is a sick act, have you seen one take place? It's one of the sickest things I have ever seen.
There are many worse things out there.
Well in reality everyone is just a glob of cells...
And, murdering an innocent being is not justified by the fact that it could POSSIBLY help another.
Quote from: Ripster on May 07, 2007, 02:21:57 PM
Well in reality everyone is just a glob of cells...
And, murdering an innocent being is not justified by the fact that it could POSSIBLY help another.
But we have thought, and this other glob doesn't. Can't murder something that doesn't think.
Quote from: Lawlz on May 07, 2007, 02:35:53 PM
Quote from: Ripster on May 07, 2007, 02:21:57 PM
Well in reality everyone is just a glob of cells...
And, murdering an innocent being is not justified by the fact that it could POSSIBLY help another.
But we have thought, and this other glob doesn't. Can't murder something that doesn't think.
Yea, but it will eventually be a living, thinking being.
Otherwise, you could be commiting genocide every time you scratch yourself, and kill thousands of skin cells.
The difference between those cells and the cells of the fetus, is that the fetus will live.
Quote from: Ripster on May 07, 2007, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on May 07, 2007, 02:35:53 PM
Quote from: Ripster on May 07, 2007, 02:21:57 PM
Well in reality everyone is just a glob of cells...
And, murdering an innocent being is not justified by the fact that it could POSSIBLY help another.
But we have thought, and this other glob doesn't. Can't murder something that doesn't think.
Yea, but it will eventually be a living, thinking being.
Otherwise, you could be commiting genocide every time you scratch yourself, and kill thousands of skin cells.
The difference between those cells and the cells of the fetus, is that the fetus will live.
And those bacteria will eventually grow and evolve into some advanced civilization. You're denying their lives.
Don't deny someone's right to do whatever they want with their body (yes, the fetus is part of
them) and improve the life of another or humanity as a whole.
Quote from: NYY3085 on May 07, 2007, 04:25:40 PM
Abortion is a tricky topic to debate. edumacate;
Rape should be one of the only reasons for an abortion.
TAKE THE PILL, LADIES!1!!!!!1
And risk heart attack and stroke?
I agree with abortion. Especially aborting a child you know will be retarded or physically handicapped in the case that it would need life support or lifetime surgeries to even be able to survive. That does not include physical abnormalities like being dwarf, or only having one leg or one arm, ETC..
Raising a child to live for only 2-3 years, or to live a life of shame and pain does not make you a hero, don't be so selfish to think that.
I am 100% for abortion. As others said, it is the woman's body. She can do whatever the fuck she wants with it. If she is raped, have an abortion. If you accidentally get pregnant, and you are unable to take care of it, get an abortion. If a woman, especially in her teens, gets pregnant, she will have no life and no future if she gives birth.
Most of the time in cases of rape or surprise pregnancy, the father leaves. That totally destroys the girl's future. Let her have an abortion.
Quote from: Lawlz on May 02, 2007, 04:21:24 PM
Quote from: Selkie224 on May 02, 2007, 04:06:21 PM
It is a living, breathing, thinking, creature.
1. It's not breathing or thinking, and not truly alive yet. Pretty much just an extension to the female's body. 2. But who gives a Domn about a woman's rights; we need more criminals and orphans. 3. Adoption isn't much of a solution. 4. I highly doubt you'd be a gleeful child if your mother wanted to cut your throat, and put you in a home, making you wait days and weeks until someone decided to pick you out.
Also, it's better to take out a few of the unwanted than to face overpopulation. I'd rather use a few fetuses to cure today's illnesses than to face horrible disease and starvation in the future. Y'know, because it's better to kill a few than to lose half of the entire population.
1. If it can't think, then how is there video of abortions where the fetus tries to avoid the needle? Pretty sure a lump would just sit there...
2. What's wrong with orphans? psyduck; You're lumping them in with criminals, yet they haven't done anything wrong...
3. That doesn't even make sense, I know at least 4 kids who are adopted, and they're all perfectly content.
4. That's so F***ing ironic. You don't want your mother to slit your throat? Well, yeah, then I would definetely want some doctor to kill me before I'm even born. + Again, adoption.
Finally, kill off the undesirables? Yeah, that doesn't sound anything like the freaking Nazis. Why don't we just kill off people with mental problems, and people over age 60? We certainly don't want places like North Dakota getting anymore crowded than they already are... edumacate;
Quote from: Lawlz on May 02, 2007, 05:07:33 PM
Quote from: Selkie224 on May 02, 2007, 05:05:27 PM
And what does this have to do with abortion...
Fetuses=stem cells=cure to many things. Get a dangerous tumor, lose an appendage or organ, grow it back.
It's entirely related.
Well with your attitude, I'd worry more about a bullet through the head than cancer
Quote from: Arual on May 19, 2007, 08:44:42 PM
I am 100% for abortion. As others said, it is the woman's body. She can do whatever the Fock she wants with it. If she is raped, have an abortion. If you accidentally get pregnant, and you are unable to take care of it, get an abortion. If a woman, especially in her teens, gets pregnant, she will have no life and no future if she gives birth.
Most of the time in cases of rape or surprise pregnancy, the father leaves. That totally destroys the girl's future. Let her have an abortion.
Um... adoption? duh?
How would that ruin the girls life? psyduck;
I don't think embryos count as sentient beings, so I have no problem with abortion. Besides, most people who are opposed to abortion have never been in an experience that may have called for abortion.
I just don't know. You are killing the baby, but yet you yourself aren't ready for a child. If you got raped, I understand it isn't your fault. But if you did it on purpose, you are killing the child for almost the fun of it.
Abortion is a very difficult subject to debate. I'm against it, unless it's because of rape.
Rape is probably the only time a woman should be allowed to have an abortion. The baby SHOULD NOT be aborted in any other circumstances. If she was willingly having sex with a man, and there was a little..."mistake", then it's her, and the man's, fault, not anyone else's. Aborting the baby would be like your mom killing you. She'd get arrested for that, no? So why isn't abortion illegal? It's basically the same thing. If the parents of the child do not want it, there's always the orphanages.
Now, of course, there comes the whole stem-cell thing. Well, stem cells don't always have to come from a dead baby. There are other ways of aquiring them. In fact, scientists have recently found a way to get stem cells out of the skin cells of mice. Regular old skin cells. No death involved. If this works in humans, too, then abortions aren't necessary. Even if it DOESN't work in humans, they've still found other ways to get human stem cells without the death of a living thing. So now babies can be born and live peacefully, and hundreds of diseases canbe cured, without abortion.
That's really all I have to say.
Quote from: Fireman.exe on May 06, 2007, 07:21:54 PM
Abortion is a sick act, have you seen one take place? It's one of the sickest things I have ever seen.
Uh, how does it happen?
This thread is why I believe in post-natal abortion up until the age of 18.
Quote from: Phydeaux on June 21, 2007, 05:48:16 PM
This thread is why I believe in post-natal abortion up until the age of 18.
What's post-natal? psyduck;
Legal. No one gets to make laws that affect other people's lives so intimately. If someone wants an abortion, they have the right to have one.
Quote from: HUNTER TECTRON on June 21, 2007, 05:39:24 PM
Abortion is a very difficult subject to debate. I'm against it, unless it's because of rape.
Rape is probably the only time a woman should be allowed to have an abortion. The baby SHOULD NOT be aborted in any other circumstances. If she was willingly having sex with a man, and there was a little..."mistake", then it's her, and the man's, fault, not anyone else's. Aborting the baby would be like your mom killing you. She'd get arrested for that, no? So why isn't abortion illegal? It's basically the same thing. If the parents of the child do not want it, there's always the orphanages.
Because a fetus isn't a human being? psyduck;
Now, of course, there comes the whole stem-cell thing. Well, stem cells don't always have to come from a dead baby. There are other ways of aquiring them. In fact, scientists have recently found a way to get stem cells out of the skin cells of mice. Regular old skin cells. No death involved. If this works in humans, too, then abortions aren't necessary. Even if it DOESN't work in humans, they've still found other ways to get human stem cells without the death of a living thing. So now babies can be born and live peacefully, and hundreds of diseases canbe cured, without abortion.
Mice stem cells are different from human stem cells. Do you have research showing human stem cells coming from anything other than a fetus? Links from sites that don't have the words Jesus or Christ in nice, big letters would be fantastic.
That's really all I have to say.
Quote from: DecembeR on June 21, 2007, 05:35:29 PM
I just don't know. You are killing the baby, but yet you yourself aren't ready for a child. If you got raped, I understand it isn't your fault. But if you did it on purpose, you are killing the child for almost the fun of it.
Yes, people are having abortions all over the place because it's the most fun a human being can have!
"Hey, gang, let's go to the abortion clinic and get some abortions!"
"Hooray!" flower;
I am strictly against abortion, it is taking away life.
Quote from: Nintendude#1 on July 14, 2007, 08:45:01 PM
I am strictly against abortion, it is taking away life.
Yup, it's taking away a life that's not living, and it denies health to those that are already alive.
Quote from: Nintendude#1 on July 14, 2007, 08:45:01 PM
I am strictly against abortion, it is taking away life.
One more reason why you must be killed to save our gene pool.
How about overpopulation? If people are squeezing out babies left and right, then pretty soon we'll run out of space and resources.
Quote from: Houdini on July 15, 2007, 10:08:49 AM
How about overpopulation? If people are squeezing out babies left and right, then pretty soon we'll run out of space and resources.
That is God's will that we must slowly starve to death. We must obey it.
Quote from: Andrew1911 on July 15, 2007, 04:26:48 PM
That is God's will that we must slowly starve to death. We must obey it.
Is it also God's will that I must sit on my couch and eat Doritos all day? Please say yes.
Quote from: Houdini on July 16, 2007, 11:23:25 AM
Is it also God's will that I must sit on my couch and eat Doritos all day? Please say yes.
Yes.
Quote from: Andrew1911 on July 13, 2007, 08:07:58 PM
Mice stem cells are different from human stem cells. Do you have research showing human stem cells coming from anything other than a fetus? Links from sites that don't have the words Jesus or Christ in nice, big letters would be fantastic.
I just cut off a rat tail from some rat and sewed it onto my brother!
Quote from: Snorkel on July 13, 2007, 06:41:31 PM
Legal. No one gets to make laws that affect other people's lives so intimately. If someone wants an abortion, they have the right to have one.
??? Ok... so I'm driving a pike thru my childrens headz now... Teh government can't tell me what to do wit wats mine
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 19, 2007, 06:18:57 PM
??? Ok... so I'm driving a pike thru my childrens headz now... Teh government can't tell me what to do wit wats mine
It's just a glob of non-thinking cells.
Quote from: Lawlz on July 19, 2007, 06:21:04 PM
It's just a glob of non-thinking cells.
Once again... It must be able to think if it knows to try to avoid the needle they use for abortion...
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 19, 2007, 06:23:15 PM
Once again... It must be able to think if it knows to try to avoid the needle they use for abortion...
Then flowers can think because they tilt in the direction of sunlight? psyduck;
Responding to stimulus=/=thought.
Quote from: Lawlz on July 19, 2007, 06:25:48 PM
Then flowers can think because they tilt in the direction of sunlight? psyduck;
Responding to stimulus=/=thought.
Well then according to you babies should be able to be killed up to about age 1 considering most of their life can be considered instinct up until then... >.> and Infantcide is a crime, so it's very hypocritical...
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 19, 2007, 06:31:49 PM
Well then according to you babies should be able to be killed up to about age 1 considering most of their life can be considered instinct up until then... >.> and Infantcide is a crime, so it's very hypocritical...
But by that time, the brain is operational. At the time of abortion, as I said, it's just a molded glob of cells.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 19, 2007, 06:23:15 PM
Once again... It must be able to think if it knows to try to avoid the needle they use for abortion...
video was shown in fast motion to make it look like fetus was knowing
lol u belived shitty propangeda
tard
Quote from: Andrew1911 on July 19, 2007, 07:43:24 PM
video was shown in fast motion to make it look like fetus was knowing
lol u belived shitty propangeda
tard
You like the idea of killing babies
tard
Quote from: Lawlz on July 19, 2007, 06:44:00 PM
But by that time, the brain is operational. At the time of abortion, as I said, it's just a molded glob of cells.
Developing cells educate; It's growing, just like a baby will until adulthood.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 20, 2007, 04:42:41 PM
You like the idea of killing babies
tard
It's not alive as a human; just alive as tissue.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 20, 2007, 04:45:47 PM
Developing cells educate; It's growing, just like a baby will until adulthood.
You wash your hands? Guess what? You just killed bacteria that will eventually evolve into a more complex life form.
tard
Quote from: Lawlz on July 20, 2007, 05:03:34 PM
It's not alive as a human; just alive as tissue.You wash your hands? Guess what? You just killed bacteria that will eventually evolve into a more complex life form.
tard
Don't care about bacteria... I only care about humans... and kitties
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 20, 2007, 05:04:59 PM
Don't care about bacteria... I only care about humans... and kitties
Don't ejaculate unless it's into a vagina with no form of birth control. Otherwise you'll be wasting sperm which could develop into life.
Quote from: JMV290 on July 20, 2007, 06:35:32 PM
Don't ejaculate unless it's into a vagina with no form of birth control. Otherwise you'll be wasting sperm which could develop into life.
Even then, only one sperm goes on to develop and hundreds of thousands die.
Quote from: Lawlz on July 20, 2007, 06:40:44 PM
Even then, only one sperm goes on to develop and hundreds of thousands die.
sperms are people too :|
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 20, 2007, 04:42:41 PM
You like the idea of killing babies
tard
fetus = baby?
huh psyduck;
YPR, animals such as Cows and pigs are much more capable of thought than a fetus(as in cows and pigs can think while a fetus cannot). Do you not eat meat?
Quote from: JMV290 on July 20, 2007, 08:30:38 PM
YPR, animals such as Cows and pigs are much more capable of thought than a fetus(as in cows and pigs can think while a fetus cannot). Do you not eat meat?
Bah... the only way I can argue that is that people have souls, but you guys don't believe that either... Fuck. Also, how can you expect something to be able to think intelligently when you don't give it time to grow and learn?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 21, 2007, 06:26:34 PM
Bah... the only way I can argue that is that people have souls, but you guys don't believe that either... Fuck. Also, how can you expect something to be able to think intelligently when you don't give it time to grow and learn?
How can you believe something doesn't have a soul just because it's not of the same species?
Quote from: Lawlz on July 21, 2007, 06:29:05 PM
How can you believe something doesn't have a soul just because it's not of the same species?
How can you use that as part of your arguement when you don't believe it in the first place?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 21, 2007, 06:32:39 PM
How can you use that as part of your arguement when you don't believe it in the first place?
Answer the question.
From Church basically... anyways I already said that was a pretty shitty arguement... edumacate;
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 21, 2007, 06:40:58 PM
From Church basically... anyways I already said that was a pretty shitty arguement... edumacate;
Do you also happen to believe homosexuals are subhuman and women are slaves to men?
Quote from: Lawlz on July 21, 2007, 06:51:53 PM
Do you also happen to believe homosexuals are subhuman and women are slaves to men?
Oh... you're good.
Fucking athiests not having a belief system to pick apart argh;
[spoiler]no, that mantra is bollocks, I kinda pick and choose[/spoiler]
Then just look at the second part of that post, not the soul part... >.>
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 21, 2007, 06:56:57 PM
I kinda pick and choose
Then you're no Christian. You just go with whatever you feel comfortable with. If there's something you disagree with, then you can whip out the bible and use it as your reason. If there's something you'd be criticized for, then you can use the "I don't believe that part" excuse.
Quote from: Lawlz on July 21, 2007, 07:06:07 PM
Then you're no Christian. You just go with whatever you feel comfortable with. If there's something you disagree with, then you can whip out the bible and use it as your reason. If there's something you'd be criticized for, then you can use the "I don't believe that part" excuse.
No, I'm the perfect christian, terrible catholic maybe. As soon as something complicates what I personally believe I have my own littlle Reformation. You need to read up on Henry XIII.
If you want to debate this, then we can take it to religious discussion...
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 21, 2007, 07:10:59 PM
No, I'm the perfect christian, terrible catholic maybe.
No such thing as a perfect Christian.
Everyone is a hypocrite.
Quote from: Lawlz on July 21, 2007, 07:11:51 PM
No such thing as a perfect Christian.
Everyone is a hypocrite.
If you want to get philosophical hardly anything is perfect etc. etc.
Wait, what's your point again?
What's your definition of a soul?
... Did everyone supporting my side of the argument die or something? psyduck;
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 22, 2007, 12:39:58 PM
... Did everyone supporting my side of the argument die or something? psyduck;
People supported your side of the argument?
Quote from: Houdini on July 22, 2007, 12:40:37 PM
People supported your side of the argument?
Can you read?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 22, 2007, 12:39:58 PM
... Did everyone supporting my side of the argument die or something? psyduck;
I think they might have grown a brain stem.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on July 22, 2007, 12:39:58 PM
... Did everyone supporting my side of the argument die or something? psyduck;
Maybe they ran out of propaganda.
Yeah...I'm for abortion.
Everyone who is against it keeps prancing back and forth - first they say that the fetus IS a live human being, then they say that it has the CHANCE of life. Make up your minds.
It's pretty much a mass of cells that can't breathe, eat, or function of its own accord. Hardly a human.
And if they say that it has the chance of life, then why aren't we scrambling to preserve every single egg or sperm in the human body? Those have the chance of being humans, don't they? But it's ridiculous and impractical.
I personally don't believe in Abortion because i have always though of them as young human beings with the ability to change the world. Although yes those children maybe unwanted or stuck in an orphanage there whole life everyone makes a difference just being there. That difference could mean saving a life or death of an individual or even simple as a flower not getting stepped on. good or bad that difference is a difference. which also may not go noticed and may not ever go noticed. Thats just how i think of it.
I don't like how people care so much for unborn kids they don't want. Damnit, if they want one not now/later, then they should just make more later. I mean, its not like your going to save your life for an table-spoon of semen they didn't want. We are over populated as it is. Also, people choosing agents abortion via religious beliefs.
Its just spilled milk, clean it up if you don't want the mess damn it!
wow. If they didn't want kids they should have use a condom. Do you know how many infertile parents would love to have thier kid
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 08:33:52 PM
wow. If they didn't want kids they should have use a condom. Do you know how many infertile parents would love to have thier kid
hey have you ever heard of this thing called rape
it's pretty cool
BUT DON'T BE A FOOL, WRAP YOUR TOOL
well thier are obvious exceptions like rape and insest but normally i believe abortion is wrong
what the shit does incest have to do with this psyduck;
it ,along with rape, is a obvious reason to have a abortion
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 08:41:57 PM
it ,along with rape, is a obvious reason to have a abortion
But what if a man and his sister want a child? psyduck;
Well i think that is illegal because that causes birth defects alot. Is your avatar diff. every page?
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 08:46:50 PM
Well i think that is illegal because that causes birth defects alot. Is your avatar diff. every page?
Yeah....That undeveloped fetus isn't a birth defect, that is the result of the abortion.
And yes, his avatar refreshes.
Are you saying it does or doesnt cause birth defects? i am stupid and didn't under stand your post
Quote from: Lawlz on November 12, 2007, 08:42:46 PM
But what if a man and his sister want a child? psyduck;
then they're probably committing a felony, the severity of which depends on the state
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 08:46:50 PM
Well i think that is illegal because that causes birth defects alot.
uh that's not necessarily why it's illegal; incest between close blood relatives has been taboo and illegal for a very long time, likely before the negative effects were really discovered
given the widespread reluctance among both humans and many animals to procreate with blood relatives, some think the taboo is somewhat of a built-in psychological mechanism
but anyways
Quote from: Sorbet on November 12, 2007, 08:36:09 PM
hey have you ever heard of this thing called rape
yeah i hear it only accounts for 1 percent of abortions (http://www.citizenjoe.org/node/95) (and that's counting incest, too, though incest is often rape so okay)
even accounting for the fact that many rapes go unreported, i'd guess that it's still less than 10 percent
Quote from: Super Mario Galaxy on May 02, 2007, 04:06:21 PM
Nope. Fuck no. I hate all that you stand for. Well, at least this.
Abortion is murder, plain and simple. No, the child hasn't been released into society yet, but it is GOING to be, if it isn't aborted. It is a living, breathing, thinking, creature.
The only difference is that is itn't out of the womb. Would you kill a baby that was recently born? No. And it knows just as little as a baby in the womb does.
If a girl decides to fuck her boyfriend, and trhey are stupid and don't use protection, make them have the baby, to at least teach them a lesson. If a woman is raped, I sympathize for her, but there is a thing called adoption.
We are here to reproduce, to have children, and abortion is the act of bending over and shitting on our very existance.
I'm too lazy to really type a response to you, I'll do it tomorow.
Quote from: Actingman00 on November 22, 2007, 09:07:12 PM
I'm too lazy to really type a response to you, I'll do it tomorow.
Is it necessary to announce that? psyduck;
Oh... I didn't reply to this yet? I thought I did.
I'm all for abortion. I don't think unborn children should be considered as much a person as adults. I don't believe there is anything substantial about a fetus. It's destined to become a future citizen, that's all, it isn't already one. I think of aborting as similar to not even getting the egg fertilized in the first place, all it does is ruin the chance of one specific new child to be born. I've heard the hypothetical question before, "how would you respond if you were told that your mother was considering to get an abortion". I would think of it in the same manner as being told that my parents almost chose to never have sex.
Quote from: bluaki on November 22, 2007, 10:02:27 PM
Oh... I didn't reply to this yet? I thought I did.
I'm all for abortion. I don't think unborn children should be considered as much a person as adults. I don't believe there is anything substantial about a fetus. It's destined to become a future citizen, that's all, it isn't already one. I think of aborting as similar to not even getting the egg fertilized in the first place, all it does is ruin the chance of one specific new child to be born. I've heard the hypothetical question before, "how would you respond if you were told that your mother was considering to get an abortion". I would think of it in the same manner as being told that my parents almost chose to never have sex.
What does being a citizen have to do with anything? psyduck;
I don't remember posting here.
I saw a bunch of slides on how they abort at twenty-eight weeks. They pull the baby apart with tongs, and shove a vaccuum up the vagina to get the leftovers.
Quote from: KT on November 26, 2007, 05:46:51 PM
I don't remember posting here.
I saw a bunch of slides on how they abort at twenty-eight weeks. They pull the baby apart with tongs, and shove a vaccuum up the vagina to get the leftovers.
Your point?
Quote from: bluaki on November 26, 2007, 09:42:34 PM
Your point?
It's fucking terrible, that's the point.
The ONLY reason someone should be able to get an abortion is if they were raped.
If it was a dumbass teenager who didn't use protection, too bad.
If the condom broke, too bad.
If they decide they just don't want a baby after all, too fucking bad.
Quote from: Super Mario Galaxy on November 27, 2007, 12:24:30 PM
It's fucking terrible, that's the point.
why does that matter
many terrible things are done to other bundles of cells
Quote from: Super Mario Galaxy on November 27, 2007, 12:24:30 PM
It's fucking terrible, that's the point.
The ONLY reason someone should be able to get an abortion is if they were raped.
If it was a dumbass teenager who didn't use protection, too bad.
If the condom broke, too bad.
If they decide they just don't want a baby after all, too fucking bad.
Because it's better for a teenage mother to kill herself and injure/destroy/abandon her child or not get a full education and be forced to feed her child dry rice and moldy bread than to just not let it exist at all and finish her education and give her child a greater chance at life, along with herself.
READ: You hate babies
and women.
Quote from: Lawlz on November 27, 2007, 01:31:35 PM
Because it's better for a teenage mother to kill herself and injure/destroy/abandon her child or not get a full education and be forced to feed her child dry rice and moldy bread than to just not let it exist at all and finish her education and give her child a greater chance at life, along with herself.
READ: You hate babies and women.
What is given the chance to live should be followed through with. The girl will sort it all out in the long run.
Think of it as punishment for not being careful enough.
Quote from: Selkie on November 27, 2007, 02:15:56 PM
What is given the chance to live should be followed through with.
what psyduck;
Quote from: Selkie on November 27, 2007, 02:15:56 PM
The girl will sort it all out in the long run.
yeah like maybe ruining its life once it becomes a fully functional human being
Quote from: Selkie on November 27, 2007, 02:15:56 PM
Think of it as punishment for not being careful enough.
only if it turns out to be you
but uh what does her partner get after all it takes two to tango
Quote from: Lawlz on November 27, 2007, 01:31:35 PM
Because it's better for a teenage mother to kill herself and injure/destroy/abandon her child or not get a full education and be forced to feed her child dry rice and moldy bread than to just not let it exist at all and finish her education and give her child a greater chance at life, along with herself.
READ: You hate babies and women.
Yeah, I forgot about that 100% mortality rate of teenage pregnancies, and how aborting her child gives it a better chance at life.
Good point.
I am all for abortion. I believe that the only really justified case is if the mother was raped or will die because of its birth. Although other cases requesting an abortion such as a couple forgetting to use a condom or just not wanting a baby are wrong in my opinion, I feel as if it should still be allowed. I don't believe that a fetus is a human being yet, and should not be counted as one. Until it is born, it is part of the woman's body, just like tattoos and piercings are. So therefore, if you won't let a woman have an abortion (which is altering part of the woman's body) then you should not allow them to have body piercings or tattoos, either, which are other ways of altering the body. Even if the case in which the abortion shall be used for is morally wrong, it should still be allowed because every human has the right to alter his or her own body, which is essentially what an abortion is doing.
Quote from: elp_is_love on December 05, 2007, 05:54:23 PM
I am all for abortion. I believe that the only really justified case is if the mother was raped or will die because of its birth. Although other cases requesting an abortion such as a couple forgetting to use a condom or just not wanting a baby are wrong in my opinion, I feel as if it should still be allowed. I don't believe that a fetus is a human being yet, and should not be counted as one. Until it is born, it is part of the woman's body, just like tattoos and piercings are. So therefore, if you won't let a woman have an abortion (which is altering part of the woman's body) then you should not allow them to have body piercings or tattoos, either, which are other ways of altering the body. Even if the case in which the abortion shall be used for is morally wrong, it should still be allowed because every human has the right to alter his or her own body, which is essentially what an abortion is doing.
"every human has the right to alter his or her own body"
Yet suicide is illegal.
Quote from: Lawlz on December 05, 2007, 07:07:31 PM
False.
Yep.
Attempting suicide is illegal because it wastes resources.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on December 05, 2007, 06:37:45 PM
"every human has the right to alter his or her own body"
Yet suicide is illegal.
That is false.
Quote from: JMV290 on December 05, 2007, 07:30:18 PM
Yep.
Attempting suicide is illegal because it wastes resources.
This is true, same with what Lawlz said.
Quote from: JMV290 on December 05, 2007, 07:30:18 PM
Yep.
Attempting suicide is illegal because it wastes resources.
But the person is never prosecuted.
Just thrown in a mental institution for 3 days (requirement for Tennessee, at least), and they're free to go.
Quote from: elp_is_love on December 05, 2007, 07:35:05 PM
That is false.
This is true, same with what Lawlz said.
Hey, guess what, I got it the first two times.
Quote from: Lawlz on December 05, 2007, 07:36:00 PM
But the person is never prosecuted.
Just thrown in a mental institution for 3 days (requirement for Tennessee, at least), and they're free to go.
my sister told my mom that she cut her self( she did it for the lulz) and the police came to my house. caterpie;
She did it with a text message from my phone and the cops asked for me. I thought I was being busted for CP.
Quote from: JMV290 on December 05, 2007, 07:40:34 PM
my sister told my mom that she cut her self( she did it for the lulz) and the police came to my house. caterpie;
She did it with a text message from my phone and the cops asked for me. I thought I was being busted for CP.
But they never file charges or anything. With a minor, they just determine whether they should go to the mental institution for three days or if they're mentally stable. If the person is over 18, they're just dragged into the mental institution.
Quote from: Lawlz on December 05, 2007, 07:46:24 PM
But they never file charges or anything. With a minor, they just determine whether they should go to the mental institution for three days or if they're mentally stable. If the person is over 18, they're just dragged into the mental institution.
They brought her to the hospital and did these tests. They then sent us a 500 dollar bill. powerofone;
Quote from: JMV290 on December 05, 2007, 07:30:18 PM
Yep.
Attempting suicide is illegal because it wastes resources.
That and the fact that murdering somebody is against the law, and that's what you're doing with suicide is trying to murder yourself.
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 08, 2007, 12:22:21 PM
That and the fact that murdering somebody is against the law, and that's what you're doing with suicide is trying to murder yourself.
except that suicide is about as illegal as homosexual sex
it's left is some law books but no one's prosecuted for it
Quote from: Lawlz on December 08, 2007, 12:46:42 PM
except that suicide is about as illegal as homosexual sex
it's left is some law books but no one's prosecuted for it
No ones prosecuted for it because if they fail to kill themselves then they get called mental or crazy and get put away in a mental institution. And If they do kill themselves then they're dead and nothing can be done about it then.
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 08, 2007, 09:39:17 PM
No ones prosecuted for it because if they fail to kill themselves then they get called mental or crazy and get put away in a mental institution. And If they do kill themselves then they're dead and nothing can be done about it then.
And since there's no punishment, technically, it's not illegal. A crime must be defined and punishable. Taking them to a mental institution can prove to be more of a chance to "heal" than to punish.
my mother had an abortion before she was pregnant with me.
befuddlement
...and sometimes i wonder what it's like to have an older sibling.
im not sure how i stand on the subject, though.
Quote from: ProtectedMember32 on December 11, 2007, 09:04:39 AM
my mother had an abortion before she was pregnant with me.
befuddlement
...and sometimes i wonder what it's like to have an older sibling.
im not sure how i stand on the subject, though.
Mine had a miscarriage before I was born. Had that not happened I would not have been born.
Quote from: JMV290 on December 11, 2007, 09:31:39 AM
Mine had a miscarriage before I was born. Had that not happened I would not have been born.
Or you would've been born but you'd just be a few months or few years older.
Quote from: Lawlz on December 11, 2007, 10:51:04 AM
Or you would've been born but you'd just be a few months or few years older.
uh it's possible another child would have been born but i somehow doubt it would have had the same genetic makeup and expression of genes as jimmy psyduck;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 11, 2007, 01:06:25 PM
uh it's possible another child would have been born but i somehow doubt it would have had the same genetic makeup and expression of genes as jimmy psyduck;
how do you determine what child will be born with what mind
Quote from: Lawlz on December 11, 2007, 03:21:20 PM
how do you determine what child will be born with what mind
by their genetics and various environmental influences
that's not to say that it's possible at this point in time to predict what will happen with any given child's mind, but given the absolutely tremendous odds against it i'd say it's pretty safe to say that you're fucking retarded if you think that it's okay to say that any given child's mind will be this and have those qualities and can do that etc. etc.
minds are not pre-existing objects that are simply put into newborns and reserved ahead of time psyduck;
also in case you don't realize it because you seem to have a severe case of not getting it thus i want to cover all the bases oh god i ruined that sentence i think but anyways genes are passed from the father and the mother at random; it's extremely, extremely unlikely that what we know as jimmy would have inherited the same genes were he to be conceived at a later date and under different circumstances
Quote from: *Boo* on May 01, 2007, 07:22:16 PM
I remember back in 6th grade, we were doing little debates. I was the only person in the grade to sign that I was 100% for abortion and people were shocked. It pissed me off because they didn't even have a clue. The subject altogether really pisses me off, for a few reasons-
Honestly, are you telling me that we should force girls to have children? What about birth rights? If someone doesn't want to go through with child birth, don't make them. There are young girls getting pregnant all the time, and sure there is adoption, but they should have the right to say no.
And abortion can do good, stem cell research is a great thing. In fact I had a brother who died at 10 months old long before I was born. Now his death isn't to be blamed on anything like that but he had a hole in one of his arteries or something which stem cells could have cured.
Thoughts?
Sex exists solely for the purpose of creating babies. If they did not want a child they shouldn't have had sex. So the decision to have or not have a child really starts with the decision to have sex. It doesn't matter what we have made sex into, that's what sex is for. So if they weren't responsible enough to have a child or they just didn't want a child they shouldn't have been having sex. Obviously rape is a different issue.
And about the stem cells, according to this website http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics3.asp they don't use stem cells from embryos that are fertilized in a womans body. So abortion does nothing to benefit stem cell research.
A. What stages of early embryonic development are important for generating embryonic stem cells?
Embryonic stem cells, as their name suggests, are derived from embryos. Specifically, embryonic stem cells are derived from embryos that develop from eggs that have been fertilized in vitro?in an in vitro fertilization clinic?and then donated for research purposes with informed consent of the donors. They are not derived from eggs fertilized in a woman's body.
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 14, 2007, 02:16:49 PM
Sex exists solely for the purpose of creating babies. If they did not want a child they shouldn't have had sex. So the decision to have or not have a child really starts with the decision to have sex. It doesn't matter what we have made sex into, that's what sex is for. Obviously rape is a different issue.
And about the stem cells, according to this website http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics3.asp they don't use stem cells from embryos that are fertalized in a womans body. So abortion does nothing to benefit stem cell research.
A. What stages of early embryonic development are important for generating embryonic stem cells?
Embryonic stem cells, as their name suggests, are derived from embryos. Specifically, embryonic stem cells are derived from embryos that develop from eggs that have been fertilized in vitro?in an in vitro fertilization clinic?and then donated for research purposes with informed consent of the donors. They are not derived from eggs fertilized in a woman's body.
They are still embryos.
Quote from: Notorious J.M.V. on December 14, 2007, 02:23:00 PM
They are still embryos.
I didn't say that they weren't. I was saying that abortion does not benefit stem cell research.
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 14, 2007, 02:33:52 PM
I didn't say that they weren't. I was saying that abortion does not benefit stem cell research.
o ok
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 14, 2007, 02:16:49 PM
Sex exists solely for the purpose of creating babies.
eating is solely for the purpose of sustaining life; eating for pleasure is unnatural and thus we should all eat grass
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 14, 2007, 02:16:49 PM
Obviously rape is a different issue.
yes, the rapist will be the one stuck with the child, because:
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 14, 2007, 02:16:49 PM
If they did not want a child they shouldn't have had sex.
gimp;
@ Commodore Guff
Are you honestly that stupid?
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 14, 2007, 05:51:49 PM
@ Commodore Guff
Are you honestly that stupid?
Guff is so dumb that you obviously cannot even know where to begin to tell him how wrong he is and give points on why.
amirite???
Quote from: Andrew1911 on December 14, 2007, 11:10:16 PM
Guff is so dumb that you obviously cannot even know where to begin to tell him how wrong he is and give points on why.
amirite???
I think what I originally posted was pretty clear, and I wasn't sure if he just didn't get it or if he was just being a jerk. And until I found out I wasn't going to explain myself again. And I was going on the assumption that he was being a jerk.
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 14, 2007, 11:17:15 PM
I think what I originally posted was pretty clear, and I wasn't sure if he just didn't get it or if he was just being a jerk. And until I found out I wasn't going to explain myself again. And I was going on the assumption that he was being a jerk.
He posted a rebuttal and you don't have anything that you could possibly back up your argument against his, do you? When you mess with the Guff, you get the Guff.
Quote from: Andrew1911 on December 14, 2007, 11:28:10 PM
He posted a rebuttal and you don't have anything that you could possibly back up your argument against his, do you? When you mess with the Guff, you get the Guff.
Not really because all he did was twist around my words to say something that I obviously did not say. And that was part of the reason for my question to him. And I didn't see the need to back up my argument since what I originally said was clear and easy to understand.
Abortion is like putting a big steak on the floor near the dog, and when the dogs comes to eat it, you grab it away from him. >_> When you conceive a child, abortion is bad because you just took someone's chance to live. But my view on abortion is that the earth is populated and we need to give less birth to children but I still think abortion is bad. I guess if you are 2-3 weeks pregnant, you can have an abortion but if you are 6 months old, I don't think you should do it. I have a friend who was the third child. The first and second child were aborted and she was about to aborted but for some reason her mother decided not to do it. And if she was aborted, I would lose a best friend. <_<
Quote from: bleedingassassin on December 15, 2007, 07:04:22 AM
Abortion is like putting a big steak on the floor near the dog, and when the dogs comes to eat it, you grab it away from him. >_>
o_O
Quote from: bleedingassassin on December 15, 2007, 07:04:22 AM
When you conceive a child, abortion is bad because you just took someone's chance to live.
when you break up a relationship you just possibly took away the couple's chance to conceive and make a baby ;_;
Quote from: bleedingassassin on December 15, 2007, 07:04:22 AM
And if she was aborted, I would lose a best friend. <_<
and if a group of hunters went to the past and accidentally stepped on a butterfly then what we now know as earth would be under the rule of the galactic empire etc. etc. >_<
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on December 14, 2007, 05:51:49 PM
@ Commodore Guff
Are you honestly that stupid?
i don't understand the question
Mostly against.
Here's when it should be okay:
-When you've been raped
-When the child could endanger your life
-Maybe a couple more exceptions
When you have sex, use a condom or something. We're all fetuses that weren't aborted, how would you feel if you were the aborted one?
Women do have a choice, and they make it before they have sex.
Quote from: Co-Z on December 29, 2007, 07:28:25 AM
We're all fetuses that weren't aborted, how would you feel if you were the aborted one?
I likely wouldn't feel anything at all, given that I wouldn't exist and whatnot. psyduck;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 29, 2007, 11:03:28 AM
I likely wouldn't feel anything at all, given that I wouldn't exist and whatnot. psyduck;
Unless you're emo, you wouldn't want to never exist.
Quote from: Co-Z on December 29, 2007, 01:14:32 PM
Unless you're emo, you wouldn't want to never exist.
But if I didn't exist, I wouldn't care because I wouldn't be capable of caring because I wouldn't exist. psyduck;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 29, 2007, 03:36:07 PM
But if I didn't exist, I wouldn't care because I wouldn't be capable of caring because I wouldn't exist. psyduck;
Well of course a fetus doesn't think that.
But I'm speaking of you today. Would you be okay with never existing?
Quote from: Co-Z on December 30, 2007, 02:22:23 PM
Well of course a fetus doesn't think that.
But I'm speaking of you today. Would you be okay with never existing?
if you believe in souls then it's possible there's just some little bank with souls and minds that are just deposited into bodies
he could still be alive but born into a different family and with an entirely different way of processing thought and information
Quote from: Lawlz on December 30, 2007, 02:44:18 PM
if you believe in souls then it's possible there's just some little bank with souls and minds that are just deposited into bodies
he could still be alive but born into a different family and with an entirely different way of processing thought and information
and it's also possible to think that's not what happens
Quote from: Co-Z on December 30, 2007, 02:22:23 PM
Well of course a fetus doesn't think that.
But I'm speaking of you today. Would you be okay with never existing?
Okay.
If I didn't exist, then I wouldn't care. Because I wouldn't be able to. Because I wouldn't exist. psyduck;
Quote from: Co-Z on December 30, 2007, 02:22:23 PM
Well of course a fetus doesn't think that.
But I'm speaking of you today. Would you be okay with never existing?
If you think of abortion like this, aren't abstinence and protection also wrong?
How would you feel if your parents chose to not ever have sex or chose to use a condom? befuddlement
(Sorry if I'm bumping)
I still don't like abortion. Yeah, it's the same as when you jackoff or use a condom, I guess, but it's more of a developing baby, yknorite?
I've got two major reasons I don't want it illegal:
1) People will illegally do it anyways
2) Mainly this - that baby the parent wanted to abort will have a shitty life. It could be another orphan, or abused. It's common for parents to hate their little mistake.
I'm 100% against it.
If you can't or are not willing to raise a child,Then don't have sex.
It's as easy as that.Do not take an action if you're not fully ready to take responability for whatever it may create.
I'm 17,My mother couldn't raise me.The state took me away.
She could of easily had a abortion,But she didn't.I'm happy I was given a chance to live.
I also love kids,Every time you abort a baby who knows who you're killing.
Maybe a future president,Or the person who will cure cancer.
Quote from: Hardcore on May 12, 2008, 02:49:44 PM
Maybe a future president,Or the person who will cure cancer.
That argument is getting old.
while we're using tired arguments: or hitler.
If you could have a test done that would determine whether or not your unborn fetus is Hitler, would you do it? baddood;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on May 12, 2008, 03:51:00 PM
If you could have a test done that would determine whether or not your unborn fetus is Hitler, would you do it? baddood;
no baddood;
Haha whats wrong with a future hitler?
If you raise him with morals but still keeping the talents hitler had he would be a great ruler.
Hitler kept all his people working,Made sure no one was without.
He took his country out of a great depression.
And in the times of war he took a small country last destroyed from ww1 and
Almost took over all of europe. and at the same time fought the 3 greatest powers in the world at the time.
I wouldn't mind having a child at great a leader like that,Or king alexander the great.
Quote from: Hardcore on May 12, 2008, 04:02:59 PM
Haha whats wrong with a future hitler?
If you raise him with morals but still keeping the talents hitler had he would be a great ruler.
Hitler kept all his people working,Made sure no one was without.
He took his country out of a great depression.
And in the times of war he took a small country last destroyed from ww1 and
Almost took over all of europe. and at the same time fought the 3 greatest powers in the world at the time.
I wouldn't mind having a child at great a leader like that,Or king alexander the great.
he also killed 6 million people and launched a war that killed millions more.
Quote from: JMV on May 12, 2008, 04:04:13 PM
he also killed 6 million people and launched a war that killed millions more.
English killed more indians and stole land from a whole culture of people.
beat that.
Quote from: Hardcore on May 12, 2008, 04:02:59 PM
Haha whats wrong with a future hitler?
If you raise him with morals but still keeping the talents hitler had he would be a great ruler.
Hitler kept all his people working,Made sure no one was without.
He took his country out of a great depression.
And in the times of war he took a small country last destroyed from ww1 and
Almost took over all of europe. and at the same time fought the 3 greatest powers in the world at the time.
I wouldn't mind having a child at great a leader like that,Or king alexander the great.
also mussolini kept the trains running on time beat that
Quote from: Commodore Guff on May 12, 2008, 04:09:11 PM
also mussolini kept the trains running on time beat that
The Italians already beat him
Quote from: Hardcore on May 12, 2008, 04:05:29 PM
English killed more indians and stole land from a whole culture of people.
beat that.
You're right. We need to stop raising British children.
Quote from: Hardcore on May 12, 2008, 04:02:59 PM
Haha whats wrong with a future hitler?
If you raise him with morals but still keeping the talents hitler had he would be a great ruler.
Hitler kept all his people working,Made sure no one was without.
He took his country out of a great depression.
And in the times of war he took a small country last destroyed from ww1 and
Almost took over all of europe. and at the same time fought the 3 greatest powers in the world at the time.
I wouldn't mind having a child at great a leader like that,Or king alexander the great.
You're missing the point. The point here is that you made a stupid argument. You're assuming that a child's destiny is predetermined, which is complete bullshit. Ever heard of free will? All humans have it. Theoretically, you could turn your life around and become the next Einstein, or the next Hitler, or the next Bush, or the next anyone. You weren't determined at conception to be an internet-bound loser.
Quote from: Pancake Persona on December 05, 2007, 07:36:00 PM
But the person is never prosecuted.
Just thrown in a mental institution for 3 days (requirement for Tennessee, at least), and they're free to go.
oh yeah this is true btw
spam;
My view has drastically changed since the first post.
Yes, I am 100% for abortion.
everyone should be for abortion.
there are so many good reasons for it.
if a young girl has to have a child shes most likely going to neglect it and not beable to pay for it.
and reck her life by probably not attending school.
also her children will probably grow up and be fucked up aswell from having such a poor childhood.
a lot of people would just abandon their children and there would be way to many people, it's a form of population control.
also think about this.
what if a girl gets raped and she gets pregnant.
then what, do you want her to have that baby..
why should she have a child she didn't want and had no part in result.
why would you want her to have that child that is going to remind her of it every second of her life.
and she might not love that child for that reason.
and if she puts it up for adoption thats just another child that ends up being put through foster care ect...
anyone who thinks abortion is wrong is just fucked in the head.
I think Abortion is wrong. And I hate arguing about it because there's really no way to end an argument once it starts if it's related to abortion. Also I'm fucked in the head.
However I think it should be legal because there are definitely some reasons for why it should happen.
Also I think the young girl who was too big of a dipshit to take her pills argument is a load of shit. Mostly because people tend to often forget about adoption.
there is so many kids out there that need to get adopted though.
and there aren't enough people to adopt them.
so they end up in foster care and homeless ect..
If you're in a homeless shelter it's not like you dont receive any education. You have to work much harder to make it to the top and into college, if you literally have no support, but it's...doable.
America could use a reform when it comes to foster care. When was the last time anything was passed in Washington to improve conditions for the kids who are already off the streets and who have no family?
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 28, 2009, 10:41:41 PM
there is so many kids out there that need to get adopted though.
and there aren't enough people to adopt them.
so they end up in foster care and homeless ect..
So let's just shoot them in the head to put them out of their misery n_u
Quote from: YPR on January 29, 2009, 07:28:15 AM
So let's just shoot them in the head to put them out of their misery n_u
well that can be your job.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 28, 2009, 09:05:16 PM
everyone should be for abortion.
there are so many good reasons for it.
if a young girl has to have a child shes most likely going to neglect it and not beable to pay for it.
and reck her life by probably not attending school.
also her children will probably grow up and be fucked up aswell from having such a poor childhood.
a lot of people would just abandon their children and there would be way to many people, it's a form of population control.
also think about this.
what if a girl gets raped and she gets pregnant.
then what, do you want her to have that baby..
why should she have a child she didn't want and had no part in result.
why would you want her to have that child that is going to remind her of it every second of her life.
and she might not love that child for that reason.
and if she puts it up for adoption thats just another child that ends up being put through foster care ect...
anyone who thinks abortion is wrong is just fucked in the head.
But you're not considering the life of the baby at all in those examples.
Quote from: YPR on January 29, 2009, 11:05:56 AM
But you're not considering the life of the baby at all in those examples.
at that point it's a just a itty bitty fetus not a baby that could survive on its own akudood;
Quote from: guff on January 29, 2009, 11:28:37 AM
baby that could survive on its own akudood;
a what baddood;
yeah it's not like it can like do anything.
it's just a little nothing.
and i don't think it would wanna grow up and have a shitty life...
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 29, 2009, 01:12:39 PM
yeah it's not like it can like do anything.
it's just a little nothing.
and i don't think it would wanna grow up and have a shitty life...
I'd rather have a shot at life then have someone kill me by sucking out my brain
Quote from: YPR on January 29, 2009, 02:56:09 PM
I'd rather have a shot at life then have someone kill me by sucking out my brain
yeah but if you weren't self-aware then you probably wouldn't be able to care akudood;
Quote from: guff on January 29, 2009, 02:58:08 PM
yeah but if you weren't self-aware then you probably wouldn't be able to care akudood;
I don't think any dead people are able to care about their method of death akudood;
Quote from: YPR on January 29, 2009, 02:56:09 PM
I'd rather have a shot at life then have someone kill me by sucking out my brain
but you would barely even exsist.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 29, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
but you would barely even exsist.
Just because something's new doesn't make it unimportant
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 29, 2009, 01:12:39 PM
yeah it's not like it can like do anything.
it's just a little nothing.
and i don't think it would wanna grow up and have a shitty life...
I wish your mom had an abortion. psyduck;
Quote from: Strawberry Fields Forever on January 29, 2009, 04:32:07 PM
I wish your mom had an abortion. psyduck;
to bad i was the only kid planned.
Quote from: Strawberry Fields Forever on January 29, 2009, 04:32:07 PM
I wish your mom had an abortion. psyduck;
if she did boyah would be far less entertaining
SO NO akudood;
Quote from: guff on January 29, 2009, 05:12:45 PM
if she did boyah would be far less entertaining
SO NO akudood;
True. silly;
Quote from: guff on January 29, 2009, 02:58:08 PM
yeah but if you weren't self-aware then you probably wouldn't be able to care
But I love being able to care, don't you?
Quote from: Socks on January 29, 2009, 06:57:45 PM
But I love being able to care, don't you?
i'm indifferent akudood;
Quote from: guff on January 29, 2009, 07:01:33 PM
i'm indifferent akudood;
Your parents weren't. akudood;
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 29, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
fetus lover.
saying things like that makes it seem like you support abortion for every pregnant woman
well fetuses are disgusting things
i mean theyre all slimey and ugghhhh
Quote from: RDX on January 29, 2009, 07:41:04 PM
well fetuses are disgusting things
i mean theyre all slimey and ugghhhh
So is Nick Saban, but it's not legal to kill him
Quote from: YPR on January 30, 2009, 09:03:15 AM
So is Nick Saban, but it's not legal to kill him
yeah but he is fully developed.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 30, 2009, 09:16:56 AM
yeah but he is fully developed.
You could put forth the argument that people aren't fully developed until they finish puberty. akudood;
Quote from: YPR on January 30, 2009, 09:19:01 AM
You could put forth the argument that people aren't fully developed until they finish puberty. akudood;
i mean they can function and what not on their own.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 30, 2009, 09:21:29 AM
i mean they can function and what not on their own.
I don't think babies can really function on their own either... Younger ones have no method of propulsion and no ability to gather food or drink on their own. They are completely dependent, just as a fetus in the womb is.
Quote from: YPR on January 30, 2009, 09:24:35 AM
I don't think babies can really function on their own either... Younger ones have no method of propulsion and no ability to gather food or drink on their own. They are completely dependent, just as a fetus in the womb is.
THEY CAN SHIT BY THEMSELVES.
and their hearts work on their own.
and their organs ect..
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 30, 2009, 09:29:55 AM
THEY CAN SHIT BY THEMSELVES.
and their hearts work on their own.
and their organs ect..
Their organs need energy from food to function. Guess where they get their food from... mommy.
Quote from: YPR on January 30, 2009, 09:37:50 AM
Their organs need energy from food to function. Guess where they get their food from... mommy.
yeah and mommy get's it out of a jar from the grocery store.
their not connected to her anymore.
Lacey reminds me why we need Euthanasia.
But the point she's making is correct.
A fetus, at least in the first 2 trimesters, is incapable of autonomously functioning. An infant may require food and care from an adult, but its functions are not a dependent on being hooked up to another human/machine.
It is not alive.
A brain dead person hooked up to life support is in the same situation: no brain function, none of the organs can function without external help, nothing.
Taking a vegetable off life support is morally the same as aborting a fetus. It comes down to choice. It's not morally wrong to abort it. It's not morally wrong to keep it.
A living baby would be more comparable to a quadriplegic I guess, but that analogy isn't as good.
Fetus : Brain dead : No autonomous bodily functions or brain activity
Infant : Quadriplegic: Functioning brain and organs. Unable to take care of self.
If you're against abortion, then surely you'd have to be against pulling the plug, right? Otherwise you're a hypocrite.
Umm... a quadriplegic or a Terry S. has at least lived. Comparing a fetus, with infinite potential, to a grown adult with disabilities is absurd.
Quote from: Socks on January 30, 2009, 12:12:58 PM
Umm... a quadriplegic or a Terry S. has at least lived.
Wouldn't that make it even more absurd to end their life? They're actually alive and you're pulling the plug.
QuoteComparing a fetus, with infinite potential, to a grown adult with disabilities is absurd.
Functionally, they're the same.
Quote from: Socks on January 30, 2009, 12:12:58 PM
Umm... a quadriplegic or a Terry S. has at least lived. Comparing a fetus, with infinite potential, to a grown adult with disabilities is absurd.
yeah but if it has no higher brain functions it doesn't give a shit about its potential akudood;
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 30, 2009, 09:54:56 AM
yeah and mommy get's it out of a jar from the grocery store.
their not connected to her anymore.
Then what is breast feeding?
Quote from: Jacques Michel Valente on January 30, 2009, 12:10:18 PM
Taking a vegetable off life support is morally the same as aborting a fetus. It comes down to choice. It's not morally wrong to abort it. It's not morally wrong to keep it.
I don't remember anyone ever agreeing on that akudood;
Quote from: YPR on January 30, 2009, 12:40:15 PM
Then what is breast feeding?
dude not all people breast feed.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 30, 2009, 12:50:14 PM
dude not all people breast feed.
It's the natural method of feeding infants though. Even if they aren't breast fed, they are still reliant on their mother to feed them, often from a bottle, which simulates the nipple of the breast. So basically, yeah, baby's are still very attached to their mothers in their infancy.
Quote from: Jacques Michel Valente on January 30, 2009, 12:14:15 PM
Wouldn't that make it even more absurd to end their life?
I would never advocate ending the life of someone because they're a quadriplegic. If someone is brain dead and the medical community agrees they can't get better, let the family make that call. However to end the life of someone living off a ventilator (who isn't going to get better) is not absurd, nor morally reprehensible. Yet to end the life of a fetus before it really begins is cruel. I don't support a no abortion stance, just using it as birth control.
Quote from: Socks on January 30, 2009, 08:17:02 PM
just using it as birth control.
This is pretty much my stance.
Uhm, same here. Using it as 'LOL I DIDN'T WANT TO USE A CONDOM SO LET'S GET AN ABORTION' method is retarded. Using as "Oh shit, the condom broke, we can't afford the medical costs of a pregnancy nor those of having a kid" yes.
I don't think anyone here actually supports it as an alternative form of birth control.
Quote from: Raccoon on January 30, 2009, 09:02:24 PM
Using as "Oh shit, the condom broke, we can't afford the medical costs of a pregnancy nor those of having a kid" yes.
I can see the logic, but still I would not personally support such action, even in that situation. I don't know why, we can't help how we feel about certain things.
Quote from: Raccoon on January 30, 2009, 09:02:24 PM
Uhm, same here. Using it as 'LOL I DIDN'T WANT TO USE A CONDOM SO LET'S GET AN ABORTION' method is retarded. Using as "Oh shit, the condom broke, we can't afford the medical costs of a pregnancy nor those of having a kid" yes.
I don't think anyone here actually supports it as an alternative form of birth control.
There is always adoption. The child could have a good life. akudood;
Quote from: FAMY2 on January 31, 2009, 08:25:21 AM
There is always adoption. The child could have a good life. akudood;
Quote from: Raccoon on January 30, 2009, 09:02:24 PMthe medical costs of a pregnancy
Even with adoption the parents to keep up with regular doctors visits, time off from work, etc.
Quote from: FAMY2 on January 31, 2009, 08:25:21 AM
There is always adoption. The child could have a good life. akudood;
even then there's a lot more kids waiting to be adopted than there are parents wanting to adopt so they're likely to bounce around in the foster care system for a few years at least akudood;
Quote from: guff on January 31, 2009, 09:07:07 AM
even then there's a lot more kids waiting to be adopted than there are parents wanting to adopt so they're likely to bounce around in the foster care system for a few years at least akudood;
lol i just said that like twice.
and no one listens..
akudood;
Quote from: guff on January 31, 2009, 09:07:07 AM
even then there's a lot more kids waiting to be adopted than there are parents wanting to adopt so they're likely to bounce around in the foster care system for a few years at least akudood;
I'd rather be in foster care than killed akudood;
Quote from: YPR on January 31, 2009, 09:13:49 AM
I'd rather be in foster care than killed akudood;
okay how about we ask fetuses what they want then akudood;
oh right they have no high-level brain function baddood;
Quote from: guff on January 31, 2009, 09:19:25 AM
okay how about we ask fetuses what they want then akudood;
oh right they have no high-level brain function baddood;
I'm pretty sure less than 50% of kids in foster care have tried to kill themselves... So I'm pretty sure even if they did have this brain function they'd choose to live rather than killing themselves
Quote from: YPR on January 31, 2009, 09:29:18 AM
I'm pretty sure less than 50% of kids in foster care have tried to kill themselves... So I'm pretty sure even if they did have this brain function they'd choose to live rather than killing themselves
but like most of them end up doing drugs, stealing, ect..
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 09:30:31 AM
but like most of them end up doing drugs, stealing, ect..
... says the girl who does drugs
Quote from: YPR on January 31, 2009, 09:31:07 AM
... says the girl who does drugs
... says the drinker n_u
Quote from: guff on January 31, 2009, 09:32:39 AM
... says the drinker n_u
and I'm not advocating killing me or people who may grow into one, so that point is irrelevant akudood;
Quote from: YPR on January 31, 2009, 09:34:46 AM
and I'm not advocating killing me or people who may grow into one, so that point is irrelevant akudood;
fetuses am not people akudood;
Quote from: guff on January 31, 2009, 09:37:11 AM
fetuses am not people akudood;
that's debatable akudood;
Quote from: YPR on January 31, 2009, 09:38:35 AM
that's debatable akudood;
no it's not.
(http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/fetus2.jpg)
does this thing look like it can do anything?
NO.
its not a person.
it's a fetus.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 09:40:40 AM
no it's not.
does this thing look like it can do anything?
NO.
its not a person.
it's a fetus.
A human fetus akudood;
And let's see what homicide means, oh, that's right, the killing of a human being by another human being
Quote from: YPR on January 31, 2009, 09:43:45 AM
A human fetus akudood;
And let's see what homicide means, oh, that's right, the killing of a human being by another human being
it doesn't even have organs.
who cares.
Quote from: YPR on January 31, 2009, 09:46:22 AM
ok... so what akudood;
so your not really killing anything.
its a nothing.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 09:47:25 AM
so your not really killing anything.
its a nothing.
If it's nothing, why would one need to be rid of it
Quote from: YPR on January 31, 2009, 09:49:22 AM
If it's nothing, why would one need to be rid of it
so it doesnt grow into something they cant take care of.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 09:50:54 AM
so it doesnt grow into something they cant take care of.
nothings don't grow
and adoption.
Quote from: YPR on January 31, 2009, 09:52:45 AM
nothings don't grow
and adoption.
there arent enough people to adopt all these kids.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 09:47:25 AM
so your not really killing anything.
its a nothing.
Jesus Christ, you're heartless. psyduck;
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 09:44:33 AM
it doesn't even have organs.
who cares.
Why didn't your parents think the same way about you?
In fact, how many of us do you think were accidents? I'm betting about half. I'm betting more than half if we were to talk about the USA's entire population.
well cause my mother wanted me, i was planned.
and one of my brothers was planned.
and my littlest brother wasnt.
What's so bad about being accidents?
I wasn't planned, but at least I was wanted. hocuspocus;
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 10:39:12 AM
well cause my mother wanted me, i was planned.
you keep telling yourself that thumbup;
Quote from: Thyme on January 31, 2009, 10:39:44 AM
What's so bad about being accidents?
Nothing.
what im saying is the "fetuses arent human therefore we should kill them as we like" argument sucks, because had your parents thought the same way you might not exist.
Quote from: RDX on January 31, 2009, 11:30:03 AM
Nothing.
what im saying is the "fetuses arent human therefore we should kill them as we like" argument sucks, because had your parents thought the same way you might not exist.
and guess what I wouldn't of ever known so no harm no foul
Quote from: RDX on January 31, 2009, 11:30:03 AM
Nothing.
what im saying is the "fetuses arent human therefore we should kill them as we like" argument sucks, because had your parents thought the same way you might not exist.
And that'd be their choice.
rly?
well ok then baddood;
Quote from: Raccoon on January 31, 2009, 12:34:04 PM
And that'd be their choice.
Uhm, if she was planned and they killed her, that'd be cruel as fuck. bassir;
Quote from: Strawberry Fields Forever on January 31, 2009, 02:41:12 PM
Uhm, if she was planned and they killed her, that'd be cruel as fuck. bassir;
...but they wouldnt do that if they planned to have a child
Quote from: Eureka! on January 31, 2009, 02:42:22 PM
...but they wouldnt do that if they planned to have a child
Well according to James, it's 'their choice'. bassir;
Quote from: Strawberry Fields Forever on January 31, 2009, 02:42:57 PM
Well according to James, it's 'their choice'. bassir;
well i suppose they could get an abortion if they wanted, but if they planned to have a kid i dont see why they would
Quote from: Strawberry Fields Forever on January 31, 2009, 02:42:57 PM
Well according to James, it's 'their choice'. bassir;
uh what point are you even trying to make akudood;
Quote from: guff on January 31, 2009, 02:46:55 PM
uh what point are you even trying to make akudood;
who said i was making a point akudood;
Considering that I was a mistake, I wish my parents aborted me so I didn't have to suffer from my many health problems. bassir;
PETAF
People for the Ethical Treatment of Aborted Fetuses
guys come on the unborn babies have families and career opportunities ahead of them why would we kill them
Quote from: Strawberry Fields Forever on January 31, 2009, 02:41:12 PM
Uhm, if she was planned and they killed her, that'd be cruel as fuck. bassir;
what
i was replying to
QuoteNothing.
what im saying is the "fetuses arent human therefore we should kill them as we like" argument sucks, because had your parents thought the same way you might not exist.
saying it would be their choice, not saying "they have the choice to willingly plan a pregnancy to terminate it" who the hell does that
And oh yeah, the dad should have more say in this abortion choice. I sure as fuck would not want some bitch to kill off a part of me, even if it was a mistake.
males are sex maniacs, so therefore they shouldnt have any say because all it means is more sex, which would definitely be the better option for him because really all men want is sex. fuck children, food, a house, a wife, women, jobs, everything. it's all sex.
Quote from: RDX on January 31, 2009, 08:59:28 PM
males are sex maniacs, so therefore they shouldnt have any say because all it means is more sex, which would definitely be the better option for him because really all men want is sex. fuck children, food, a house, a wife, women, jobs, everything. it's all sex.
I hope this was sarcastic.
Quote from: Socks on January 31, 2009, 08:52:32 PM
And oh yeah, the dad should have more say in this abortion choice. I sure as fuck would not want some bitch to kill off a part of me, even if it was a mistake.
okay then to make it a little more fair how about we divvy up the fetus and put part of it in your uterus too akudood;
Quote from: guff on January 31, 2009, 09:08:02 PM
okay then to make it a little more fair how about we divvy up the fetus and put part of it in your uterus too akudood;
Excuse me, lets not forget child support and custody cases. Oh that uterus gets them a lot in return. I just want say when it comes to determining the fate of something I helped create. akudood;
Quote from: Socks on January 31, 2009, 09:17:32 PM
Excuse me, lets not forget child support and custody cases. Oh that uterus gets them a lot in return. I just want say when it comes to determining the fate of something I helped create. akudood;
aborted fetuses don't get child support and it's easy as hell to knock a girl up lemme tell ya akudood;
Quote from: guff on January 31, 2009, 09:28:24 PM
aborted fetuses don't get child support and it's easy as hell to knock a girl up lemme tell ya akudood;
Guys are fucked either way. I get no say when it comes to my wallet or child.
Quote from: Socks on January 31, 2009, 09:32:53 PM
Guys are fucked either way. I get no say when it comes to my wallet or child.
but you go have a say in using a gosh darn condom akudood;
still accidents happen so i would recommend either abstinence or opting for anal akudood;
Quote from: Socks on January 31, 2009, 08:52:32 PM
And oh yeah, the dad should have more say in this abortion choice. I sure as fuck would not want some bitch to kill off a part of me, even if it was a mistake.
DO YOU HAVE TO CARRY IT AROUND FOR 9 MONTHS?
NO.
DOES THE FUCKING THING COME OUT OF YOUR VAGINA?
NO.
so i don't really think you have much of a say.
Quote from: Socks on January 31, 2009, 09:02:36 PM
I hope this was sarcastic.
that's the way the lawmakers think :(
Quote from: guff on January 31, 2009, 09:38:40 PM
but you go have a say in using a gosh darn condom akudood;
Or closing one's legs. akudood;
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 09:44:55 PM
DO YOU HAVE TO CARRY IT AROUND FOR 9 MONTHS?
No, I just get raped for the rest of my life. Or worse, have to suffer the death of a potential child with nothing to say about it.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 09:44:55 PM
DOES THE FUCKING THING COME OUT OF YOUR VAGINA?
Evolution and chance gave me a penis and sperm, you got the vagina and eggs. Deal with it. It takes two to conceive, and I want my say. akudood;
well keep your penis out of her vagina.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 10:26:23 PM
well keep your penis out of her vagina.
Unfortunately I'm not above hormones, and females aren't either. So let's not enact laws to duplicate primitive (vicious) sexual behavior seen in some species.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 09:44:55 PM
DO YOU HAVE TO CARRY IT AROUND FOR 9 MONTHS?
NO.
DOES THE FUCKING THING COME OUT OF YOUR VAGINA?
NO.
so i don't really think you have much of a say.
lacey i don't think you understand just how hard it is for us males to have sex with women akudood;
Oh yeah Socks, you're such a victim. You don't have to deal with morning sickness, cramps, fatigue, you can eat, drink, and smoke whatever you want when you want, you don't have to deal with the pain of labor, etc.
I really sympathize for you.
You should have to pay, since you're the one who fucking ejaculated. akudood;
Quote from: Strawberry Fields Forever on February 01, 2009, 09:14:55 AM
Oh yeah Socks, you're such a victim. You don't have to deal with morning sickness, cramps, fatigue, you can eat, drink, and smoke whatever you want when you want, you don't have to deal with the pain of labor, etc.
I really sympathize for you.
You should have to pay, since you're the one who fucking ejaculated. akudood;
The woman decided to take it in her and keep it for all those months, so she's at least 66% responsible.
Quote from: Pancake Persona on February 01, 2009, 10:16:24 AM
The woman decided to take it in her and keep it for all those months, so she's at least 66% responsible.
were talking about abortions.
Quote from: Pancake Persona on February 01, 2009, 10:16:24 AM
The woman decided to take it in her and keep it for all those months, so she's at least 66% responsible.
Not if the guy is like LOL I DIDNT PULL OUT IN TIME SRY
Quote from: Strawberry Fields Forever on February 01, 2009, 10:33:34 AM
Not if the guy is like LOL I DIDNT PULL OUT IN TIME SRY
Both people would be pretty stupid to trust the pull out method
Quote from: YPR on February 01, 2009, 10:35:08 AM
Both people would be pretty stupid to trust the pull out method
but it's so fun
Quote from: YPR on February 01, 2009, 11:02:56 AM
Russian roulette is too
is that like a sex term for fucking like 8 chicks and seeing which one you bust a nut in?
Quote from: Dumb kewn;_; on February 01, 2009, 11:04:15 AM
is that like a sex term for fucking like 8 chicks and seeing which one you bust a nut in?
No, it's an analogy
well at least we know what jmv does on weekends
Quote from: guff on February 01, 2009, 11:12:55 AM
well at least we know what jmv does on weekends
you mean what he wishes he did if he had friends
or dared venture beyond his bedroom door
Quote from: Strawberry Fields Forever on February 01, 2009, 09:14:55 AM
Oh yeah Socks, you're such a victim. You don't have to deal with morning sickness, cramps, fatigue, you can eat, drink, and smoke whatever you want when you want, you don't have to deal with the pain of labor, etc.
Why do you think men live less, in all cultures, than women? Hint, it's not because we have it easier. Just because we suck it up and don't bitch about everything does not mean we don't suffer.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on January 31, 2009, 09:40:40 AM
no it's not.
(http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/fetus2.jpg)
does this thing look like it can do anything?
NO.
its not a person.
it's a fetus.
But it could be a Guff, JMV, YPR, FAMY, or anyone of us. baddood;
i have more hair than that
Quote from: FAMY2 on February 01, 2009, 07:18:24 PM
But it could be a Guff, JMV, YPR, FAMY, or anyone of us.
Pure and beautiful.
Quote from: guff on February 01, 2009, 07:23:28 PM
i have more hair than that
what on your eyebrows baddood;
Quote from: Liopleurodon on February 03, 2009, 09:43:43 AM
that made sense..
have you seen guffs eye brows baddood;
they could trap small birds
Quote from: Brooks on February 03, 2009, 10:00:21 AM
have you seen guffs eye brows baddood;
they could trap small birds
nope i've never seen guff.
Quote from: Liopleurodon on February 03, 2009, 10:04:52 AM
nope i've never seen guff.
(http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2621/guffkf9.jpg)
oh ba giggle;
Quote from: guff on February 03, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
(http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2621/guffkf9.jpg)
oh ba giggle;
oooh.
you don't look like what i thought you would look like
Quote from: guff on February 03, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
(http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2621/guffkf9.jpg)
oh ba giggle;
oh hello guff giggle;
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m54/wrbrooks/eyebrows.png)
Save it for the picture thread ladies baddood;
guff is abortion? baddood;
Quote from: RDX on February 04, 2009, 12:21:57 AM
guff is abortion? baddood;
quiet you i'm derailing this thread in the name of outsider
guff eats babies
guff is a notorious philanderer
Is that why his pee pee hurts? O_0
Quote from: FAMY2 on February 05, 2009, 05:56:26 PM
Is that why his pee pee hurts? O_0
No. His pee pee hurts because he has CANCER.
Okay, back on topic.
I believe abortion is okay in most circumstances. Like if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant, and of course if the life of the mother is also in danger. Yet in my opinion, if it's just for simple convenience ("woops i forgot protection")... I don't really see it being right.
Quote from: Cyanide on February 06, 2009, 06:42:19 PM
I believe abortion is okay in most circumstances. Like if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant, and of course if the life of the mother is also in danger. Yet in my opinion, if it's just for simple convenience ("woops i forgot protection")... I don't really see it being right.
This is my stance as well.
It's murder. I don't believe the tiny fetuses have souls or anyone does for that matter, but it's still killing a human being. It doesn't matter if the baby passed through the vagina or not. It's rediculous how people use abortion as a preventative against having a child. It's become such a common thing people don't even bother with condoms, they'll just get an abortion. If you didn't want a baby don't be a whore and screw around. And if some girl's raped( less than 1% of abortion cases) , i'm sorry but you're in charge of keeping this child alive and you're obligated to do the best can to do so until the baby's born. You don't owe this baby 18 years, or even 1 for that matter. 9 months is all that's required. Plus it's bad for the women too. Mental and physical side effects can be devestating and permanent.
Also fucking Obama want to make partial birth abortion legal after Bush outlawed it with good reason and he also wants to make it legal to murder babies that survived and abortion attempt. That bastard socialist's a pig.
how is it murder if they aren't capable of cognitive thought
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 04, 2009, 03:33:52 PM
Also fucking Obama want to make partial birth abortion legal after Bush outlawed it with good reason and he also wants to make it legal to murder babies that survived and abortion attempt. That bastard socialist's a pig.
Do you really think that you help the pro-life position with this kind of hyperbole? All you're doing is making it easier for people to dismiss you as an extremist, especially when all you can essentially say is 'tough luck' on the rape issue. No one takes sanctimonious diatribes seriously, no matter what the issue.
And being a socialist--pig or otherwise--has nothing to do with one's stance on abortion. Let's keep our invective pertinent to the issue at hand, shall we?
i thought he was kidding
Quote from: Slim on March 04, 2009, 04:46:48 PM
Do you really think that you help the pro-life position with this kind of hyperbole? All you're doing is making it easier for people to dismiss you as an extremist, especially when all you can essentially say is 'tough luck' on the rape issue.
Though under one percent of all abortions are performed because the woman was raped.
Quote from: Brooks on March 04, 2009, 05:00:29 PM
i thought he was kidding
There are people who really think like that, so you can never be too sure.
Quote from: YPR on March 04, 2009, 05:05:32 PM
Though under one percent of all abortions are performed because the woman was raped.
So... what's your point? What about that one percent?
Goddammit, I was about to go buy some tea and saw this and now I have to reply.
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 04, 2009, 03:27:22 PM
It's murder. I don't believe the tiny fetuses have souls or anyone does for that matter, but it's still killing a human being.
What makes it a human being? Bonobos are more capable of thought and communication. A fetus is just clump of thoughtless, lifeless cells. Yes, the cells are alive but they are alive in the way skin cells are alive. They aren't living beings though.
QuoteIt doesn't matter if the baby passed through the vagina or not.
What
QuoteIt's rediculous how people use abortion as a preventative against having a child. It's become such a common thing people don't even bother with condoms, they'll just get an abortion.
Who does that? I'm pretty sure most cases of abortions aren't LOL OMG THIS IS BIRTH CONTROL FOR US.
QuoteIf you didn't want a baby don't be a whore and screw around.
agreed, stupid whores. akudood;
QuoteAnd if some girl's raped( less than 1% of abortion cases) , i'm sorry but you're in charge of keeping this child alive and you're obligated to do the best can to do so until the baby's born.
Why?
QuoteYou don't owe this baby 18 years, or even 1 for that matter. 9 months is all that's required.
Why should she suffer any longer than the duration of the rape?
QuotePlus it's bad for the women too. Mental and physical side effects can be devestating and permanent.
Because child birth, carrying a rape baby, carrying a medical risk fetus, or any combination of the former are so healthy mentally and physically for women.
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 04, 2009, 03:33:52 PM
Also fucking Obama want to make partial birth abortion legal
Do you know what partial birth abortion is, and that it's not the same as killing a fully viable fetus?
There can be overlap, but I'm pretty sure Obama doesn't support abortions after the fetus becomes viable. Partial birth is slightly before that, when the fetus is too large for a regular abortion and it is removed via the cervix.
Quoteafter Bush outlawed it with good reason
Did God talk to him?
Quoteand he also wants to make it legal to murder babies that survived
Source, source source. If he doesn't support aborting viable fetuses why would it be alive?
QuoteThat bastard socialist's a pig.
lol. get it because he wants to give us universal healthcare and other social benefits, damn pinko pig.
Quote from: YPR on March 04, 2009, 05:05:32 PM
Though under one percent of all abortions are performed because the woman was raped.
yeah those statistics definitely aren't skewed at all
"hi i'd like a #1, hold the sonogram yeah my father raped me and i don't want to bear his child" n_u
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 04, 2009, 03:33:52 PM
Also fucking Obama want to make partial birth abortion legal after Bush outlawed it with good reason and he also wants to make it legal to murder babies that survived and abortion attempt. That bastard socialist's a pig.
lol stop reading your email and what does that have to do with his economic agenda n_u
Quote from: guff on March 05, 2009, 01:09:21 PMlol stop reading your email and what does that have to do with his economic agenda n_u
actually he's right.
us socialists are pushing for an economic plan which provides 10 aborted fetuses middle class household.
Quote from: guff on March 05, 2009, 01:09:21 PM
yeah those statistics definitely aren't skewed at all
Even if they are skewed, it will still be an overwhelming minority in terms of reasons why women get abortions.
Quote from: YPR on March 05, 2009, 01:58:32 PM
Even if they are skewed, it will still be an overwhelming minority in terms of reasons why women get abortions.
okay so how about we look at the other reasons baddood;
i don't know about you but even if i was impoverished and made a stupid decision it's highly unlikely that a baby will form in my womb akudood;
QuoteIn 2000, cases of rape or incest accounted for 1% of abortions.[13] Another study, in 1998, revealed that in 1987-1988 women reported the following reasons for choosing an abortion:[14]
25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
21.3% Cannot afford a baby
14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy If the relationship problems are abandonment sure.
12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
7.9% Want no (more) children Only if you tried to prevent it. Otherwise you're a damn idiot
3.3% Risk to fetal health
2.8% Risk to maternal health
2.1% OtherDepends on the other
Bolded are what I find to be legitimate reasons considering the woman takes precautions to avoid it (condom and/or other form of contraception)
Italics can be, under certain circumstances. With my reason next to it underlined.
Some are both.
hay waitthat's everything assuming they took steps to prevent it.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 05, 2009, 02:50:48 PM
Bolded are what I find to be legitimate reasons considering the woman takes precautions to avoid it (condom and/or other form of contraception)
Italics can be, under certain circumstances. With my reason next to it underlined.
Some are both.
hay waitthat's everything assuming they took steps to prevent it.
Risk to fetal health? So killing it is an improvement?
Want to postpone childbearing? Well having sex suggests otherwise
Cannot afford a baby? Adoption
Having a child will disrupt education or job? Adoption
Types of Abortion:
Suction-Aspiration
In this method, the cervical muscle ring must be paralyzed and stretched open. The abortionist then inserts a hollow plastic tube with a knife-like edge into the uterus. The suction tears the babyââ,¬â,,¢s body into pieces. The placenta is cut from the uterine wall and everything is sucked into a bottle.
Dilation and Curettage
This is similar to a suction procedure except a curette, a loop-shaped steel knife is inserted into the uterus. The baby and placenta are cut into pieces and scraped out into a basin. Bleeding is usually very heavy with this method.
Dilation and Evacuation
This type of abortion is done after the third month of pregnancy. The cervix must be dilated before the abortion. Usually Laminaria sticks are inserted into the cervix. These are made of sterilized seaweed that is compressed into thin sticks. When inserted, they absorb moisture and expand, thus enlarging the cervix. A pliers-like instrument is inserted through the cervix into the uterus. The abortionist then seizes a leg, arm or other part of the baby and, with a twisting motion, tears it from the body. This continues until only the head remains. Finally the skull is crushed and pulled out. The nurse must then reassemble the body parts to be sure that all of them were removed.
It's important to note that the fetus, while still relatively undeveloped, has enough brain function to STILL REACT TO PAIN/ATTACK LIKE ANY OTHER LIVING THING.
Quote from: YPR on March 05, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
Risk to fetal health? So killing it is an improvement?
Yes, in some cases.
QuoteWant to postpone childbearing? Well having sex suggests otherwise
What if the condom breaks?
QuoteCannot afford a baby? Adoption
Because there are
no costs prior to having a baby. Checkups with the doctor add up.
Quote
Having a child will disrupt education or job? Adoption
And during the 9 months you're pregnant?
Quote from: Raekewn on March 05, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
Because there are no costs prior to having a baby. Checkups with the doctor add up.
Moral of the story? If you are pregnant, live in Canada.
Quote from: Phone Bill on March 05, 2009, 02:57:57 PM
*shit that goes into the gruesome details of a medical procedure as if that makes it wrong*
What is the point?
QuoteIt's important to note that the fetus, while still relatively undeveloped, has enough brain function to STILL REACT TO PAIN/ATTACK LIKE ANY OTHER LIVING THING.
Amoeba rights!
Quote from: Phone Bill on March 05, 2009, 03:01:50 PM
Moral of the story? If you are pregnant, live in Canada.
And instead of just one medical procedure and a check up or 2, have multiple check ups, go through labor, and another check up?
awesome way to inefficiently use a good healthcare sytem.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 05, 2009, 03:02:05 PM
What is the point?
How would you like it if I deemed you a hindrance to my life and I decided to rip off your limbs one by one, and then finally squish your head?
Quote from: Raekewn on March 05, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
What if the condom breaks?
Well if you're not having sex, that's probably a minor issue. If the condom breaks, too bad.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 05, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
Because there are no costs prior to having a baby. Checkups with the doctor add up.And during the 9 months you're pregnant?
Yet they can afford an abortion?
Quote from: Phone Bill on March 05, 2009, 03:03:45 PM
How would you like it if I deemed you a hindrance to my life and I decided to rip off your limbs one by one, and then finally squish your head?
I'd thank you.
Also, I wouldn't care since I WOULDN'T BE ALIVE.
Quote from: YPR on March 05, 2009, 03:04:47 PM
Well if you're not having sex, that's probably a minor issue. If the condom breaks, too bad.
Why shouldn't they have sex?
Quote
Yet they can afford an abortion?
Significantly cheaper than repeated visits to the doctor and staying in the hospital while giving birth.
Ok, you've convinced me Raekewn.
It's okay to kill people because they won't be alive so they won't be able to care. happydood;
Quote from: Raekewn on March 05, 2009, 03:13:59 PM
Why shouldn't they have sex?
Because they don't want a baby.
Quote from: Phone Bill on March 05, 2009, 03:19:03 PM
Ok, you've convinced me Raekewn.
It's okay to kill people because they won't be alive so they won't be able to care. happydood;
They're not alive so you're not killing them. Hence, I couldn't care if I was aborted since I wouldn't be alive to care.
Quote from: YPR on March 05, 2009, 03:27:52 PM
Because they don't want a baby.
What the hell are birth control pills for then?
Quote from: Raekewn on March 05, 2009, 03:29:59 PM
What the hell are birth control pills for then?
Playing russian roulette with your eggs
Quote from: YPR on March 05, 2009, 03:32:31 PM
Playing russian roulette with your eggs
i'm guessing your part of pa only taught abstinence only hocuspocus;
Quote from: Raekewn on March 05, 2009, 03:33:48 PM
i'm guessing your part of pa only taught abstinence only hocuspocus;
My Catholic school did.
My public school taught rednecks should fuck and get married before they're 20 otherwise they'll never amount to anything n_u
Quote from: YPR on March 05, 2009, 03:04:47 PM
Well if you're not having sex, that's probably a minor issue. If the condom breaks, too bad.
this is the sort of compassionate conservatism that makes america great baddood;
Quote from: YPR on March 05, 2009, 03:04:47 PM
Yet they can afford an abortion?
from http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/cost.html:
QuoteIn 2001, the average charge for a surgical abortion at 10 weeksââ,¬â,,¢ gestation was $468; but since most abortions in the United States are performed at low-cost clinics, women on average paid $372 for the procedure.
in other words: not much compared to the cost of a child
Quote from: Phone Bill on March 05, 2009, 02:57:57 PM
It's important to note that the fetus, while still relatively undeveloped, has enough brain function to STILL REACT TO PAIN/ATTACK LIKE ANY OTHER LIVING THING.
the whole fetuses feeling pain thing is pretty inconclusive at least for the first bunch of weeks
but anyways are you a vegan because well you know n_u
Quote from: YPR on March 05, 2009, 03:27:52 PM
Because they don't want a baby.
okay then you should stop drinking unless you want sorosis n_u
Quote from: Phone Bill on March 05, 2009, 03:03:45 PM
How would you like it if I deemed you a hindrance to my life and I decided to rip off your limbs one by one, and then finally squish your head?
so if abortions were a long and complicated procedure in which the fetus was properly anesthetized and carefully removed from the womb and then given a painless lethal cocktail would you be okay with them
Quote from: guff on March 05, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
this is the sort of compassionate conservatism that makes america great
So wanting to prevent what in my personal opinion is murder shows a lack of compassion?
Quote from: guff on March 05, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
from http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/cost.html:in other words: not much compared to the cost of a child
I'm not comparing the price of raising a child to it, I'm merely wondering if the price of check-ups for 9 months is that much more than an abortion...
Quote from: guff on March 05, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
okay then you should stop drinking unless you want sorosis n_u
I'll accept the concequences of my actions.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 05, 2009, 02:50:48 PM
in 1987-1988 women reported the following reasons for choosing an abortion:
LOL
uh i really doubt Obama is pushing for partial-birth abortion, and if he is there's no way it can go through at this point in our country's... something. It's just undeniably murder, at that point.
Quote from: Fatman Scoop on March 05, 2009, 03:45:43 PM
LOL
I guess it should be important to point out that the abortion rate is actually lower, so I don't get your point.
There were 1million+ yearly in that time frame.
In recent years it's been less than 900,000 per year.
We should really introduce abortion to Japan.
Quote from: guff on March 05, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
this is the sort of compassionate conservatism that makes america great baddood;from http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/cost.html:in other words: not much compared to the cost of a childthe whole fetuses feeling pain thing is pretty inconclusive at least for the first bunch of weeks
but anyways are you a vegan because well you know n_uokay then you should stop drinking unless you want sorosis n_uso if abortions were a long and complicated procedure in which the fetus was properly anesthetized and carefully removed from the womb and then given a painless lethal cocktail would you be okay with them
To be honest, I'm not really sure how I would feel. I'd probably just stay pro-choice, but more leaning towards against abortion.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 05, 2009, 03:59:39 PM
I guess it should be important to point out that the abortion rate is actually lower, so I don't get your point.
There were 1million+ yearly in that time frame.
In recent years it's been less than 900,000 per year.
i was just fcking loling bro step off baddood;
Quote from: Veal on March 05, 2009, 03:57:38 PM
uh i really doubt Obama is pushing for partial-birth abortion, and if he is there's no way it can go through at this point in our country's... something. It's just undeniably murder, at that point.
You
really doubt Obama's for partial birth abortion? Oh i can see you've really studied up on your politics. People like you are the only reason he got elected. People make decisions without knowing what they're talking about.
Sixth paragraph down.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 06, 2009, 08:35:07 AM
You really doubt Obama's for partial birth abortion? Oh i can see you've really studied up on your politics. People like you are the only reason he got elected. People make decisions without knowing what they're talking about.
i kind of thought veal voted for mccain i dunno n_u
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 06, 2009, 08:35:07 AM
Sixth paragraph down.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html
that doesn't support your claim of him wishing to repeal the ban, just that he voted against a ban once in the illinois senate because it got muddled up and didn't originally include provisions for the mother's health
in other statements he has indicated that it's an issue that should be decided on a state-by-state basis, and in that sense he would oppose the federal ban
I fully support abortion.
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 06, 2009, 08:35:07 AM
You really doubt Obama's for partial birth abortion?
That's what I said.
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 06, 2009, 08:35:07 AM
Oh i can see you've really studied up on your politics.
No, not really.
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 06, 2009, 08:35:07 AM
People like you are the only reason he got elected.
By voting for McCain I elected Obama?
someone should fix that.
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 06, 2009, 08:35:07 AM
People make decisions without knowing what they're talking about.
Yeah we wouldn't want people assuming things.
Quote from: Veal on March 06, 2009, 01:20:46 PM
By voting for McCain I elected Obama?
Next time, EVERYONE needs to vote to reelect Obama so when he gets 100% of the votes they will think somehting is up and this is how it won't be your fault. akudood;
Quote from: Raekewn on March 06, 2009, 01:22:33 PM
Next time, EVERYONE needs to vote to reelect Obama so when he gets 100% of the votes they will think somehting is up and this is how it won't be your fault. akudood;
No I think the only way to vote for McCain is to vote for Nader.
my god i get i couple of mri's and look what i find when i get back
and there's hardly any fun posts at all
Quote from: Veal on March 05, 2009, 04:01:32 PM
We should really introduce abortion to Japan.
and terrorists
Quote from: Phone Bill on March 05, 2009, 02:57:57 PM
It's important to note that the fetus, while still relatively undeveloped, has enough brain function to STILL REACT TO PAIN/ATTACK LIKE ANY OTHER LIVING THING.
LOL
JMV is scary liberal.
Quote from: JUNE BANDIT #14 on March 07, 2009, 05:14:46 PM
JMV is scary liberal.
It's good to be open minded, but not to the point where your brain falls out.
Quote from: Socks on March 07, 2009, 09:39:13 PM
It's good to be open minded, but not to the point where your brain falls out.
It's good to quote clichés, but not to the point where it becomes exceedingly obnoxious.
JMV is so blinded by the liberal movement that he follows all of their views including their support of the the right to bear arms.
oh wait lol baddood;
Quote from: Slim on March 07, 2009, 09:42:51 PM
It's good to quote clichés, but not to the point where it becomes exceedingly obnoxious.
And a threshold of one cliche is clearly generous.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 07, 2009, 09:45:32 PM
JMV is so blinded by the liberal movement that he follows all of their views including their support of the the right to bear arms.
oh wait lol baddood;
Don't you have some PETA protest to attend or something? Go away, hippie.
Quote from: guff on March 07, 2009, 10:02:06 PM
boo baddood;
that's the worst jmv costume i've ever seen baddood;
Quote from: Socks on March 07, 2009, 09:39:13 PM
It's good to be open minded, but not to the point where your brain falls out.
Absolutely, stay conscious of what you're supporting!
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 08, 2009, 07:35:50 PM
Absolutely, stay conscious of what you're supporting!
Womens' Rights!
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 07:44:48 PM
Womens' Rights!
But it's ok to kill females inside a woman!
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 07:44:48 PM
Womens' Rights!
I believe women have the right to their bodies, but that's another person inside you. That whole "Women can do whatever they want to their bodies." makes no sense to me.
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 07:48:55 PM
But it's ok to kill females inside a woman!
you can't kill what is not alive.
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 08, 2009, 07:51:38 PM
I believe women have the right to their bodies, but that's another person inside you. That whole "Women can do whatever they want to their bodies." makes no sense to me.
it's not a person inside you and women don't have the right to be whores with their body, just to not bring have children.
also dicks
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 07:54:08 PM
you can't kill what is not alive
that which is not alive cannot grow
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 07:56:16 PM
that which is not alive cannot grow
Fire can grow.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:02:02 PM
Fire can grow.
I'd say fire spreads rather than grows. I'm referring to the type of growth such as that of a progression from simpler to more complex forms
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 08:03:43 PM
I'd say fire spreads rather than grows
So do whores, if you know what I mean.
Also crystals grow. I donut think quartz is alive.
also cancer grows. cancer is living cells but it is not "alive" just like a fetus.
Edited other post
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:05:23 PM
cancer is living cells but it is not "alive" just like a fetus.
So something can be living, but not alive?
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 08:06:47 PM
Edited other post
are diamonds alive
QuoteSo something can be living, but not alive?
yes.
yes they can.
or is cancer and other cells the same as a human to you. akudood;
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:09:57 PM
are diamonds alive
yes.
yes they can.
or is cancer and other cells the same as a human to you. akudood;
No, because cancer will never grow into another human being.
And defining "living" - the experience of being alive
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 08:11:45 PM
No, because cancer will never grow into another human being.
but it can grow.
are you against ejaculating outside of a vagina and menstruating too?
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 07:54:08 PM
you can't kill what is not alive.
Right, 8.5 month old infants aren't living. Hell, they're not even human until they've passed the vagina right?
uh arguing that fetusfaces aren't alive is a bit silly
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 08, 2009, 07:51:38 PM
That whole "Women can do whatever they want to their bodies." makes no sense to me.
so let's see what can women do with or to their bodies:
- piercings
- laser eye surgery
- expectorate
- amputation of limbs, completely severing dependent cells
- get frostbite
- menstruate
remove a clump of cells in utero
- dirtbike
and yes that is an exhaustive list
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 08, 2009, 08:15:14 PM
Right, 8.5 month old infants aren't living. Hell, they're not even human until they've passed the vagina right?
I never said that. psyduck;
I've stated
multiple times that I don't support abortions once the fetus is in the third trimester (thus being viable), because
then the fetus is alive. If it were to be born, it'd most likely survive. So, that's about 7 months(28 weeks or so), which is far earlier than your bullshit 8.5 argument which I see no one supporting.
QuoteAnother thing that both sides agree on is that it is inaccurate to report, as CBS Evening News has done repeatedly, that the bill is a "late-term abortion ban." It is a ban not of "late-term abortion" but of a defined method -- and the legal definition of that method has never referred to a point in "term," but rather, to the location of the living baby when he or she is killed. (See "Is It Misleading to Call it Partial 'Birth'?," below.)
In reality, partial-birth abortion cannot be performed in the first three months, and most are performed in the fifth and sixth months. So, then, are partial-birth abortions "late-term" abortions? The question is impossible to answer, because the label "late-term" has no standard legal or medical meaning, and is used in wildly different ways. Pro-abortion groups exploit this ambiguity -- they use the label "late-term" as code for "third-trimester," meaning the seventh month and later -- a period that begins roughly three weeks AFTER babies typically attain the lung development sufficient to survive indefinitely outside the womb (so-called "viability").
When journalists describe the bill as a "ban on late-term abortions" or "certain late-term abortions," they introduce an element of ambiguity or outright distortion into everything else they say about the matter, because many readers may understand the label as referring to third-trimester abortions, while many others will regard abortions in the fifth and sixth months as "late-term abortions" too.
Consider the medical illustrations used this year during the House and Senate floor debates, which accurately depict a typical partial-birth abortion of a baby at 24 weeks (five and one-half months). Here is a proposed experiment for journalists: Show one of these illustrations to the first 10 people you meet on the street, explain that it shows "an abortion," and ask if they think it looks like a "late-term" abortion. We predict that most will reply in the affirmative. Yet, what the illustration shows is not, in the usage of NARAL and Planned Parenthood, a "late-term" (third-trimester) abortion. The term "third trimester" is used to refer to points as early as the start of the 25th week and as late as the start of the 27th week.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/pbaall110403.html
tl;dr the partial birth abortions you were bitching about us socialist pigs supporting take place before the fetus becomes viable.
oh look, did i just use a pro-life site as my source and it didn't contradict what i said even with its silly bias.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:23:47 PM
I never said that. psyduck;
I've stated multiple times that I don't support abortions once the fetus is in the third trimester (thus being viable), because then the fetus is alive. If it were to be born, it'd most likely survive. So, that's about 7 months(28 weeks or so), which is far earlier than your bullshit 8.5 argument which I see no one supporting.
tl;dr the partial birth abortions you were bitching about us socialist pigs supporting take place before the fetus becomes viable.
my bad sorry.
Quote from: guff on March 08, 2009, 08:22:31 PM
uh arguing that fetusfaces aren't alive is a bit silly
alive in the same sense that a baby is alive.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:25:48 PM
alive in the same sense that a baby is alive.
i would still say that's a bit silly
they are alive in the strictest definition of the word but whether fetusfaces have the higher brain functions that we consider humans is another issue and from what i've seen yeah that's definitely not true for the first trimester
Quote from: guff on March 08, 2009, 08:32:38 PM
i would still say that's a bit silly
they are alive in the strictest definition of the word but whether fetusfaces have the higher brain functions that we consider humans is another issue and from what i've seen yeah that's definitely not true for the first trimester
okay they are not more alive than an amoeba there
I am in support of abortion in some cases hocuspocus;
Sorry Hiro. Abortions are bad, even if you are 9 year old girl raped by your stepfather. If you get one you WILL be excommunicated (http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/5375029/vatican-defends-brazil-excommunication/)
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:33:36 PM
okay they are not more alive than an amoeba there
god damnit the definition of life is black and white there's nothing in between alive and non-living i mean sure a cocaine-using partygoer will say they've never felt more alive but a) they are stupid and b) they're pretty much right anyways they have never felt more alive nor have they ever felt less alive for there is only one level of aliveosity akudood;
Quote from: guff on March 08, 2009, 08:41:06 PM
god damnit the definition of life is black and white there's nothing in between alive and non-living i mean sure a cocaine-using partygoer will say they've never felt more alive but a) they are stupid and b) they're pretty much right anyways they have never felt more alive nor have they ever felt less alive for there is only one level of aliveosity akudood;
goddammit, they have the same brain function as a damn protist. yes it's "alive" but not if you're applying the term to the human condition. akudood;
I bet the extra 115,000 babies a day would be a great idea.
http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
42,000,0000 babies extra a year wouldn't be bad.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:43:52 PM
goddammit, they have the same brain function as a damn protist. yes it's "alive" but not if you're applying the term to the human condition. akudood;
brain function has nothing to do with aliveness goddamnit use a different term already akudood;
Quote from: guff on March 08, 2009, 08:41:06 PM
god damnit the definition of life is black and white there's nothing in between alive and non-living i mean sure a cocaine-using partygoer will say they've never felt more alive but a) they are stupid and b) they're pretty much right anyways they have never felt more alive nor have they ever felt less alive for there is only one level of aliveosity akudood;
they're just using it as a figure of speech god stop picking on the poor crackheads just because they're an easy target baddood;
Quote from: guff on March 08, 2009, 08:45:59 PM
brain function has nothing to do with aliveness goddamnit use a different term already akudood;
sentient
happy?
QuoteWho's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".
lol
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:13:39 PM
but it can grow.
are you against ejaculating outside of a vagina and menstruating too?
There's a difference between a zygote and eggs or sperm
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 08:47:25 PM
There's a difference between a zygote and eggs or sperm
just as there's a difference between a fetusface and babby
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:46:59 PM
lol
Oh wow, imagine the largest religious demographic also being the largest percentage of something else.
IMPOSSIBLE
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 08:47:25 PM
There's a difference between a zygote and eggs or sperm
if you are gonna pretend to be all sciencish you could have said zygote and gamete
and the only difference is the number of chromosomes and cell division.
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 08:49:15 PM
Oh wow, imagine the largest religious demographic also being the largest percentage of something else.
IMPOSSIBLE
The largest religious demographics also forbid abortions, so shouldn't their incidence of abortion be lower, and nonreligious be higher?
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:51:05 PM
The largest religious demographics also forbid abortions, so shouldn't their incidence of abortion be lower, and nonreligious be higher?
uh from what i remember i'm pretty sure the no affiliation/nonreligious or whatever number from your source is proportionally higher than that of the general population but anyways hows about we not argue about how well people follow their own religions because that's a bit silly akudood;
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:51:05 PM
The largest religious demographics also forbid abortions, so shouldn't their incidence of abortion be lower, and nonreligious be higher?
Uh, no, because the religious still have hundreds of millions of people more than the nonreligious. I think odds are good they will make up the majority of any statistic.
Quote from: guff on March 08, 2009, 08:53:52 PM
uh from what i remember i'm pretty sure the no affiliation/nonreligious or whatever number from your source is proportionally higher than that of the general population but anyways hows about we not argue about how well people follow their own religions because that's a bit silly akudood;
well actually it's not much higher in 2001 it was 14.1% so yeah
and also it wasn't really more of an argument for abortion but lol they want to ban it but they are among hte largest percentage of users.
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 08:57:09 PM
Uh, no, because the religious still have hundreds of millions of people more than the nonreligious. I think odds are good they will make up the majority of any statistic.
like sinners akudood;
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:58:43 PM
like sinners akudood;
and donors to charity
and consumers of big macs
and homosexuals
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 08:59:52 PM
and donors to charity
and consumers of big macs
and homosexuals
i said sinners
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 08:58:43 PM
like sinners akudood;
Well, of course. 100% to be exact.
You can't be a sinner if you don't believe in sin to begin with. hocuspocus;
Quote from: YPR on March 08, 2009, 09:01:14 PM
I read
i was gonna say something else but it's wrong thread for that. akudood;
uhm. so would support an abortion if the fetus had a serious disease and wouldn't be able to live past a few years akudood;
Quote from: Thyme on March 08, 2009, 09:03:52 PM
Well, of course. 100% to be exact.
You can't be a sinner if you don't believe in sin to begin with. hocuspocus;
i can't have aids if i don't believe in it hocuspocus;
"An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old."
Maybe we should have mandatory sex ed about specifically contraceptives and what works and what doesn't. I mean almost half of all women have them? I think somethings wrong if that is true.
Quote from: reefer on March 08, 2009, 09:18:05 PM
"An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old."
Maybe we should have mandatory sex ed about specifically contraceptives and what works and what doesn't. I mean almost half of all women have them? I think somethings wrong if that is true.
NO, ABSTINENCE ONLY.
Quote from: guff on March 08, 2009, 09:15:31 PM
i can't have aids if i don't believe in it hocuspocus;
that doesn't work hocuspocus;
Quote from: Thyme on March 08, 2009, 09:25:25 PM
that doesn't work hocuspocus;
whoopsie hocuspocus;
why would somebody wait until they're 8.5 months pregnant to even get an abortion
Quote from: Caffeine Free on March 09, 2009, 01:01:45 PM
why would somebody wait until they're 8.5 months pregnant to even get an abortion
With abortion available, women have 9 months to decide if they actually want the baby. Plus circumstances can change a lot over that amount of time. Maybe her baby's daddy left her... She should have decided whether or not she wanted a child before she screwed around without protection and got pregnant.
People do get abortions that far into pregnancy, though. I don't understand why they came that far and they can't just give the baby up for adoption afer it's born.
Quote from: Raekewn on March 08, 2009, 09:05:43 PM
uhm. so would support an abortion if the fetus had a serious disease and wouldn't be able to live past a few years akudood;
Well, I'd have to stick by my stance that you should give every unborn child a chance at life so I'd want it to be born. But it's difficult to watch a child die slowly like that. Makes me think of patient requested euthanasia, but if the child is only a few years old it'd be difficult having him/her make a decision like that with complete reasonable thought. I couldn't give you an answer... i don't know what i'd do in that situation. I'd want the child... but i don't know.
Quote from: :atomsk: on March 09, 2009, 01:11:32 PM
With abortion available, women have 9 months to decide if they actually want the baby.
uh not necessarily
Quote from: wikipediaAs of April 2007, 36 states had bans on late-term abortions that were not facially unconstitutional (i.e. banning all abortions) or enjoined by court order. In addition, the Supreme Court in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart ruled that Congress may ban certain late-term abortion techniques, "both previability and postviability".
also uh it would appear that very very few abortions are performed that late in a pregnancy as only 0.08% are even performed after 24 weeks let alone the numbers you've pulled out of your ass
Quote from: â‚€₩₦ on March 08, 2009, 08:13:39 PM
but it can grow.
are you against ejaculating outside of a vagina and menstruating too?
A sperm cell is one cell, not unlike your neurons, your muscle cells, your skin cells, or whatever. Until you eject it at rapid velocity, it's just another part of you; the major differences being that as a fully differentiated adult cell, a sperm cell only contains half the normal amount of DNA (which is how the whole sexual reproduction thing, you know, works).
A human child in utero is a distinct, living human organism, no matter what stage of biological development it is in. Your sperm is just one cell.
Quote from: Alan on March 17, 2009, 01:32:38 PM
A sperm cell is one cell, not unlike your neurons, your muscle cells, your skin cells, or whatever. Until you eject it at rapid velocity, it's just another part of you; the major differences being that as a fully differentiated adult cell, a sperm cell only contains half the normal amount of DNA (which is how the whole sexual reproduction thing, you know, works).
A human child in utero is a distinct, living human organism, no matter what stage of biological development it is in. Your sperm is just one cell.
I don't really think either is a sentient being but sure.
Some women don't even know they are pregnant. baddood;
Quote from: FAMY2 on March 28, 2009, 09:04:53 AM
Some women don't even know they are pregnant. baddood;
well then abortion isn't really an option for them n_u
Quote from: Bolivian Army on March 28, 2009, 10:49:48 AM
well then abortion isn't really an option for them n_u
abortion is not a laughing matter ba akudood;
Quote from: guff on March 28, 2009, 11:40:08 AM
abortion is not a laughing matter ba akudood;
i think you're just closed minded baddood;
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on July 20, 2007, 06:35:32 PM
Don't ejaculate unless it's into a vagina with no form of birth control. Otherwise you'll be wasting sperm which could develop into life.
That's a tired argument, as well. A sperm does not have the ability to independently create life - it has to merge with the egg to form a life. Masturbation, oral sex, or anything else that leads to ejaculation outside of a vagina is not killing life.
Quote from: Zach on March 30, 2009, 08:32:42 AM
That's a tired argument, as well. A sperm does not have the ability to independently create life - it has to merge with the egg to form a life. Masturbation, oral sex, or anything else that leads to ejaculation outside of a vagina is not killing life.
Then why is the Catholic Church against contraception?
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 08:57:00 AM
Then why is the Catholic Church against contraception?
Sex is supposed to be about procreation rather than pleasure. Something like that
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 08:57:00 AM
Then why is the Catholic Church against contraception?
Because they're against the waste of seed. They are opposed to all ejaculation outside of a vagina because they think that sperm is only supposed to go inside of your wife.
what about when the priests do it in children
oooooooh burn
But they are against birth control too.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 11:54:17 AM
what about when the priests do it in children
oooooooh burn
But they are against birth control too.
Yes, they are. The Catholics have a bunch of odd stances.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 11:54:17 AM
But they are against birth control too.
Quote from: YPR on March 30, 2009, 09:08:31 AM
Sex is supposed to be about procreation rather than pleasure. Something like that
Quote from: YPR on March 30, 2009, 12:37:56 PM
yeah i wasn't talking to you.
the church also preaches that LOL SEX AFTER MENSTRUATION as its 'birth control' so that's not entirely true
Quote from: Zach on March 30, 2009, 12:34:48 PM
Yes, they are. The Catholics have a bunch of odd stances.
exactly
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 12:42:22 PM
yeah i wasn't talking to you.
the church also preaches that LOL SEX AFTER MENSTRUATION as its 'birth control' so that's not entirely true
LOL RANDOM BURSTS OF CAPS LOCK
Quote from: Zach on March 30, 2009, 12:34:48 PM
Yes, they are. The Catholics have a bunch of odd stances.
Protestants had the same stances into the 1900s
Quote from: YPR on March 30, 2009, 12:50:14 PM
LOL RANDOM BURSTS OF CAPS LOCK
it wasn't actually a random burst of caps lock.
i just put what would be a stupid quote in caps instead of quotation marks to show how stupid the stance on something is
QuoteProtestants had the same stances into the 1900s
yeah
now they just have other stupid stances.
like protesting funerals of soldiers because we have gay people
God hates fags and abortion.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 12:52:39 PM
it wasn't actually a random burst of caps lock.
i just put what would be a stupid quote in caps instead of quotation marks to show how stupid the stance on something is
You could have made your point just as well without the capitalization.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 12:52:39 PM
yeah
now they just have other stupid stances.
like protesting funerals of soldiers because we have gay people
They're not even a church, they just call themselves that.
Quote from: ãÆ'ªã‚ºãÆ' å¤©å›½ã‚´ãÆ'¼ãÆ'«ãÆ'‰ on March 30, 2009, 12:54:50 PM
God hates abortion.
Uh yeah, I hate murder too n_u
Quote from: YPR on March 30, 2009, 12:56:26 PM
Uh yeah, I hate murder too n_u
How do we know if the babies are alive?
I seriously want to know. :(
god hates catholics/protestants (depending on if you are protestant or catholic that view changes), shell fish, spandex, snakes, dinosaurs, mammoths, gopherwood, atheists, magicians, wizards, gnomes, pedophiles, muslims, hindus, polytheists, liars, and almost everyone
he loves you
Quote from: YPR on March 30, 2009, 12:56:26 PM
You could have made your point just as well without the capitalization.
but how would it show the stupidity of using sex after a period as a method of birth control.
QuoteThey're not even a church, they just call themselves that.
they can be a church if they want to be.
QuoteUh yeah, I hate murder too n_u
do you hate murderers
Quote from: YPR on March 30, 2009, 12:56:26 PM
They're not even a church, they just call themselves that.
lol no true scotsman n_u
Quote from: ãÆ'ªã‚ºãÆ' å¤©å›½ã‚´ãÆ'¼ãÆ'«ãÆ'‰ on March 30, 2009, 12:57:44 PM
How do we know if the babies are alive?
uh well fetuses are definitely alive from the strict biological definition of the word
whether they are human beings or rather that they should be afforded the same rights or not is far more subjective and that's a pretty big point of contention akudood;
does an american fetus have the right to bear arms
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 01:03:21 PM
does an american fetus have the right to bear arms
if it is part of a well regulated then yes akudood;
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
god hates catholics/protestants (depending on if you are protestant or catholic that view changes), shell fish, spandex, snakes, dinosaurs, mammoths, gopherwood, atheists, magicians, wizards, gnomes, pedophiles, muslims, hindus, polytheists, liars, and almost everyone
he loves you
I thought the point was God loves everyone doodhuh;
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
they can be a church if they want to be.
No one recognizes them as such. They're really just a hate group.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
do you hate murderers
No, but I don't have any respect for them.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
but how would it show the stupidity of using sex after a period as a method of birth control.
If your argument is solid, you shouldn't need to resort to such methods as your argument should already convey your point without the need of such devices.
Quote from: YPR on March 30, 2009, 01:14:13 PM
I thought the point was God loves everyone doodhuh;
then why do people go to hell and why does he kill people
QuoteNo one recognizes them as such.
by that logic there are not churches. christians were just recognized as a cult first. protestants don't recognize the catholics as a true church. i'm sure these people call themselves a church.
QuoteThey're really just a hate group.
they're actually good christians following god's law stating that homos must die for being made in god's image and being born gay. it says to kill them in the bible.
Quote
No, but I don't have any respect for them.
but what if god told them to murder someone/god was the murderer
QuoteIf your argument is solid, you shouldn't need to resort to such methods as your argument should already convey your point without the need of such devices.
my argument is solid as pigs and/or dolphinsââ,¬â€œi can't remember atmââ,¬â€œengage in sex for pleasure in nature and thus unless the animals sin it's completely natural
i love how jmv just says random shit without sources ;)
it really makes me take him seriously and not ignorant in any way, shape, or form
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 30, 2009, 03:54:21 PM
i love how jmv just says random shit without sources ;)
Everything I said was common knowledge. If you need a source ask what part you took issue with.
btw catholics believe in god (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholics) in case you need a source.
Quote
it really makes me take him seriously and not ignorant in any way, shape, or form
As seriously as believing that God in the flesh lived 2000 years ago?
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 03:59:44 PM
If you need a source ask what part you took issue with.
but then she wouldn't get to be as condescending baddood;
Quote from: guff on March 30, 2009, 04:03:05 PM
but then she wouldn't get to be as condescending baddood;
shhh how do you know the bible really says fags should die do you have a source.
and why am i the only one that needs a source why not the pro-life people
Quote from: guff on March 30, 2009, 04:03:05 PM
but then she wouldn't get to be as condescending baddood;
guff do you have some dirt and pixie dust i can borrow
i want to create a planet
maybe i can bring back dinosaurs if im lucky
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:04:47 PM
shhh how do you know the bible really says fags should die do you have a source.
and why am i the only one that needs a source why not the pro-life people
everything is common knowledge remember,
duh
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:05:06 PM
guff do you have some dirt and pixie dust i can borrow
i want to create a planet
maybe i can bring back dinosaurs if im lucky
i cant tell if youre mocking christianity or not
Quoteeverything is common knowledge remember, duh
cool dodge. everything i said is either in a freshman biology class, high school world history 2, and the bible. not like im busting out gnostic scripture or some random study.
what are you saying i have no source for
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:05:06 PM
guff do you have some dirt and pixie dust i can borrow
i want to create a planet
maybe i can bring back dinosaurs if im lucky
do you have an old magic man that could do it for me
or maybe your parents could just buy you one akudood;
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:08:32 PM
i cant tell if youre mocking christianity or not
wat
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:08:32 PM
cool dodge. everything i said is either in a freshman biology class, high school world history 2, and the bible. not like im busting out gnostic scripture or some random study.
what are you saying i have no source for
im just pissing you off on purpose
i just know how angry you get when people
correct challenge you about your atheism
Quote from: guff on March 30, 2009, 04:10:45 PM
do you have an old magic man that could do it for me
or maybe your parents could just buy you one akudood;
ouch that one stung
Quote from: Det in F♯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:12:53 PM
wat
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Quoteim just pissing you off on purpose
i just know how angry you get when people correct challenge you about your atheism
except i said nothing about atheism
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:17:01 PM
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
but where are the dinosaurs
possession is 9/10ths of the law
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:17:01 PM
except i said nothing about atheism
and i said nothing about ice cream baddood;
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:21:03 PM
but where are the dinosaurs
possession is 9/10ths of the law
they were put there to test your faith.
Quoteand i said nothing about ice cream baddood;
so basically you were trying to counter a post i made witout a post to counter so claimed you were trolling because "i get mad when people 'challenge' my atheism" and then saw i made no posts regarding the existence of God but rather the Catholic Church's stance on birth control and fundies you try to hide it. bassir;
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:12:53 PM
im just pissing you off on purpose
i just know how angry you get when people correct challenge you about your atheism
you were replying to me though doodhuh;
indirect trolling is inefficient akudood;
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 01:20:57 PM
then why do people go to hell and why does he kill people
because they're all sinners like
you baddood;
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 01:20:57 PM
they're actually good christians following god's law stating that homos must die for being made in god's image and being born gay. it says to kill them in the bible.
yeah but then they're all up in romans 5:8s face with all their hatin' baddood;
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 01:20:57 PM
my argument is solid as pigs and/or dolphinsââ,¬â€œi can't remember atmââ,¬â€œengage in sex for pleasure in nature and thus unless the animals sin it's completely natural
pigs have been known to eat slop containing other dead pigs are you supporting cannibalism jmv? baddood;
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:25:09 PM
they were put there to test your faith.
where did they go jmv
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:25:09 PM
so basically you were trying to counter a post i made witout a post to counter so claimed you were trolling because "i get mad when people 'challenge' my atheism" and then saw i made no posts regarding the existence of God but rather the Catholic Church's stance on birth control and fundies you try to hide it. bassir;
what am i hiding again
For Det_Napoli's stance, please see prior posts made by Your Posting Rival.Quote from: guff on March 30, 2009, 04:29:24 PM
you were replying to me though doodhuh;
indirect trolling is inefficient akudood;
what are you mumbling over there
For Slim's stance, please see prior posts made by Slim.
Quote from: Det in F♯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:30:33 PM
where did they go jmv
they were never there
Quotewhat am i hiding again
beelzebub
QuoteFor Det_Napoli's stance, please see prior posts made by Your Posting Rival.
you like drinkin too? :O
AND HERE I BROKE IT DOWN:
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:25:09 PM
so basically you were trying to counter a post i made witout a post to counter
Quote from: Det in F♯ Major on March 30, 2009, 03:54:21 PM
i love how jmv just says random shit without sources ;)
it really makes me take him seriously and not ignorant in any way, shape, or form
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:25:09 PMso claimed you were trolling because "i get mad when people 'challenge' my atheism" and then saw i made no posts regarding the existence of God but rather the Catholic Church's stance on birth control and fundies
Quote from: Det in F♯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:12:53 PMim just pissing you off on purpose
i just know how angry you get when people correct challenge you about your atheism
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:25:09 PMyou try to hide it. bassir;
Quote from: Det in F♯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:21:03 PMand i said nothing about ice cream baddood;
there
inflammatory comment luls ;)
Quote from: guff on March 30, 2009, 04:38:37 PM
inflammatory comment luls ;)
incendiary remark luls ;)
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:37:04 PM
you like drinkin too? :O
only his stances made in this thread in the past 24 hours ;)
duhhhh common knowledge yeahhhh
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:41:51 PM
only his stances made in this thread in the past 24 hours ;)
duhhhh common knowledge yeahhhh
it is pretty common knowledge doodthing;
Quote from: im on a boat on March 30, 2009, 04:42:47 PM
it is pretty common knowledge doodthing;
its common knowledge that its common knowledge baddood;
det knows how to win friends and influence people baddood;
Quote from: guff on March 30, 2009, 04:44:47 PM
det knows how to win friends and influence people baddood;
guff goes to community college baddood;
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:45:49 PM
guff goes to community college baddood;
no, it is spring break baddood;
Quote from: guff on March 30, 2009, 04:48:49 PM
no, it is spring break baddood;
wtf mine starts next week baddood;
mine started in october
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 04:51:14 PM
mine started in october
the case of brown v. the board of education clearly states raccoons are always on spring break
it's funny because brown is a brown person
this is the best page of the thread.
srsly
Quote from: Slim on March 30, 2009, 04:57:03 PM
this is the best page of the thread.
srsly
i know
people are actually taking me
seriously in
serious discussion! it's most excellent!
but really i was just being a bitch because i have a migraine and the way jmv just kills people was annoying me. baddood;
there was really nothing wrong with the discussion it just needed more det(rimental action). ;)
ps Guff is Great!
i kill people because it is required for my pagan sacrifices so i can eat.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 01:20:57 PM
then why do people go to hell and why does he kill people
For being immoral and for disbelief.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 01:20:57 PM
my argument is solid as pigs and/or dolphinsââ,¬â€œi can't remember atmââ,¬â€œengage in sex for pleasure in nature and thus unless the animals sin it's completely natural
Does that make it right for fathers to eat their children or women to decapitate their mates?
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 01:20:57 PMby that logic there are not churches. christians were just recognized as a cult first. protestants don't recognize the catholics as a true church. i'm sure these people call themselves a church.
There's a difference between being a church and being a religion. If they want to call themselves a religion, I really don't care, but they do not reflect the teachings of Jesus. They condemn others and teach hatred rather than peace and love of their neighbor.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 01:20:57 PMthey're actually good christians following god's law stating that homos must die for being made in god's image and being born gay. it says to kill them in the bible.
Jesus' teachings are very different from those of the Old Testament though. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
jmv is there ever a chance of you being a christian again y/n
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 30, 2009, 05:05:09 PM
jmv is there ever a chance of you being a christian again y/n
what the hell kind of question is that
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 30, 2009, 04:59:42 PMps Guff is Great!
Guff Akbar!
oh hey look ypr ruined the thread again. oh well it was good while it lasted.
Quote from: YPR on March 30, 2009, 05:04:06 PM
For being immoral and for disbelief.
isn't that just selfish and isn't pride and wrath deadly sinz
QuoteDoes that make it right for fathers to eat their children or women to decapitate their mates?
can you name a social species that does that. dolphins are social species and fuck4fun.
can you name any other primates that behead or cannibalize their young.
QuoteThere's a difference between being a church and being a religion. If they want to call themselves a religion, I really don't care, but they do not reflect the teachings of Jesus. They condemn others and teach hatred rather than peace and love of their neighbor.
how are they not a church.
Quote
Jesus' teachings are very different from those of the Old Testament though. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
so why do we still use the old testament and why is the catholic church still against homosex
Quote from: Slim on March 30, 2009, 05:06:14 PM
Guff Akbar!
oh hey look ypr ruined the thread again. oh well it was good while it lasted.
Well pardon me for being on topic akudood;
Actually I have no idea how this even relates to abortion, so I guess we should just resume guff discussion
Okay, so I've had a crush on Guff for years now, but I'm too shy to tell him. What should I do?
akudood;
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 30, 2009, 05:05:09 PMy/n
lmao
Also, a Christian? No.
Prophets, God incarnate, divine intervention? No.
Myths of creation, a savior, virgin birth, etc all borrowed from previous religions? No.
I can say with complete certainty that the Abrahamic god does not exist.
Could there be a nonpersonal, non-intervening god that set off the big bang? I doubt it but I'm open to the possibility if any actual evidence arises.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 05:10:12 PM
isn't that just selfish and isn't pride and wrath deadly sinz
I don't understand how that relates, but I don't know how serious you are with that cute little z hanging on there
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 05:10:12 PM
can you name a social species that does that. dolphins are social species and fuck4fun.
can you name any other primates that behead or cannibalize their young.
Baboons also kill their young and occasionally eat them. Silverbacks kill their young.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 05:10:12 PM
how are they not a church.
Because they disregard Jesus' teachings. I'm pretty sure they're casting stones.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 05:10:12 PM
so why do we still use the old testament and why is the catholic church still against homosex
I think some of it is considered more of a history of Christianity's roots than actual accepted modern doctrine. The Catholic church is against masturbation in general, they're against many forms of sex. Basically anything outside of the vagina is an offense, heterosexual or not.
I think there should be a Vatican III honestly... too bad Pope John Paul the II is gone.
Quote from: Slim on March 30, 2009, 05:13:39 PM
Okay, so I've had a crush on Guff for years now, but I'm too shy to tell him. What should I do?
akudood;
Well the big dance is coming up, you could ask him to that and if you guys have a good time, let him know how you feel hocuspocus;
Quote from: YPR on March 30, 2009, 05:19:31 PM
I don't understand how that relates, but I don't know how serious you are with that cute little z hanging on there
you catch on quick. the deadly sin thing isn't really valid since one of the popes just made it up.
Quote
Baboons also kill their young and occasionally eat them. Silverbacks kill their young.
and they are shunned by the other munkies are they not. akudood;
QuoteBecause they disregard Jesus' teachings. I'm pretty sure they're casting stones.
they're still a church. they're just idiots. like jehovah's witnesses
QuoteI think some of it is considered more of a history of Christianity's roots than actual accepted modern doctrine. The Catholic church is against masturbation in general, they're against many forms of sex. Basically anything outside of the vagina is an offense, heterosexual or not.
They're also against homosexuality itself. So just by being attracted to a man they find to be a sin.
QuoteI think there should be a Vatican III honestly... too bad Pope John Paul the II is gone.
we should clone him he liked pokemon and evolution
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
They're also against homosexuality itself. So just by being attracted to a man they find to be a sin.
Huh, I just go by what my priest told me, I don't know what to tell you.
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
and they are shunned by the other munkies are they not. akudood;
probably the first of the 99 monkeys to fall off the bed, yeah
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
we should clone him he liked pokemon and evolution
Yes, I miss him saddood;
Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
and they are shunned by the other munkies are they not. akudood;
that is primarily because of their butts
I find it more logical to believe in a God than the idea that everything just suddenly happened out of nothing on its own. doodhuh;
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