I can apparently write somewhat well but that's it. befuddlement
How about you guys?
Same, I can write (or so I'm told)... but that's about it. befuddlement
I can press a button three times in a second
I was recruited to play baseball at the collegiate level (St. John's University, Division 1A, Big East Conference) but ultimately turned it down because I decided that isn't what I wanted to do with my life.
i can make waffles
I can play guitar.
I can write.
Quote from: Paul on August 10, 2008, 10:30:39 PM
I can play guitar.
I can play guitar if sucking tremendously but still trying counts. doodella;
Uh yeah. I'm pretty athletic and competitive, I'm great at writing, I can juggle, I'm amazing at ping pong, and I'm pretty good with geography.
Quote from: Kazmuffin on August 10, 2008, 10:31:43 PM
I can play guitar if sucking tremendously but still trying counts. doodella;
I'm awesome at it.
i am great at luffing clucky baddood;
i am good at problem solving and things involving strategy
Quote from: Kazmuffin on August 10, 2008, 10:31:43 PM
I can play guitar if sucking tremendously but still trying counts. doodella;
this
Quote from: Kazmuffin on August 10, 2008, 10:35:03 PM
I envy you. :'(
It's not hard once you get the hang of it. I'm also working on drums (I'm decent)
and I'm also good and engineering.
I can screw things up pretty fast in any thing I try. baddood;
i can make myself cry
Quote from: steal on August 10, 2008, 10:42:55 PM
i'm pretty bad at guitar
I can do a pretty good Painkiller-status Rob Halford screech but that's pretty much the only vocal style I can do really successfully... but it sounds fucking awesome.
other than that, I HAVE NO TALENT
drag queening
I can play bass and drums and guitar and stuff.
Quote from: steal on August 10, 2008, 10:42:55 PM
I can do a pretty good Painkiller-status Rob Halford screech but that's pretty much the only vocal style I can do really successfully... but it sounds fucking awesome.
I can do a passable King Diamond impression.
Quote from: Clucky on August 10, 2008, 10:42:19 PM
he hasn't cried in like a week :0
what no like since july 15th or so idk.
I'm moderately good at tennis, swimming, and snowboarding, and I always do good on essays and stuff like that, so i guess writing, as well.
I do not.
Quote from: Davie on August 10, 2008, 10:50:17 PM
I always do good on essays and stuff like that, so i guess writing, as well.
Hmmmmmm...
...No. Seriously. :(
im really really really good at masturbating
Quote from: reefer on August 10, 2008, 11:21:29 PM
im really really really good at masturbating
i bet your parents are proud
Quote from: reefer on August 10, 2008, 11:25:11 PM
yeah, they are
so uhwhat exactly makes you good at masturbating befuddlement
Quote from: Houdini on August 10, 2008, 11:26:22 PM
so uhwhat exactly makes you good at masturbating befuddlement
want me to teach you?
come to my house, tomorrow at sun down
Quote from: reefer on August 10, 2008, 11:30:10 PM
want me to teach you?
come to my house, tomorrow at sun down
are you going to teach me penis kung fu
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 10, 2008, 11:51:38 PM
I gather a large majority of Boyah is "good at writing"
It's like saying someone has pretty eyes.
i play the piano pretty well and i am decent at bass but i'm still new at that
also i watched every bruce lee movie like 10 times so im pretty much a martial arts expert
nope O_0
I have a very wide vocal range (in singing)
I can cook and bake reasonably well
I'm fairly athletic and if one can be good at biking I would say I am pretty good.
I'm a pretty good seamstress.
i run track ok
got a few first places in races here and there but i'm nothing special
...yet
london 2012 here i go idort
lol probably not but i still want to try
oh accounting too
i won awards for it and was the best student in the state
fuck yeah
NONE.
i am completely useless.
oh and meowing right ProtectedMember32
i'm also amazing at math and science
i won a fancy math award this year
got 100% two quarters in a row in bio
and i won author of the month once
and i can play trombone but probably won't this year wry
Sing
Draw
Maybe Writing.
btw... come to my show in austin at stubbs on september 2nd. ok? doodella;
i lieks skateboardins
Quote from: Thief888 on August 11, 2008, 08:46:00 AM
How is a field of study a skill/talent?
I guess it was a mistake, I'll edit it out.
Quote from: Nurse ProtectedMember32 on August 11, 2008, 08:45:04 AM
btw... come to my show in austin at stubbs on september 2nd. ok? doodella;
That sounds a bit too early to notice him, since it's about twenty three days before your show starts.
Quote from: Original_MIB on August 11, 2008, 08:57:15 AM
That sounds a bit too early to notice him, since it's about twenty three days before your show starts.
you have to book early... or else you get put off like we did. :(
Why yes, several.
...doesn't involve computers?
baddood;
Well, I'm very good at being an asshole and hating people and things irrationally.
Quote from: Bassir on August 11, 2008, 09:18:59 AM
...doesn't involve computers?
Yes. You know, things that might actually offer social interaction.
I can act, sketch (not well, but I can) and write.
i can draw
I used to be a pretty good dancer.
I really don't think I have any skill/talent... :(
Quote from: Akiba on August 11, 2008, 09:43:07 AM
I really don't think I have any skill/talent... :(
Yes you do...
[spoiler]...you know how to make me smile. yes;[/spoiler]
I'm very creative when it comes to story/film/even drawing ideas.
The problem is I suck at writing, filming, and drawing befuddlement
Quote from: Selkie224 on August 11, 2008, 09:44:59 AM
I'm very creative when it comes to story/film/even drawing ideas.
The problem is I suck at writing, filming, and drawing befuddlement
Well, it seems you're a concept person. Nothing wrong with that. <3
yeah lol
youtube.com/lfctwentytwo
errrm write my own songs lmfao thats it
muse-unintended is beautiful
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 10:45:11 AM
I would like everyone to submit a "good writing" sample
Fuck no. I'll never post any of my writing on Boyah because I know everyone would automatically hate it just because it's poetry.
Quote from: Kazmuffin on August 11, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
Fuck no. I'll never post any of my writing on Boyah because I know everyone would automatically hate it just because it's poetry.
:( but but
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 10:48:59 AM
well maybe it sucks befuddlement
Some people seem to enjoy it. My writing professors wanted me in the school anthology so I guess they like it.
And I know Chelsea likes it. That's good enough for me and I really don't care what anyone on Boyah thinks.
Quote from: Kazmuffin on August 11, 2008, 10:50:46 AM
Some people seem to enjoy it. My writing professors wanted me in the school anthology so I guess they like it.
And I know Chelsea likes it. That's good enough for me and I really don't care what anyone on Boyah thinks.
giggle;...wub;
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 10:45:11 AM
I would like everyone to submit a "good writing" sample
QuoteJames Valente
English IV Honors
The Kite Runner: Essay Test
Literature often uses a dominant theme to convey a message that is, usually, important to the author. A recurring motif in Khaled Hosseini's novel The Kite Runner involves the relationships of fathers and sons. There are many examples throughout the novel, but three stand out the most; Amir and Baba's relationship, Hassan and Ali's relationship, and Hassan and Baba's relationship are the best examples provided.
Although there were times that Amir felt that his father, Baba, hated him, the fact that Amir loved Baba and Baba loved Amir remained true.. Amir was interested in reading and writing whereas, father, Baba, loved sports. Amir wanted to believe in Allah, Baba was not religious. These differences made it hard for Amir and Baba to get along. They could not find much which they were both interested in. Amir tried playing soccer but he didn't like it. He tried watching soccer, this too was something which he could care less about. Amir struggled to gain his father's affection. There was one thing that allowed this, kite flying. Amir was a great kite flier, Baba was proud of him for this. When around family and friends Baba would brag about Amir winning the tournament. That was the year he threw Amir his biggest birthday. When they moved to the United States Baba worked at a gas station, something he hated but continued doing to support Amir. He worked hard and when Amir graduated from high school he bought him a car. He helped Amir with college. Baba even worked with Amir at flea markets. Amir was getting the attention and love that he always wanted. Baba's final act was arranging a marriage for Amir.
The relationship between Hassan and Ali was, in its part, a great relationship. Hassan never felt neglected by his father. He always knew Ali loved him. Hassan and Ali were poor but they did not let it bother them. They happily served Amir and Baba. After Hassan was raped by Assef Ali noticed a change in his behavior. He was concerned and asked Amir about it, who angrily replied that he did not know what was wrong. Ali was quick to defend his son. When Hassan admitted to taking Amir's money and watch Ali decided it was not wise, or safe for them to stay with Amir and Baba anymore, they had to leave. Another example of Ali's love for Hassan is his financing of plastic surgery to fix Hassan's cleft lip.
The relationship between Hassan and Baba is a particularly interesting one. Baba was Hassan's real father, but Hassan did not know about that. In fact, this detail was not revealed until late in the book. Baba was described as being torn between two sons, this is why he was so hard on Amir. Hassan and Baba had much more in common than Amir and Baba. Both were interested in sports. This allowed for a connection between Baba and Hassan that did not exist with Amir. The guilt that Baba felt from hiding who Hassan's true father really was also played a role. Baba would be sure to include Hassan in every activity that he did. This succeeded in making Amir jealous, although it was not Baba's intent.
The above three relationships are all different in the aspect of how father and son interact. Baba and Amir's relationship shows that although love may not always be evident it can still exist. Ali and Hassan's relationship is an example of a relationship in which a father loves his son so much that he puts his son's needs before his own. Indeed, the relationship between Baba and Hassan is a prime example of a love that must be suppressed to protect others. Ali and Baba were best friends, in fact, they were practically brothers. If Ali found out his wife cheated on him with Baba there would have been major issues. Baba decided it was best to keep this a secret from everyone, save for Rahim Khan, who reveals this to Amir years after both Hassan and Baba have died. At first Amir is upset, but he comes to terms with the fact that Hassan was his half brother and he goes to make things right. He adopts Hassan's son. He raised Sohrab with the love that he desired to receive from Baba. This is Hosseini's final example of a father son relationship. He combines the three relationships into one. Amir has the guilt,like Baba, about how he treated Hassan, he has Ali's selfless sacrifice to protect his child, and Baba's strict, yet caring fatherly love. Hosseini does a great job portraying the different types of father/son relationships.
i was drunk while i wrote it and i didn't actually read the book
soccer and surfing
i'm pretty good at paintball i guess
I can act
Kaz I'd actually be interested in reading something of yours, if you didn't mind
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 10:45:11 AM
I would like everyone to submit a "good writing" sample
In Jean Paul Sartreâ,,, play, No Exit, the major themes of the works, such as hell being other people, cowardice, hypocrisy, and vanity, are explored through the three main characters of Garcin, Inez, and Estelle. When each of the characters first enters into the Second Empire drawing-room, which is soon revealed to be a portion of hell, they anticipate some sort of torture, whether from hot lead and pincers or from a person they wronged in life. Their early sentiments quickly inject Sartreâ,,,s existentialism into the work, with each character hiding the real reason why they are there in the first place (Weightman 470). As the characters attempt to pry this knowledge from one another, they themselves become the instruments of torture so noticeably lacking from this hell. Some of the worst qualities of humanity are revealed to be the themes of the work, as Sartre methodically rips the notion of there being good in everyone to shreds. Instead, his characters are focused upon destroying each other by using their cellmatesâ,,, decisions in life against them. The drama eventually boils down to that fact that people are defined by the decisions they have made in life, and once dead, there is no hope for change. Estelle, Garcin, and Inez, who damned themselves through their selfish mortal lives, essentially become the demons of hell as their human restraints fade with the passage of time and they can no longer restrain their brutish and savage inner thoughts about their roommates. The loss of societyâ,,,s restraints upon their thoughts unleashes the aforementioned characteristics of cowardice, hypocrisy, and vanity to create a hell that exists solely through the consent of its residents.
The first character to be introduced into No Exit, Garcin, is also the character who eventually climaxes the play when he realizes that â,"hell is other people.â, As the first person to be assigned to the room, Garcin is used by Sartre to describe the setting as well as to displace the common conceptions people have about hell. Garcin expects hell to be a place of torture and physical pain, but the Valet, who leads each of the characters into the room, points out that instead, hell decreases human dignity over time. Once Garcin is assured that there will be no physical pain, he instead complains of a lack of a toothbrush, much to the amusement of the Valet, who responds:
â,"[. . .] So you havenâ,,,t gotten over your â,“ what-do-you-call-it? â,“ sense of human dignity? Excuse me smiling [. . .] But all our guests ask the same questions [. . .] Whereâ,,,s the torture chamber? Thatâ,,,s the first thing they ask; all of them. They donâ,,,t bother their heads about the bathroom requisites, that I can assure you. But after a bit, when theyâ,,,ve gotten their nerve back, they start in about their toothbrushes and what-not. Good heavens, Mr. Garcin, canâ,,,t you use your brains? What, I ask you, would be the point of brushing your teeth?â, (Sartre 4)
This theme of the decline of human dignity continues on through the story, and is most obvious when each of the characters first meet. Despite knowing that hell is a place for wretched people, they still feel the need to save face and lie about why they are there, feigning ignorance to whatever landed them there. Garcin, for example, declares himself a hero for standing up for his principles by dodging the draft, when in reality he was a coward who also beat and cheated on his wife (Parsell 2926). After they discover these dark secrets about one another, they further their loss of humanity by exploiting these weaknesses in character to essentially torture the other characters in a most inhumane manner.
Although the Valet claims that there are no instruments of torture in hell, these mind games the characters play with each other prove to be just as excruciating. Early on, Garcin recognizes that this senseless bickering and arguing will only lead to their ruin: â,"Weâ,,,re chasing each other, round and round in a vicious circle, like the horses on a roundabout [. . .]. Open your hands and let go of everything. Or else youâ,,,ll bring disaster on all three of usâ, (31). Much like physical torture, there is no reprieve, as the characters cannot even blink, let alone sleep. The weak point for Garcin is his cowardice, and the idea of being remembered as such a coward haunts him. He pleads with Estelle to let him know he is not a coward, but while she stalls, Inez continues to point out what a coward he truly is. Although initially he is more concerned with the thoughts of his peers back on earth, once they forget him, he feels he must rely on his two roommates to preserve his memory, as they are the only witnesses to his existence (Weightman 471). As they are the only keepers of his memory, it causes Garcin much grief to know that both think of him as a coward, so he feels compelled to convince them otherwise. This is why, when the door to the room finally opens to his shrieks of rage, he finds that he cannot leave, no matter how much he may like to. He tells Inez, â,"So itâ,,,s you whom I have to convince; you are of my kind. Did you suppose that I meant to go? No, I couldnâ,,,t leave you here, gloating over my defeat, with all those thoughts about me running in your head. (44)â, He remains unconvinced that he is at fault, and must persuade Inez that she is the one with the flawed conception of reality. Critic David Parsell effectively summarizes both this fault in Garcinâ,,,s character as well as Sartreâ,,,s vision of hell by saying:
Here, unbound by the constraints of established legend, Sartre exercised his own personal freedom to bring forth an utterly human impersonal hell for which physical death is no pre-requisite. Although supposedly dead and hence incapable of changing the sum of their lives, the womanizer, the lesbian, and the nymphomaniac who find themselves uneasily together in the eternal torture of inter-dependence merely replicate the suffering endured, through implied consent, by those who consistently refuse to alter or even question their daily approach to life (Parsell 2925).
This refusal of Garcin to just let it go and accept his fate to be a coward is the root of most of his problems in hell. If he simply admits defeat to Inez, there is no more leverage above him, and his soul is free of her influence. Yet since he continues to clash with her, he is playing the devilâ,,,s game, and allowing his own foolish pride to prevent him from resting in piece.
Inez, the second character to come into hell, makes a rather ironic entrance by assuming Garcin to be her torturer, while in reality, the reverse is true. She foreshadows that she will indeed be his torturer soon after meeting Garcin:
GARCIN. [â,¦] do you really think I look like a torturer? And
by the way, how does one recognize torturers when one sees them? Evidently,
youâ,,,ve got ideas on the subject.
INEZ. They look frightened.
GARCIN. Frightened! But how ridiculous! Of whom should they be frightened?
Of their victims?
INEZ. Laugh away, but I know what Iâ,,,m talking about. Iâ,,,ve often watched my
face in the glass. (8-9)
Perhaps the reason for Inezâ,,, fear, as well as the fear she sees concealed in Garcinâ,,,s face is caused by the fact that the outer appearance of both is a lie. Their hypocritical lives have been built to hide their cowardice, which both hold as their greatest shame. Garcin notices this similarity towards the end of the drama, saying, â,"There were days when you peered into yourself, into the secret places of your heart, and what you saw there made you faint with horror. [â,¦] Yes, you know what evil costs. And when you say Iâ,,,m a coward, you know from experience what that means. (43)â, While Garcin merely feared dying, Inezâ,,, cowardice is more of a psychological matter. Being a lesbian, she would be thought of as a damned woman and a home wrecker while living. Inez despises these limitations and labels placed upon her by society, but ends up living down to their expectations (Parsell 2926-7). During her life, she breaks up Florenceâ,,,s marriage, which eventually results in the death of the husband, Florence, and Inez herself. Ironically, Inezâ,,, actions leave two women and one man dead, the same ratio of sexes contained within the drawing-room. This foreshadows Inezâ,,, torturous verbal attacks on her roommates, as her cruelty is what essentially causes the situation to become hell, just as her actions on earth destroyed the lives of herself and two others.
Feeding into Sartreâ,,,s theory that hell is other people, Inez claims that she needs to cause pain in order to live. â,"When I say Iâ,,,m cruel, I mean I canâ,,,t get on without making people suffer. Like a live coal. A live coal in othersâ,,, hearts. When Iâ,,,m alone I flicker out. (27)â, When Garcin says he is cruel, presumably for the abuse he put his wife through, Inez denies it, saying he is not in comparison with herself (27). She goes on to demonstrate her point, driving Garcin to the brink of madness and causing Estelle to detest her. To torture Garcin is rather easy for Inez. Being a coward herself, she can easily pick at what will hurt his pride most (38). Inez does not wish to harm Estelle initially, but eventually does when Estelle rejects her advances. She is able to accomplish this by attacking Estelleâ,,,s innermost secret and insecurity, as Inez had done to Garcin, which is committing infanticide (29). Of the three characters, she is the most skilled at torturing the other two, which is probably because she is the most honest with herself. The others delude themselves into thinking they are good people, while Inez accepts her rottenness, and has no qualms with sharing her misery.
The fact that Inez recognizes that whether dead or alive, she is the same, creates an important part of Sartreâ,,,s message (Parsell 2926). Hell is not only for the physically dead, but for the psychologically dead as well. Death to Sartre means an end to change. In his existentialist views, once a life is complete, that person is completely defined by what they were, and the possibility for a transformation is destroyed. Inez explains, â,"One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet oneâ,,,s whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are â,“ your life, and nothing else. (45)â, All three characters show this theory to be true, with Inez remaining a torturer, Garcin convinced he is not a coward, and Estelle continues to elude any responsibility for her actions. While some may see death as a reason to change before the inevitable end, all three characters are too set in their ways to care. This again plays right into Sartreâ,,,s existentialist roots, with the evil receiving their dues (Weightman 470).
The final character introduced into the drama, is Estelle, a cold, vain, member of the bourgeois. Estelle is unique from the other two characters in that she does not, or pretends not to, know why she is in hell. â,"I havenâ,,,t a notion [why sheâ,,,s there], not the foggiest. In fact, Iâ,,,m wondering if there hasnâ,,,t been some ghastly mistake. (16)â, It quickly becomes apparent that this is most likely a ruse, as Estelle represents the fullest extent of human vanity. Born poor, she marries not for love but for money, and grows spoiled as a trophy wife. Knowing this is not a damnable offense, Inez and Garcin prod at Estelle to discover her true reason for being assigned to hell. After feigning ignorance twice more and hearing both Garcinâ,,,s and Inezâ,,, offenses, she is finally coerced into revealing her wretched secret (24). During her marriage, she fell in love with a poor man and ended up pregnant with his child. After the baby was born, Estelle killed it in cold blood without a care for the baby or her lover, who committed suicide afterwards (Parsell 2926-7). She performed this monstrous act just to preserve her reputation among her wealthy friends, as mothering the son of a poor man would disgrace her and ruin her marriage, leaving her poor once again (28). Obviously, Estelle is incredibly selfish and represents some of the worst human characteristics.
This focus upon getting what she desires forms the relationships she has with Garcin and Inez. With Garcin being the only man available, she lustfully desires to be with him, especially after seeing a former love of hers dancing with her rival back on Earth (34). With the lack of mirrors in hell, she needs a man to confirm her beauty, and so she flirts with Garcin, although he is mostly unaffected by her except when using it against Inez (Brosman 76). This is the only real power either Garcin or Estelle hold over Inez, as Inez desires Estelle, and to see her with a man disgusts Inez (35). â,"Thatâ,,,s right, fawn on him, like the silly bitch you are. Grovel and cringe! And he hasnâ,,,t even good looks to commend him!â, says Inez partially out of envy, while realizing the absurdity of Estelleâ,,,s choice. Estelle seeks revenge upon Inez for forcing her to reveal her shameful secret, and this only further fuels her efforts to be with Garcin. Unfortunately for Estelle, he is more concerned with his affairs back on Earth and earning Inezâ,,, approval than a sexual fling.
Finally, Estelle is not exempt from the theme of cowardice, despite her one-dimensional vanity. After telling of how she had killed her baby in such a ruthless manner, she bursts into tears, crying out that she is â,"a coward. A coward! (29)â, Furthermore, not only is she initially in denial about being assigned to hell, but is also adverse to the idea of being dead as well, preferring to be called an â,"absentee (12).â, It could be inferred that she is an opponent to Sartreâ,,,s existentialism, as she does not seem to be willing to accept responsibility for her actions or believe that her actions carry any responsibility to begin with. In the end, she finally sees the light, realizing at last what the consequences for her conduct are (Weightman 471). After attempting to kill Inez with the letter-opener, Estelle realizes and accepts they really are all dead as well as damned, and that there is no escape from their perpetual situation (47).
In conclusion, the three characters manage to create a hell out of a typical, everyday setting through their loss of human dignity and restraint, which leads to the exposure of the uglier side of human emotion. Each character is revealed to be a coward, refusing to accept him or herself, and instead conforming to what society wants them to be. They are hypocritical in trying to show themselves as better than their fellow roommates, yet all being equally damned. Garcin and Estelleâ,,,s vanity leads them to think they are actually moral and decent citizens, when really they are both despicable and deserving of their fate. The fact that the only elements in the room are time and people has led Sartre to conclude that â,"hell is other people,â, and through his examples, it is not hard to agree with the sentiment. Without society to make sure they behave, the characters resort to almost childlike bickering over trivial details, when they should just take an existentialistâ,,,s view and accept the consequences for their actions. Their present is not a mistake as Estelle initially thought, but the perfect punishment for their conduct in life.
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 10:45:11 AM
I would like everyone to submit a "good writing" sample
n befuddlement
i have one quirky poem but i don't like how the first few lines go but the teachers say it's amazing :(
No one wants to read my term paper? baddood;
I'm on drumline.
Quote from: Silent Rob on August 11, 2008, 04:06:16 PM
I'm on drumline.
...he said talent. doodthing;
also i can write very well, too. ^__________________^ and act and sing and read music. and play tennis. :]
Being wealthy
I really don't think I have any skills or talents, even on the computer or at playing video games.
Quote from: Kefka on August 11, 2008, 04:43:17 PM
Being wealthy
dp, you're silly. giggle;
Quote from: ME86 on August 11, 2008, 04:45:45 PM
I really don't think I have any skills or talents, even on the computer or at playing video games.
dp, you're silly. giggle;
husking
Quote from: AlienJMV290 on August 11, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
Sorry but need some draing lessons. baddood;
I told you I was out of it before I drew it, but I want to see your drawings, too.
I just need some lessons about making a body and some good supplies.
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 11, 2008, 04:36:28 PM
...he said talent. doodthing;
also i can write very well, too. ^__________________^ and act and sing and read music. and play tennis. :]
Dude. You couldn't even make cymbal in the pit.
Quote from: Selkie224 on August 11, 2008, 09:44:59 AM
I'm very creative when it comes to story/film/even drawing ideas.
The problem is I suck at writing, filming, and drawing befuddlement
Does playing guitar not count as a skill/talent for you? doodthing;
Quote from: Silent Rob on August 11, 2008, 05:30:33 PM
Dude. You couldn't even make cymbal in the pit.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I love how you keep making these posts about how you think you know my musical talent. Kevin, you crack me up. ^______________________^ Please, respond to this so I can laugh some more.
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 11, 2008, 05:49:05 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I love how you keep making these posts about how you think you know my musical talent. Kevin, you crack me up. ^______________________^ Please, respond to this so I can laugh some more.
Show me that you have half as much skill as anybody on your drumline.
Quote from: Silent Rob on August 11, 2008, 06:00:10 PM
Show me that you have half as much skill as anybody on your drumline.
I'm not in fucking marching band you fag, it's for losers like you. Did I ever say that I'm currently in band?
Kevin, show us pictures of you in your adorable marching band hat. I bet you look really cute. ^______________^
hey guys
I can play drums too :O
Quote from: Paul on August 11, 2008, 06:07:53 PM
Let's have a drum off.
Yeah. I bet everyone would kick Kevin's ass. :]
Who's Kevin?
i can play a mean trombone baddood;
Quote from: TECTRON on August 11, 2008, 06:12:13 PM
i can play a mean trombone baddood;
i'm sorry that it's mean to you. you should try finding a nicer trombone. ^__________^
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 10:45:11 AM
I would like everyone to submit a "good writing" sample
I wrote a fanfiction about sheik once. O_0
I'd post it, but I think it's lost in the abyss of the internet somewhere now. It was decent for a 8th graders work, I'd think. I'm actually prtty highly regarded for my writing in school, I was given a lovely award (i.e. a shiny piece of paper) for being the best english student in my grade. I actually really enjoy writing poetry and short stories. I'm just way too impatient to write anything longer than that.
As for drums, I played a set for thre years and then my aunt stole my set and so I haven't touched one for two years. Unless rock band counts.
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 11, 2008, 06:02:31 PM
I'm not in fucking marching band you fag, it's for losers like you. Did I ever say that I'm currently in band?
Kevin, show us pictures of you in your adorable marching band hat. I bet you look really cute. ^______________^
Marching band is for fags? I guess that's what it takes to be fucking good. Drumline has helped me with every aspect of percussion.
No. Yet you claim to have some sort of musical talent. I'm guessing you're some poser who's trying to learn guitar. I would, but we're not wearing shakos. I'll be sure to smile when I post a video of me wiping your ass all over the floor during the show.
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 06:03:47 PM
I bet houdini and I are better than all of you "drumline" people
I lol'd. No.
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 11, 2008, 06:08:36 PM
Yeah. I bet everyone would kick Kevin's ass. :]
Dude. I could kick your ass with one fucking hand.
Quote from: Silent Rob on August 11, 2008, 06:32:22 PM
Marching band is for fags? I guess that's what it takes to be fucking good. Drumline has helped me with every aspect of percussion.
No. Yet you claim to have some sort of musical talent. I'm guessing you're some poser who's trying to learn guitar. I would, but we're not wearing shakos. I'll be sure to smile when I post a video of me wiping your ass all over the floor during the show.
Wow, you are such a loser, you have the stupidest retorts I've ever seen. I'm in the highest women's chorus at my school for your information. You see, I can take my musical talent wherever I go, while you would look even more of a loser if you did. Oh, not to mention I've been playing the flute for five years. ^________________^
And you would wipe my ass for me? What the fuck? O_0
And also, my school's drumline has a world record.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bel0i5bI2Lw[/youtube]
Hm, what about yours?
Quote from: Silent Rob on August 11, 2008, 06:37:01 PM
Dude. I could kick your ass with one fucking hand.
Hm, you suck AGAIN Kevin, because you can't kick with your hand(s). Sorry. :(
Shut up. Arguing over talents you can't even see? How retarded are you guys?
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 11, 2008, 06:40:45 PM
Wow, you are such a loser, you have the stupidest retorts I've ever seen. I'm in the highest women's chorus at my school for your information. You see, I can take my musical talent wherever I go, while you would look even more of a loser if you did. Oh, not to mention I've been playing the flute for five years.
Trying to be multi talented? I play Trombone, Euphonium, Tuba, Baritone, and Piano. not to mention snare, drumset and class percussion.
^________________^
Chorus doesn't take half as much skill.
And you would wipe my ass for me? What the fuck? O_0
I'd show you how much you actually do suck.
And also, my school's drumline has a world record.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bel0i5bI2Lw[/youtube]
Oh god. a Drumroll? I admit, 24 hours is a long time. But keeping a drumroll does not equal skill in any way.
Hm, what about yours?
We came in first or second in our past 8 competitions and we made it to the georgia dome for a competition 7 years ago.
Hm, you suck AGAIN Kevin, because you can't kick with your hand(s). Sorry. :(
Trying to use your shitty sarcastic comments to avert my point doesn't make you right.
fucking retard.
Quote from: Kazmuffin on August 11, 2008, 06:42:08 PM
Shut up. Arguing over talents you can't even see? How retarded are you guys?
Didn't you hear? Drumline is for "pussies who can't drum."
Lawl, chorus doesn't take as much skill, hahahahahahahahaha. Show me a video of you singing then. ^_________________^
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 11, 2008, 06:46:57 PM
Lawl, chorus doesn't take as much skill, hahahahahahahahaha. Show me a video of you singing then. ^_________________^
Show me a video of you playing snare drum.
show me a video of det balancing a tablespoon on the tip of her nose
Quote from: Silent Rob on August 11, 2008, 06:48:49 PM
Show me a video of you playing snare drum.
i knew you couldn't be original. :(
Quote from: Cammykins on August 11, 2008, 06:49:36 PM
show me a video of det balancing a tablespoon on the tip of her nose
what am i, a vampire? ^__________^
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 11, 2008, 06:40:45 PM
I'm in the highest women's chorus at my school for your information. You see, I can take my musical talent wherever I go, while you would look even more of a loser if you did.
Oh god, me too. befuddlement I forgot I could sing.
I've sung in Carnegie Hall, St. patrick's Cathedral, St. Michael's Cathedral, Woolsey hall, and a good handfull of other very prestigious places. I actually have CD's from my school, if anyone wishes to hear our work; we're pretty good. O_0 We're good enough that our gigs actually make cash for the students. I made about $600 last year, though all the funds went to my Ireland trip.
Also, I forgot to add before, I'm a pretty amazing dancer when I want to be. Which is almost never. I only really like dancing to heavy raving music. But I'm oretty good as far as short white girls dancing go.
Quote from: Silent Rob on August 11, 2008, 06:46:24 PM
Didn't you hear? Drumline is for "pussies who can't drum."
Just drop it and quit giving Det a reason to give you a hard time. You're just falling for the bait. doodthing;
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 11, 2008, 06:50:34 PM
i knew you couldn't be original. :(
I knew you couldn't live up to your own standards.
Quote from: Kazmuffin on August 11, 2008, 06:52:52 PM
Just drop it and quit giving Det a reason to give you a hard time. You're just falling for the bait. doodthing;
fine.
Quote from: Samwise Gamgee on August 11, 2008, 06:51:21 PM
Oh god, me too. befuddlement I forgot I could sing.
I've sung in Carnegie Hall, St. patrick's Cathedral, St. Michael's Cathedral, Woolsey hall, and a good handfull of other very prestigious places. I actually have CD's from my school, if anyone wishes to hear our work; we're pretty good. O_0 We're good enough that our gigs actually make cash for the students. I made about $600 last year, though all the funds went to my Ireland trip.
Also, I forgot to add before, I'm a pretty amazing dancer when I want to be. Which is almost never. I only really like dancing to heavy raving music. But I'm oretty good as far as short white girls dancing go.
My director from last year (he retired after this past year) has won three world titles as a choir director, and my choir just went to Italy to sing for the Pope by personal invitation from him. ^_______________^
Quote from: Silent Rob on August 11, 2008, 06:53:01 PM
I knew you couldn't live up to your own standards.
i can't live up to my own standards? what are my standards kevin? and why the hell do you claim you know me so well?
you don't know shit about me. and shut the fuck up, like kaz said. :]
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 11, 2008, 06:55:12 PM
My director from last year (he retired after this past year) has won three world titles as a choir director, and my choir just went to Italy to sing for the Pope by personal invitation from him. ^_______________^
My choir sang for the last pope, who was better in everyway imaginable. ^______________^
they were actually in italy and didn't even plan to see the pope, but the pope asked them to perform at that sunday mass upon meeting my director.
My director hasn't won all too much, but she deserves way way way more. Except I think she is a little greedy.
By the way, no offense, but your signature bugs me because I can't stand Wicked. >.> I've never seen it, nor do I plan to, but the music pisses me off beyond compare.
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 11, 2008, 06:55:12 PM
i can't live up to my own standards? what are my standards kevin? and why the hell do you claim you know me so well?
you don't know shit about me. and shut the fuck up, like kaz said. :]
Because I'm the only one to have done that? You're a fucking retard.
Quote from: Silent Rob on August 11, 2008, 07:00:45 PM
Because I'm the only one to have done that? You're a fucking retard.
you're the what? WHY CAN YOU NEVER MAKE FUCKING SENSE WHEN YOU TYPE? are you special ed or what? like honestly what grade are you in? i was a sophomore when i was fourteen and i could type a shitload better than you.
Mippo, you're making yourself look like more and more of a dumbass by continuing.
she won get over it now shut up
Quote from: Sean on August 11, 2008, 07:05:57 PM
I was in 8th grade when I was 14 :)
i turned 13 eighth grade. :]
My handwriting is beautiful. I'm quite athletic and am really good at football and basketball.
Det can add being a bitch to hers, I guess
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 10:45:11 AM
I would like everyone to submit a "good writing" sample
Sorry, but my scripts and personal essays are private.
Quote from: Thief888 on August 11, 2008, 05:45:37 PM
Does playing guitar not count as a skill/talent for you? doodthing;
whoops forgot that n_u
Oh and I play trombone.
Hmm, I'm good at lying to people, pretending to listen to people, pretending to be empathetic with people, pretending to care for people, and that's about it.
Oh I can play a little piano, and draw a bit, but it takes me hours to make something decent, something I don't have the patience for. I used to be good at archery, but I've stopped doing that for at least three years now, so I don't know. I can also solve simple math problems quickly and efficiently, thanks to Brain Age. <3
Quote from: Rycerz on August 11, 2008, 08:32:05 PM
Hmm, I'm good at lying to people, pretending to listen to people, pretending to emphasize with people, pretending to care for people, and that's about it.
I can do that really well, too! But I suppose it isn't too hard.
Quote from: Flying Circus on August 11, 2008, 11:54:49 AM
In Jean Paul Sartreâ,,, play, No Exit, the major themes of the works, such as hell being other people, cowardice, hypocrisy, and vanity, are explored through the three main characters of Garcin, Inez, and Estelle. When each of the characters first enters into the Second Empire drawing-room, which is soon revealed to be a portion of hell, they anticipate some sort of torture, whether from hot lead and pincers or from a person they wronged in life. Their early sentiments quickly inject Sartreâ,,,s existentialism into the work, with each character hiding the real reason why they are there in the first place (Weightman 470). As the characters attempt to pry this knowledge from one another, they themselves become the instruments of torture so noticeably lacking from this hell. Some of the worst qualities of humanity are revealed to be the themes of the work, as Sartre methodically rips the notion of there being good in everyone to shreds. Instead, his characters are focused upon destroying each other by using their cellmatesâ,,, decisions in life against them. The drama eventually boils down to that fact that people are defined by the decisions they have made in life, and once dead, there is no hope for change. Estelle, Garcin, and Inez, who damned themselves through their selfish mortal lives, essentially become the demons of hell as their human restraints fade with the passage of time and they can no longer restrain their brutish and savage inner thoughts about their roommates. The loss of societyâ,,,s restraints upon their thoughts unleashes the aforementioned characteristics of cowardice, hypocrisy, and vanity to create a hell that exists solely through the consent of its residents.
The first character to be introduced into No Exit, Garcin, is also the character who eventually climaxes the play when he realizes that â,"hell is other people.â, As the first person to be assigned to the room, Garcin is used by Sartre to describe the setting as well as to displace the common conceptions people have about hell. Garcin expects hell to be a place of torture and physical pain, but the Valet, who leads each of the characters into the room, points out that instead, hell decreases human dignity over time. Once Garcin is assured that there will be no physical pain, he instead complains of a lack of a toothbrush, much to the amusement of the Valet, who responds:
â,"[. . .] So you havenâ,,,t gotten over your â,“ what-do-you-call-it? â,“ sense of human dignity? Excuse me smiling [. . .] But all our guests ask the same questions [. . .] Whereâ,,,s the torture chamber? Thatâ,,,s the first thing they ask; all of them. They donâ,,,t bother their heads about the bathroom requisites, that I can assure you. But after a bit, when theyâ,,,ve gotten their nerve back, they start in about their toothbrushes and what-not. Good heavens, Mr. Garcin, canâ,,,t you use your brains? What, I ask you, would be the point of brushing your teeth?â, (Sartre 4)
This theme of the decline of human dignity continues on through the story, and is most obvious when each of the characters first meet. Despite knowing that hell is a place for wretched people, they still feel the need to save face and lie about why they are there, feigning ignorance to whatever landed them there. Garcin, for example, declares himself a hero for standing up for his principles by dodging the draft, when in reality he was a coward who also beat and cheated on his wife (Parsell 2926). After they discover these dark secrets about one another, they further their loss of humanity by exploiting these weaknesses in character to essentially torture the other characters in a most inhumane manner.
Although the Valet claims that there are no instruments of torture in hell, these mind games the characters play with each other prove to be just as excruciating. Early on, Garcin recognizes that this senseless bickering and arguing will only lead to their ruin: â,"Weâ,,,re chasing each other, round and round in a vicious circle, like the horses on a roundabout [. . .]. Open your hands and let go of everything. Or else youâ,,,ll bring disaster on all three of usâ, (31). Much like physical torture, there is no reprieve, as the characters cannot even blink, let alone sleep. The weak point for Garcin is his cowardice, and the idea of being remembered as such a coward haunts him. He pleads with Estelle to let him know he is not a coward, but while she stalls, Inez continues to point out what a coward he truly is. Although initially he is more concerned with the thoughts of his peers back on earth, once they forget him, he feels he must rely on his two roommates to preserve his memory, as they are the only witnesses to his existence (Weightman 471). As they are the only keepers of his memory, it causes Garcin much grief to know that both think of him as a coward, so he feels compelled to convince them otherwise. This is why, when the door to the room finally opens to his shrieks of rage, he finds that he cannot leave, no matter how much he may like to. He tells Inez, â,"So itâ,,,s you whom I have to convince; you are of my kind. Did you suppose that I meant to go? No, I couldnâ,,,t leave you here, gloating over my defeat, with all those thoughts about me running in your head. (44)â, He remains unconvinced that he is at fault, and must persuade Inez that she is the one with the flawed conception of reality. Critic David Parsell effectively summarizes both this fault in Garcinâ,,,s character as well as Sartreâ,,,s vision of hell by saying:
Here, unbound by the constraints of established legend, Sartre exercised his own personal freedom to bring forth an utterly human impersonal hell for which physical death is no pre-requisite. Although supposedly dead and hence incapable of changing the sum of their lives, the womanizer, the lesbian, and the nymphomaniac who find themselves uneasily together in the eternal torture of inter-dependence merely replicate the suffering endured, through implied consent, by those who consistently refuse to alter or even question their daily approach to life (Parsell 2925).
This refusal of Garcin to just let it go and accept his fate to be a coward is the root of most of his problems in hell. If he simply admits defeat to Inez, there is no more leverage above him, and his soul is free of her influence. Yet since he continues to clash with her, he is playing the devilâ,,,s game, and allowing his own foolish pride to prevent him from resting in piece.
Inez, the second character to come into hell, makes a rather ironic entrance by assuming Garcin to be her torturer, while in reality, the reverse is true. She foreshadows that she will indeed be his torturer soon after meeting Garcin:
GARCIN. [â,¦] do you really think I look like a torturer? And
by the way, how does one recognize torturers when one sees them? Evidently,
youâ,,,ve got ideas on the subject.
INEZ. They look frightened.
GARCIN. Frightened! But how ridiculous! Of whom should they be frightened?
Of their victims?
INEZ. Laugh away, but I know what Iâ,,,m talking about. Iâ,,,ve often watched my
face in the glass. (8-9)
Perhaps the reason for Inezâ,,, fear, as well as the fear she sees concealed in Garcinâ,,,s face is caused by the fact that the outer appearance of both is a lie. Their hypocritical lives have been built to hide their cowardice, which both hold as their greatest shame. Garcin notices this similarity towards the end of the drama, saying, â,"There were days when you peered into yourself, into the secret places of your heart, and what you saw there made you faint with horror. [â,¦] Yes, you know what evil costs. And when you say Iâ,,,m a coward, you know from experience what that means. (43)â, While Garcin merely feared dying, Inezâ,,, cowardice is more of a psychological matter. Being a lesbian, she would be thought of as a damned woman and a home wrecker while living. Inez despises these limitations and labels placed upon her by society, but ends up living down to their expectations (Parsell 2926-7). During her life, she breaks up Florenceâ,,,s marriage, which eventually results in the death of the husband, Florence, and Inez herself. Ironically, Inezâ,,, actions leave two women and one man dead, the same ratio of sexes contained within the drawing-room. This foreshadows Inezâ,,, torturous verbal attacks on her roommates, as her cruelty is what essentially causes the situation to become hell, just as her actions on earth destroyed the lives of herself and two others.
Feeding into Sartreâ,,,s theory that hell is other people, Inez claims that she needs to cause pain in order to live. â,"When I say Iâ,,,m cruel, I mean I canâ,,,t get on without making people suffer. Like a live coal. A live coal in othersâ,,, hearts. When Iâ,,,m alone I flicker out. (27)â, When Garcin says he is cruel, presumably for the abuse he put his wife through, Inez denies it, saying he is not in comparison with herself (27). She goes on to demonstrate her point, driving Garcin to the brink of madness and causing Estelle to detest her. To torture Garcin is rather easy for Inez. Being a coward herself, she can easily pick at what will hurt his pride most (38). Inez does not wish to harm Estelle initially, but eventually does when Estelle rejects her advances. She is able to accomplish this by attacking Estelleâ,,,s innermost secret and insecurity, as Inez had done to Garcin, which is committing infanticide (29). Of the three characters, she is the most skilled at torturing the other two, which is probably because she is the most honest with herself. The others delude themselves into thinking they are good people, while Inez accepts her rottenness, and has no qualms with sharing her misery.
The fact that Inez recognizes that whether dead or alive, she is the same, creates an important part of Sartreâ,,,s message (Parsell 2926). Hell is not only for the physically dead, but for the psychologically dead as well. Death to Sartre means an end to change. In his existentialist views, once a life is complete, that person is completely defined by what they were, and the possibility for a transformation is destroyed. Inez explains, â,"One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet oneâ,,,s whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are â,“ your life, and nothing else. (45)â, All three characters show this theory to be true, with Inez remaining a torturer, Garcin convinced he is not a coward, and Estelle continues to elude any responsibility for her actions. While some may see death as a reason to change before the inevitable end, all three characters are too set in their ways to care. This again plays right into Sartreâ,,,s existentialist roots, with the evil receiving their dues (Weightman 470).
The final character introduced into the drama, is Estelle, a cold, vain, member of the bourgeois. Estelle is unique from the other two characters in that she does not, or pretends not to, know why she is in hell. â,"I havenâ,,,t a notion [why sheâ,,,s there], not the foggiest. In fact, Iâ,,,m wondering if there hasnâ,,,t been some ghastly mistake. (16)â, It quickly becomes apparent that this is most likely a ruse, as Estelle represents the fullest extent of human vanity. Born poor, she marries not for love but for money, and grows spoiled as a trophy wife. Knowing this is not a damnable offense, Inez and Garcin prod at Estelle to discover her true reason for being assigned to hell. After feigning ignorance twice more and hearing both Garcinâ,,,s and Inezâ,,, offenses, she is finally coerced into revealing her wretched secret (24). During her marriage, she fell in love with a poor man and ended up pregnant with his child. After the baby was born, Estelle killed it in cold blood without a care for the baby or her lover, who committed suicide afterwards (Parsell 2926-7). She performed this monstrous act just to preserve her reputation among her wealthy friends, as mothering the son of a poor man would disgrace her and ruin her marriage, leaving her poor once again (28). Obviously, Estelle is incredibly selfish and represents some of the worst human characteristics.
This focus upon getting what she desires forms the relationships she has with Garcin and Inez. With Garcin being the only man available, she lustfully desires to be with him, especially after seeing a former love of hers dancing with her rival back on Earth (34). With the lack of mirrors in hell, she needs a man to confirm her beauty, and so she flirts with Garcin, although he is mostly unaffected by her except when using it against Inez (Brosman 76). This is the only real power either Garcin or Estelle hold over Inez, as Inez desires Estelle, and to see her with a man disgusts Inez (35). â,"Thatâ,,,s right, fawn on him, like the silly bitch you are. Grovel and cringe! And he hasnâ,,,t even good looks to commend him!â, says Inez partially out of envy, while realizing the absurdity of Estelleâ,,,s choice. Estelle seeks revenge upon Inez for forcing her to reveal her shameful secret, and this only further fuels her efforts to be with Garcin. Unfortunately for Estelle, he is more concerned with his affairs back on Earth and earning Inezâ,,, approval than a sexual fling.
Finally, Estelle is not exempt from the theme of cowardice, despite her one-dimensional vanity. After telling of how she had killed her baby in such a ruthless manner, she bursts into tears, crying out that she is â,"a coward. A coward! (29)â, Furthermore, not only is she initially in denial about being assigned to hell, but is also adverse to the idea of being dead as well, preferring to be called an â,"absentee (12).â, It could be inferred that she is an opponent to Sartreâ,,,s existentialism, as she does not seem to be willing to accept responsibility for her actions or believe that her actions carry any responsibility to begin with. In the end, she finally sees the light, realizing at last what the consequences for her conduct are (Weightman 471). After attempting to kill Inez with the letter-opener, Estelle realizes and accepts they really are all dead as well as damned, and that there is no escape from their perpetual situation (47).
In conclusion, the three characters manage to create a hell out of a typical, everyday setting through their loss of human dignity and restraint, which leads to the exposure of the uglier side of human emotion. Each character is revealed to be a coward, refusing to accept him or herself, and instead conforming to what society wants them to be. They are hypocritical in trying to show themselves as better than their fellow roommates, yet all being equally damned. Garcin and Estelleâ,,,s vanity leads them to think they are actually moral and decent citizens, when really they are both despicable and deserving of their fate. The fact that the only elements in the room are time and people has led Sartre to conclude that â,"hell is other people,â, and through his examples, it is not hard to agree with the sentiment. Without society to make sure they behave, the characters resort to almost childlike bickering over trivial details, when they should just take an existentialistâ,,,s view and accept the consequences for their actions. Their present is not a mistake as Estelle initially thought, but the perfect punishment for their conduct in life.
Aren't you going to read it Snorkel?
In addition to musical talents, animals seem to like me more than most people, especially cats.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 09:32:19 PM
maybe if you didn't place a comma every 5 words it would be decent
+1 for sartre though
Sounds like you read the first sentence.
It got an A in an AP class, I think it's a little more than decent.
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 09:44:05 PM
No, you have paragraphs where there's barely a sentence without at least two commas in it
and also you used an exclamation point ("A coward!"). edumacate;
it's better than decent I guess, and definitely better than the shit most high school kids write; obviously neither of us are English professors and I don't know what constitutes writing talent either
Well, to be fair it's hard to show off talent in an assigned essay.
Quote from: Purloiner of Hares on August 11, 2008, 09:44:05 PM
No, you have paragraphs where there's barely a sentence without at least two commas in it
and also you used an exclamation point ("A coward!"). edumacate;
it's better than decent I guess, and definitely better than the shit most high school kids write; obviously neither of us are English professors and I don't know what constitutes writing talent either
The exclamation point is in a quote... doodthing;
After reading this thread I'd like to state that M!ppo is an idiot.
wtf, wow, who is this mippo retard!? If he thinks that keeping a fucking drumroll for 24 hours isn't hard then he obviously doesnt know anything about drums...and arent you a freshman anyways? soo what you've been in drumline for like 2 weeks?
Quote from: LJTL on August 12, 2008, 05:03:18 PM
wtf, wow, who is this mippo retard!? If he thinks that keeping a fucking drumroll for 24 hours isn't hard then he obviously doesnt know anything about drums...and arent you a freshman anyways? soo what you've been in drumline for like 2 weeks?
He only started this Summer. AWESOME
lol SERIOUSLY!? hahahah our faces are staring at each other!
Quote from: steal on August 12, 2008, 12:38:58 AM
goddamn those 2 arguing about who's better at drums or whatever a few pages back are fucking idiots
i bet none of you can even do blast beats :|
I'm just waiting for Mippo to post a video of him drumming so I can see if he's any good or if he's just full of shit.
Quote from: Houdini on August 12, 2008, 07:48:41 PM
I'm just waiting for Mippo to post a video of him drumming so I can see if he's any good or if he's just full of shit.
he won't, don't hold your breath.
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 12, 2008, 07:52:09 PM
he won't, don't hold your breath.
I know, but he brags so much about how good he is at drumline that he has to be terrible at it.
Quote from: Houdini on August 12, 2008, 07:54:01 PM
I know, but he brags so much about how good he is at drumline that he has to be terrible at it.
exactly. and he talks like he's a senior and has had years of experience - he's a freshman this year, which means he's had like two weeks tops of drumline. he's a stupid little shit.
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 12, 2008, 07:55:44 PM
exactly. and he talks like he's a senior and has had years of experience - he's a freshman this year, which means he's had like two weeks tops of drumline. he's a stupid little shit.
He's just a freshman? I thought he was just a sophomore. Still, even if he had been on drumline before, he'd still be retarded because no one gives a shit about drumline.
Quote from: Houdini on August 12, 2008, 07:58:02 PM
He's just a freshman? I thought he was just a sophomore. Still, even if he had been on drumline before, he'd still be retarded because no one gives a shit about drumline.
It's all about the low-brass. thumbup;
Quote from: They Call Me Classic on August 12, 2008, 07:58:57 PM
It's all about the low-brass. thumbup;
Agreed, fellow trombonist. thumbup;
Also, he assumed I had no musical experience, when in reality I've been playing music since 2nd grade.
Quote from: Houdini on August 12, 2008, 08:01:01 PM
Also, he assumed I had no musical experience, when in reality I've been playing music since 2nd grade.
FUCKING SAME. he's one of those people who's like "if i don't have any musical talent, nobody does" kind of fag. and then he said choir was easy. i lol'd. reading choral music is 943204204209 times harder, you're really fucked if you can't play piano.
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 12, 2008, 08:03:07 PM
FUCKING SAME. he's one of those people who's like "if i don't have any musical talent, nobody does" kind of fag. and then he said choir was easy. i lol'd. reading choral music is 943204204209 times harder, you're really fucked if you can't play piano.
I HATE when people say that reading choral music is easy....
Quote from: TECTRON on August 12, 2008, 07:59:42 PM
Agreed, fellow trombonist. thumbup;
For some reason, Trombonists always get along. When other bands meet, the first to make friends are the trombones.
I guess the internet is the same. thumbup;
Quote from: skylark-e on August 12, 2008, 08:03:52 PM
I HATE when people say that reading choral music is easy....
It depends on the piece.
Quote from: They Call Me Classic on August 12, 2008, 08:04:38 PM
For some reason, Trombonists always get along. When other bands meet, the first to make friends are the trombones.
I guess the internet is the same. thumbup;
They're also the first to get run over on the football field.
of course it does... just like anything else, correct?
same thing can be said for music of any instrument... it depends on the piece.
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 12, 2008, 08:03:07 PM
FUCKING SAME. he's one of those people who's like "if i don't have any musical talent, nobody does" kind of fag. and then he said choir was easy. i lol'd. reading choral music is 943204204209 times harder, you're really fucked if you can't play piano.
Has he actually tried choir? How would he know? befuddlement
Quote from: Flying Circus on August 12, 2008, 08:05:17 PM
They're also the first to get run over on the football field.
Leave it to the jock to mention that. argh;
Quote from: skylark-e on August 12, 2008, 08:05:45 PM
of course it does... just like anything else, correct?
same thing can be said for music of any instrument... it depends on the piece.
Let's just agree Mippo is full of shit. <3
Quote from: They Call Me Classic on August 12, 2008, 08:07:25 PM
Leave it to the jock to mention that. argh;
And I thought you wouldn't get the reference giggle;
just to be sure, just what was I referring to? baddood;
Quote from: Flying Circus on August 12, 2008, 08:08:26 PM
And I thought you wouldn't get the reference giggle;
just to be sure, just what was I referring to? baddood;
I don't know the exact details but I remember watching a clip where the football guys run the trombone over. :o
Quote from: skylark-e on August 12, 2008, 08:03:52 PM
I HATE when people say that reading choral music is easy....
uh... maybe it's just because I've known it for a long time
but choral music is, at least for me, the easiest thing to read. By far.
...isn't all the music basically the same?
Quote from: Houdini on August 12, 2008, 08:05:51 PM
Has he actually tried choir? How would he know? befuddlement
I fucking doubt it. He just likes to talk shit.
Quote from: skylark-e on August 12, 2008, 08:03:52 PM
I HATE when people say that reading choral music is easy....
SAME. again. ^______________^
it's harder because if you know the fingerings and positions of notes on your instrument, all you really have to do is figure out the rhythm, while in choir you can't just read a note and sing it really, you have to rely on a piano for all the notes. not to mention we have to memorize our music, while most instrumentalists, don't.
and nobody have a cow, because i'm on both sides of the fence, i'm a vocalist and instrumentalist.
Quote from: They Call Me Classic on August 12, 2008, 08:10:46 PM
I don't know the exact details but I remember watching a clip where the football guys run the trombone over. :o
yeah, it was Cal vs Stanford, one of the best games ever O_0
Stanford's band thought the play was over so they came out onto the field. But it wasn't over, and the Cal player ran over the trombone player in the end zone lol
hey lets look at all the differeny ways to sing... and then look at all the different ways to play the drums.....its like 1231241324 to 1
yeah that probably sounds retarded but oh well!
Quote from: LJTL on August 12, 2008, 08:14:48 PM
hey lets look at all the differeny ways to sing... and then look at all the different ways to play the drums.....its like 1231241324 to 1
yeah that probably sounds retarded but oh well!
There's way more than just one way to play the drums doodthing;
wellllll shit then, but i still think theres more ways to sing then play the drums
Quote from: LJTL on August 12, 2008, 08:14:48 PM
hey lets look at all the differeny ways to sing... and then look at all the different ways to play the drums.....its like 1231241324 to 1
yeah that probably sounds retarded but oh well!
...well any sheet music is more complicated than drum sheet music, at least for individual pieces. But when you put al the other million instruments into the equation, choral sheet music is really quite basic. doodthing;
If we're talking about who's the best at what, I just wanna say that i've been singing in choirs for 12 years and have a gigantic rave. Though solo singing really sin't my thing.
Quote from: LJTL on August 12, 2008, 08:18:50 PM
wellllll shit then, but i still think theres more ways to sing then play the drums
I don't think you know what you're talking about. I doubt you play the drums, because if you did you would probably know that there a lot of ways to play the drums. I'm not trying to say drums are better than singing, but I'm not going to sit here and watch you bash one of the instruments I play.
yeah i guess soo, but i mean, im not talking about different kinds of drums and different kinds of singing...because i mean you only have one voice, soo of course theres more drums then...but you can sing in an opera, or jazz, or pop, or show tunes style voice (depending on the song) etc, whereas with one drum there is only one way to play it... and i think we all know how that is
Quote from: LJTL on August 12, 2008, 08:26:54 PM
yeah i guess soo, but i mean, im not talking about different kinds of drums and different kinds of singing...because i mean you only have one voice, soo of course theres more drums then...but you can sing in an opera, or jazz, or pop, or show tunes style voice (depending on the song) etc, whereas with one drum there is only one way to play it... and i think we all know how that is
I'm talking about a drum set, not one drum.
Quote from: Samwise Gamgee on August 12, 2008, 08:11:20 PM
uh... maybe it's just because I've known it for a long time
but choral music is, at least for me, the easiest thing to read. By far.
...isn't all the music basically the same?
I guess by reading I mean sightreading, if you took it that way I don't see how it'd be easy unless you have perfect pitch. And to take everything in and actually sing the music correctly, yes, I would say that it is difficult.
...I've been in choir for nine years and I would still say it's difficult.
i agree that drum music is fairly easier compared to sheet music, but i guess that drums might have it harder, dont they keep the beat? and they have to go up against other things? like the other sections and instruments and stuff? whereas in choirs theres only like soprano, alto, bass, baritone, tenor? i mean sure sometimes theres t1 and t2 etc etc
and i think sightreading is easy...cept for solfa, i think its way smarter to use the letter names...makes it easier to teach
Sight reading is very simple... but sight reading WELL is not.
i do sightread well, i just think its stupid...like omgzer thirds and fourths blah blah blah, stupid vowel syllables that are totally un-necessary
Give me a sight reading page and I'll do it.
But I can't guarantee the quality. giggle;
I'm really intruiged by drum sheet music. Like snare and base, because they only have one pitch. I've never taken a really close look at it, but aren't all their notes like, in the middle of the staff and all you read is the rhythm?
Quote from: LJTL on August 12, 2008, 08:33:36 PM
i do sightread well, i just think its stupid...like omgzer thirds and fourths blah blah blah, stupid vowel syllables that are totally un-necessary
Well, good job to you then.
I try hard to sight read as well as I do because for touring (as in traveling with choir) it makes it a lot easier to pick up a new piece we might have to sing for a festival or something. I dunno.
What kind of choir are you in?
advanced mixed...and im blessed with the ability to be either a tenor or a bass
aww <333 mixed choirs make my heart melt.
I'm just in an SSA choir... which is nice, I think. I like it but oh gosh I love SSATB choirs so much. We went to a festival this year and I just swooned over this one South African mixed choir.
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 12, 2008, 08:34:19 PM
I'm really intruiged by drum sheet music. Like snare and base, because they only have one pitch. I've never taken a really close look at it, but aren't all their notes like, in the middle of the staff and all you read is the rhythm?
Each drum is assigned its own note on the staff. Usually, the bass drum is somewhere at the bottom of the staff, the snare is in the middle, the cymbals are above the staff, and the miscellaneous stuff is put somewhere in between. It's confusing at first, but it makes perfect sense once you get the hang of it.
so a drum would be like spliting up a person's voice on a staff?
Quote from: LJTL on August 12, 2008, 08:41:58 PM
so a drum would be like spliting up a person's voice on a staff?
If you're just playing one drum, then there's just one note on the staff.
IM TALKING ABOUT A DRUM-SET, HELLO!, not just one drum!
Quote from: LJTL on August 12, 2008, 08:44:34 PM
IM TALKING ABOUT A DRUM-SET, HELLO!, not just one drum!
Quote from: LJTL on August 12, 2008, 08:41:58 PM
so a drum would be like spliting up a person's voice on a staff?
befuddlement
But anyway, drum music isn't really like splitting up a voice. Think of it more like piano music, except the notes tell you which part of the set to hit instead of which key to play on the piano.
Quote from: They Call Me Classic on August 12, 2008, 08:04:38 PM
For some reason, Trombonists always get along. When other bands meet, the first to make friends are the trombones.
I guess the internet is the same. thumbup;
I certainly hope so. thumbup;
I can play keyboards and flute. powerofone;
Quote from: Laakeri. on August 12, 2008, 09:26:50 PM
I can play keyboards
useful in Scandinavia meaty cocks
how come?
Um I can talk to people.
Quote from: Flying Circus on August 12, 2008, 09:27:38 PM
useful in Scandinavia meaty cocks
Actually, my lifelong dream has been to be a famous keyboardist in a Scandinavian metal band but really it's obvious that that won't ever happen because I'm neither Scandinavian nor talented enough. >.<
Quote from: Spunky on August 12, 2008, 10:09:25 PM
Um I can talk to people.
Not very many people know how to talk.
Quote from: Spunky on August 12, 2008, 10:09:25 PM
Um I can talk to people.
hey i can do that too does this make my post interesting and witty
Quote from: Houdini on August 12, 2008, 10:14:03 PM
Not very many people know how to talk.
Let alone to people.
Quote from: Cammykins on August 12, 2008, 10:14:46 PM
hey i can do that too does this make my post interesting and witty
When will you learn to shut the fuck up? You're like me when I tried to be a forum vigilante or whatever and bashed everybody, except you're just a fucking annoying minimod. Go find something better to do, faggot.
Quote from: Nyerp on August 13, 2008, 12:38:55 PM
When will you learn to shut the fuck up? You're like me when I tried to be a forum vigilante or whatever and bashed everybody, except you're just a fucking annoying minimod. Go find something better to do, faggot.
since when the hell did i minimod
And I don't bash everyone.
BAHAHAHAHAH
Quote from: Nyerp on August 13, 2008, 12:38:55 PM
When will you learn to shut the fuck up? You're like me when I tried to be a forum vigilante or whatever and bashed everybody, except you're just a fucking annoying minimod. Go find something better to do, faggot.
AHAHAHA HOLY SHIT THAT WAS RIDICULUS!
ps mippo has no talentz...other than failin!
Quote from: LJTL on August 13, 2008, 01:59:24 PM
BAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHA HOLY SHIT THAT WAS RIDICULUS!
ps mippo has no talentz...other than failin!
yeah nyerp is silly
Quote from: Cammykins on August 13, 2008, 01:27:54 PM
since when the hell did i minimod
since you started making stupid sarcastic comments to posts that aren't bad
Quote from: LJTL on August 13, 2008, 01:59:24 PM
BAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHA HOLY SHIT THAT WAS RIDICULUS!
shut the fuck up
Quote from: Cammykins on August 13, 2008, 02:08:13 PM
yeah nyerp is silly
you're retarded
im a kitty meow meow
Quote from: Nyerp on August 13, 2008, 02:11:37 PM
since you started making making stupid sarcastic comments to posts that aren't bad
so that means im trying to enforce rules and get the general community to obey rules like a mini mod
You're such a fucking idiot nyerp.
Quote from: Cammykins on August 13, 2008, 02:18:09 PM
so that means im trying to enforce rules and get the general community to obey rules like a mini mod
something like that, and it's really annoying
it proves you are a retard since you keep doing it even though nobody gives a fuck or listens to you when you do it
all you want is the attention
Quote from: Nyerp on August 13, 2008, 02:20:58 PM
something like that, and it's really annoying
it proves you are a retard since you keep doing it even though nobody gives a fuck or listens to you when you do it
all you want is the attention
nyerp do you want my attention
Quote from: Clucky on August 13, 2008, 02:21:38 PM
nyerp do you want my attention
nyerp do you want clucky's virginity
Quote from: Nyerp on August 13, 2008, 02:22:42 PM
no thanks
do you know what some people would do to have my virginity ;_;
Quote from: Nyerp on August 13, 2008, 02:20:58 PM
something like that, and it's really annoying
it proves you are a retard since you keep doing it even though nobody gives a fuck or listens to you when you do it
all you want is the attention
cool you're retarded that's not what im doing at all
and you certainly seem to be giving me the attention i supposedly crave
and the people aren't really supposed to care about the sarcasm, because they're jokes, jokes you know not meant to be taken seriously.
Quote from: Nyerp on August 13, 2008, 02:22:42 PM
no thanks
are you fucking gay even i want her virginity
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 13, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
are you fucking gay even i want her virginity
yes nyerp actually is gay
Nyerp is gay.
fuck you guys :'( i haven't even been here a week
Quote from: Det_Napoli on August 13, 2008, 02:28:58 PM
fuck you guys :'( i haven't even been here a week
For future reference, I am gay too.
Cam is bi.
i never knew nyerp was gay
Quote from: Clucky on August 13, 2008, 02:33:02 PM
i never knew nyerp was gay
he also has an extra tooth and claims to be extremely ugly baddood;
nice retort nyerp
Quote from: Cammykins on August 13, 2008, 02:34:15 PM
he also has an extra tooth and claims to be extremely ugly baddood;
extra tooths aren't really noticeable.
I wouldn't even take Clucky's virginity with Cam's dick. baddood;
was someone talking about my penis
Quote from: abeautifulhaze on August 13, 2008, 02:57:51 PM
I wouldn't even take Clucky's virginity with Cam's dick. baddood;
Thanks for sparing my life. <3
Quote from: Clucky on August 13, 2008, 03:35:56 PM
Thanks for sparing my life. <3
you can fuck my dick instead<3.
I LIKE WOMENZ! anyways...and ummmmmmmm fuck youz nyerp! and im pissed that i didnt get to exacerbate this arguement....oh and
ps my and clucky do handstand togetherzzzzz (psssst they're dirty too :|)
Quote from: LJTL on August 13, 2008, 04:09:42 PM
I LIKE WOMENZ! anyways...and ummmmmmmm fuck youz nyerp! and im pissed that i didnt get to exacerbate this arguement....oh and
ps my and clucky do handstand togetherzzzzz (psssst they're dirty too :|)
who are you
Shut up and take your bickering somewhere else baddood;
Quote from: Flying Circus on August 13, 2008, 04:48:09 PM
Shut up and take your bickering somewhere else baddood;
i did until he blocked my pms. baddood;
Quote from: LJTL on August 13, 2008, 04:09:42 PM
I LIKE WOMENZ! anyways...and ummmmmmmm fuck youz nyerp! and im pissed that i didnt get to exacerbate this arguement....oh and
ps my and clucky do handstand togetherzzzzz (psssst they're dirty too :|)
You're a goddamn retard.
ugh, THATS ALL I GET? "you a goddamned retard" ?!
you mean i dont get something like this?
"when will you learn to shut the fuck up?! lots of other random swearing, blah blah blah! im throwing a tantrum eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
i ejaculate more than the average pornstar
i'm a great singer, and a pretty damn good tennis player. that's about it though
Quote from: Lawlz on August 14, 2008, 02:42:31 PM
i ejaculate more than the average pornstar
are you a guy? i gotta make sure before i comment on your comment LMAO
Quote from: lfctwentytwo on August 24, 2008, 06:04:06 AM
are you a guy? i gotta make sure before i comment on your comment LMAO
i don't think girls ejaculate sperm everywhere
Quote from: Clucky on August 24, 2008, 09:55:54 AM
i don't think girls ejaculate sperm everywhere
but they do squirt
some of them at least