Which of the major aspects of a game is most important?

[Samus Aran]

i think what actually puts me off is menu navigation lol

modern turn-based games don't need to rely on menus, actions could easily be mapped to buttons

well, you could TRY an action rpg if you want

but i am not well versed in them other than the Tales series so i can't help you out there unless it's Tales lol

[Samus Aran]

Well speaking of strategy, I've never been into RTS games much, I'd say mostly because it's a very PC-centric genre.

well, what about strategy rpgs that are more like Disgaea, FF Tactics, Valkyria Chronicles, etc?

i prefer those types of games over what most people think of as "RTS" although they're obviously similar

[Kalahari Inkantation]

well, you could TRY an action rpg if you want

but i am not well versed in them other than the Tales series so i can't help you out there unless it's Tales lol

action rpgs are more doable

but i think i could definitely enjoy turn-based games more regularly if menus (WHICH ARE ENTIRELY UNNECESSARY) were eliminated

[Thyme]

i think what actually puts me off is menu navigation lol

modern turn-based games don't need to rely on menus, actions could easily be mapped to buttons

You'd probs still need a hud of some sort that shows you what action is mapped to which button, so at that point there wouldn't be that much of a difference, especially if there are sub-actions behind each actions. That hud ends up being pretty much a menu, even if you navigate through it differently.

[Andria]

Well speaking of strategy, I've never been into RTS games much, I'd say mostly because it's a very PC-centric genre.

I like real time strategy don't get me wrong, but my god I suck at most of them so it is really hard for me to get into them. The strategy stuff I have down but the actual implication of said strategies never works out 

i think what actually puts me off is menu navigation lol

modern turn-based games don't need to rely on menus, actions could easily be mapped to buttons

Well if you play them on a pc they are

there simply aren't enough buttons on a console controller to map all the possible choices to it and make it be intuitive and easy to use

[Kalahari Inkantation]

You'd probs still need a hud of some sort that shows you what action is mapped to which button, so at that point there wouldn't be that much of a difference, especially if there are sub-actions behind each actions. That hud ends up being pretty much a menu, even if you navigate through it differently.

couldn't the player just memorize what certain buttons or button combinations do like the player is expected to do with most other games

[Nyerp]

i think what actually puts me off is menu navigation lol

modern turn-based games don't need to rely on menus, actions could easily be mapped to buttons

but that severely limits the amount of attacks that you can do and that's no fun

[Thyme]

couldn't the player just memorize what certain buttons or button combinations do like the player is expected to do with most other games

but that severely limits the amount of attacks that you can do and that's no fun

^^^^

That, and that would be a decent system only with a one-character party, which most turn-based rpgs aren't.

[Andria]

but that severely limits the amount of attacks that you can do and that's no fun

Yeah, if not the combinations would be insane and near impossible to remember

[Samus Aran]

couldn't the player just memorize what certain buttons or button combinations do like the player is expected to do with most other games

they could, but that would limit things extremely

how could you choose which magic spell to use, out of a list, if you can't have a menu? just an example.

i mean, the Tales series makes it so you choose which moves you want mapped to button+directional commands BEFOREHAND, and it's up to you to remember them or check them in a battle (or change them, but in most battles you're not going to pause the action at all except to maybe use an item)

but not ALL rpgs can be that way. it would just oversimplify things. it would eliminate a great deal of the strategy.

[ikanaide]

[Samus Aran]

SO COMPLICATED

[Kalahari Inkantation]

they could, but that would limit things extremely

how could you choose which magic spell to use, out of a list, if you can't have a menu? just an example.

face buttons alone for standard attacks, l1 + face buttons for magic attacks, l2 + face buttons for x actions, r1 + face buttons for y actions, r2 + face buttons for z actions, etc.

I don't think that'd be too difficult.  I think menus can be circumvented. :'(

Though, yeah, it might limit the number of characters each player has control of to one, but then we could encourage multiplayer RPGs. :'(

[Samus Aran]

face buttons alone for standard attacks, l1 + face buttons for magic attacks, l2 + face buttons for x actions, r1 + face buttons for y actions, r2 + face buttons for z actions, etc.

I don't think that'd be too difficult.  I think menus can be circumvented. :'(

Though, yeah, it might limit the number of characters each player has control of to one, but then we could encourage multiplayer RPGs. :'(

that doesn't change the fact that you'd need a menu to select WHICH magic attack or something like that

[Kalahari Inkantation]

To be clear, I don't think we can eliminate menus entirely.  I just don't think they're necessary for battling.

menus are for items :'(