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Do You Believe in God?

Started by Daddy, April 16, 2007, 04:13:26 PM

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Do you believe in God?

Yes.
63 (38.7%)
No.
66 (40.5%)
I'm not sure
34 (20.9%)

Total Members Voted: 147

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Det in F♯ Major

Quote from: Houdini on September 17, 2008, 05:48:54 PM
I really wish you would tell me why you think it's plausible that God created the universe.


I wish you would tell me anything else but "I don't know".  doodthing;
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Ezloﺕ

Quote from: Det. ;] on September 18, 2008, 02:24:30 PM
I wish you would tell me anything else but "I don't know".  doodthing;
but he doesnt know
:)

the shortest route to the sea


Quote from: Socks on January 03, 2011, 09:56:24 PM
pompous talk for my eyes water and quiver with a twitch like a little bitch

Houdini

Quote from: Det. ;] on September 18, 2008, 02:24:30 PM
I wish you would tell me anything else but "I don't know".  doodthing;
At least I'm honest. I wish you had the guts to back up your own opinion instead of wasting my time.

j o e i n c

i wish i was religious because then i would know i was absolutely 100% correct


Meyer Lansky

Quote from: joeinc on September 19, 2008, 09:43:20 PM
i wish i was religious because then i would know i was absolutely 100% correct
It's funny that you say that because religion, specifically Catholicism (which the majority of people seem to be on this board), teaches tolerance.

People's biased opinions come from their own individual person, not religion.

Daddy

Quote from: Back In '88 on September 22, 2008, 07:20:51 AM
It's funny that you say that because religion, specifically Catholicism (which the majority of people seem to be on this board), teaches tolerance.

People's biased opinions come from their own individual person, not religion.
wasn't it the catholics that had the whole deal with the crusades and the inquisition and damnation to hell for heresy and putting galileo under house arrest

Meyer Lansky

Quote from: Khadafi on September 22, 2008, 07:25:13 AM
wasn't it the catholics that had the whole deal with the crusades and the inquisition and damnation to hell for heresy and putting galileo under house arrest
Isn't it 2008?

Don't politics change over time?

Institutions must adapt with the times, religion is no exception.

Knig

Quote from: Back In '88 on September 22, 2008, 07:20:51 AM
It's funny that you say that because religion, specifically Catholicism (which the majority of people seem to be on this board), teaches tolerance.

People's biased opinions come from their own individual person, not religion.


Tolerance means accepting that other people can have beliefs that differ from yours; you still think the beliefs of the religion you belong to are 'right' (if you are a true follower of that religion!) and if their beliefs contradict yours, they're 'wrong'.

If you sealed a person in a bubble away from any sort of outside influence or input whatsoever, they would not be able to form any experiences and, therefore, opinions. Opinions and bias (as if they're really two seperate things, right) do come from society's infuences, and a major part of society is religion.

Quote from: Khadafi on September 22, 2008, 07:25:13 AM
wasn't it the catholics that had the whole deal with the crusades and the inquisition and damnation to hell for heresy and putting galileo under house arrest


wasn't it the atheists like hitler, mao, lenin, and stalin who saw religion as an obstacle to their regimes and therefore ordered widescale holocausts

No side can claim to be innocent, for as history has shown us, there are always going to be selfish, egoistic individuals who use corruption to gain power.

Daddy

Quote from: Rycerz on September 22, 2008, 09:19:19 AM
wasn't it the atheists like hitler, mao, lenin, and stalin who saw religion as an obstacle to their regimes and therefore ordered widescale holocausts

No side can claim to be innocent, for as history has shown us, there are always going to be selfish, egoistic individuals who use corruption to gain power.
1)I don't know where people get the idea, but Hitler was NOT an atheist
2)Lenin ordered genocides? Since when?  I'm almost certain that Lenin was against anti-semitism. Lenin did order attacks and killings against those who opposed the revolution, and a number of them were clergy, but the attacks were  not in the name of atheism.
3)Mao Zedong and Stalin were brutal, but they never justified the killings with atheism(unlike things like the inquisition which were solely religiously related). 
Here is an interesting thing.
http://ethxblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/hitler-was-vegetarian-stalin-atheist.html


Meyer Lansky

Quote from: Rycerz on September 22, 2008, 09:19:19 AM
Tolerance means accepting that other people can have beliefs that differ from yours; you still think the beliefs of the religion you belong to are 'right' (if you are a true follower of that religion!) and if their beliefs contradict yours, they're 'wrong'.
Tolerance is not just accepting that people are able to have different beliefs from you, but accepting the fact that that is what they believe in and because that's what they choose to believe does not make them wrong.

It is jaded, hypocritical statements like:

QuoteIf their beliefs contradict yours, they're 'wrong'.


... that cause so much bloodshed as a result of religion because everyone thinks they are the ones who are right, which is the exact opposite of what tolerance means.

YPrrrr

Quote from: Khadafi on September 22, 2008, 09:39:42 AM
1)I don't know where people get the idea, but Hitler was NOT an atheist
But he did refute religion, essentially  saying national socialism and religion do not mix.
Quote from: Khadafi on September 22, 2008, 09:39:42 AM

3)Mao Zedong and Stalin were brutal, but they never justified the killings with atheism(unlike things like the inquisition which were solely religiously related). 
Here is an interesting thing.
http://ethxblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/hitler-was-vegetarian-stalin-atheist.html
Well it's kind of hard to use atheism as a unifying force considering it is not organized... Their only objective is more power. Religion is too democratic when multiple ones exist, so for dictators the easiest path to gaining more power is to either abolish the entire concept or try to institute a state religion with themselves at the top (i.e. Henry VIII).

Knig

Quote from: Back In '88 on September 22, 2008, 10:28:34 AM
Tolerance is not just accepting that people are able to have different beliefs from you, but accepting the fact that that is what they believe in and because that's what they choose to believe does not make them wrong.

It is jaded, hypocritical statements like:

... that cause so much bloodshed as a result of religion because everyone thinks they are the ones who are right, which is the exact opposite of what tolerance means.


Umm, no. If I believe killing is wrong, but someone else I know of believes killing is right, do I think he is right? No, because I do not share his belief, which is exactly the opposite of what I think to be right, and therefore, from my point of view, his belief about killing must be wrong.

Quote from: Khadafi on September 22, 2008, 09:39:42 AM
1)I don't know where people get the idea, but Hitler was NOT an atheist


Alright, so he wasn't an atheist in the strict sense, but he definitely would not belong to Christianity or Islam through his actions.

Quote2)Lenin ordered genocides? Since when?  I'm almost certain that Lenin was against anti-semitism. Lenin did order attacks and killings against those who opposed the revolution, and a number of them were clergy, but the attacks were  not in the name of atheism.


Yeah, I'm sure the Red Terror was just some derogatory propaganda.

Quote3)Mao Zedong and Stalin were brutal, but they never justified the killings with atheism(unlike things like the inquisition which were solely religiously related). 
Here is an interesting thing.
http://ethxblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/hitler-was-vegetarian-stalin-atheist.html


It doesn't matter if they didn't those horrible things in the name of atheism, since it's not an organization. My point was that no matter what philosophy people hold, evil cannot be attributed to that philosophy as its source.

Ezloﺕ

Quote from: Rycerz on September 22, 2008, 02:19:48 PM

Yeah, I'm sure the Red Terror was just some derogatory propaganda.

but the red terror wasnt a "widescale holocaust" against religion, which you said was an obstacle to lenin's regime
:)

Knig

Quote from: Ezlo on September 22, 2008, 04:14:00 PM
but the red terror wasnt a "widescale holocaust" against religion, which you said was an obstacle to lenin's regime


it was

read about it

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