Annual net revenue per company (billions of USD):
(http://i.imgur.com/g75pZ.png)
Red: Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI)
Green: Microsoft Entertainment and Devices
Blue: Nintendo
Fitch cuts Sony to 'BBB-'; outlook negative (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/15/idUSWLA017120111215)
PS Vita sells only 72,479 units in second week; outsold by 3DS and PSP (http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/2011/12/ps-vita-sells-only-72479-units-in-second-week-outsold-by-3ds-and-psp/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CapsuleComputers+%28Capsule+Computers+Pty+Ltd+-+Gaming+News%2C+Reviews%2C+Interviews+%26+Competitions%29)
this, coupled with the fact that not a single division of sony has been profitable for years (for years, there's been oodles of bad news about the other branches as well (a quick overview from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony#Finance_and_Revenue))), actually has me pretty worried about the company's future befuddlement
Here's an especially scary fun fact:
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony#Finance_and_RevenueIn September 2000 Sony had a net worth of $100 billion, but by December of 2011 it had plunged to $18 billion.
What do you think lies ahead for Sony?
it wouldn't surprise me if scei eventually split off from the rest of the ailing company as one of the only divisions with future potential and
hopewhatever the change, it probably needs to be drastic and soon
Otherwise, terrible management and negative income puts them right on the path to becoming the next Sega, and despite the amount of complaining I do about Sony's often terrible decisions, I'd really rather not have that happen. akudood;
I'd really be more worried about Nintendo. Sony's plan was to recover the costs of manufacturing the PS3 years after it was introduced, and they seem to be doing so, and the biggest danger would be having the next generation rush in. Microsoft hasn't said anything about the next Xbox, and Nintendo's desperate to do something now that the casual market's abandoning them and the Wii can't handle anything that actual gamers want. Considering the Wii U is even behind the 360, they're not a major player in the industry anymore.
Also, the 3DS was dead at launch. It still has very little going for it, and I'm expecting sales to drop off now that the holiday season's over. If Sony can garner good third party support, they'll do fine. Nintendo's target market has all moved on to the iPhone, and since they have no major original titles on the horizon, they've got nothing.
Nintendo just has a more rabid fanbase that eats up any and all shit that's served to them. akudood;
Isn't Sony [still
~lol~] trying to restructure itself so there's less infighting amongst its divisions [also buying out its partners in some of its joint ventures like Ericsson or selling its stake in things like S-LCD to Samsung]. So, whilst Sony isn't in 'great' shape currently, it's mostly due to its non-video shame divisions lagging behind. Really what Sony needs to do is get more people to buy its more expensive products, or stop trying to go at the higher end of electronics.
Also,
Joystiq Engadget said the Vita's sales can possibly be related to stocking issues.
Quote from: http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/29/the-morning-after-playstation-vita-sales-go-cold-during-first-f/This doesn't necessarily reflect a lack of interest, however: there have been stock shortages, and it's also possible that buyers are waiting to make sure that all the launch bugs get cleaned up.
According to Wiki, Sony is the only current manufacturer of the console and much of its facilities were affected by the earthquake earlier this year [and is most likely the reason why Sony pushed the launch for Europe and North America into February], so I wouldn't put a shortage of units out of real of ~possiblity~. bassir;
Quote from: Dovydas on December 29, 2011, 07:18:54 PMReally what Sony needs to do is get more people to buy its more expensive products, or stop trying to go at the higher end of electronics.
Uh, Sony's problem is that everything is marketed with near-Apple prices with none of the famous quality and reliability of Apple products. akudood;
Sony's been notorious for years and they're one of the biggest suspects of planned obsolescence. Their PS1 and early PS2's were some of the worst, although they've (mostly) cleaned up their act in the gaming console area; however, their products are still complete shit outside of that realm. I and nobody I know will buy Sony electronics because we
know they'll fail before the year is up, and you could easily get a similar product from Samsung or some other company for half the price and five times the life.
i worry about nintendo as well, because its wii fanbase is now satisfied by simple smartphone gaming and a significant portion of the "hardxxxre" gamers have migrated over to the HD consoles
Smartphones will also cut into their share of the handheld market, as prior to the late 2000s the only place to find handheld, "casual" games was on Nintendo portables. Now that everyone has a smartphone, not everyone will be returning to the 3DS.
they'll be hurting themselves further by underpowering the wii u, which will technologically be a whole generation behind the future sony and microsoft consoles, and while that tactic worked excellently for them this generation, they've now mostly lost that fanbase to apple
There's also the issue of third-party support, but by now I really don't think anyone buys Nintendo consoles for anything other than Nintendo games, primarily.
But now that the 3DS has picked up and proven itself to not be an utter failure, that will at least buy them some time before real issues become apparent with the Wii U (unless they make some major changes to the console prior to its launch).
Additionally, all of Nintendo's problems are pretty recent. Even if the 8th generation is an absolute disaster for them, they still have a vast amount of wealth to help them through difficult situations. They have never not been profitable.
I'm still more worried about Sony, because their issues have been plaguing them for years. Sony's only majorly successful division was SCEI, and until recently, even that was struggling because of the disastrous PS3 launch. I'm not sure there's much hope for any of Sony's other branches at this point, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if SCEI spun off and watched from the outside as the rest of the ship crashed and burned, or got taken down with it.
I don't know if they can survive for much longer in their current form. befuddlement
Quote from: Dovydas on December 29, 2011, 07:18:54 PM
Also, Joystiq Engadget said the Vita's sales can possibly be related to stocking issues.
According to Wiki, Sony is the only current manufacturer of the console and much of its facilities were affected by the earthquake earlier this year [and is most likely the reason why Sony pushed the launch for Europe and North America into February], so I wouldn't put a shortage of units out of real of ~possiblity~. bassir;
hmm
didn't they claim to have 700,000 units prepared for launch
as of now, they've only sold about 400,000
Could we really blame a "shortage" for the issues, or is it merely a convenient scapegoat? befuddlement
these guys going out of business would be a Good Thing imo.
Quote from: Complicated Bridge on December 29, 2011, 09:14:32 PM
these guys going out of business would be a Good Thing imo.
A video game-less society would lead to Apple communism.
Quote from: Felt on December 29, 2011, 09:22:33 PM
A video game-less society would lead to Apple communism.
that would be corporatism (what Mussolini desired to call fascism) not communism :)
but i was talking about Fresh new Faces on the market and not the same companies of the last decade idk.
i lied, that graph is in billions
Quote from: Complicated Bridge on December 29, 2011, 09:14:32 PM
these guys going out of business would be a Good Thing imo.
Why? cry;
Quote from: Tectrinket on December 29, 2011, 09:24:33 PM
Why? cry;
aren't all 3 companies constantly shitting on their consumers or am i just missing a lot of good things happening in the industry befuddlement
Quote from: Complicated Bridge on December 29, 2011, 09:27:29 PM
aren't all 3 companies constantly shitting on their consumers or am i just missing a lot of good things happening in the industry befuddlement
you're right, but i think less competition would give the remaining companies even more freedom to do shady things myface;
Quote from: Tectrinket on December 29, 2011, 09:30:33 PM
you're right, but i think less competition would give the remaining companies even more freedom to do shady things myface;
I meant all 3 business lol
if all three companies failed, we wouldn't see any new video game consoles being made because it would be seen as a "failed industry" :'(
Quote from: Felt on December 29, 2011, 09:34:20 PM
if all three companies failed, we wouldn't see any new video game consoles being made because it would be seen as a "failed" business :'(
but there is a bunch of indie games Massively Populating PC and there are other consoles outside of 'Big 3' ??? plus mario deserves nothing more than a futurist-style slaughter.
Quote from: Complicated Bridge on December 29, 2011, 09:37:31 PM
but there is a bunch of indie games Massively Populating PC and there are other consoles outside of 'Big 3' ??? plus mario deserves nothing more than a futurist-style slaughter.
pc gaming is bleh
also lol what
Quote from: Felt on December 29, 2011, 09:39:20 PM
pc gaming is bleh
also lol what
Corporates being succeeded by other Corporations in a violent, social darwinist function is what the futurists were all about. they would be disgusted at us still playing a 20 year old icon.
every single post in this thread is horrible
Quote from: Hiroglyph on December 29, 2011, 10:17:04 PM
every single post in this thread is horrible
well the non felt/burzum posts arent
Quote from: Felt on December 29, 2011, 09:34:20 PM
if all three companies failed, we wouldn't see any new video game consoles being made because it would be seen as a "failed industry" :'(
Dedicated game consoles would stop being made, probably, but games would probably rise in quality tremendously. Modern games are really nothing but corporations rushing shit out the door for money, and when these companies decline, indie devs will start to become more popular, and the only way for them to stand out is to make something amazingly good or crazily innovative.
This would last for a good ten-fifteen years until these indies become huge corporations and repeat the process.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/09/us-sony-downgrade-idUSBRE8A80IA20121109?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+reuters/technologyNews+(Reuters+Technology+News)
[glow=black,2,300]Thoughts[/glow]?
someone needs to fix final fantasy asap cos playstation is the best consoles
Quote from: [23]crossdressers on November 09, 2012, 09:55:38 AM
someone needs to fix final fantasy asap cos playstation is the best consoles
Agreed. srsly
QuoteThe downgrade to Baa3 from Baa2…
What sheep is this?
isn't the playstation division like the most profitable part of the company though
so they just need to restructure the company and fix all the bullshit with the other products
Quote from: Snack Dad on November 09, 2012, 04:46:16 PM
isn't the playstation division like the most profitable part of the company though
so they just need to restructure the company and fix all the bullshit with the other products
well, it was, but then came the ps3 goowan
and then the ps3 itself became profitable (though not
nearly enough to even begin to make up for their astronomically high losses), BUT THEN CAME THE VITA
LOL (http://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/clacky.gif)
that being said, i do believe (or hope at the very least) that their gaming division at minimum is still salvageable, though not without ditching absolutely all the other garbage (which might not be such a bad deal considering that virtually all of their other major subsidiaries aside from those dealing with music and movies have been nothing but leeches for at least the better part of the decade girl;)
Someone on Craigslist really needs to buy my Vita soon. girl;
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/22/us-sony-panasonic-ratings-idUSBRE8AL07B20121122
more good news
Quote from: [23]crossdressers on November 09, 2012, 09:55:38 AM
someone needs to fix final fantasy asap cos playstation is the best consoles
I disagree: I greatly prefer the recent Final Fantasy games.
Quote from: Patsy Stone on November 22, 2012, 11:18:12 AM
Quote from: [23]crossdressers on November 09, 2012, 09:55:38 AM
someone needs to fix final fantasy asap cos playstation is the best consoles
I disagree: I greatly prefer the recent Final Fantasy games.
rofl
Quote from: Snowy on November 23, 2012, 11:56:32 AM
I've enjoyed FFXIII (or at least what I've played of it, I still need to finish it), but I greatly prefer the older, more traditional FF games.
i would prefer that the series continue to find new ways to reinvent itself or to create a blend of new and old rather than relying on pure tradition
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/23/us-sony-panasonic-fitch-idUSBRE8AM02T20121123
okay, it's time to place your bets
[spoiler]
1. What will become of the Vita? More importantly, what will become of the PS4?
2. In what month and year will Sony finally declare bankruptcy?
3. Which extant corporation, if any, will pick up its more valuable pieces? Apple? Google? Nintendo? Microsoft? Samsung? Someone else?[/spoiler]
http://www.cnn.com/techdesk/articles/kaz-hirai-hospitalized
QuoteIn what would be salt to the wound of the beaten and bloody consumer electronics giant Sony Corporation. CEO Kazuo Hirai was hospitalized early Thursday morning after an apparent suicide attempt. Hirai was found in the bathroom of his New York high rise apartment by his wife Jeanine. No official statement has been made from the Hirai family or Sony. However it's not a wild conclusion to jump to if you were to suspect Sony's record losses in the last few years as the factor.
oh my god
http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2008/08/breaking-news-kaz-hirai-dead.html
lol
I was considering buying the Uncharted bundle for Christman but thanks to Tech I can save my money for something more useful. n_n
Quote from: Snowy on November 24, 2012, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: Tectite on November 24, 2012, 05:54:06 PM
[spoiler]
1. What will become of the Vita? More importantly, what will become of the PS4?
2. In what month and year will Sony finally declare bankruptcy?
3. Which extant corporation, if any, will pick up its more valuable pieces? Apple? Google? Nintendo? Microsoft? Samsung? Someone else?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
1. Vita is dying as we speak. I can see Sony supporting it until everyone stops (which is happening very quickly). I see P4G being the only SMT game getting remotely close to the Vita. PS4 will be made and come out when the next Xbox does, but it'll probably have a launch similar to the PS3's.
2. I'm going to guess around this time next year.
3. I can see Nintendo picking up a few franchises (LBP, Ratchet and Clank, Katamari, etc.) and MS picking up the shooter franchises. Apple might take the PS line and make it something else completely. Along with 20 variations. goowan[/spoiler]
in all honesty microsoft would be the ones buying up lbp and r&c
they don't give a shit about shooters anymore and are riding on kinect and the cartoonish games that can be played with it. don't forget that they were the ones who took rare from nintendo
Quote from: Snowy on November 25, 2012, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on November 25, 2012, 12:46:45 PM
Quote from: Snowy on November 24, 2012, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: Tectite on November 24, 2012, 05:54:06 PM
[spoiler]
1. What will become of the Vita? More importantly, what will become of the PS4?
2. In what month and year will Sony finally declare bankruptcy?
3. Which extant corporation, if any, will pick up its more valuable pieces? Apple? Google? Nintendo? Microsoft? Samsung? Someone else?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
1. Vita is dying as we speak. I can see Sony supporting it until everyone stops (which is happening very quickly). I see P4G being the only SMT game getting remotely close to the Vita. PS4 will be made and come out when the next Xbox does, but it'll probably have a launch similar to the PS3's.
2. I'm going to guess around this time next year.
3. I can see Nintendo picking up a few franchises (LBP, Ratchet and Clank, Katamari, etc.) and MS picking up the shooter franchises. Apple might take the PS line and make it something else completely. Along with 20 variations. goowan[/spoiler]
in all honesty microsoft would be the ones buying up lbp and r&c
they don't give a shit about shooters anymore and are riding on kinect and the cartoonish games that can be played with it. don't forget that they were the ones who took rare from nintendo
Yes, but Rare is making Kinect sports now, so it's not like they're really using Rare for... you know, the Rareware part. befuddlement
and microsoft is trying to corner the family-friendly market so they're the ones most likely to get sony's cutesy series
also nintendo's not making much money these days so they couldn't really outbid microsoft on anything
Quote from: Snowy on November 26, 2012, 05:03:28 AM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on November 25, 2012, 09:32:30 PM
Quote from: Snowy on November 25, 2012, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on November 25, 2012, 12:46:45 PM
Quote from: Snowy on November 24, 2012, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: Tectite on November 24, 2012, 05:54:06 PM
[spoiler]
1. What will become of the Vita? More importantly, what will become of the PS4?
2. In what month and year will Sony finally declare bankruptcy?
3. Which extant corporation, if any, will pick up its more valuable pieces? Apple? Google? Nintendo? Microsoft? Samsung? Someone else?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
1. Vita is dying as we speak. I can see Sony supporting it until everyone stops (which is happening very quickly). I see P4G being the only SMT game getting remotely close to the Vita. PS4 will be made and come out when the next Xbox does, but it'll probably have a launch similar to the PS3's.
2. I'm going to guess around this time next year.
3. I can see Nintendo picking up a few franchises (LBP, Ratchet and Clank, Katamari, etc.) and MS picking up the shooter franchises. Apple might take the PS line and make it something else completely. Along with 20 variations. goowan[/spoiler]
in all honesty microsoft would be the ones buying up lbp and r&c
they don't give a shit about shooters anymore and are riding on kinect and the cartoonish games that can be played with it. don't forget that they were the ones who took rare from nintendo
Yes, but Rare is making Kinect sports now, so it's not like they're really using Rare for... you know, the Rareware part. befuddlement
and microsoft is trying to corner the family-friendly market so they're the ones most likely to get sony's cutesy series
also nintendo's not making much money these days so they couldn't really outbid microsoft on anything
I think that with the release of the Wii U it might bring Nintendo some money in so that with the fall of Sony in the close to near future, they might be able to grab a series if they wanted to. But I do agree to an extent.
the wii u isn't making money
Quote from: Snowy on November 26, 2012, 06:44:13 AM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on November 26, 2012, 06:29:41 AM
Quote from: Snowy on November 26, 2012, 05:03:28 AM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on November 25, 2012, 09:32:30 PM
Quote from: Snowy on November 25, 2012, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on November 25, 2012, 12:46:45 PM
Quote from: Snowy on November 24, 2012, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: Tectite on November 24, 2012, 05:54:06 PM
[spoiler]
1. What will become of the Vita? More importantly, what will become of the PS4?
2. In what month and year will Sony finally declare bankruptcy?
3. Which extant corporation, if any, will pick up its more valuable pieces? Apple? Google? Nintendo? Microsoft? Samsung? Someone else?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
1. Vita is dying as we speak. I can see Sony supporting it until everyone stops (which is happening very quickly). I see P4G being the only SMT game getting remotely close to the Vita. PS4 will be made and come out when the next Xbox does, but it'll probably have a launch similar to the PS3's.
2. I'm going to guess around this time next year.
3. I can see Nintendo picking up a few franchises (LBP, Ratchet and Clank, Katamari, etc.) and MS picking up the shooter franchises. Apple might take the PS line and make it something else completely. Along with 20 variations. goowan[/spoiler]
in all honesty microsoft would be the ones buying up lbp and r&c
they don't give a shit about shooters anymore and are riding on kinect and the cartoonish games that can be played with it. don't forget that they were the ones who took rare from nintendo
Yes, but Rare is making Kinect sports now, so it's not like they're really using Rare for... you know, the Rareware part. befuddlement
and microsoft is trying to corner the family-friendly market so they're the ones most likely to get sony's cutesy series
also nintendo's not making much money these days so they couldn't really outbid microsoft on anything
I think that with the release of the Wii U it might bring Nintendo some money in so that with the fall of Sony in the close to near future, they might be able to grab a series if they wanted to. But I do agree to an extent.
the wii u isn't making money
Really? They seem to be selling well.
the console itself is selling at a loss for now, but it becomes profitable for nintendo as long as the consumer buys at least one game which is pretty much guaranteed lol
http://www.examiner.com/article/nintendo-wii-u-profitable-after-1-game-purchase
5,000$
Quote from: Snowy on December 03, 2012, 01:41:02 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steve-ballmer-s-nightmare-is-coming-true-181558610.html
Looks like with Sony dead and Microsoft crumbling the Wii U will be the winner of the console wars.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/news-summary-ceo-says-sony-is-on-track-for-comeback-refuses-to-get-into-price-war/2013/01/17/2d36bd64-60d6-11e2-bc4f-1f06fffb7acf_story.html
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/495d344a0d10421e9baa8ee77029cfbd/Article_2013-01-17-AS-Japan-Sony/id-ee8359e423ae47978a2c2103e0bc3048
QuoteA continuing headache has been Sony's TV division, now in its ninth straight year of red ink.
Quote
Kazuo Hirai [...] said Sony is now more nimble and focused and plans to target customers willing to pay more for its televisions and cellphones.
and they're
still stuck living in the past awdood;
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/09/08/the-ten-year-decline-of-sony/
QuoteSony’s Total Liabilities: $135.61 Billion
Sony has more total liabilities than Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Electronic Arts combined.
[spoiler]
selling both their tokyo and ny headquarters would net them about 1.5% of what they needed to pay off this debt[/spoiler]
i think ia m going to buy sony
Quote from: http://www.polygon.com/2013/1/21/3900032/kaz-hirai-hints-sony-will-let-microsoft-make-first-next-gen-move"Why go first when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better," Hirai said in response to a question about possible hardware release windows, hinting that Sony will wait until Microsoft has unveiled their own technology well before announcing their own.
yeah
just as long as that doesn't mean they're launching much later, too awdood;
http://www.zdnet.com/uk/uk-fines-sony-395k-for-2011-playstation-hack-7000010256/
QuoteSony Computer Entertainment (SCE) Europe Limited has been fined £250,000 (US$395,775) by the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) in the UK, following the massive hacking of Sony's PlayStation Network (PSN) in 2011 that saw million of users' personal data leaked.
even for sony, this fine is absolutely nothing, considering their recent multi-billion dollar annual losses
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific_business/view/1200416/1/.html
QuoteJapanese electronics giant Sony on Thursday posted a record full-year loss of $5.7 billion
they would have to be losing about $15.6 million per day for that to happen
meaning that $395,000 fine is only about 1/40 of what they lose daily anyway goowan
[spoiler]
and it's even worse considering that their expected losses for 2012 total about $6.4 billion
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/11/business/global/sony-revises-expected-loss-to-6-4-billion.html?_r=0
meaning that fine is an even smaller fraction of what they lose daily at just 1/44[/spoiler]
one more year of this and they'll be gone
hey amateur economist tec, how much money does sony lose on the other entertainment arms of sony such as their motion picture and music divisions
Quote from: Rain Man on January 26, 2013, 05:09:23 PM
hey amateur economist tec, how much money does sony lose on the other entertainment arms of sony such as their motion picture and music divisions
those are still profitable, but i'm sure you already know that lol
but all of their hardware divisions have been suffering for years
i don't actually expect them to disappear anytime soon, but i do expect them to abandon the unprofitable arms of their company if this trend continues (and there's no indication of it stopping in the foreseeable future)
[spoiler]
...But then again, Kaz recently announced that they'll
still be targeting customers willing to pay more for their devices.
Even though nobody has been willing to pay more for Sony devices for at least a decade. awdood;[/spoiler]
although there has been some decent (though fairly inconsequential) news recently
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-24/sony-27-convertibles-jump-revives-market-in-slump.html
but that has less to do with sony's """restructuring""" and more to do with the weakening of the yen lol
but it helps in any case
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/07/sony-earnings-idUSL4N0B60ON20130207
O_0
it's too bad asset sales isn't exactly the most sustainable business
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/08/sony-shares-drop-by-10-percent/
[spoiler]idk what any of this means 5thgrade;[/spoiler]
Quote from: Thyme on February 08, 2013, 02:24:05 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/08/sony-shares-drop-by-10-percent/
[spoiler]idk what any of this means 5thgrade;[/spoiler]
lol
[spoiler]
me neither[/spoiler]
the slow penetration of the playstation vita ifeelbetter;
OH GOD THYME, you silly boy. girl;
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on December 29, 2011, 07:05:39 PM
it wouldn't surprise me if scei eventually split off from the rest of the ailing company as one of the only divisions with future potential and hope
whatever the change, it probably needs to be drastic and soon
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on December 29, 2011, 07:42:16 PM
I'm not sure there's much hope for any of Sony's other branches at this point, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if SCEI spun off and watched from the outside as the rest of the ship crashed and burned, or got taken down with it.
I don't know if they can survive for much longer in their current form. befuddlement
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on November 09, 2012, 05:07:49 PM
that being said, i do believe (or hope at the very least) that their gaming division at minimum is still salvageable, though not without ditching absolutely all the other garbage (which might not be such a bad deal considering that virtually all of their other major subsidiaries aside from those dealing with music and movies have been nothing but leeches for at least the better part of the decade girl;)
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on January 26, 2013, 05:16:13 PM
but all of their hardware divisions have been suffering for years
i don't actually expect them to disappear anytime soon, but i do expect them to abandon the unprofitable arms of their company if this trend continues (and there's no indication of it stopping in the foreseeable future)
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/23/sony-considers-splitting-the-company-after-proposed-ipo/
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/23/4358368/sony-considering-split-of-entertainment-and-electronic-divisions
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20130522-702008.html
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-05-22/sony-directors-discuss-loeb-s-proposal-for-entertainment-ipo-2
http://www.gamespot.com/news/major-sony-investor-calls-for-the-corporation-to-split-up-6408325
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/22/us-sony-strategy-idUSBRE94L07220130522
http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/22/news/companies/sony-third-point/index.html
My dreams are being realized. (http://i.imgur.com/DoCac2a.gif)
http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/30/sony-in-talks-with-morgan-stanley-citigroup-on-electronics-and-entertainment-split-report/
oh my god giggle;
Also, fun fact:
Tumblr sold for the same $1.1 billion that Sony's NY headquarters did. sillydood;
three years later and absolutely nothing has changed
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Sony-CEO-Kazuo-Hirai-open-to-selling-mobile-TV-businesses-Sources/articleshow/45871800.cms?
QuoteSony, which has cut its earnings forecasts six times on Hirai's watch,
i lol'd
Quoteforecasts a 230 billion yen ($1.9 billion) net loss for the business year to March, and will suspend dividend payments for the first time, after deep smartphone losses.
QuoteBut even as many analysts say further drastic action is needed, such as a full-fledged exit from TVs, Hirai used last week’s high-profile Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas to push an array of new gadgets, including a super-slim TVs and a $1,100 Walkman digital-music player.
rofl
Quote from: Tectron on January 14, 2015, 03:20:56 AM
three years later and absolutely nothing has changed
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Sony-CEO-Kazuo-Hirai-open-to-selling-mobile-TV-businesses-Sources/articleshow/45871800.cms?
QuoteSony, which has cut its earnings forecasts six times on Hirai's watch,
i lol'd
Quoteforecasts a 230 billion yen ($1.9 billion) net loss for the business year to March, and will suspend dividend payments for the first time, after deep smartphone losses.
QuoteBut even as many analysts say further drastic action is needed, such as a full-fledged exit from TVs, Hirai used last week’s high-profile Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas to push an array of new gadgets, including a super-slim TVs and a $1,100 Walkman digital-music player.
rofl
to illustrate just how mind-bogglingly incapable sony is of accepting that the walkman era is long dead and it will never be apple, here's a comparison with a post i made almost exactly one year ago that is almost exactly the same content wise
Quote from: Tectron on January 17, 2013, 05:47:54 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/news-summary-ceo-says-sony-is-on-track-for-comeback-refuses-to-get-into-price-war/2013/01/17/2d36bd64-60d6-11e2-bc4f-1f06fffb7acf_story.html
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/495d344a0d10421e9baa8ee77029cfbd/Article_2013-01-17-AS-Japan-Sony/id-ee8359e423ae47978a2c2103e0bc3048
QuoteA continuing headache has been Sony's TV division, now in its ninth straight year of red ink.
Quote
Kazuo Hirai [...] said Sony is now more nimble and focused and plans to target customers willing to pay more for its televisions and cellphones.
and they're still stuck living in the past awdood;
what an impressive comeback that was, kaz
can't wait to make this same post again in another year lol
Microsoft is best #yolo
Quote from: Jojo on January 14, 2015, 08:50:55 AM
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on January 14, 2015, 07:44:43 AM
Microsoft is best #yolo
yeah sure..... sure they are....
>better online
>Better exclusives
>Better UI
Stay pleb Jon
Console warring? On my Boyah?
all three of them suck rn
nintendo comes off as marginally better imo
Quote from: Thyme on January 14, 2015, 09:31:54 AM
all three of them suck rn
nintendo comes off as marginally better imo
all four are shit m8
Quote from: David on January 14, 2015, 11:07:57 AM
Quote from: Thyme on January 14, 2015, 09:31:54 AM
all three of them suck rn
nintendo comes off as marginally better imo
all four are shit m8
>actually thinking this
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I.... looooooooooove xboox.....
fo realz giggle;
Quote from: Snowy on January 14, 2015, 02:19:44 PM
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on January 14, 2015, 09:00:27 AM
Quote from: Jojo on January 14, 2015, 08:50:55 AM
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on January 14, 2015, 07:44:43 AM
Microsoft is best #yolo
yeah sure..... sure they are....
>better online
>Better exclusives
>Better UI
Stay pleb Jon
The UI is awful and there are no exclusives lol
there are exclusives, but they're all shooters.
Rise of Tomb Raider doesnt count. only timed exclusive
wii u sequels and remakes are better than Wii's sequels and remakes
Dead Rising doesn't count because that franchise sucks
Quote from: Platinum the Trinity on January 14, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Dead Rising doesn't count because that franchise sucks
it kind of sucks because dead rising 1 was a cool idea but they just ran that series into the dirt.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/01/28/playstation-meet-spotify/
i'm so glad sony terminated music unlimited so i can listen with my spotify subscription to some shoogays while scenegazing in final fantasy xv.
Quote from: PLEASEHELP1991 on January 29, 2015, 05:10:27 PM
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/01/28/playstation-meet-spotify/
i'm so glad sony terminated music unlimited so i can listen with my spotify subscription to some shoogays while scenegazing in final fantasy xv.
it's like this post was made with some sort of "automated felt post" script that just mashes together typical words felt would use
Quote from: Platinum the Trinity on January 29, 2015, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PLEASEHELP1991 on January 29, 2015, 05:10:27 PM
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/01/28/playstation-meet-spotify/
i'm so glad sony terminated music unlimited so i can listen with my spotify subscription to some shoogays while scenegazing in final fantasy xv.
it's like this post was made with some sort of "automated felt post" script that just mashes together typical words felt would use
it's aspergian
http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/2/7963995/sony-online-entertainment-sold-off-by-sony-renamed-daybreak-game
til sony is still capable of occasionally making wise business decisions
now if only they would trim the rest of the fat
Quote from: Tectron on February 02, 2015, 11:23:22 AM
http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/2/7963995/sony-online-entertainment-sold-off-by-sony-renamed-daybreak-game
til sony is still capable of occasionally making wise business decisions
now if only they would trim the rest of the fat
SOE was past their prime anyways. I'm sure we'll see good games from them but nothing to write home about.
Btw the original Everquest was so fantastic if you were there in the beginning and had nothing else in real life to do.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/4/7979071/ps4-sales-financial-results-q3-2014
the ps4 sold 70% of the wii u's entire existence in one quarter [if you believe vgchartz, which puts it at roughly 100,000 units lower than has shipped according to nintendo]. how utterly pathetic lmao
https://www.google.com/finance?cid=33095
lol wow
that brief glimpse of financial lucidity from sony must have been a long-needed breath of fresh air for their investors, h. christ
Quote from: Tectron on February 04, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
https://www.google.com/finance?cid=33095
lol wow
that brief glimpse of financial lucidity from sony must have been a long-needed breath of fresh air for their investors, h. christ
the ps4 is just what sony needed
god bless this world
well they still need to dump their tvs and phones and mp3 players and pretty much any manufactured good that isn't the ps4 or cameras lol
but maybe this year if they're careful they'll have as little as $1 billion in losses
eh i like their cheap in-ear headphones 5thgrade;
Quote from: Tectron on February 04, 2015, 02:39:15 PM
well they still need to dump their tvs and phones and mp3 players and pretty much any manufactured good that isn't the ps4 or cameras lol
but maybe this year if they're careful they'll have as little as $1 billion in losses
i thought the tv division was doing well?
honestly, if it isn't. sony would probably be better off if it streamlined the models they have, it's annoying trying to find one since there's so many
Quote from: David on February 04, 2015, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: Tectron on February 04, 2015, 02:39:15 PM
well they still need to dump their tvs and phones and mp3 players and pretty much any manufactured good that isn't the ps4 or cameras lol
but maybe this year if they're careful they'll have as little as $1 billion in losses
i thought the tv division was doing well?
honestly, if it isn't. sony would probably be better off if it streamlined the models they have, it's annoying trying to find one since they're so many
nope
http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2015/02/04/sony-trims-full-year-loss-forecast-to-14-billion
and actually only -1.4 billion this year if their projections are accurate
things are looking up !!
and agreed, half of sony's problem is manufacturing too many pointless variants of the same device
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/02/12/ps4-ps3-ps-vita-games-in-2015-the-big-list/
how underwhelming
wow hatoful boyfriend is being ported onto the PS4
Def buying it in addition to persona 5
Still waiting for tropico 5 :|||
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-02-18-sony-aiming-at-USD4-20bn-profit-by-end-of-fy-2017
lol we'll see about that
also:
QuoteSony is also planning to "spin out" some more areas into their own wholly owned subsidiaries, in the way it did previously for SCE. TV and mobile are the first expected targets of this, with some expecting at least one of these risky and embattled sectors to be sold off entirely in the way that the Vaio PC business was.
Quote from: Tectron on February 18, 2015, 02:00:41 PM
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-02-18-sony-aiming-at-USD4-20bn-profit-by-end-of-fy-2017
lol we'll see about that
also:
QuoteSony is also planning to "spin out" some more areas into their own wholly owned subsidiaries, in the way it did previously for SCE. TV and mobile are the first expected targets of this, with some expecting at least one of these risky and embattled sectors to be sold off entirely in the way that the Vaio PC business was.
i suspect it will be phones. sony's tvs at least have some prestige, whereas sony can't even get a google play edition of of the z3 compact
http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/18/8063269/sony-electronics-future-selling-off-pc-smartphone-tv
jesus christie, sony mobile
and it's true, sony has no relevance in manufacturing anymore except in video games
also:
the order will save the ps4
bloodborne will save the ps4
why does the ps4 need a savior? It's selling despite the lack of any clear direction (read: games)
1886 is the number of hours you'll play the game for minus the current year multiplied by -1
the order: 18.86 fps for that """cinematic""" feel
http://www.destructoid.com/attention-cord-cutters-playstation-vue-launches-today-for-ps3-and-ps4-289231.phtml
...that's cable psyduck;
this is exactly what people hate about cable and the reason why so many are "cutting the cord"
Damn it costs more than our actual cable
I only watch HBO and Showtime, so I am not interested as the rest of cable is just filler
Quote from: PLEASEHELP1991 on March 19, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
I only watch HBO and Showtime, so I am not interested as the rest of cable is just filler
arent you special
http://www.bdlive.co.za/world/asia/2015/04/28/old-boys-say-sony-chief-is-losing-his-way
Quote"Sony is like a ship that has set sail in the stormy weather of the electronics business, led by a captain [Kaz] who’s using a flawed nautical map," [said] Tamotsu Iba, a former Sony chief financial officer and vice chairman.
"He doesn’t have the sensibility or intellect to notice it’s wrong. Do board members, who should be in a position to supervise the captain, not notice? Are they tolerating it, not willing to point it out?"
damn dood
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on March 19, 2015, 11:17:21 AM
Quote from: PLEASEHELP1991 on March 19, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
I only watch HBO and Showtime, so I am not interested as the rest of cable is just filler
arent you special
don't encourage him
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on May 01, 2015, 12:36:52 AM
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on March 19, 2015, 11:17:21 AM
Quote from: PLEASEHELP1991 on March 19, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
I only watch HBO and Showtime, so I am not interested as the rest of cable is just filler
arent you special
don't encourage him
thank you for bumping a month old post I couldn't care less about
anybody remember this fucked up commercial?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ourqvi6I9KE[/youtube]
http://playeressence.com/sony-now-calls-the-ps-vita-a-legacy-platform-outside-of-japanasia/
lol
some legacy it left behind
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/sony-boss-andrew-house-admits-ps4-first-party-line-little-sparse-1503086
at least one sony exec is self aware
WILL THIS MEAN THAT THE PS VITA WILL BE SEEING FIRESALES IN THE NEAR FUTURE AWESOME
Quote from: David on May 30, 2015, 01:44:11 PM
WILL THIS MEAN THAT THE PS VITA WILL BE SEEING FIRESALES IN THE NEAR FUTURE AWESOME
http://www.gamezone.com/news/rumor-ps4-and-ps-vita-could-be-getting-a-price-cut-3416645
Quote from: Tectron on May 30, 2015, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: David on May 30, 2015, 01:44:11 PM
WILL THIS MEAN THAT THE PS VITA WILL BE SEEING FIRESALES IN THE NEAR FUTURE AWESOME
http://www.gamezone.com/news/rumor-ps4-and-ps-vita-could-be-getting-a-price-cut-3416645
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
YES
though i can't see a price drop to $89 from $200 ever happening lol (unfortunately)
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/sony-playstation-tv-doesnt-sell-because-it-does-nothing-well-451900
Quote from: YoshidaIt can do many things, but it's not easy to say this one thing is extremely good. I think that's the reason we were not able to convince people at the original price
Quote from: YoshidaWe are not making games like Killzone Mercenary, big budget Vita games anymore [...] The expectation of the graphical quality and size of the world for these type of games have risen after the launch of PlayStation 4. The same thing happened with the PSP. People were so excited to be able to play PS2 graphics games on the go. After PS3 launched, expectations grew. The types of games on PSP were not as attractive.
what kind of excuse is that second quote
vita fans aren't begging sony for triple As with $200 million budgets that rival crysis 3 in fidelity, they're begging sony for any attention at all
50 million 3ds fans are perfectly content with games that look like they were imported from 1995 because they understand that handhelds can't possibly compete with consoles graphically, and while vita fans might have slightly higher expectations they don't want or expect anything rivaling the ps4
it's like sony has no idea what or who the vita and its fanbase even are lol
people aren't ignoring the vita because grfx
they're ignoring it because it doesn't have a shred of worthwhile software, graphically impressive or not
Quote from: Tectron on June 20, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/sony-playstation-tv-doesnt-sell-because-it-does-nothing-well-451900
While the quotes in that article are completely off-mark, at least the headline is right.
Vita TV has a lot of software issues:
* No user account switching system. For any modern TV-connected game console, it should be easy for multiple users to have their own accounts on it and easily switch between them without factory resetting the system every time.
* Strong lack of video content. It can't compete with every other streaming device ever in the usual assortment of Netflix, Hulu, etc
* Video apps cannot play at 720p, let alone 1080p. Like all Vita games, they play at 960x544 and are upscaled to fit your TV.
* Some games which should be completely playable with a DualShock 4 (touchpad) are simply blocked
* Some games which could easily get an update to remove touch-dependency never did
* It should be easy for users of actual Vita systems to easily cast their display to a PS TV or at least easily switch between the two systems
and also one glaring hardware issue:
* Proprietary memory card instead of SD (at least it doesn't matter
as much as regular Vita thanks to 1GB onboard storage)
https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-changes-Sonys-outlook-to-positive-from-stable-affirms-Ba1--PR_329057
kaz......
Quote from: Tectron on June 30, 2015, 08:50:26 PM
https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-changes-Sonys-outlook-to-positive-from-stable-affirms-Ba1--PR_329057
kaz......
If Kaz can save Sony, can he save Greece?
if valve couldn't save greece, can it save the steam machine
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-01-27-valves-economist-is-the-new-finance-minister-of-greece
Quote from: bluaki on June 21, 2015, 11:50:04 AM
Quote from: Tectron on June 20, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/sony-playstation-tv-doesnt-sell-because-it-does-nothing-well-451900
While the quotes in that article are completely off-mark, at least the headline is right.
Vita TV has a lot of software issues:
* No user account switching system. For any modern TV-connected game console, it should be easy for multiple users to have their own accounts on it and easily switch between them without factory resetting the system every time.
* Strong lack of video content. It can't compete with every other streaming device ever in the usual assortment of Netflix, Hulu, etc
* Video apps cannot play at 720p, let alone 1080p. Like all Vita games, they play at 960x544 and are upscaled to fit your TV.
* Some games which should be completely playable with a DualShock 4 (touchpad) are simply blocked
* Some games which could easily get an update to remove touch-dependency never did
* It should be easy for users of actual Vita systems to easily cast their display to a PS TV or at least easily switch between the two systems
and also one glaring hardware issue:
* Proprietary memory card instead of SD (at least it doesn't matter as much as regular Vita thanks to 1GB onboard storage)
Sony's very own Wii U
Quote from: … on June 30, 2015, 11:23:13 PM
Sony's very own Wii U
At least Wii U has a much better game library, multi-user support, minimum 720p+ (often 1080) resolution for everything, and apps for Netflix, YouTube, and Amazon Instant Video.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/1/8874943/sony-crowdfunding-platform-first-flight-launch
(http://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/ugly.gif)
Quote from: Tectron on July 02, 2015, 04:14:57 PM
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/1/8874943/sony-crowdfunding-platform-first-flight-launch
(http://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/ugly.gif)
NOW YOU GET TO PAY TWICE FOR EVERYTHING COMPANIES MAKE
http://www.destructoid.com/the-playstation-4-has-70-90-of-the-eu-s-console-market-share-295093.phtml
(http://i.imgur.com/0UPQ6hZ.jpg)
gotta have a quadrups to play that new fifa
http://www.bidnessetc.com/51965-sony-corp-asia-says-the-playstation-vita-is-dead/
(http://i.imgur.com/ULzLIvE.png)
lmao
Sony's TGS show was today
Gravity Rush is getting a PS4 remake in February and a PS4-exclusive sequel later in 2016
New Danganronpa announced, but with no trailer or any other sort of information besides that, unlike all the series's previous Vita-exclusive games, it's going to both Vita and PS4
No Persona info yet, that's in a different conference in a couple days, but that's yet another franchise Vita is kinda losing to PS4
Basically, RIP Vita. PS4 is swallowing everything that has ever been of worth from its library.
In Japan, PS4 is getting a price drop to ~$300USD. Vita gets none.
Also there's a new Kingdom Hearts remake bundle. And Sony supposedly is still doing VR stuff.
lmao@vita
if only the nathan drake collection had included golden abyss, that would have dropped any reasons to own a vita down to 0
hoping that price cut comes stateside (((actually for currency parity reasons it should drop to $300 awdood;)))
also, new ds4 color options
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/jEnKCnR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8UkFjru.jpg)[/spoiler]
also, separately-sold colored hdd plates
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/Kj6GBQO.gif)[/spoiler]
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-15-playstation-4-is-getting-changeable-colour-plates
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-26-sony-climate-not-healthy-for-playstation-vita-successor
Quote"That's a tough question," he replied when asked about a PlayStation Vita 2. "People have mobile phones and it's so easy to play games on smartphones," Yoshida said. "And many games on smartphones are free, or free to start.
"I myself am a huge fan of PlayStation Vita and we worked really hard on designing every aspect. Touch-based games are fun - there are many games with really good design. But having sticks and buttons make things totally different.
"So I hope, like many of you, that this culture of playing portable games continues but the climate is not healthy for now because of the huge dominance of mobile gaming."
I interpret this as "I hate that the buttonless smartphone games are killing our market, but because of them, we'll stop making handhelds and just stick to PS4"
Although Vita's been on life support for years, it does (as PSP did) fill a niche that Japanese developers/players in particular appreciate. Once it's fully dead, they'll all have to either deal with non-portable consoles, smartphones with their restrictive input options and pricing ecosystem, or Nintendo handhelds with their extra hassle of two screens and weaker hardware (unless 3DS successor fixes those)
TGS seemed to indicate that just PS4 is swallowing Vita's library, but that seems a bit odd to me, considering how much Japanese people like their handheld gaming.
Quote from: Thyme on July 04, 2015, 08:05:17 AM
gotta have a quadrups to play that new fifa
which is funny: microsoft throws money at ea to bundle fifa with the xbone even in europe and a 1tb hdd, but people ignore the console
meanwhile in the us, gamestop is currently throwing in a free copy of fifa 16 with ps4s to help flush its stock of the game whilst selling the console
Quote from: Tectron on September 15, 2015, 10:19:25 PM
also, new ds4 color options
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/jEnKCnR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8UkFjru.jpg)[/spoiler]
also, separately-sold colored hdd plates
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/Kj6GBQO.gif)[/spoiler]
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-15-playstation-4-is-getting-changeable-colour-plates
steel black and especially crystal look amazing, I'd have to get those + the 20th anniversary controller if I had a ps4 lol
Get a ps4
http://www.thosegamers.com/end-of-an-era-ps3-is-officially-discontinued/
http://www.polygon.com/2015/10/2/9440505/microsoft-acquires-physics-middleware-maker-havok
i hope this means euphoria becomes the new default go-to third party physics engine
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-there-are-no-first-party-titles-that-are-in-development-for-the-playstation-vita--317122.phtml
Quote from: Thyme on October 23, 2015, 08:51:04 AM
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-there-are-no-first-party-titles-that-are-in-development-for-the-playstation-vita--317122.phtml
frankly, i don't care
Quote from: Thyme on October 23, 2015, 08:51:04 AM
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-there-are-no-first-party-titles-that-are-in-development-for-the-playstation-vita--317122.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-there-are-no-third-party-titles-that-are-in-development-for-the-nintendo-3ds--317122.phtml
na und?
Quote from: David on October 23, 2015, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: Thyme on October 23, 2015, 08:51:04 AM
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-there-are-no-first-party-titles-that-are-in-development-for-the-playstation-vita--317122.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-there-are-no-third-party-titles-that-are-in-development-for-the-nintendo-3ds--317122.phtml
na und?
http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-look-at-satoru-itawas-shriveled-up-dead-cock-in-these-crazy-post-mortum-modeling-shots-made-by-miyamoto--317122.phtml
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/10/23/sce-vice-president-on-the-possibilities-of-an-enhanced-ps4-for-ultra-hd-blu-ray/
Well here's another reason for me to put off buying a PS4 further: this new model will either be a worthwhile upgrade or it'll reduce the price of existing/non-UHD models sillydood;
Speaking of new PS4 models, Sony did silently release a second small revision a couple months ago: CUH-1200, which makes things lighter, lower-power, quieter, adds actual power+eject buttons, and removes the gloss, but in the US it only comes with 500GB for now.
do u have a 4k tv?
Quote from: David on October 24, 2015, 02:57:37 PM
do u have a 4k tv?
Yes. I bought a 2015 Sony one in July.
Besides 4K, the new UHD BD-Video format promises better video encoding and colors. Regardless, if I have the option, maybe I might as well get the one compatible with the newer blurays so I can use one if they're ever the same price as or bundled with older blurays.
There's a chance that games could use the new disc format, although for Sony's sake I hope they don't opt to fragment their console like that. Maybe PS5 will exclusively use them.
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=J7_w9iFozbs[/youtube]
[spoiler]
actually, this might be more appropriate for the only vestige of happiness thread[/spoiler]
Quote from: Tectron on November 08, 2015, 03:39:48 PM
[spoiler]actually, this might be more appropriate for the only vestige of happiness thread[/spoiler]
lol yeah, everytime i see this thread pop up in the index i'm like "what's happening to the vita
this time? awdood;"
Quote from: Tectron on November 08, 2015, 03:39:48 PM
actually, this might be more appropriate for the only vestige of happiness thread[/spoiler]
lol @_@
how can you have such poor control over yourself
Now that I have a Vita and am actually trying to use it, I realize it's kinda amazing how many ways Sony screwed up the Vita's storage management.
[spoiler]* Like PSP but unlike any other handheld gaming system ever (and unlike every console since PS2 and Gamecube), memory cards are for the first model a mandatory sold-separately accessory even for physical games.
* For the slim model, 1GB internal storage is a joke. It's impossible to find a 2014 smartphone with less than 8GB storage, even in the $100 off-contract price range. Even 3DS comes with a 2-4GB SD card in every SKU.
* Memory card prices (about 7x the price of microSD: compare $12 vs $80 for 32GB)
* 64GB memory card never released in US (well, it'd probably cost almost as much as a new Vita if it was)
* If you swap between memory cards, the Vita forgets your home screen layout
* You can't delete a game without deleting its save data
* You also can't delete individual save files without deleting them all
* You can't have multiple accounts on a Vita (or even PS TV); switching accounts requires factory resetting and possibly swapping memory cards if you don't want to wipe yours, with is particularly problematic for people who want to import games from Vita's vast localization-never library.
* There are plenty of classic games which Sony lets you play on a Vita, but doesn't let you download to one, instead requiring a roundabout process of downloading a game to a PS3 (even PSP games that the PS3 doesn't support playing) and then transferring to a Vita[/spoiler]
That's 9 points not even counting the extra issues that PS TV has. And I'm probably even missing a few.
That said, I use a 16GB memory card, which I guess is enough for me since there aren't that many more Vita games I want but don't already own physically. I'm sure that if I bought every Vita game that I already own on other platforms I'd run out of space. There (thankfully) aren't any Japanese Vita games I want enough to go through that trouble.
Quote from: bluaki on November 09, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
Now that I have a Vita and am actually trying to use it, I realize it's kinda amazing how many ways Sony screwed up the Vita's storage management.
[spoiler]* Like PSP but unlike any other handheld gaming system ever (and unlike every console since PS2 and Gamecube), memory cards are for the first model a mandatory sold-separately accessory even for physical games.
* For the slim model, 1GB internal storage is a joke. It's impossible to find a 2014 smartphone with less than 8GB storage, even in the $100 off-contract price range. Even 3DS comes with a 2-4GB SD card in every SKU.
* Memory card prices (about 7x the price of microSD: compare $12 vs $80 for 32GB)
* 64GB memory card never released in US (well, it'd probably cost almost as much as a new Vita if it was)
* If you swap between memory cards, the Vita forgets your home screen layout
* You can't delete a game without deleting its save data
* You also can't delete individual save files without deleting them all
* You can't have multiple accounts on a Vita (or even PS TV); switching accounts requires factory resetting and possibly swapping memory cards if you don't want to wipe yours, with is particularly problematic for people who want to import games from Vita's vast localization-never library.
* There are plenty of classic games which Sony lets you play on a Vita, but doesn't let you download to one, instead requiring a roundabout process of downloading a game to a PS3 (even PSP games that the PS3 doesn't support playing) and then transferring to a Vita[/spoiler]
That's 9 points not even counting the extra issues that PS TV has. And I'm probably even missing a few.
That said, I use a 16GB memory card, which I guess is enough for me since there aren't that many more Vita games I want but don't already own physically. I'm sure that if I bought every Vita game that I already own on other platforms I'd run out of space. There (thankfully) aren't any Japanese Vita games I want enough to go through that trouble.
Not that it's a good excuse, but I believe they made it like that to combat the fact that people homebrewed the shit outta their psp's
Quote from: Jojo on November 09, 2015, 11:49:58 AM
Not that it's a good excuse, but I believe they made it like that to combat the fact that people homebrewed the shit outta their psp's
That's just the excuse for using proprietary memory cards at all. Anti-piracy has nothing to do with anything I listed, including those proprietary memory cards being so overpriced.
Having a proprietary memory card should increase the price a little compared to a standard like microSD just on the virtue of having only one manufacturer. For example, when I say a 32GB card might cost $12, that's only one of the SanDisk cards I found in a quick Amazon search (and not coincidentally the #1 most popular card), but it's entirely possible to find those cards also at about $20. But not $80.
Out of all accessories to throw an enormous profit margin on, from a console manufacturer's perspective, a memory card is just about the worst choice. Normally their biggest source of revenue is games (with digital games being even more profitable than physical), but insanely overpriced memory cards goes directly against the idea of wanting people to buy more digital games or DLC.
Quote from: bluaki on November 09, 2015, 12:11:03 PM
Quote from: Jojo on November 09, 2015, 11:49:58 AM
Not that it's a good excuse, but I believe they made it like that to combat the fact that people homebrewed the shit outta their psp's
That's just the excuse for using proprietary memory cards at all. Anti-piracy has nothing to do with anything I listed, including those proprietary memory cards being so overpriced.
Having a proprietary memory card should increase the price a little compared to a standard like microSD just on the virtue of having only one manufacturer. For example, when I say a 32GB card might cost $12, that's only one of the SanDisk cards I found in a quick Amazon search (and not coincidentally the #1 most popular card), but it's entirely possible to find those cards also at about $20. But not $80.
Out of all accessories to throw an enormous profit margin on, from a console manufacturer's perspective, a memory card is just about the worst choice. Normally their biggest source of revenue is games (with digital games being even more profitable than physical), but insanely overpriced memory cards goes directly against the idea of wanting people to buy more digital games or DLC.
true
Quote from: Snowy on November 08, 2015, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: Tectron on November 08, 2015, 03:39:48 PM
[youtube][youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=J7_w9iFozbs[/youtube][/youtube]
[spoiler]
actually, this might be more appropriate for the only vestige of happiness thread[/spoiler]
tec was that you?
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/11/14/why-the-paris-isis-terrorists-used-ps4-to-plan-attacks/
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/11/19/beyond-two-souls-coming-to-ps4-on-nov-24th-heavy-rain-out-next-year/
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lmao
[spoiler]i'd get heavy rain[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
on ps3, maybe
but beyond two souls is one of the most pretentious, cliched, poorly-written pieces of lifetime drama ever conceived[/spoiler]
Quote from: Tectron on November 19, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
[spoiler]
on ps3, maybe
but beyond two souls is one of the most pretentious, cliched, poorly-written pieces of lifetime drama ever conceived[/spoiler]
[spoiler=génuine opinion]i like beyond two souls[/spoiler]
heavy rain is way worse than beyond imo
but they're both complete shit
I like heavy rain
its... heavy goowan
apparently valkyria chronicles is also getting a ps4 remaster. it will also have a demo in it for new valkyria chronicles that's also on ps4 due late 2016
I might be down for picking up that remaster. i imagine its trophies will be super easy
easy
EASY
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on November 19, 2015, 08:32:51 PM
apparently valkyria chronicles is also getting a ps4 remaster. it will also have a demo in it for new valkyria chronicles that's also on ps4 due late 2016
Not confirmed for US release yet. Only Japan.
A lot of remasters never get localized. It's especially probable for a series whose four-year-old most recent entry also has never gotten a translation.
Quote from: bluaki on November 19, 2015, 08:55:07 PM
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on November 19, 2015, 08:32:51 PM
apparently valkyria chronicles is also getting a ps4 remaster. it will also have a demo in it for new valkyria chronicles that's also on ps4 due late 2016
Not confirmed for US release yet. Only Japan.
A lot of remasters never get localized. It's especially probable for a series whose four-year-old most recent entry also has never gotten a translation.
let me hope blu
PS2 Emulation is coming http://kotaku.com/ps2-emulation-coming-to-the-ps4-1743685377
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on November 19, 2015, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: bluaki on November 19, 2015, 08:55:07 PM
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on November 19, 2015, 08:32:51 PM
apparently valkyria chronicles is also getting a ps4 remaster. it will also have a demo in it for new valkyria chronicles that's also on ps4 due late 2016
Not confirmed for US release yet. Only Japan.
A lot of remasters never get localized. It's especially probable for a series whose four-year-old most recent entry also has never gotten a translation.
let me hope blu
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on November 19, 2015, 09:54:03 PM
PS2 Emulation is coming http://kotaku.com/ps2-emulation-coming-to-the-ps4-1743685377
sweet. hopefully it DOES work xbone/360 style and let you use discs
guys this is the bad sony news thread, use the good sony news thread for good sony news baddood;
Quote from: Whyme on November 20, 2015, 04:23:07 AM
guys this is the bad sony news thread, use the good sony news thread for good sony news baddood;
all sony news is good news
Quote from: Whyme on November 20, 2015, 04:23:07 AM
guys this is the bad sony news thread, use the good sony news thread for good sony news baddood;
i would say that barely if at all qualifies as good news
what ps2 emulation means is that a very limited selection of ps2 titles will be put up for sale on psn while ps2 discs remain artificially incompatible with the ps4
but i want proper backwards compatibility awdood;
Quote from: Tectron on November 20, 2015, 04:31:25 PM
Quote from: Whyme on November 20, 2015, 04:23:07 AM
guys this is the bad sony news thread, use the good sony news thread for good sony news baddood;
i would say that barely if at all qualifies as good news
what ps2 emulation means is that a very limited selection of ps2 titles will be put up for sale on psn while ps2 discs remain artificially incompatible with the ps4
but i want proper backwards compatibility awdood;
fuckin this
Quote from: Tectron on November 20, 2015, 04:31:25 PM
Quote from: Whyme on November 20, 2015, 04:23:07 AM
guys this is the bad sony news thread, use the good sony news thread for good sony news baddood;
i would say that barely if at all qualifies as good news
what ps2 emulation means is that a very limited selection of ps2 titles will be put up for sale on psn while ps2 discs remain artificially incompatible with the ps4
but i want proper backwards compatibility awdood;
i dunno. my impression was that they ARE working to have discs work via emulation just like 360.
I mean they could just take the lazy route and port over the existing ps2 selection that's already on ps3's psn but i hope they would do better
i have learned to stop having high or even moderate expectations for game companies
rest assured, sony will find some way to disappoint
http://gearnuke.com/sony-temporarily-raises-digital-game-prices-ahead-launching-new-promotion-playstation-store/#
as soon as i start to think they can't possibly top themselves, $on¥ somehow always manages to discover a new way to make me hate them just a little bit more
b-buy sony would never take advantage of its loyal customers like those greedy bastards at m$ft, r-right
#4theplayers
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-exec-defends-ps2-on-ps4-price-points/1100-6433256/
why does anybody like this guy again
oh yeah, he looks great in contrast with mattrick, who has been dead for years and now only exists as a convenient strawman for sony tolerators to cling to
sony's psp-ps3-psv cross play feature for classic games was the ideal model, a standard for the rest of the industry to emulate
enter the ps4, and suddenly they're worse than nintendo when it comes to cossplay: the only option is to buy your retro games again, at full price (in fact, $5 more, from $10 on ps3/psp to $15 on ps4)
the addition of trophies does not excuse this
even backwards nintendo, who i've long said should be following sony's old crossplay model, gives you the ability to pay to ""'upgrade""" virtual console titles already owned on wii to their wii u versions at a discount
this is not something the customer should have to pay for at all, but at least with nintendo you're only paying 1/10 of the full price
now with the ps4 you don't even get that option, and the industry continues merrily onward in its race to the bottom
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2016/01/06/ps4-has-apparently-been-hacked/
#GreatnessAwaits
Quote from: Tectron on January 06, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2016/01/06/ps4-has-apparently-been-hacked/
#GreatnessAwaits
finally you can play a good game on the ps4
Quote from: Tectron on January 06, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2016/01/06/ps4-has-apparently-been-hacked/
#GreatnessAwaits
to be honest, the fact that it took over two years for this is amazing
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/01/07/ps4-game-prices-canada-risen-85/
The Sorry State of the Trudeau Economy
stay strong, thyme
lmao
QuoteDaoust: If something’s even $85, it doesn’t matter how good it is, how great of an experience it is â€" if they just can’t afford it, then it really might as well not exist. We’re going for the mainstream, but time will tell what the market is.
but hey i just got far cry 4 and dragon age: inquisition for $20 and $30 respectively so giggle;
greatness awaits (those who wait)
oh and hey btw last night my ps4 wouldn't turn back on from rest mode so i had to unplug the power cable
luckily it turned back on
but now i'll have to live in fear of it bricking for the rest of its potentially short lifetime
greatness awaits 5thgrade;
Quote from: Whyme on January 08, 2016, 05:12:59 AM
oh and hey btw last night my ps4 wouldn't turn back on from rest mode so i had to unplug the power cable
luckily it turned back on
but now i'll have to live in fear of it bricking for the rest of its potentially short lifetime
greatness awaits 5thgrade;
#4theplayers
Power to the players goowan
Quote from: Whyme on January 08, 2016, 05:12:59 AM
oh and hey btw last night my ps4 wouldn't turn back on from rest mode so i had to unplug the power cable
luckily it turned back on
but now i'll have to live in fear of it bricking for the rest of its potentially short lifetime
greatness awaits 5thgrade;
i've never had this, but i've had weird issues with the store not wanting to open coming out of "rest" mode
Quote from: David on January 08, 2016, 10:51:07 AM
Quote from: Whyme on January 08, 2016, 05:12:59 AM
oh and hey btw last night my ps4 wouldn't turn back on from rest mode so i had to unplug the power cable
luckily it turned back on
but now i'll have to live in fear of it bricking for the rest of its potentially short lifetime
greatness awaits 5thgrade;
i've never had this, but i've had weird issues with the store not wanting to open coming out of "rest" mode
I've had rest mode fail to turn on my ps4 once.
Apparently people are saying it's just a problem that came with the last major system update.
once my ps4 made me breakfast but then it turns out everything was made of paper mache
QuoteDue to the recent PlayStation®Network interruption we are giving you a 1-DAY® extension to your PlayStation®Plus membership. Please redeem the following voucher code by March 31, 2016, 11:59 PM PST:
Thanks Sony!! 5thgrade;
Quote from: Tectron on January 15, 2016, 07:04:04 PM
QuoteDue to the recent PlayStation®Network interruption we are giving you a 1-DAY® extension to your PlayStation®Plus membership. Please redeem the following voucher code by March 31, 2016, 11:59 PM PST:
Thanks Sony!! 5thgrade;
aw i want one
[spoiler]though my 1 year card is coming in the mail lol get ready 4 me to playstation homies[/spoiler]
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/01/sony-moves-playstation-to-the-us-with-new-company-sony-interactive-entertainment/
Sony Interactive Entertainment is (or will be as of April) a new, US-based company that combines Sony Computer Entertainment with Sony Network Entertainment to handle basically everything PlayStation. Andrew House is the president and CEO.
So PlayStation isn't Japanese anymore. hocuspocus;
Quote from: bluaki on January 26, 2016, 09:03:41 AM
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/01/sony-moves-playstation-to-the-us-with-new-company-sony-interactive-entertainment/
Sony Interactive Entertainment is (or will be as of April) a new, US-based company that combines Sony Computer Entertainment with Sony Network Entertainment to handle basically everything PlayStation. Andrew House is the president and CEO.
So PlayStation isn't Japanese anymore. hocuspocus;
sony is predicting the future under president trump
BRING BACK EVERY JOB ALL JOBS ARE AMERICAN NOW
http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/02/28/sony-ends-shipping-of-platstation-vita-in-japan/ (http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/02/28/sony-ends-shipping-of-platstation-vita-tv-in-japan/)
this didn't happen yet? I'm surprised...
Quote from: Loto on February 28, 2016, 08:39:32 PM
this didn't happen yet? I'm surprised...
As far as I've seen (in US of course) most stores don't seem to ever get more stock of VitaTV anymore. A lot of them even delisted it from their sites.
Whatever shipments may supposedly still exist in the US are probably on very tiny scales.
Quote from: Tectron on February 28, 2016, 08:30:00 PM
http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/02/28/sony-ends-shipping-of-platstation-vita-in-japan/ (http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/02/28/sony-ends-shipping-of-platstation-vita-tv-in-japan/)
whelp time to pay the import tax
The problem isn't those, it's more the abysmal colour selection Sony has forsaken us with. Sure I could buy a GameStop refurbished one but then I'd be taking chances at it being scratched and abused.
Quote from: David on February 29, 2016, 08:09:53 AM
the abysmal colour selection
Do you want black? Or... black with Lego Movie The Game bundled?
At least the handheld Vita just got its first not-black color option in America just a couple months ago: light blue. Meanwhile, Japan gets special edition Vitas for everything: Persona, Miku, Gundam, Final Fantasy X, etc.
I want that metal slime vita.
Quote from: bluaki on February 29, 2016, 07:12:02 PM
Quote from: David on February 29, 2016, 08:09:53 AM
the abysmal colour selection
Do you want black? Or... black with Lego Movie The Game bundled?
At least the handheld Vita just got its first not-black color option in America just a couple months ago: light blue. Meanwhile, Japan gets special edition Vitas for everything: Persona, Miku, Gundam, Final Fantasy X, etc.
we got white bundled with ass creed vita for some reason lol awdood;
http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/29/sony-to-shutter-its-native-psp-store-at-the-end-of-march/
pls massive closing sale, i need some shit for my psTV
well it looks like i might be buying a vita tomorrow since the price is below $185 on import sites now
Quote from: https://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/ps4-mod-update/2016/09/09/199
After months of discussion with Sony, we regret to say that while we have long been ready to offer mod support on PlayStation 4, Sony has informed us they will not approve user mods the way they should work: where users can do anything they want for either Fallout 4 or Skyrim Special Edition.
Like you, we are disappointed by Sony’s decision given the considerable time and effort we have put into this project, and the amount of time our fans have waited for mod support to arrive. We consider this an important initiative and we hope to find other ways user mods can be available for our PlayStation audience. However, until Sony will allow us to offer proper mod support for PS4, that content for Fallout 4 and Skyrim on PlayStation 4 will not be available.
We will provide an update if and when this situation changes.
#4theplayers #greatnessawaits
I'm not surprised. Though I was surprised that Microsoft allowed mods. But maybe they kinda had to at this point to make some gains after the xbox one launch and kinect. (I'm assuming the sales still aren't good)
is sony taking Apple's cues by offering a premium model and locked down ecosystem
the problem with that strategy is that it's not cool 4 skool to own an unattractive brick
Quote from: [BANNED] on September 09, 2016, 11:35:40 PM
I'm not surprised. Though I was surprised that Microsoft allowed mods. But maybe they kinda had to at this point to make some gains after the xbox one launch and kinect. (I'm assuming the sales still aren't good)
so was i considering TF2 died out of the gate on Xbox 360 because Msoft wanted to charge loony prices per update so Valve basically left it at the vanilla version
also weird because sony allowed mods on the PS3 version of Unreal Tourny 3
and for today's delusional sony comment:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/09/29/playstation-creator-ken-kutaragi-is-like-a-japanese-steve-jobs-says-former-sony-exec-a-ign-unfiltered
sony execs must spend every morning in tears when they wake up to a stark reminder that they still aren't, and never will be, apple
Switch is the final nail in Vita's coffin y/n
Until now, Vita at least filled the niche of the most powerful mainstream-ish gaming handheld that has buttons and can run basically any normal game, which makes Japanese devs in particular love it because Japanese people like their handheld gaming.
Switch clearly outdoes Vita in performance, while Sony has almost definitely completely given up on ever releasing another handheld. As far as developers are concerned, Switch is just a normal single-screen handheld, like Vita and GBA.
sony was the final nail in vita's coffin
and the only nail in vita's coffin
The nice thing for me, is that the vita is still alive, albeit on life support.
Superdimension Neptunia just came out on Tuesday
you know....... sometimes i think of getting a vita so i can play my remaining ps1 classics and my tripple is kind of an unreliable piece of shit now goowan
tho i might be best served by a PSTV??? idk
i've been semi-interested in owning a vita tv but honestly i don't know what i'd do with it
the few vita exclusives i'd be interested in are incompatible with it (of course) and the ps3 and ps4 have all its other features covered
but if you're specifically looking for a miniaturized digital-only ps1, i can't imagine there's any other product out there that would fill that niche more effectively than the vita tv