Literally The Current Year And We're Still Having Abortion Debates (On Boyah)

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@ypr a zygote is technically living in the same way a brain cell or a cancer cell is living. it can't survive on its own and therefore cannot be a victim of homicide imo

you are correct of course, but

imo

there is no need for this

when you're citing a verified scientific fact, it's not a matter of your personal opinion

disclaiming yourself with 'imo' only makes your argument seem insecure

so you can say confidently:

@ypr, In Fact™, a zygote is technically living in the same way a brain cell or a cancer cell is living. it can't survive on its own and therefore cannot be a victim of homicide

of course this is only true if you're using the strictly legal definition of homicide, which ypr has not been doing

and, of course, this would annoy the absolute out of whomstsoever you're arguing with, rofl

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of course, you may only speak with confidence on factual matters if you're getting your facts from valid, generally accepted scientific sources

you know, for you slimy new york liberals out there who like to cite the mommy blog of the week, moronic editorials, and absolute shit like The Cuckington Post as """fact""" [/spoiler]

[Thyme]

abort this thread tbh

abort this thread, in fact^TM

[Kalahari Inkantation]

i lol'd

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but cite your sources boyo[/spoiler]

[rdl]

abort this thread tbh

abort this dick fam

[Thyme]

i lol'd

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but cite your sources boyo[/spoiler]

1. Gibbings, Aaron. "Literally The Current Year And We're Still Having Abortion Debates (On Boyah)." Boyah, http://boyah.net/forums/index.php/topic,68858.0.html. Accessed 10 May 2017.

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my first scientific citation

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In this moment, I am euphoric.

Not because of any phony god’s blessing.

But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.[/spoiler]

[YPrrrr]

@ypr a zygote is technically living in the same way a brain cell or a cancer cell is living. it can't survive on its own and therefore cannot be a victim of homicide imo

you are correct of course, but

imo

there is no need for this

when you're citing a verified scientific fact, it's not a matter of your personal opinion

disclaiming yourself with 'imo' only makes your argument seem insecure

so you can say confidently:

@ypr, In Factâ,,¢, a zygote is technically living in the same way a brain cell or a cancer cell is living. it can't survive on its own and therefore cannot be a victim of homicide

of course this is only true if you're using the strictly legal definition of homicide, which ypr has not been doing

and, of course, this would annoy the absolute out of whomstsoever you're arguing with, rofl

[spoiler=disclaimer]

of course, you may only speak with confidence on factual matters if you're getting your facts from valid, generally accepted scientific sources

you know, for you slimy new york liberals out there who like to cite the mommy blog of the week, moronic editorials, and absolute shit like The Cuckington Post as """fact""" [/spoiler]

I guess you didn't read the link explaining the difference between those types of cells by an embryologist.

From law.com:

"the killing of a human being due to the act or omission of another. Included among homicides are murder and manslaughter, but not all homicides are a crime, particularly when there is a lack of criminal intent. Non-criminal homicides include killing in self-defense, a misadventure like a hunting accident or automobile wreck without a violation of law like reckless driving, or legal (government) execution. Suicide is a homicide, but in most cases there is no one to prosecute if the suicide is successful. Assisting or attempting suicide can be a crime."

How does it not fit that definition. The legal definition.

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human being

define this term

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human being

define this term

any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member of the species Homo sapiens.

As a human zygote is an individual lifeform based on its genome, it is therefore a human being. Cancer and brain cells are not individuals

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any individual

a zygote, like an isolated brain cell, cannot live (in the biological sense, or in terms of consciousness) as an individual

any formal definition of zygote, embryo, blastocyst, fetus, or other named stage of development is extremely careful to avoid equating that developmental phase with 'human being'

see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blastocyst
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus

i acknowledge that these definitions can seem crudely clinical, but they are strictly factual

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any individual

a zygote cannot live (in the biological sense, or in terms of consciousness) as an individual

any formal definition of zygote, embryo, blastocyst, fetus, or other named stage of development is extremely careful to avoid equating that developmental phase with 'human being'

see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blastocyst
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus

i acknowledge that these definitions can seem crudely clinical, but they are strictly factual

That is irrelevant to if it is a living human being. A 6 month old fetus would die outside the womb without medical support are you saying that isnt human?

So I post an article from an Embryologist and that's not factual? Okay lol. I guess wikipedia is a better source than people who study this for a living. Yes wikipedia is strictly clinical but the doctor isn't... oh wait but since Wikipedia is strictly clinical, strictly factual look at its definition of homicide: "Homicide refers to one human killing another. " No mention of "being" there either!

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An 8 month old fetus would die outside the womb without medical support are you saying that isnt human.

i (personally) am not necessarily saying that

also this is an irrelevant point as third-trimester abortions are illegal virtually everywhere, except in cases of life-threatening circumstances to the expectant mother

see this histogram: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg
see these poll results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#By_trimester_of_pregnancy

see this piece of legislation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial-Birth_Abortion_Ban_Act

So I post an article from an Embryologist and that's not factual?

i might have just missed it lol

what was the article and what was the relevant point

Yes wikipedia is strictly clinical but the doctor isn't...

and yet a doctor who refuses to perform a legally sanctioned abortion gets into Deep Sh*t

"Homicide refers to one human killing another. " No mention of "being" there either!

'homicide: the killing of a human hair follicle by a human'

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(And I know old boyah/outsider/nsider loved playing semantics.)

this is indeed a very Old Boyah thread lol

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yes that is exactly what i said

that's still a lot longer than a zygote would survive for

but it's ultimately a meaningless distinction and does nothing to back up your point. It's a bad argument and I don't know why boyagers keep using it. (Part of the problem is that it's too broad)

[don't let's]

(And I know old boyah/outsider/nsider loved playing semantics.)

this is indeed a very Old Boyah thread lol

the whole semantics thing was horrible years ago because it made me be super redundant and have to over explain myself in these kinds of threads. And it had to be that way because I knew certain people would twist my words or purposely take them to mean something else other than the clearly intended meaning. And then they would harp on that misinterpretation instead of staying on track.