Literally The Current Year And We're Still Having Abortion Debates (On Boyah)

[Kalahari Inkantation]

If abortion is necessary  you could also easily argue euthanasia of the those who require assistance to continue to live or function is necessary for the benefit of others. Often throughout history murder is sugarcoated as being purportedly for the greater good or benefit of a people or society or even a singular persons situation

you're dipping into the moral here though

i'm not making any moral arguments whatsoever

[YPrrrr]

If abortion is necessary  you could also easily argue euthanasia of the those who require assistance to continue to live or function is necessary for the benefit of others. Often throughout history murder is sugarcoated as being purportedly for the greater good or benefit of a people or society or even a singular persons situation

you're dipping into the moral here though

i'm not making any moral arguments whatsoever

True but if you preclude morality really why shouldn't euthanasia be just as necessary. Seems practical

[Kalahari Inkantation]

If abortion is necessary  you could also easily argue euthanasia of the those who require assistance to continue to live or function is necessary for the benefit of others. Often throughout history murder is sugarcoated as being purportedly for the greater good or benefit of a people or society or even a singular persons situation

you're dipping into the moral here though

i'm not making any moral arguments whatsoever

True but if you preclude morality really why shouldn't euthanasia be just as necessary. Seems practical

well, i'm not precluding morality either lol

i just don't think it's relevant here, my 'old world vs. new world' argument is completely amoral

[Kalahari Inkantation]

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but again you're introducing morality into an entirely amoral argument with that abortion thing [/spoiler]

[YPrrrr]

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but again you're introducing morality into an entirely amoral argument with that abortion thing [/spoiler]

how do you separate morality from murder without it being inconsequential

[Kalahari Inkantation]

oh lord, now we're getting Old World

[YPrrrr]

Why would killing anyone be wrong other than if you attach morality to the situation tho

[Kalahari Inkantation]

Why would killing anyone be wrong other than if you attach morality to the situation tho

example 4:

old world thinking: abortion is murder

new world thinking: my body my choice

please identify where any moral argument is being made in either of these clauses

[YPrrrr]

You called abortion a necessary evil does not evil imply morality?

[Kalahari Inkantation]

also i misquoted in my deletion splitting confusion

combined thinking, using the previous example: abortion is a necessary evil that should always be readily available to those who might benefit from it, but we must work towards minimizing abortion rates

this is where i'm asking to identify the moral argument

[Kalahari Inkantation]

You called abortion a necessary evil does not evil imply morality?

ah, now i understand you

i worded it dramatically for effect, but personally i don't necessarily agree that it's "evil"

my opinion is that it can be an emotionally unpleasant solution to a legitimate social problem akin to executing stray animals, but i would argue that that is an amoral position

[YPrrrr]

I would agree that that is amoral but that undermines murder as a concept technically.

If abortion = murder to the old school then you can substitute one for the other.

Therefore you could argue murder can be  an emotionally unpleasant solution to a legitimate social problem akin to executing stray animals

Population control is population control unless you add specific parameters to what you can and cannot cull. How would you pick those parameters in a way that wouldn't utilize some semblance of morality?

Idk I don't see it

[Kalahari Inkantation]

"abortion = murder" is not actually my personal argument

it's an exaggerated old world argument

if some old worlder out there legitimately is making the argument that abortion == murder, then i'm not going to even try defending them lol

my personal opinion, as expressed on the previous page, is amoral

[YPrrrr]

I know it's not your argument that is very clear lol

It's not exaggerated though why would anyone care if they didn't believe it was murder?

Idk it's disappointing you start out wanting to create compromises but then reneg once a viewpoint doesn't fit your new world view. You can't amorally mediate a moral issue

[C.Mongler]

im aborting this thread