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In a word? Depression.
I don't think that constitutes a wrong.
Quote from: Socks on May 01, 2012, 12:23:06 PM
I don't think that constitutes a wrong.
If it bothers him, it is.
Stop avoiding people then. Get out. Exercise. Do whatever to keep yourself busy and keep yourself from thinking too much.
Alternatively, take up heavy drinking
Quote from: Snowy on May 01, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
Well I do know where the liquor cabinet is, so this is very plausible.
unless you're an author or artist or something i would steer clear of that.
What people told me to do was seek out a counselor, but I believe you're already seeing one if I'm not mistaken.
Echo is right in that you should get out and exercise and see people, but I know just as well as you do that it's easier said than done.
I went through the same thing when I was your age. I tell you this just about every time you post one of these threads. It's normal. We all went through the weird high school stage. I know when I was in high school I was very socially awkward and couldn't really communicate with other people. But then I signed up for the high school drama club and I eventually found a love for acting. You just need some way to constructively channel these feelings of depression. To "get your mind off things" as Echo put it.
but yeah, most of (if not all) have been in that weird place where we don't want to talk to people or get anything done. I almost let it happen to me today. But you have to grab hold of your life and say "I'm a human being" and don't let that happen to you. However it's been said many many times and you're the only one who can make a change in your life. Part of growing up is addressing issues instead of ignoring them. If you do the same thing over and over you're going to get the same result.
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Quote from: Cirno on May 01, 2012, 12:28:29 PM
If it bothers him, it is.
Maybe, but confusion is the best place to make decision like that from.
Life should in some respects be unhappy, and seem strange, even gray. I still feel like a street light sometimes, stuck in one place and always stooped over, shinning, but to oblivious passers by, never able to fully stretch upward, and maybe once stare at the sky, instead of the ground. Then there are times where an old man walks on by, his flaws and doom visible at once, while on the other side walks a girl, so concerned with her looks and image, such contrast of pure humility and complete vanity. Then there's me, unconcerned about what comes next, as long as I have this moment to live in.
Well yeah, you need stress in your life. A life with no problems means no betterment.
Quote from: Cirno on May 01, 2012, 04:24:38 PM
Well yeah, you need stress in your life. A life with no problems means no betterment.
Uhh you couldn't have misinterpreted my statement any more than you did or say something as horrible as you just uttered. Stress kills, dissent, dissatisfaction, that's what builds. Betterment doesn't exist, just a more clarified position of what you believe in and what you loathe.
don't give snowy any advice
because it'd be useless for the depressed (they might feel guilty and give more reinforcement for their vicious loop)
at best, you can just relate with him to make him feel at least comfortable like what notsid's doing and subtly give him encouragement
Quote from: Snowy on May 01, 2012, 02:36:34 PM
yeah, I'll probably star working out in my room or something idk. I know that I should be around people but I don't want to be such a downer around them, which creates a loop that can never end until I just get over this. I'm in the school band but I hate it and I'm so close to the end of the year that I might as well stay in it for the credits. I'll probably pick up drawing or something soon that is very time consuming.
you don't really need to be around people if you don't want to
are you starting to become socially anxious?
TELL US MORE JUICY DETAILS ABOUT YOUR GEIGH LIFE
Quote from: Socks on May 01, 2012, 04:29:18 PM
Uhh you couldn't have misinterpreted my statement any more than you did or say something as horrible as you just uttered. Stress kills, dissent, dissatisfaction, that's what builds. Betterment doesn't exist, just a more clarified position of what you believe in and what you loathe.
I didn't interpret your post at all, I simply added what I consider to be a negative that is necessary for life. Betterment to me
is more clarity in one's life, not some sort of level of actually being better in some way than one was before. So I don't disagree with you at all, I'm just wording it completely differently.
Apparently so differently that it bothered you.
Quote from: Clucky on May 01, 2012, 06:27:05 PM
at best, you can just relate with him to make him feel at least comfortable like what notsid's doing and subtly give him encouragement
i can't say i often agree with you, but now seems to be one of those rare times
at least, that's how it was with me when i was at my lowest. straight-up "advice" usually just annoyed me, particularly from people who seemingly didn't much understand me in the first place. that's what it felt like when i was in middle school as well.
actually, i think it was 9th grade, so high school.
Quote from: Cirno on May 01, 2012, 06:29:21 PM
Apparently so differently that it bothered you.
I smiled.
Also who says you have to be comfortable around people in social situations all the time? What some term 'social anxiety' I see as self awareness. It's not a phase or a problem, just a personality perception thing.
Not Being on the COmputer / watching tv / playing videeogames All the time Literally helps your brain w/ social Shit like that.
Then you're just a pussy if you can't even enjoy yourself in a crowd.
I didn't think a single word could affect me that much. saddood;
Quote from: Snowy on May 01, 2012, 07:09:17 PM
I'm not saying that I have to be comfortable, I just feel uncomfortable in most social situations. I was at a party 2 weeks ago and I almost couldn't handle it. There were so many people that I didn't know and I was too scared to try to talk to anyone.
smoke a blunt bro
it helps your anxiety
Quote from: Haunter on May 01, 2012, 07:17:34 PM
smoke a blunt bro
it helps your anxiety
or, you know, make it Worse. just speaking from my own expierence tho.
Quote from: Haunter on May 01, 2012, 07:17:34 PM
smoke a blunt bro
it helps your anxiety
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ3XE84bw6k[/youtube]
Quote from: Snowy on May 01, 2012, 07:21:08 PM
yeah I'm not getting into drugs
You're an Idiot, cannabis ins't a drug, it's nature's gift that helps alleviate your pain and stress doodthing;
Quote from: H.P. Lovecat on May 01, 2012, 07:18:40 PM
or, you know, make it Worse. just speaking from my own expierence tho.
I could see how that could be, but the blunt it not the issue here. It's OK if you're marginalized in a so called 'party' which are in themselves cesspools for degenerates, mostly, at least at this age group and with this social crowd. So it's not anything important. But still Snowy, you should just be able to hang around, watch things, think things, and be alright with it in your own way.
I don't understand why there's this automatic fucking need to diagnose a dry spell as some kind of inherent and treatable flaw. Call it a dry spell and keep walking in one direction.
Everybody has shitty days and shitty weeks and even shitty months. Instead of trying to find definition, find some results.
Quote from: Socks on May 01, 2012, 07:23:06 PM
I could see how that could be, but the blunt it not the issue here. It's OK if you're marginalized in a so called 'party' which are in themselves cesspools for degenerates, mostly, at least at this age group and with this social crowd. So it's not anything important.
you're just rationalizing now, which won't help reach what snowy wants
he can either:
1) devalue socialization
or
2) learn skills to handle with socialization that will grant him more opportunities
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on May 01, 2012, 07:35:00 PM
I don't understand why there's this automatic fucking need to diagnose a dry spell as some kind of inherent and treatable flaw. Call it a dry spell and keep walking in one direction.
Everybody has shitty days and shitty weeks and even shitty months. Instead of trying to find definition, find some results.
i dunno i guess diagnoses are mildly helpful in helping to find those specific list of actions needed to create good results
they shouldn't really dictate anything, which what contemporary psychiatric practices do anyways
also yeah, i remember you have problems with being pushed over by kids
and something vaguely about bullying?
what do you feel when you meet a stranger in a room?
and what do you usually think when you do?
Quote from: Clucky on May 01, 2012, 07:57:47 PM
you're just rationalizing now, which won't help reach what snowy wants
he can either:
1) devalue socialization
or
2) learn skills to handle with socialization that will grant him more opportunities
I wasn't rationalizing I was being truthful. From my personal experience, the people at these gatherings are just misguided young people with no prospects and no sense of life, just looking for a trashy 'fun' time with other like minded individuals that support that sort of behavior and perspective. If anything, Snowy is ahead of the curb. I have very few lasting memories or any sort of powerful impression from any of these events which I have convinced myself to attend.
I was depressed freshman, sophomore, and most of junior year at high school. I guess it was just a phase (albeit abnormal).
I think I was worse than you. I never went out. I could not imagine going to a party at that time :(
i never went to a single high school party
i was laughed at by the Popular Kids and cried in my room
i'm still socially avoidant to the point of inventing conspiracies to force myself out of situations
I used to think i had compensated by advancing some relationships and gaining material security but materiality is cold and most people have abused my trust
now I've come to terms with the fact that i am a demented monster
it never gets better life is a trap
Quote from: Clucky on May 01, 2012, 07:57:47 PM
you're just rationalizing now, which won't help reach what snowy wants
he can either:
1) devalue socialization
or
2) learn skills to handle with socialization that will grant him more opportunities i dunno i guess diagnoses are mildly helpful in helping to find those specific list of actions needed to create good results
they shouldn't really dictate anything, which what contemporary psychiatric practices do anyways
also yeah, i remember you have problems with being pushed over by kids
and something vaguely about bullying?
what do you feel when you meet a stranger in a room?
and what do you usually think when you do?
Yeah But
"I have absolutely no motivation to do anything other than sleep, I've been avoiding my friends and people in general, and I've just been gloomy for the past few days.
I honestly cannot think of one thing I want to do other than sleeping and I'm not even tired. Sleep is the only thing that sounds appealing."He framed it as the past few days though. It's stupid to say "welp, you're obviously depressed" after a few shitty days.
Quote from: Socks on May 01, 2012, 04:20:19 PM
Maybe, but confusion is the best place to make decision like that from.
Life should in some respects be unhappy, and seem strange, even gray. I still feel like a street light sometimes, stuck in one place and always stooped over, shinning, but to oblivious passers by, never able to fully stretch upward, and maybe once stare at the sky, instead of the ground. Then there are times where an old man walks on by, his flaws and doom visible at once, while on the other side walks a girl, so concerned with her looks and image, such contrast of pure humility and complete vanity. Then there's me, unconcerned about what comes next, as long as I have this moment to live in.
But a street light does serve its purpose and does help people out during the dark hours.
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on May 01, 2012, 08:12:58 PM
He framed it as the past few days though. It's stupid to say "welp, you're obviously depressed" after a few shitty days.
I think the term depression is like addressing an itch without knowing what a rash is. Life is a very personal affair, some things you can control, others you cannot, but fundamentally we are always the source of our own understating. Once you relinquish that, it doesn't matter how you feel, as it's just a small boat in a vast, lonely ocean.
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on May 01, 2012, 08:17:40 PM
But a street light does serve its purpose and does help people out during the dark hours.
That's a heavy price to pay for the street light.
Quote from: Socks on May 01, 2012, 08:24:11 PM
That's a heavy price to pay for the street light.
But you must remember that it does not know anything different and is incapable of knowing anything different.
Quote from: Socks on May 01, 2012, 08:01:49 PM
I wasn't rationalizing I was being truthful. From my personal experience, the people at these gatherings are just misguided young people with no prospects and no sense of life, just looking for a trashy 'fun' time with other like minded individuals that support that sort of behavior and perspective. If anything, Snowy is ahead of the curb. I have very few lasting memories or any sort of powerful impression from any of these events which I have convinced myself to attend.
yeah, from your own 'personal' experience
doesn't mean it's embedded in reality, whatever that is
and you can't just generalize people like that, they're here to have fun
to forget, to escape, so of course they'll seem superficial
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on May 01, 2012, 08:12:58 PM
Yeah But "I have absolutely no motivation to do anything other than sleep, I've been avoiding my friends and people in general, and I've just been gloomy for the past few days.
I honestly cannot think of one thing I want to do other than sleeping and I'm not even tired. Sleep is the only thing that sounds appealing."
He framed it as the past few days though. It's stupid to say "welp, you're obviously depressed" after a few shitty days.
oh, well of course
but depression comes in different shades (it's just a way of describing a general color, when hundreds of shades of that color exists)
and it takes different steps and different treatments and different ways to help them because people are different
asking him questions helps refine awareness
general cliche self-help answers are fine and dandy for some, but they're hard for others
his depression may fade away because it may be a teenage phase
perhaps they're the cause of environmental stress
maybe he can't reach his goals
there's a lot of causes and reasons
and to find the reasons can help him find results
and even if it was a teenage phase and he had no real root causing his sadness his feelings are still valid and authentic
(also i didn't read that post you've quoted cry; i was distracted by everyone else)
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on May 01, 2012, 08:27:59 PM
But you must remember that it does not know anything different and is incapable of knowing anything different.
And yet here I am, inspired by its plight, whenever I see the stooping, bent neck of a majestic and indignant street light. Forever destined to remain still and hunched.
Quote from: Clucky on May 01, 2012, 08:32:10 PM
yeah, from your own 'personal' experience
doesn't mean it's embedded in reality, whatever that is
and you can't just generalize people like that, they're here to have fun
to forget, to escape, so of course they'll seem superficial
Sorry if it struck a chord, it wasn't easy for me to say either, as most of what I spoke about was hosted by what where at one point or another people that I considered friends. I'm afraid it's just the sad nature of these affairs, which you yourself have generalized into ideas that are not necessarily positive in themselves. You can't make shit seem significant no many how many idiots gather around to stare at it.
Quote from: Socks on May 01, 2012, 08:42:54 PM
And yet here I am, inspired by its plight, whenever I see the stooping, bent neck of a majestic and indignant street light. Forever destined to remain still and hunched.
Sorry if it struck a chord, it wasn't easy for me to say either, as most of what I spoke about was hosted by what where at one point or another people that I considered friends. I'm afraid it's just the sad nature of these affairs, which you yourself have generalized into ideas that are not necessarily positive in themselves. You can't make shit seem significant no many how many idiots gather around to stare at it.
what ideas have i generalized?
and you can't just judge people based on their current actions, especially at a party
that's like judging people from a photo of what they're doing
calling them all directionless and having no sense seems a bit extreme~**~
why do you like coloring things in a grey tone when they can be purple or yellow akudood;
Quote from: Clucky on May 01, 2012, 08:32:10 PM
yeah, from your own 'personal' experience
doesn't mean it's embedded in reality, whatever that is
and you can't just generalize people like that, they're here to have fun
to forget, to escape, so of course they'll seem superficial oh, well of course
but depression comes in different shades (it's just a way of describing a general color, when hundreds of shades of that color exists)
and it takes different steps and different treatments and different ways to help them because people are different
asking him questions helps refine awareness
general cliche self-help answers are fine and dandy for some, but they're hard for others
his depression may fade away because it may be a teenage phase
perhaps they're the cause of environmental stress
maybe he can't reach his goals
there's a lot of causes and reasons
and to find the reasons can help him find results
and even if it was a teenage phase and he had no real root causing his sadness his feelings are still valid and authentic
(also i didn't read that post you've quoted cry; i was distracted by everyone else)
Yeah, but my point being is sadness and desire for solitude and a lethargic mindset are ingredients for potential bigger issues, but not direct indicators.
They are not bad things.There is such a thing as having a bad week. Every single person goes through stints of "fuck this".
I get so disturbed and turned off by how
quickly people decide to label their ailments as some sort of representation of something more severe. It's like getting a headache for a day or two and becoming convinced you have a brain tumor or something.
sleep is nice
some weeks i'll have cycles in which i sleep five hours, get up for two-five hours, then sleep another five hours. i constantly feel tired when this happens but i'm just so damn relaxed
enjoy your sleep faggot there are chinese sweatshop workers who get none
also learn esperanto as a hobby
Quote from: Clucky on May 01, 2012, 09:15:23 PM
what ideas have i generalized?
and you can't just judge people based on their current actions, especially at a party
that's like judging people from a photo of what they're doing
calling them all directionless and having no sense seems a bit extreme~**~
why do you like coloring things in a grey tone when they can be purple or yellow akudood;
Well you mentioned why they might behave that way or seem to embody certain attitudes and realities but you think it is relative and I think it is representative, of... I don't know, a much larger truth in which these people live in and believe. It might be extreme but I don't think it's wrong. I didn't always used to color thing in gray, but, over a period of time, you will see that the yellows fade and the purple's blur and what's left is a charcoal landscape, burned and charred, because, after all, none of us are capable of living in a rainbow world with no consequences. Even Alice soon realized this.