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[spoiler=Europe of Freedom and Democracy's dream](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Location_European_nation_states.svg/500px-Location_European_nation_states.svg.png)
LOL NO EU[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Eurocentrics' dream](http://i33.tinypic.com/x58lqo.jpg)[/spoiler]
[spoiler=My vision](http://i37.tinypic.com/f9qstc.jpg)
This will leave everybody unsatisfied. goodjob; [/spoiler]
in before i'm the only person who finds this interesting oh and you can use the second map for your maps 5thgrade;
ITT David dislikes PIGS and slavs n_u
take your àmbørthümbsee shit elsewhere madood;
Quote from: YPR on August 21, 2010, 04:37:00 PM
ITT David dislikes PIGS and slavs n_u
I don't dislike them per se, but they're just a drag on the EU. n_u
Quote from: Nyerp on August 21, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
take your àmbørthümbsee shit elsewhere madood;
saddood;
lol
The only countries I like in Europe are Sweden, England, Spain, Greece, France, and Italy. The others are pretty lame with even lamer people.
How can you like England, Greece and Italy and ignore the single most important country in Europe, Germany? huhdoodame;
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 05:39:15 PM
How can you like England, Greece and Italy and ignore the single most important country in Europe, Germany? huhdoodame;
Germany is OK. A lot of the great Germans were Jews too. There have been much greater people in England, Italy, and Greece.
Iceland is pretty cook
When I think of Europe, what comes to mind is the Eurocentric's dream one.
uh, turkey would be added with much controversy. flanders would secede from belgium and thus leave the EU because they claim the walloons stole their money
Quote from: Lain on August 21, 2010, 05:47:24 PM
Iceland is pretty cook
Iceland is having one of the worst economic crisis in history.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 05:41:17 PM
Germany is OK. A lot of the great Germans were Jews too. There have been much greater people in England, Italy, and Greece.
I've never heard of many Britons, Italians and Greeks being described with 'great' as an adjective. n_u
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 05:50:27 PM
I've never heard of many Britons, Italians and Greeks being described with 'great' as an adjective. n_u
Really? Go read some history books on these countries. You'll see that Germany is obviously the lesser. I'm guessing you're German or you have German heritage.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 05:51:16 PM
Really? Go read some history books on these countries. You'll see that Germany is obviously the lesser. I'm guessing you're German or you have German heritage.
Oh, we're basing this off of what they once were, not the piles of slop they've become? confuseddood;
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 05:50:27 PM
I've never heard of many Britons, Italians and Greeks being described with 'great' as an adjective. n_u
You've never heard of Great Britons? sillydood;
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 05:53:30 PM
Oh, we're basing this off of what they once were, not the piles of slop they've become? confuseddood;
Yes we are. Unless you expect to make some minute-to-minute evaluation. They are? Well their history has been more outstanding as far as great people and conquests. I think they British are doing pretty well for themselves. It also helps that they have some of the best Universities in the world and Europe.
Quote from: YPR on August 21, 2010, 05:53:55 PM
You've never heard of Great Britons? sillydood;
oh dich sillydood;
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 05:57:45 PM
Yes we are. Unless you expect to make some minute-to-minute evaluation. They are? Well their history has been more outstanding as far as great people and conquests. I think they British are doing pretty well for themselves. It also helps that they have some of the best Universities in the world and Europe.
History only goes so far. Let's not forget Swedes used to be manly men who terrorised the rest of Northern Europe, look at what they've become now. The British are doing okay, but Germany just came off its best quarter since Reunification. baddood;
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 05:57:45 PM
Yes we are. Unless you expect to make some minute-to-minute evaluation. They are? Well their history has been more outstanding as far as great people and conquests. I think they British are doing pretty well for themselves. It also helps that they have some of the best Universities in the world and Europe.
But the Germans are doing better than all three n_u
Italy and Greece are just depressing shadows of their former selves, especially Greece... what a mess
Quote from: YPR on August 21, 2010, 06:00:45 PM
But the Germans are doing better than all three n_u
Italy and Greece are just depressing shadows of their former selves, especially Greece... what a mess
Currently in some aspects. Those countries have centuries of amazing history, Germany hasn't. In fact, it helped start two horrible wars just to lose. Germany is just OK no matter how you put it.
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 05:57:48 PM
oh dich sillydood;
History only goes so far. Let's not forget Swedes used to be manly men who terrorised the rest of Northern Europe, look at what they've become now. The British are doing okay, but Germany just came off its best quarter since Reunification. baddood;
Good quarter, Germany? lol It's a small feat when you compare all that the British have done.
I didn't say I liked Sweden for it's history, which isn't all that great.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:03:19 PM
Currently in some aspects. Those countries have centuries of amazing history, Germany hasn't. In fact, it helped start two horrible wars just to lose. Germany is just OK no matter how you put it.
I put it into GDP and germany only trails the US, Japan, and China... being second best in the Western Hemisphere ain't too shabby n_u
Also you're an idiot/troll if you think Germany singlehandedly started WWI goonish
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 05:57:45 PM
It also helps that they have some of the best Universities in the world and Europe.
wow how anglocentric
Yeah apart from being oppressive cunts and also everything else the Brits are awesome.
Quote from: YPR on August 21, 2010, 06:08:09 PM
I put it into GDP and germany only trails the US, Japan, and China... being second best in the Western Hemisphere ain't too shabby n_u
Also you're an idiot/troll if you think Germany singlehandedly started WWI goonish
Keyword: helped durr hurr
Germany is likely not going to be there in the next 50 years. India, Brazil, and Mexico are expected to surpass it.
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Quote from: Khadafi on August 21, 2010, 06:10:26 PM
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are you suggesting alaska should secede from the US
Quote from: Khadafi on August 21, 2010, 06:10:26 PM
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lol
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:05:17 PM
Good quarter, Germany? lol It's a small feat when you compare all that the British have done.
I didn't say I liked Sweden for it's history, which isn't all that great.
I don't see how you can scoff at the only developed nation actually having strong [even if unmaintainable] growth. And it strengthens the argument inside Germany to go back to the Deutsche mark and forge their own path since the rest of the Eurozone is lagging behind.
What do you like about Sweden? There's not much to like about them, unless you have a thing for Volvos and blondes. confuseddood;
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:10:16 PM
Keyword: helped durr hurr
Germany is likely not going to be there in the next 50 years. India, Brazil, and Mexico are expected to surpass it.
Is that a typo for Italy, Greece, and the UK?
I like David's vision. I can only see Germany staying if some of the southern countries leave, like you showed. If they don't, I don't think they will stay. Also, I can't imagine Iceland ever wanting to join the EU (amirite Nigel Farage?).
Quote from: Quis sum? on August 21, 2010, 06:11:30 PM
are you suggesting alaska should secede from the US
No I think he's suggesting Bermuda someone moves a couple hundred miles north.
Quote from: CAPTAIN AMERICA on August 21, 2010, 06:14:14 PM
I like David's vision. I can only see Germany staying if some of the southern countries leave, like you showed. If they don't, I don't think they will stay. Also, I can't imagine Iceland ever wanting to join the EU (amirite Nigel Farage?).
baddood;
And yes. Icelanders, Norwegians and the Swiss are all very much against joining the EU.
They almost had the Norwegians, but the recent bout of problems with Southern Europe swayed most of their opinions back into negative territory. n_u
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 06:12:15 PM
I don't see how you can scoff at the only developed nation actually having strong [even if unmaintainable] growth. And it strengthens the argument inside Germany to go back to the Deutsche mark and forge their own path since the rest of the Eurozone is lagging behind.
What do you like about Sweden? There's not much to like about them, unless you have a thing for Volvos and blondes. confuseddood;
I like the Swedish because most of the ones I've met are really nice people. lol That's just me though.
Because having a good economy in Europe has happened too often to too many countries to think it a great feat, specially for how recent it has been.
Quote from: YPR on August 21, 2010, 06:13:06 PM
Is that a typo for Italy, Greece, and the UK?
No. Russia and Indonesia are also expected to surpass it.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:17:44 PM
I like the Swedish because most of the ones I've met are really nice people. lol That's just me though.
Because having a good economy in Europe has happened to too often to too many countries to think it a great feat, specially for how recent it has been.
Hmm, they are fairly nice people, I'll give you that.
But the fact is that most of Europe at the moment is having a fairly poor time economically. Just look at PIGS.
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 06:21:39 PM
Hmm, they are fairly nice people, I'll give you that.
But the fact is that most of Europe at the moment is having a fairly poor time economically. Just look at PIGS.
You should include Iceland in that acronym.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:17:44 PM
Because having a good economy in Europe has happened too often to too many countries to think it a great feat, specially for how recent it has been.
Germany has had a pretty strong economy since the latter half of the 1800s... The US economy got going within a century earlier, where is the line drawn for 'recent'
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:18:57 PM
No. Russia and Indonesia are also expected to surpass it.
I'm still not seeing where the UK, Italy and Greece redeem themselves. You may as well talk up the Babylonians or Egyptians as far as Italy and Greece go
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:23:36 PM
You should include Iceland in that acronym.
And Ireland at that rate too. befuddlement
Quote from: YPR on August 21, 2010, 06:24:12 PM
Germany has had a pretty strong economy since the latter half of the 1800s... The US economy got going within a century earlier, where is the line drawn for 'recent'I'm still not seeing where the UK, Italy and Greece redeem themselves. You may as well talk up the Babylonians or Egyptians as far as Italy and Greece go
Maybe I should. I don't see why I shouldn't. History is still relevant. We still rely on a lot of those country's people you know. Actually Germany's has had some really rocky economic moments since that time. I don't know why you would say that.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:29:37 PM
Maybe I should. I don't see why I shouldn't. History is still relevant. We still rely on a lot of those country's people you know. Actually Germany's has had some really rocky economic moments since that time. I don't know why you would say that.
BECAUSE THEY ARE LARGELY IRRELEVANT ON TODAY'S GLOBAL SCALE AND THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE NEXT 20 YEARS, NOT THE PAST 3000.
You cannot seriously point out Germany's rocky economic moments as a flaw while talking up Greece who is currently on its knees begging for Europe to force Germany into bailing it out
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Quote from: YPR on August 21, 2010, 06:36:43 PM
BECAUSE THEY ARE LARGELY IRRELEVANT ON TODAY'S GLOBAL SCALE AND THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE NEXT 20 YEARS, NOT THE PAST 3000.
You cannot seriously point out Germany's rocky economic moments as a flaw while talking up Greece who is currently on its knees begging for Europe to force Germany into bailing it out
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Thank you david n_n[/spoiler]
Because Germany's economy wasn't complete trash after WWI? Nice Smiley. Also, I did because you mentioned Germany's current history only.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:42:22 PM
Because Germany's economy wasn't complete trash after WWI? Nice Smiley.
A lot of countries suffered after World War I, it wasn't only Germany. Sure the US may have seen false good times in its cities, but most Americans who lived off their farms suffered long before 1929. confuseddood;
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 06:44:31 PM
A lot of countries suffered after World War I, it wasn't only Germany. Sure the US may have seen false good times in its cities, but most Americans who lived off their farms suffered long before 1929. confuseddood;
Yes, America suffered through the depression. But American money wasn't used for staying warm.
i can't help but notice how appropriate the default Boyager rank image is to this discussion about Germany
godwin's law?
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:45:47 PM
Yes, America suffered through the depression. But American money wasn't used for staying warm.
It may not have, but much of Germany's problems can be traced back to how unfairly it was treated for its involvement in World War I. huhdoodame;
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 06:51:18 PM
It may not have, but much of Germany's problems can be traced back to how unfairly it was treated for its involvement in World War I. huhdoodame;
It seemed only fair to me. They should have done it again after WWII, but maybe more severe.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:53:26 PM
It seemed only fair to me. They should have done it again after WWII, but maybe more severe.
Right, let's not learn from mistakes of the past n_u
Quote from: YPR on August 21, 2010, 07:00:50 PM
Right, let's not learn from mistakes of the past n_u
It seems they didn't. How are we sure that they won't do it again? Punishment should be consistent and increasing for the same offense, otherwise it won't work.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 07:03:18 PM
It seems they didn't. How are we sure that they won't do it again? Punishment should be consistent and increasing for the same offense, otherwise it won't work.
A crazy Austrian was able to take advantage of a downtrodden people, it's not crazy. Germany was poor from the reparations forced upon it [and its allies] after the war and had only a token defence force for invasions, its people wanted somebody who inspired them, and unfortunately that was Hitler.
And today, Germans are among the least patriotic people in the world, I doubt they'll go on another conquest of Europe in our lifetimes.
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 07:09:26 PM
And today, Germans are among the least patriotic people in the world
Unfortunately this is true. They are ashamed of their past. The only times they are remotely patriotic is during soccer matches lol
Quote from: CAPTAIN AMERICA on August 21, 2010, 07:16:08 PM
Unfortunately this is true. They are ashamed of their past. The only times they are remotely patriotic is during soccer matches lol
It is very sad. cry;
I remember how a lot of people edited a picture of Stephan Raab raising his arm to wave after Germany had won Eurovision [lol] to make it look like he was giving them the Hitler salute. doodhuh;
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 07:09:26 PM
A crazy Austrian was able to take advantage of a downtrodden people, it's not crazy. Germany was poor from the reparations forced upon it [and its allies] after the war and had only a token defence force for invasions, its people wanted somebody who inspired them, and unfortunately that was Hitler.
And today, Germans are among the least patriotic people in the world, I doubt they'll go on another conquest of Europe in our lifetimes.
It would be smart of them not to: they have failed each time. But you can never be too sure.
I predict it will continue to grow, slowly
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 06:53:26 PM
It seemed only fair to me. They should have done it again after WWII, but maybe more severe.
Yeah this is an idiotic thing to say, the German populace was taken advantage of in the same way Americans went head over heels for FDR (what if he had been a fascist? good thing he wasn't because we still would have supported him), same story anywhere where there's a poor working population in depression and someone comes along promising great things
Quote from: wziard on August 21, 2010, 07:32:19 PM
I predict it will continue to grow, slowly
Yeah this is an idiotic thing to say, the German populace was taken advantage of in the same way Americans went head over heels for FDR (what if he had been a fascist? good thing he wasn't because we still would have supported him), same story anywhere where there's a poor working population in depression and someone comes along promising great things
Calm your tits. It would teach a fine lesson to more than just Germans.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 07:30:49 PM
It would be smart of them not to: they have failed each time. But you can never be too sure.
They may have failed. But they have grown to be a better country from it.
germany made the fastest car i saw it on top gear
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 07:37:14 PM
They may have failed. But they have grown to be a better country from it.
Many countries didn't fail and grew to be great Empires just the same.
Was passiert hier?
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 07:42:18 PM
Many countries didn't fail and grew to be great Empires just the same.
But then their empires did indeed fail and they lost much of their influence. n_u
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 07:45:48 PM
But then their empires did indeed fail and they lost much of their influence. n_u
Eventually some of them did. But that's much more than Germany can say. Look, I know you think it's a great country (the best in Europe was it?), but to me it's just OK because of all these reasons.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 07:49:17 PM
Eventually some of them did. But that's much more than Germany can say. Look, I know you think it's a great country (the best in Europe was it?), but to me it's just OK because of all these reasons.
The only empire that I can think of that has not completely failed is the British Empire, but that only lives on as a lifeless shell occupied by the Common Wealth of Nations.
[spoiler]Though, I guess one
could make an argument in favour of the US having an 'empire' of its own.[/spoiler]
And 'single most important in Europe' n_u
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 07:54:24 PM
The only empire that I can think of that has not completely failed is the British Empire, but that only lives on as a lifeless shell occupied by the Common Wealth of Nations.
[spoiler]Though, I guess one could make an argument in favour of the US having an 'empire' of its own.[/spoiler]
And 'single most important in Europe' n_u
Agreed. An Empire is not something that just any country should attempt as Germany can attest.
The british empire fell relatively recently.
Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 05:41:17 PM
A lot of the great Germans were Jews too.
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Quote from: Aracde on August 21, 2010, 05:50:24 PM
Iceland is having one of the worst economic crisis in history.
i just like that it's a piece of volcanic rock and also SAGA OF THE VOLSUNGS THE POWER OF GOD
i think the empires in the past would have tried a lot harder to be more bad ass then other empires if they knew they were going to be argued about on the internet
Quote from: burzumfan420 on August 21, 2010, 09:54:25 PM
i think the empires in the past would have tried a lot harder to be more bad ass then other empires if they knew they were going to be argued about on the internet
yes, they really should have been able to predict the future better baddood;
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 21, 2010, 06:26:48 PM
And Ireland at that rate too. befuddlement
Excluding Greece and Iceland, worst in Europe. saddood;
Quote from: fluxus on August 21, 2010, 10:12:47 PM
Excluding Greece and Iceland, worst in Europe. saddood;
A very sad sight indeed. Hopefully it'll be able to rebound quickly. saddood;
i like how you guys are so passionate about places you have no experience in
Quote from: Lain on August 21, 2010, 11:43:01 PM
i like how you guys are so passionate about places you have no experience in
that's boyah for you goodjob;
Quote from: Lain on August 21, 2010, 11:43:01 PM
i like how you guys are so passionate about places you have no experience in
I've had experience in them goodjob;
Quote from: YPR on August 22, 2010, 01:32:25 AM
I've had experience in them goodjob;
Ja, ja. baddood;
the eu wont exist in 20 years ecasue they will run out of socilist money and teh usa and china will buy them
Quote from: youngasianbodybuilder on August 22, 2010, 11:52:44 AM
the eu wont exist in 20 years ecasue they will run out of socilist money and teh usa and china will buy them
what does socilst money look like confuseddood;
Quote from: Ãâ,¬mbørthümbsee on August 22, 2010, 12:14:48 PM
what does socilst money look like confuseddood;
jewish german deutsche marks
(http://www.milesfaster.co.uk/information/pound-note.jpg)
lol they only have one person on their monies
Quote from: Quis sum? on August 22, 2010, 12:16:37 PM
jewish german deutsche marks
eww
they have queen on front darwin and other cool guys on the back
Quote from: Lain on August 21, 2010, 11:43:01 PM
i like how you guys are so passionate about places you have no experience in
Speak for yourself faggot