i'm desensitized yay

[?????]

Fuck, just admit you're wrong and get on with your life. Please, hun.

[Mando Pandango]

holy god jesus fuck just shut the hell up already every single one of you before i blow my fucking brains out

[the shortest route to the sea]

Fuck, just admit you're wrong and get on with your life. Please, hun.

It is a tenuous issue, and Slim has a lot of good points. But I think I have a strong enough basis to convince myself after that, and so unless Socks blows me away, I think I'm staying where I am.

[?????]

It is a tenuous issue, and Slim has a lot of good points. But I think I have a strong enough basis to convince myself after that, and so unless Socks blows me away, I think I'm staying where I am.

You're going to give into ignorance? Why the hell would you do that to yourself? Are you trolling or something?

[Slim]

*long post*

You haven't been raised in a sexualized culture with a double-standard of sexuality so ingrained for the male and female that you can be pushed up against the wall and kissed against your will, be fondled or groped, be forced to suck or lick, or having those most vital parts in, and be encouraged to keep silent; but that's irrelevant. Far more relevant is that you haven't even tried to listen to the men and women who have been sexually assaulted (assuming that as an umbrella term) talk about what the word rape means to them. You haven't even tried to find a connotation that is relevant to the experiences of any man or woman who has this as part of their daily reality. It's nice to talk about the definition of rape in a world far away from it. I'm not saying that there's a consensus among the victims; far from it. There is a spectrum of responses, ranging from the most trivial, the most denotative and literalst (like you), and the most liberal. You don't have to accept whatever spectrum of possible definitions come out of that part; but to claim as firm a position on it without listening to them, trying to convince someone who is trying their best to listen, is just blindness. You owe openness then you're giving here.

*long post*

Alright, I don't feel like responding point-by-point and rehashing the same things over again; there's doesn't seem to be too much more to say.

Listen, the bottom line is that you prefer some niche, feminist redefining of the term whereas I prefer the actual, established definition. Much of your argument seems to depend on emotion: "you haven't been raised in a sexualized culture where..." "you haven't even tried to find a connotation that is relevant..." "It's nice to talk about the definition of rape in a world far away from it." This simply is not the manner in which I see things. I was unaware that being the victim of a sex crime meant that one suddenly gets to have more sway over what the definition of 'rape' is; I fail to see why their views would be relevant to the definition at all, to be honest. I don't find these emotional arguments persuasive since they falter logically, as all emotional arguments do. You see, this discussion isn't a competition over who can feel more compassion, as you seem to think it is. I assure you that I would be unmoved no matter how many rape victims (and so-called 'rape' victims) I were to talk to, no matter how much I got to know the reality of the situation (as you apparently already do), and would remain steadfast in my opinion of what constitutes rape. That's the difference between you and me, I suppose.

One more thing: I have a question for you. If someone were to ask you if clucky got raped, based on what happened in her story, would you seriously say 'yes' to their question? If so, don't you think that would be a tad sensationalistic and disingenuous?

[Veal]

Wait, Pqqu raped Clucky?

[?????]

Wait, Pqqu raped Clucky?

No, no, no, no, no, no. You got it all wrong. Hermione married Ron, and Harry Potter married Ron's sister.

[the shortest route to the sea]

Alright, I don't feel like responding point-by-point and rehashing the same things over again; there's doesn't seem to be too much more to say.[/quote]

Good call.

Listen, the bottom line is that you prefer some niche, feminist redefining of the term whereas I prefer the actual, established definition. Much of your argument seems to depend on emotion: "you haven't been raised in a sexualized culture where..." "you haven't even tried to find a connotation that is relevant..." "It's nice to talk about the definition of rape in a world far away from it." This simply is not the manner in which I see things. I was unaware that being the victim of a sex crime meant that one suddenly gets to have more sway over what the definition of 'rape' is; I fail to see why their views would be relevant to the definition at all, to be honest. I don't find these emotional arguments persuasive since they falter logically, as all emotional arguments do. You see, this discussion isn't a competition over who can feel more compassion, as you seem to think it is. I assure you that I would be unmoved no matter how many rape victims (and so-called 'rape' victims) I were to talk to, no matter how much I got to know the reality of the situation (as you apparently already do), and would remain steadfast in my opinion of what constitutes rape. That's the difference between you and me, I suppose.

Ok. This is good, no. I like this: we listen to each other and here's where we are. You paint a very good point that the definition has a niche; despite any establishment, it has not entered the minds of many people. And a lot of feminist theory (which I'm rooted in) contains both emotional elements and somewhat radical counter-theory. Do I think that they're right? Yes. But only a slowly growing number are with me. But we speak different languages, and you're right on a lot of points both in my language and in yours.

Thank you, Slim, that was great.

One more thing: I have a question for you. If someone were to ask you if clucky got raped, based on what happened in her story, would you seriously say 'yes' to their question? If so, don't you think that would be a tad sensationalistic and disingenuous?

Sensationalistic? Yes. But that's what I believe in.

Disingenuous? Hmm...it would be somewhat misleading to someone (which is most people) that I know who don't use the definition I use. Depending on how well I knew them, I would talk about what happened, and say "It was not statuatory rape, since there was no penetration; I view it as a rape because those are my views, but you could also call it sexual abuse and  have right in saying so." If it was a passerby, I'd say "Sexual assault," because I don't want their casual truth to be taken away from my interpretation when the point is factual.

[?????]

I'll get the Catholic priest to pray for you Alyssa. You poor, poor soul. How could you have been so misguided.

Also, as far as I know most major cultures regarded females as inferiors. Coincidence?

[Veal]

No, no, no, no, no, no. You got it all wrong. Hermione married Ron, and Harry Potter married Ron's sister.

But she's a redhead...

[?????]

But she's a redhead...

What are you trying to say?

[Veal]

What are you trying to say?

That she's an abomination to nature and must be destroyed.

[the shortest route to the sea]

I'll get the Catholic priest to pray for you Alyssa. You poor, poor soul. How could you have been so misguided.

Also, as far as I know most major cultures regarded females as inferiors. Coincidence?

The greeks did it the best: they hated women and loved lots of gay sex.

Then the Christians came along and were like "no homo"

and they were like

"awwwwww"

[Daddy]

Alternative question. What if the actions in the OP were to happen to a guy?

What would that constitute?

[?????]

Alternative question. What if the actions in the OP were to happen to a guy?

What would that constitute?

Hot steamy sex.

The greeks did it the best: they hated women and loved lots of gay sex.

Then the Christians came along and were like "no homo"

and they were like

"awwwwww"

I was trying to get at females being physically (strength) inferior, but okay.

That she's an abomination to nature and must be destroyed.

But, she survived Voldemort.