ok so sometimes i go on /v/ even though i don't really play many video games but man the shit that nintendo's being discussed about has been getting to me hard the last few yrs
but jesus christ nintendo recently has made me really...sour
- smallest number of titles compared to the other consoles
- animal crossing board game wii u
- animal crossing decorating game 3ds
- despite the popularity for sm4sh, splatoon, and pokken, they don't even host their own fucking events jfc
- metroid galactic federation for 3ds wtf
- limits in super mario maker (no slopes and what not) and no super mario bros 2.
- no sales for older games
- making super mario world exclusive to the n3ds
- it being the same price as the wii u title wtf
- gen 6 pokemon being linear as shit and no post game wtf gamefreak too
- pokken only with 16 chars and little content
- zelda wii u being postponed so hard
- wii u fan based fucked in the ass for so long
it's like someone had a monkey's paw and granted all of these wishes but turned out to be shit. but w/e at least online is free. but even then, most of the games that came out of the wii u are def. not $60 tier shit
oh and
- sm4sh was lack luster (it's funny bc there are so many kinks that the balance team haven't gotten to while independent sm4sh modders realize it actually isnt difficult to fix some chars and give them some damn combos. why is it mostly neutral game shit and most of all, NO adventure mode. but whoever's in charge of patches have done some great things. (mewtwo is viable, and a bunch of updates for a lot of lower tier chars but still needs work...) i also wish that they considered western chars in their roster- but nope.
- melee's popularity aside from bill trenin is ignored by nintendo- except when they wanna make some ad revenue and when sm4sh is presented. but ignore any melee events. i think they JUST realized how melee was popular at evo 2013 when they were about to cancel the melee tourney and caused a huge uproar
and and
- no kyle hyde game wtfffff
nintendo- although i love their games, is going ass backwards
im honestly not really looking forward to the nx
Outside of the Super Smash Bros. Titles, the last time I really cared about Nintendo's exclusive console content was probably the gamecube *thymeshrugemote*
eh just nintendo bein' nintendo tbh
i only care about pokemon and animal crossing and i'm just a little irked there's no like mainline animal crossing game for the wii u
also for smt x fe being absolutely nothing like either of the series it supposedly merged together
i don't expect innovation from nintendo anymore. i just expect more of the same.
Quote from: C.Mongler on April 27, 2016, 09:05:00 PM
eh just nintendo bein' nintendo tbh
basically
i haven't purchased anything new nintendo related in years nor do i really plan to
the only impressive thing they've done lately has been super mario maker everything else is tr4sh
yr just not in their target market
yeah obviously
it's just sad because a whole generation (like most of boyah) used to be in their target market before they had a demographic shift which is why everyone is so bitter
i think one of nintendo's promotional arms, nsider, just drove most of us away like for instance because i got banned literally for saying "i came out as gay"
or when i would have a non-controversial thread in power on, the unofficial official off topic board, and get banned because it's not "game related"
i think nsider did more harm than good in general for nintendo's brand image it was right to dispose of it
though some of you guys did stuff that was justifiably bannable though tbh
i felt like the nsider mods took their personal problems out on literal kids half the time however
like censoring the word "outsider" was such a weird move in a thinly veiled attempt to ban all discussion of that spinoff board
if i recall correctly it wasn't just outsider that was censored
it was any word that contained the string "outsid"
Quote from: squirrelfriend on April 27, 2016, 10:54:22 PM
i think one of nintendo's promotional arms, nsider, just drove most of us away like for instance because i got banned literally for saying "i came out as gay"
or when i would have a non-controversial thread in power on, the unofficial official off topic board, and get banned because it's not "game related"
i think nsider did more harm than good in general for nintendo's brand image it was right to dispose of it
though some of you guys did stuff that was justifiably bannable though tbh
Given how Nsider was a bunch of stupid kids and teens I would probably ban someone for posting that too. What good could possibly come of it? It's just going to lead to inappropriate links/comments/etc.
Well maybe not ban. But lock the thread or delete the post.
Quote from: YPR Classic on April 27, 2016, 11:06:00 PM
Quote from: squirrelfriend on April 27, 2016, 10:54:22 PM
i think one of nintendo's promotional arms, nsider, just drove most of us away like for instance because i got banned literally for saying "i came out as gay"
or when i would have a non-controversial thread in power on, the unofficial official off topic board, and get banned because it's not "game related"
i think nsider did more harm than good in general for nintendo's brand image it was right to dispose of it
though some of you guys did stuff that was justifiably bannable though tbh
Given how Nsider was a bunch of stupid kids and teens I would probably ban someone for posting that too. What good could possibly come of it? It's just going to lead to inappropriate links/comments/etc.
Well maybe not ban. But lock the thread or delete the post.
the thing is that nintendo just isn't on my side of the culture wars either to this day
like they fixed a "glitch" allowing two male characters to marry in tomodachi and just removed the option altogether
rumors are coming in they are censoring tms to remove a dungeon because its themes relate to sexuality
the homophobia is coming from top down and it needs to change
though firing alison rapp was justifiable to me
but banning innocuous discussions of one's coming out lest they be accused of promoting the gay agenda is not
every game i played on the wii u was great...too bad it was only like 5 games
Quote from: squirrelfriend on April 27, 2016, 10:56:28 PM
i felt like the nsider mods took their personal problems out on literal kids half the time however
like censoring the word "outsider" was such a weird move in a thinly veiled attempt to ban all discussion of that spinoff board
if i recall correctly it wasn't just outsider that was censored
it was any word that contained the string "outsid"
i think you are over estimating the effect that nsider had on overall nintendo sales
like, i personally think nsider was a great way to build hype and get nintendo fan kids drooling but in terms of the actual impact that it had i would imagine that it was minuscule
Quote from: the MIB the on April 27, 2016, 07:47:50 PM
- limits in super mario maker (no slopes and what not) and no super mario bros 2.
Mario Maker couldn't possibly have every single feature that existing Mario games offer. Slopes just happen to be the one most requested by fans.
Super Mario Bros 2 US isn't really a Mario game, it's a completely different game with a Mario skin. Almost none of the standard Mario stage elements have an equivalent in SMB2. Even if they tried really hard to make it match the general style of SMB2US, it'd still look really off.
The omission of an All-Stars style, however, doesn't make as much sense.
Quote from: the MIB the on April 27, 2016, 07:47:50 PM
- despite the popularity for sm4sh, splatoon, and pokken, they don't even host their own fucking events jfc
Do a lot of other companies that make competitive games actually host their own events? For all three, Nintendo has hosted at least some limited events to build hype, but after launch they've left it to the fans to organize their own things. I think they sponsored at least one other Smash4 thing, maybe?
Quote from: the MIB the on April 27, 2016, 07:47:50 PM
- making super mario world exclusive to the n3ds
That's a technical limitation of the original 3DS. Rather than wait for a whole new generation before having handheld SNES VC games, they decided to push it out to the N3DS.
3DS is easily able to handle ports of SNES games, but it can't do emulation without performance issues or bugs beyond the level that can pass Nintendo QA.
Quote from: the MIB the on April 27, 2016, 07:47:50 PM
- no kyle hyde game wtfffff
Cing owned that, not Nintendo.
Quote from: squirrelfriend on April 27, 2016, 11:26:29 PM
but banning innocuous discussions of one's coming out lest they be accused of promoting the gay agenda is not
Though with that they could have just been assuming that you were mocking or just trying to stir up trouble. Since probably already had a few hundred (or more given nsider's size and general maturity level) instances of it for those reasons. And that may have been coupled with any other black marks you had on your account. (Unless that was the first instance.)
Or not. Who knows?
For me, Nintendo these days is okay, nothing spectacular, nothing to get excited about. Very much waning.
The only I've gotten excited about in recent years was the new Zelda game back when the trailer was released. But even then I knew better.
i dont think nsider had any effect on their brand image whatsoever lol it was largely unknown to those who didn't post on it
It's kinda weird because they have absolutely no games but the games they do release are generally p. good, kind of the opposite of the Wii era where Nintendo was putting stuff out regularly but most of it was super bland
I'm not too upset at no games this year because that will save me a lot of money and hopefully I'll be able to save up for a NX, since they've obviously shifted all development outside that lame Paper Mario.
Honestly my hope for next year is that Nintendo gets back to around Gamecube level, which seems reasonable. A decently-powered console that could at least get some third-party titles, and at least a couple releases a year that are genuinely great. I'm hoping they make a Mario game that feels fresh for once, or at least Sunshine 2 would be ballin'
Who knows if we'll ever get another F-Zero or Metroid, but Animal Crossing NX would hopefully/likely come out within the first year, and Splatoon was proof that they can still come up with good new IPs, so I'd like them to continue along that route.
So overall I feel okay with Nintendo because I still enjoy their games and the 3DS was/is great, but at this exact moment in their history they're kind of just in limbo
Quote from: antmaster5000 on April 28, 2016, 01:22:02 AM
Quote from: squirrelfriend on April 27, 2016, 10:56:28 PM
i felt like the nsider mods took their personal problems out on literal kids half the time however
like censoring the word "outsider" was such a weird move in a thinly veiled attempt to ban all discussion of that spinoff board
if i recall correctly it wasn't just outsider that was censored
it was any word that contained the string "outsid"
i think you are over estimating the effect that nsider had on overall nintendo sales
like, i personally think nsider was a great way to build hype and get nintendo fan kids drooling but in terms of the actual impact that it had i would imagine that it was minuscule
well the fact remains that it just wasn't good enough promo for those who heard of it and nintendo made the decision to shut down nsider because lithium is fucking expensive and opened the tech forums because it would have a lesser footprint. gee just look at the users making mass lame jokes and trolling badly. that isn't indicative of a good community, or positive feedback. that's considered negative feedback. nintendo probably banned half of those users to protect their brand image. so yes i still stand by my claim that it had did more harm than good. not whatever you are claiming
for the people who never heard of it however yes, it had nil effect.
Quote from: ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ on April 28, 2016, 05:10:28 AM
Quote from: squirrelfriend on April 27, 2016, 11:26:29 PM
but banning innocuous discussions of one's coming out lest they be accused of promoting the gay agenda is not
Though with that they could have just been assuming that you were mocking or just trying to stir up trouble. Since probably already had a few hundred (or more given nsider's size and general maturity level) instances of it for those reasons. And that may have been coupled with any other black marks you had on your account. (Unless that was the first instance.)
Or not. Who knows?
i tried to appeal it but like LOL WE CAN'T HELP YOU
i think banning someone to prevent outrage is still bad moderation tbh
idk it wasn't even a post it was just a one-off comment i had in a chat thread or something
i didn't do anything particularly wrong tbh
a forum for 12 year olds had strict, dumbass mods? weiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirdddddddddddddddddd
Quote from: C.Mongler on April 28, 2016, 09:31:25 AM
a forum for 12 year olds had strict, dumbass mods? weiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirdddddddddddddddddd
well coppa says users have to be 13 unless one's parents send in a fax
idk how many parents would take up that offer after seeing that shithole
of course many of you probably lied about your ages to sign up i wouldn't be surprised
Quote from: C.Mongler on April 28, 2016, 09:31:25 AM
a forum for 12 year olds had strict, dumbass mods? weiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirdddddddddddddddddd
well it was a service of nintendo and it just left a bad taste in my mouth
like idk if it had the nintendo seal of quality on it
eta: it didn't lmfao
idk if nintendo even has the nintendo seal of quality on it anymore tbh doodthing;
Quote from: C.Mongler on April 28, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
idk if nintendo even has the nintendo seal of quality on it anymore tbh doodthing;
did miitomo have a seal of approval maybe we should check
Quote from: squirrelfriend on April 28, 2016, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: C.Mongler on April 28, 2016, 09:31:25 AM
a forum for 12 year olds had strict, dumbass mods? weiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirdddddddddddddddddd
well coppa says users have to be 13 unless one's parents send in a fax
idk how many parents would take up that offer after seeing that shithole
my dad did that so i could go on neopets lol
i hardcore lied about my neopets age and now i can never access my account again to feed my starving pets who haven't eaten in almost a decade saddood;
Quote from: bluaki on April 28, 2016, 02:09:26 AM
Quote from: the MIB the on April 27, 2016, 07:47:50 PM
- despite the popularity for sm4sh, splatoon, and pokken, they don't even host their own fucking events jfc
Do a lot of other companies that make competitive games actually host their own events? For all three, Nintendo has hosted at least some limited events to build hype, but after launch they've left it to the fans to organize their own things. I think they sponsored at least one other Smash4 thing, maybe?
MKX was given a tourney hosted by CW, who is owned by Warner Bros. a few months ago. Capcom has the pro tour for SFV. All I know about.
And for an unrelated note- at EVO 2015 Nintendo was literally the only one that did not give out any pot bonus for their games wtf and they had a great number of participants. Even the lower participated games got a pot bonus. It's not like we should be entitled to it, but definitely concerned about Nintendo's seemingly lack of interest in the fans & tournament participants compared to other companies.
Quote from: bluaki on April 28, 2016, 02:09:26 AM
Quote from: the MIB the on April 27, 2016, 07:47:50 PM
- no kyle hyde game wtfffff
Cing owned that, not Nintendo.
"Kyle Hyde’s story has not ended in myself, yet. However, we gave the right concerning Kyle Hyde to Nintendo as a publisher so I cannot make a new game featuring Kyle without any permission.
Having said that, I hope that I will be able to produce his story, which is still going on in myself, in some different way to be delivered to players." - former Cing vice president Rika Suzuki
source: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/08/former_cing_vice_president_would_like_the_story_of_hotel_dusk_to_continue
remember when nintendo was like YOU'LL HAVE TO GIVE ALL YOUR AD REVENUE TO US for let's plays
you say that as if it is a past policy; they still do that lol
wow nintendo you are really bad at no cost marketing wreck what you sow
can sony/microsoft advertise on nintendo let's plays just to spite them
who give me present of nintendo?
i mean i don't necessarily disagree with ninty on that one. shitty let's players who just upload an entire play-through of a narrative based game with little to no commentary or supplemental material deserve to have the monetization taken away tbh. in some aspects it's free marketing i guess, if the viewer is just trying to get a feel or taste of the game, but i can't say i've ever watched an entire let's play of a narrative experience and then been compelled to run out and buy the game for myself (granted i own every game in existence and i have never sat down and watched a full let's play either so i'm a shitty example doodhuh; )
but pulling monetization on reviews, overviews, analyes, let's players who cut their shit down to the interesting/funny bits, or anything that is actually transformative is totally horse dookie tho
no commentary lets plays are the only good ones tbh
Quote from: SVT on April 28, 2016, 04:07:41 PM
no commentary lets plays are the only good ones tbh
same with the exception of kaz's commentary i think he would be a good let's player
hey guys wanna watch a let's play of me listening to led zepplin's iv
i just tune into any classic rock station i would get the same banal commentary
oh no i won't provide commentary, maybe the occasional cough
Quote from: C.Mongler on April 28, 2016, 04:14:39 PM
oh no i won't provide commentary, maybe the occasional cough
I'd watch it.
And I haven't given a shit about Nintendo for a decade. The market might be different over in Japanland, but they act like they just don't care about their western consumer.
thoroughly alienated tbh
hillary and her neoliberalism is responsible for this disaster
shinzo Abe saved nintendo
mario and sonic confirmed 4 2020 games
super mario maker 3ds confirmed???
that is fucking SICK i am totally getting a 3dsXL for this
further reading: you can't get levels online
oh well it's not like people who play wii u mario maker even use that feature anyway hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaafffuuuck
who likes alola rattata and preorder exclusive dlc for Pokemon????
Quote from: antmaster5000 on September 01, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
further reading: you can't get levels online
oh well it's not like people who play wii u mario maker even use that feature anyway hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaafffuuuck
worse than that, you can't share any levels online either.
Quote from: Snowy on September 01, 2016, 11:23:10 PM
they never said if it was a preorder exclusive or not. It just said if you buy it early. It's probably a mystery gift again like usual.
i just wonder if the held item that allows you to use snorlax's z-move is like exclusive to early buyers or not
because the munchlax itself is nothing special
Quote from: Big Goop on September 01, 2016, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: antmaster5000 on September 01, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
further reading: you can't get levels online
oh well it's not like people who play wii u mario maker even use that feature anyway hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaafffuuuck
worse than that, you can't share any levels online either.
good thing local level sharing is a thing! all my friends IRL will be playing super mario maker 3ds!
/s
fuck like i dont really know but they already had local sharing set up would it be THAT much more technical to get online sharing? hell you could share levels in N+ on ds lmao
Quote from: antmaster5000 on September 02, 2016, 01:35:40 AM
further reading: you can't get levels online
does anyone have a hard source on that, cuz i don't think that's entirely true bros. i
think you can upload levels, but at that point they kind of just 'live in the cloud'? or at the very least, you can pull random levels made by Wii U players from the internet? like there's 100 mario challenge still, how would that work without some sort of online component, you just play the preinstalled levels, your own levels, and the like 6 you got from spotpass over and over?
i think they just meant there's no social component, i.e. there's no level codes and no search/sharing features. which yes, is total ass still, but i'd say it doesn't deflate the game as much as it's being made out to be. in fact, i've enjoyed like 40 hours in mario maker 100 mario challenge without ever searching for a level or putting in a code for one lol
also im p stoked for mario sports all stars or whatever as long as it's not like some wii-sports like mini-games with mario characters. like i dont expect a new mario strikers to be packed in there, but make it at least a little meaty plz but i also have no faith after mario tennis wii u lol
yeah i think you're right i did read that too
as someone who has never played mario maker wii u what does that mean? are they like nintendo selected levels or something?
man Wii Us are still unexplainably expensive, aren't they
Quote from: antmaster5000 on September 02, 2016, 09:21:45 AM
as someone who has never played mario maker wii u what does that mean? are they like nintendo selected levels or something?
not sure what exactly you want clarification on, and not sure i can even provide it because the details on Mario Maker 3DS have been kind of vague at this point as well too, so i was speculating a lot in my last post, but i'll give it a shot
but the way the system works in the Wii U one is you make a level, and once you're ready to upload it you have to play through it (to prove it's actually beatable) and then it's uploaded. there's a database/search engine of sorts that you can find levels through that has featured levels, levels deemed awesome by the community as indicated by stars, and some other filters i think (haven't played in a while), which it sounds like will not be in the 3ds version. you can also type in a level code to play someone's level specifically. once again, doesn't seem like this is going to be an included feature.
that said, that's not really the most popular method of finding and playing levels in mario maker. most people just play 100-man challenge for hours on end. basically you select a difficulty level and then you're presented with 16 (or so, depending on difficulty) levels that are randomly grabbed from the massive user-created level database to play through using only 100 lives. their difficulty is determined via the % of players who can actually complete the level. super hard is like a less than 2% completion rate, hard is something like 2-10% i think, etc. etc. considering this mode is confirmed to still be in the game and they've said it will pull levels created on the wii u version, i'm lead to believe there's still some sort of online component, albeit without the social half of it. i don't know if 3ds players will be able to upload levels, they haven't really said; it might just be the 3ds pulls shit from the Wii U reserves.
i don't think they'd be silly enough to include 100-man without some method of grabbing levels from online. they said they're making 100 new Nintendo-made levels that will be included on the cart, but if there's no online the 100 man mode would literally just be those levels, any levels you've made, and any levels you've received locally. not only that but even in the wii u version there's a limit to the number of levels you can actually store, so it's not like you can just collect levels locally to build a DB of fun shit to play.
we'll seeeeeee!
Quote from: Thyme on September 02, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
man Wii Us are still unexplainably expensive, aren't they
i mean it's not really unexplainable, the reason is they have a stupidly high manufacturing cost. at least as of 3 years ago it was estimated they cost about $200 to produce a single unit, with the gamepad costing about 70 bucks of that. they've been selling them at a loss since launch basically. not that they shouldn't have just taken more of one and cut the price to $199 like 2 years ago, but it's probably just because cutting the price at this point isnt really going to affect sales that greatly enough to offset how much they've lost on this dumbass console lol
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 02, 2016, 09:47:59 AM
Quote from: Thyme on September 02, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
man Wii Us are still unexplainably expensive, aren't they
i mean it's not really unexplainable, the reason is they have a stupidly high manufacturing cost. at least as of 3 years ago it was estimated they cost about $200 to produce a single unit, with the gamepad costing about 70 bucks of that. they've been selling them at a loss since launch basically. not that they shouldn't have just taken more of one and cut the price to $199 like 2 years ago, but it's probably just because cutting the price at this point isnt really going to affect sales that greatly enough to offset how much they've lost on this dumbass console lol
right :(
edit: lmao new page goddamnit had to quote
woah i didnt even know about 100 man mario
i want mario maker slightly more now..
yeah it's honestly the best part of the game. i barely touched anything else lol, i've made like 2 shitty levels and spent the rest of the time just playing 100-man challenge. as long as there's some version of that that interacts with the internet, even if it's just pulling levels people made and wii u, then this version will probably still be plenty of fun
i dont think this 3ds version is gonna have online
i dont have mario maker but i've borrowed it from john and made some levels and it's really fun
i gotta say tho. im really looking forward to that yoshi's wooly world and pikmin game that's coming out
mario maker is ok but imo not for its price
though it did have lively dlc when it came out, i think there's still some dlc still coming out not sure??
tfw the only 3ds game i want is pkmn moon
Same
I got the steelbook 2
Quote from: the MIB the on September 03, 2016, 03:48:26 PM
mario maker is ok but imo not for its price
it's a game with literally (until the servers are inevitably shut down) infinite replayability, how is that not worth 60 dollars lol
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 03, 2016, 05:13:02 PM
Quote from: the MIB the on September 03, 2016, 03:48:26 PM
mario maker is ok but imo not for its price
it's a game with literally (until the servers are inevitably shut down) infinite replayability, how is that not worth 60 dollars lol
heh
anyway it seemed so halfassed
why so limited in fuckin stage maker like damn we oculd use more backdrops
>no SLOPES in the current YEAR
it's all repetitive as well
really depends on the gaymer
i cant stomach playing mario maker for more than 30min
there's no way i can keep swallowing a diamond ring after i take a shit
i have not touched my copy of mario maker in months
hmmm i hope there's something new im gonna play rn
lol
it sounds like you're just bad at mario maker and/or hate mario lol
you're kidding yourself if you think slopes and backgrounds are going to change that
Hate x? You must be bad at x or hate y, where x belongs to y
LBP is like $50 lower and you can play as kermit
Quote from: squirrelfriend on September 04, 2016, 10:01:13 PM
LBP is like $50 lower and you can play as kermit
yeah but LBP is all floaty and not very fun to play
Quote from: Big Goop on September 04, 2016, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: squirrelfriend on September 04, 2016, 10:01:13 PM
LBP is like $50 lower and you can play as kermit
yeah but LBP is all floaty and not very fun to play
depends on some people and the lbp community levels are a hoot with the shoehorned in social commentary :)
idk about mario maker though tell me more
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 04, 2016, 09:30:07 PM
it sounds like you're just bad at mario maker and/or hate mario lol
you're kidding yourself if you think slopes and backgrounds are going to change that
mentioning backdrops/themes was only an example of the missed opportunities and i was too lazy to think/name of more
same with slopes
at most it should have cost $40 imo
i mean editing mario levels and sharing them online has always been popular and nintendo just decided to finally cash in on it- a decade later lmao
at least they had the decency to add more to it
also why does replay value mean it should cost $60
i can buy a deck of cards and it will last me a life time
but in the end it will always be $1-$2's worth
or am i making a bad comparison
also also
i played mario maker today finally
played for like 2hrs
it was refreshing
and i really love how they added in ice climbers as a costume
Quote from: Big Goop on September 04, 2016, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: squirrelfriend on September 04, 2016, 10:01:13 PM
LBP is like $50 lower and you can play as kermit
yeah but LBP is all floaty and not very fun to play
yeah i used to want it but it looks bad
those are the only two "missed opportunities" you can think of though, which kind of just shows you're grasping at straws lol
i still can't think of an anymore price-justified game than mario maker and you haven't really provided any evidence for the contrary besides "it feels that way" lol
[spoiler]i feel like all video games should be free[/spoiler]
Quote from: squirrelfriend on September 04, 2016, 09:47:12 PM
Hate x? You must be bad at x or hate y, where x belongs to y
to be far this is the argument you throw at every boyager who has anything negative to say about Hillary
Quote from: squirrelfriend on September 04, 2016, 10:01:13 PM
LBP is like $50 lower and you can play as kermit
that games is also not very fun and requires a B.S. in Engineering to make a level that isn't tried & boring
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 05, 2016, 06:04:38 AM
[spoiler]i feel like all video games should be free[/spoiler]
dude same
Quote from: Thyme on September 05, 2016, 07:16:21 AM
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 05, 2016, 06:04:38 AM
[spoiler]i feel like all video games should be free[/spoiler]
dude same
do you guys really?
it'd sure be cool if they were free but you'd need a pretty weird model in place and id prefer paid games to games supported by ads or buying content (though i guess buying skins are okay)
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 05, 2016, 06:04:38 AM
those are the only two "missed opportunities" you can think of though, which kind of just shows you're grasping at straws lol
i still can't think of an anymore price-justified game than mario maker and you haven't really provided any evidence for the contrary besides "it feels that way" lol
[spoiler]i feel like all video games should be free[/spoiler]
at the top of my head*
you haven't even provided anything to justify it's price aside from replay value
replay value actually depends on the gamer if they enjoy the game enough
so in your case (so far at least), it's a "feels" motive as well
i certainly don't feel the same way playing the game
though let's focus on some of the objective though
of course with limited enemies- why no koopalings?
in-game dialog boxes? why not? miiverse shitposting does not count- though creators commenting on their own levels is a good subtitute i guess)
how about sm2- fk them for missing this, i want scuttling luigi and floating peach
for smw:
colored shells for yoshi to swallow- i mean that's a huge function to miss on
colored blocks and their switches
carrying keys (not that lame key & locked door update that makes the key float with you)- in the original, sometimes you'd have to be creative with how to get the key to the door
the fact that access to the y axis is mediocre (and no, pipes and using small fractions of a stage to focus on y axis does not count)
oh and lmao nintendo butchering online by shitting on courses (deleting them online and banning online upload) randomly even when they have a set of standards (i'm a victim of this- they took away a course i focused on a long time and it did have stars and was passed a handful of times. a gaming event was also affected by this when they realized they couldn't download some courses for some main event streamed on twitch.)
how about music options
i mean playing a variety of levels is cool, online & dlc is great while it lasts but they missed out on a number of shit like i listed and im prob missing out on more.
sprites and their functions don't seem to (as i type with no game dev knowledge) be such a chore compared to 3d models
[spoiler]i feel that games should be priced appropriately for their content[/spoiler]
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 05, 2016, 06:07:12 AM
Quote from: squirrelfriend on September 04, 2016, 09:47:12 PM
Hate x? You must be bad at x or hate y, where x belongs to y
to be far this is the argument you throw at every boyager who has anything negative to say about Hillary
to be fair, that's what you guys do when the uninitiated reject bernie lol and you are ignoring the premises I placed before my argument. because I think some are just bad at electoral math
but in this case, I'm just not convinced. some people are just price conscious and the concept behind super Mario maker isn't exactly novel. the fact is as mib points out, the social features like the sharing of levels don't really work because nintendo sucks at online in general
Quote from: antmaster5000 on September 05, 2016, 07:44:58 AM
Quote from: Thyme on September 05, 2016, 07:16:21 AM
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 05, 2016, 06:04:38 AM
[spoiler]i feel like all video games should be free[/spoiler]
dude same
do you guys really?
it'd sure be cool if they were free but you'd need a pretty weird model in place and id prefer paid games to games supported by ads or buying content (though i guess buying skins are okay)
tbh there are even $60 games that feature product placement because the development ran on so long: Final Fantasy XV
But since Hillary was brought up, I want her to fund free video games that educate gamers about civics in general. Give it a AAA budget and target it towards millennials. The government has funded video games before and I think this would be good for classrooms and basements across America.
Quote from: the MIB the on September 05, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 05, 2016, 06:04:38 AM
those are the only two "missed opportunities" you can think of though, which kind of just shows you're grasping at straws lol
i still can't think of an anymore price-justified game than mario maker and you haven't really provided any evidence for the contrary besides "it feels that way" lol
[spoiler]i feel like all video games should be free[/spoiler]
at the top of my head*
you haven't even provided anything to justify it's price aside from replay value
you can make mario levels, and download mario levels; i thought I and the box said that lol. despite even your minor grievances of it not being a literal 1:1 mario hack maker, which is kind of unrealistic because it's essentially one new mario game with 4 skins, i find that there's enough content and fun to be had even if i can't
change the background music. are you also upset you can scroll backwards on SMB1 stages? might be a good one to add to the list
i'm more interested in your qualifications and examples of what makes a game worth the standard $60 msrp tho tbh since apparently content & replayability don't have anything to do with it lol
most games are not worth $60 tbh, let alone a level editor with playable fan levels and no other new mechanics
can you create worlds btw
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 05, 2016, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: the MIB the on September 05, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 05, 2016, 06:04:38 AM
those are the only two "missed opportunities" you can think of though, which kind of just shows you're grasping at straws lol
i still can't think of an anymore price-justified game than mario maker and you haven't really provided any evidence for the contrary besides "it feels that way" lol
[spoiler]i feel like all video games should be free[/spoiler]
at the top of my head*
you haven't even provided anything to justify it's price aside from replay value
you can make mario levels, and download mario levels; i thought I and the box said that lol. despite even your minor grievances of it not being a literal 1:1 mario hack maker, which is kind of unrealistic because it's essentially one new mario game with 4 skins, i find that there's enough content and fun to be had even if i can't change the background music. are you also upset you can scroll backwards on SMB1 stages? might be a good one to add to the list
i'm more interested in your qualifications and examples of what makes a game worth the standard $60 msrp tho tbh since apparently content & replayability don't have anything to do with it lol
making mario levels and downloading mario levels isn't enough for me when it's been available for a decade+
i knew that mario maker could do that- what makes it stand out from mario modding present already? (i should poised this as a question previously) all it has is a decent online interface- it makes it easy to share and dl.
how is it unrealistic? i don't think it would be beyond what the wii u can do- it definitely doesn't seem game breaking. why couldn't they have four separate games and provide specific tools for their respective games. thanks for highlighting how lazy they were to make it one *new* mario game with 4 skins
before buying this, i should have asked myself what about it made it differ from mario hacks that are already available.
but we bought into hype. at least with hackers they could do it appropriately and although im not into the scene at all- i bet there are tutorials that make it newcomer friendly.
thankfully my brother bought the game and not me
i forget bc he doesn't mind if its in my room with my wii u lol
spending $60 on an overglorified level maker
my brotherr made a such a gamble
he doesn't even play it lmao
i just can't help but think it was just so lazy & underwhelming of nintendo, especially for $60
don't think i can answer your question lol- i've never had a game I've bought that i think is actually worth $60 (i only have a wii u lol) yet i buy them around launch hoping it'd change my mind. something that seems "complete & polished" would only be my qualifications. i bought a wii u thinking it'd be such a great console but it's been such an underwhelming ride and bought only a few games so i have almost nothing to make an example of. the only *closest* example, i can say for sure is smash bros wii u- the only quarrel i have w/ it is that it has no adventure mode but I love smash so i will suck it up.
if we lower the bar to when the standard was $49.99 a decade ago
baten kaitos origins
that was beyond $50, prob beyond $60 too
and i do think content is an aspect, replayability to an extent. just not with mario maker
in the end, it's just a matter of preference lol and i don't think mario maker is worth the $60- at Most $50.
pikmin and mario sports for 3ds both look fun
also this was announced so nintendo could take a shit in my cereal and I'd still be happy with them: http://press-start.com.au/news/nintendo/2016/09/05/animal-crossing-getting-hello-kitty-branded-amiibo-cards/
MIB i can't say i'm not still confused about how you value things, but i'm not going to trigger you into typing another essay so lol
Quote from: ƕɾο on September 05, 2016, 09:16:58 PM
pikmin and mario sports for 3ds both look fun
also this was announced so nintendo could take a shit in my cereal and I'd still be happy with them: http://press-start.com.au/news/nintendo/2016/09/05/animal-crossing-getting-hello-kitty-branded-amiibo-cards/
i'm cautious pikmin will be to pikmin what the 3ds chibirobo is to that series. pls dont fuck it up nintendo
also i feel like those will never come stateside mr perkins
Quote from: the MIB the on September 05, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 05, 2016, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: the MIB the on September 05, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 05, 2016, 06:04:38 AM
those are the only two "missed opportunities" you can think of though, which kind of just shows you're grasping at straws lol
i still can't think of an anymore price-justified game than mario maker and you haven't really provided any evidence for the contrary besides "it feels that way" lol
[spoiler]i feel like all video games should be free[/spoiler]
at the top of my head*
you haven't even provided anything to justify it's price aside from replay value
you can make mario levels, and download mario levels; i thought I and the box said that lol. despite even your minor grievances of it not being a literal 1:1 mario hack maker, which is kind of unrealistic because it's essentially one new mario game with 4 skins, i find that there's enough content and fun to be had even if i can't change the background music. are you also upset you can scroll backwards on SMB1 stages? might be a good one to add to the list
i'm more interested in your qualifications and examples of what makes a game worth the standard $60 msrp tho tbh since apparently content & replayability don't have anything to do with it lol
making mario levels and downloading mario levels isn't enough for me when it's been available for a decade+
i knew that mario maker could do that- what makes it stand out from mario modding present already? (i should poised this as a question previously) all it has is a decent online interface- it makes it easy to share and dl.
how is it unrealistic? i don't think it would be beyond what the wii u can do- it definitely doesn't seem game breaking. why couldn't they have four separate games and provide specific tools for their respective games. thanks for highlighting how lazy they were to make it one *new* mario game with 4 skins
before buying this, i should have asked myself what about it made it differ from mario hacks that are already available.
but we bought into hype. at least with hackers they could do it appropriately and although im not into the scene at all- i bet there are tutorials that make it newcomer friendly.
thankfully my brother bought the game and not me
i forget bc he doesn't mind if its in my room with my wii u lol
spending $60 on an overglorified level maker
my brotherr made a such a gamble
he doesn't even play it lmao
i just can't help but think it was just so lazy & underwhelming of nintendo, especially for $60
don't think i can answer your question lol- i've never had a game I've bought that i think is actually worth $60 (i only have a wii u lol) yet i buy them around launch hoping it'd change my mind. something that seems "complete & polished" would only be my qualifications. i bought a wii u thinking it'd be such a great console but it's been such an underwhelming ride and bought only a few games so i have almost nothing to make an example of. the only *closest* example, i can say for sure is smash bros wii u- the only quarrel i have w/ it is that it has no adventure mode but I love smash so i will suck it up.
if we lower the bar to when the standard was $49.99 a decade ago
baten kaitos origins
that was beyond $50, prob beyond $60 too
and i do think content is an aspect, replayability to an extent. just not with mario maker
in the end, it's just a matter of preference lol and i don't think mario maker is worth the $60- at Most $50.
i respect your points about the mario modding community, but you have to realize that with mario maker you're paying for the convenience to not watch a bunch of weird youtube tutorials, download weird software, configure weird controllers, etc
shit's all set up for you already with an easy to use and share interface. honestly i think that does justify the price (for me at least) since ive never sought out any custom mario content (even though i acknowledge its existence) but i 100% see the appeal of mario maker. i guess that makes me lazy but you could say the same thing for tons of different products and services that are successful just because they make something easier and more intuitive
david LEAVE THAT BOY ALONE he's typed enough already don't you know he's in school he has other essays to type!! argh;
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 06, 2016, 06:42:20 AM
david LEAVE THAT BOY ALONE he's typed enough already don't you know he's in school he has other essays to type!! argh;
hehe im sorry mib (thank god i am not in school anymore)
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 06, 2016, 06:17:29 AM
MIB i can't say i'm not still confused about how you value things, but i'm not going to trigger you into typing another essay so lol
DO IT
>another essay
this aint SHIT
cannot believe
im being MARGINALIZED
by no other
byt the WHITE MAN
[spoiler]gg[/spoiler]
Quote from: antmaster5000 on September 06, 2016, 06:29:48 AM
i respect your points about the mario modding community, but you have to realize that with mario maker you're paying for the convenience to not watch a bunch of weird youtube tutorials, download weird software, configure weird controllers, etc
shit's all set up for you already with an easy to use and share interface. honestly i think that does justify the price (for me at least) since ive never sought out any custom mario content (even though i acknowledge its existence) but i 100% see the appeal of mario maker. i guess that makes me lazy but you could say the same thing for tons of different products and services that are successful just because they make something easier and more intuitive
sorta off tangent
regarding mario platformers:
i think of mario maker like smash4, with the main focus being the stage builder
mods are project m/brawl-/etc.
and original games, melee
Quote from: the MIB the on September 05, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
if we lower the bar to when the standard was $49.99 a decade ago
baten kaitos origins
that was beyond $50, prob beyond $60 too
whoa. was that game good? i bought it back in the day, but never beat it, i remember getting bored around some early swamp area. also didn't like the new card system. battle music was on point though as always.
Quote from: ADX on September 06, 2016, 11:04:45 AM
Quote from: the MIB the on September 05, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
if we lower the bar to when the standard was $49.99 a decade ago
baten kaitos origins
that was beyond $50, prob beyond $60 too
whoa. was that game good? i bought it back in the day, but never beat it, i remember getting bored around some early swamp area. also didn't like the new card system. battle music was on point though as always.
the game had so much content and story wise it was alright. have not played it in YEARS but i always have fond memories playing the game, and it feeling really comfy
the card system imo is better than the first one, though ill agree that the card system in the 1st one was much flexible because you didn't have to rely on the number order
the story got me hooked as well
though you get asspulls more in the prequel so it almost doesn't matter that it's a different card system. but it can be bullshit sometimes.
some of the bosses were tough from what i remember as well
definitely has a niche fanbase
it even had a track in smash bros wii u
i think the first game had more content, but for some reason, origins was much more memorable to me.
Quote from: the MIB the on September 06, 2016, 11:47:00 AM
Quote from: ADX on September 06, 2016, 11:04:45 AM
Quote from: the MIB the on September 05, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
if we lower the bar to when the standard was $49.99 a decade ago
baten kaitos origins
that was beyond $50, prob beyond $60 too
whoa. was that game good? i bought it back in the day, but never beat it, i remember getting bored around some early swamp area. also didn't like the new card system. battle music was on point though as always.
the card system imo is better than the first one, though ill agree that the card system in the 1st one was much flexible because you didn't have to rely on the number order
yeah that's probably why i stopped playing. the first game is probably one of my favorite gamecube games. the cube had lots of great rpgs looking back on it. paper mario, tos, bk, and they were (mostly) original too.
i hated baten kaitos lol
to this day, it's the only game i've ever sold out of not liking it
I liked Baten Kaitos.
The gameplay was interesting and unique (sorta)
The music was fantastic
the story was interesting enough,
but God damn, that voice acting.
Even I know it was bad
so like does anyone play animal crossing? can we have a new animal crossing instead of content packs a la the sims pls
Quote from: Big Goop on September 06, 2016, 03:24:16 PM
I liked Baten Kaitos.
The gameplay was interesting and unique (sorta)
The music was fantastic
the story was interesting enough,
but God damn, that voice acting.
Even I know it was bad
yep they all spoke into a tin can, which was apparently on purpose for plot reasons. lol.
nintendo just announced a mario runner game for the iphone at apple's event
can we change this to a memorial thread, RIP
Yes. Yes we can
tfw 3DS will be the last good thing nintendo has ever done for portable hardware
(bc it can also play ds games regardless of region)
i will take into consideration of changing the title
Quote from: Big Goop on September 06, 2016, 03:24:16 PM
I liked Baten Kaitos.
The gameplay was interesting and unique (sorta)
The music was fantastic
the story was interesting enough,
but God damn, that voice acting.
Even I know it was bad
i thought it was unique
ive never had a card system work so well incorporated with rpg elements
i also like that there's a time limit and the battle never stops until it ends, so if you sperg or some shit and don't do anything theyll attack
voice acting was noticeable too for eternal wings. i was alright with origins
Quote from: ADX on September 06, 2016, 05:13:48 PM
yep they all spoke into a tin can, which was apparently on purpose for plot reasons. lol.
lmao is this true what
i havent played the game in almost a decade so i don't remember the content much except for a few tidbits
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 07, 2016, 10:43:52 AM
nintendo just announced a mario runner game for the iphone at apple's event
can we change this to a memorial thread, RIP
jesus fucking christ
it might be a semi traditional mario game since it's not free aparantly? but it's still playable with one hand so you can jerk off while you play it?
yeah i dont know lol
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 07, 2016, 03:53:50 PM
it might be a semi traditional mario game since it's not free aparantly? but it's still playable with one hand so you can jerk off while you play it?
yeah i dont know lol
it's just sad since this is obviously something just to stay relevant, and not something that seems very nintendo-y
yeah who knows maybe itll be cool
Quote from: Tectron on September 08, 2015, 05:27:49 PM
i look forward to seeing nintendo and DeNA on stage at apple's conference tomorrow
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got the year wrong lol
yes obviously my prediction was (exactly) one year premature thank you for alerting me felt
but this was the obvious and inevitable end result of any successful venture by nintendo into mobile development
Quote from: Tectron on July 26, 2016, 04:41:38 PM
and pokemon go is definitive proof that nintendo's ip are far more valuable freed from the oppressive constraints of nintendo hardware
if anything, nintendo fans should be absolutely terrified of the implications of pukemon go's resounding success, and yet universally they celebrate its first foray into third party developmenthood lol
i wonder how all of the nintendo fans who cited pokemon go as evidence that nintendo still has relevance feel about this announcement lmao
pokemon go was the last piece of evidence nintendo needed before finally conceding that its ip are infinitely more valuable than its shoddy hardware, and now we have the most important game developer of our time being led around by tim cook like a dog on a leash and told to bark for some of that sweet appstore revenue
nintendo chose this future for itself in experimenting with mobile development, and nintendo """fans""" applauded thunderously upon seeing success without taking even five seconds to contemplate its implications
i hope they're happy with themselves lol
It....it's gonna be...okay....
to be fair being a fan and/or brand advocate of any tech company in 2016 is absurd
see also: ps4 pro, iphone 7, Occulus
at least nintendo fans have to buy iphones now
It's not enough to make me buy an iPhone.
I'll never purchase Apple garbage.
i think it makes sense for nintendo to go to apple for mobile because they can ensure the same "experience" instead of the fragmented android ecosystem
Quote from: squirrelfriend on September 07, 2016, 06:13:21 PM
at least nintendo fans have to buy iphones now
at least nintendo fans can look forward to buying competent, competitive hardware now
nintendo nx is their last hope but it might not be more powerful than the inevitable new ipad :(
pokemon go is so going to cannibalize the new generation of pokemon games though because every 5 yo here apparently has a mobile phone
same with animal crossing with the silver surfer demographic
but it's likely these demographics would never obtain a 3ds so probably still a good idea?????
Quote from: C.Mongler on July 27, 2016, 06:29:52 AM
Quote from: Tectron on July 26, 2016, 04:41:38 PM
nintendo fans should be absolutely terrified
appeasement; you always amuses me tec
Who's laughing now? tomatoes;
[spoiler]
i'm certainly not
as someone whose childhood was hand-crafted by miyamoto himself, watching helplessly as nintendo's rate of decay has accelerated over the past few years with no chance at reversal in sight (while apologists who like to call themselves """fans""" cheer it on) has been kind of depressing akudood;[/spoiler]
there are no true Nintendo fans or Scotsman
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 02, 2016, 09:47:59 AM
Quote from: Thyme on September 02, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
man Wii Us are still unexplainably expensive, aren't they
i mean it's not really unexplainable, the reason is they have a stupidly high manufacturing cost. at least as of 3 years ago it was estimated they cost about $200 to produce a single unit, with the gamepad costing about 70 bucks of that. they've been selling them at a loss since launch basically. not that they shouldn't have just taken more of one and cut the price to $199 like 2 years ago, but it's probably just because cutting the price at this point isnt really going to affect sales that greatly enough to offset how much they've lost on this dumbass console lol
not to mention that at this point, nintendo probably doesn't
want the wii u to sell anymore lol
any significant increase in late adoption of the wii u would put a console that's officially been deprecated in conflict with the upcoming nx
keeping the wii u's price 2.5x what it should be both ensures that their losses are minimized and keeps any interested gamers looking forward to their next platform
plus the wii u uses such ancient and exotic components that nintendo probably pays a premium for the manufacturing of inferior hardware in small quantities
they would almost certainly have saved money in the long run using more powerful, less proprietary hardware for which there is a market larger than just nintendo
might as well just develop games for other systems at that point
like my brand new iphone 7 xiapproves;
exactly
i support Chinese socialist slave labor
honestly nintendo's been shite since the wii, arguably the gamecube, also arguably the n64.
wii had mario galaxy 2, that was basically it. and donkey kong, but that was retro.
oh and re: MIB. Yeah in Baten Kaitos your "character" was like a magical spirit that was "watching over the characters" so you "influenced their decisions" but weren't actually the main character. so since you're from a different dimensions, they made all of the voice acting sound like they were speaking into a tin can to really immerse you in the experience of being a spirit from another dimension. pretty smart stuff.
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 03, 2016, 05:13:02 PM
Quote from: the MIB the on September 03, 2016, 03:48:26 PM
mario maker is ok but imo not for its price
it's a game with literally (until the servers are inevitably shut down) infinite replayability, how is that not worth 60 dollars lol
it's a basic level editor with almost no new assets that probably took all of two days to make
that's not a jab at the game's quality because as far as i can see it's universally regarded as good, but i guarantee it couldn't have cost nintendo more than $10 to develop
Quote from: ADX on September 07, 2016, 10:31:43 PM
honestly nintendo's been shite since the wii, arguably the gamecube, also arguably the n64.
wii had mario galaxy 2, that was basically it. and donkey kong, but that was retro.
i disagree
the wii was a legitimately great console, and the others are pretty much all superior to the wii u
there is a valid argument to be made that nintendo has been shite on some level since the n64 era, but there's no denying that they have objectively been at their absolute worst from ~2011 onward
Quote from: Tectron on September 07, 2016, 10:32:31 PM
i guarantee it couldn't have cost nintendo more than $10 to develop
AWESOME
you're right, that's probably an overestimate
unpaid intends did the bulk of the work
i tell you what i'll give you a crisp twenty dollar bill if you can have me tile-based platformer maker by Christmas time buddy (http://i.imgur.com/2LNVubS.png)
sure
just give me all of your pre-existing artwork, spritework, sound effects, 3d models, music, and source code, and i'll have a brand new, original game competed for you before long
just use a Yoshi's Island ROM, shouldn't be hard!!
Quote from: ADX on September 07, 2016, 10:31:43 PM
honestly nintendo's been shite since the wii, arguably the gamecube, also arguably the n64.
wii had mario galaxy 2, that was basically it. and donkey kong, but that was retro.
oh and re: MIB. Yeah in Baten Kaitos your "character" was like a magical spirit that was "watching over the characters" so you "influenced their decisions" but weren't actually the main character. so since you're from a different dimensions, they made all of the voice acting sound like they were speaking into a tin can to really immerse you in the experience of being a spirit from another dimension. pretty smart stuff.
oh SHIT
yeah damn that is fucking nuts
i really should buy eternal wings to replay it. i borrowed the game from a friend in high school and finished it. she really loves the games and her art somewhat reflects the style of baten kaitos
it can't be more the $20. i hope..
Quote from: Tectron on September 08, 2016, 08:13:17 AM
sure
just give me all of your pre-existing artwork, spritework, sound effects, 3d models, music, and source code, and i'll have a brand new, original game competed for you before long
tfw tec made a better argument while i was running with a paper bag over my head
this reminds me i still don't have a new tile-based platformer builder in hand yet, what gives???
QuoteNintendo needs money to make real games. I'm about as enthusiastic for Pokemon Go but I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. If you want Nintendo to put its big boy pants back on and lead the industry again, respect that it has to pick up on some current trends for once.
QuoteNintendo makes Mario game on IOS(and Android eventually) to make money to produce quality games --> Super Mario Run is a huge success --> Nintendo makes $$$ --> we get good games
this is what naive (or perhaps delusional) nintendo fans actually believe
boy are they in for a sad surprise lol