Official unofficial Gen 4 hype thread: First Full-HD™ port announced

[ME##]

http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/17/5319016/nintendo-wii-u-symptom-of-a-larger-disease-needs-to-adapt

http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/17/5318416/iwata-says-he-wont-resign-following-nintendos-ongoing-fiscal-issues

you know, it's honestly just sad about nintendo's current state thanks almost solely to the wii u .

The strategy thus far has been to continue a bland marketing campaign, rely on the standard Nintendo franchises

unless i'm mistaken, aren't mario and pikmin the only franchises that have received new [important word here] games so far on the wii u?  i know others are coming but cheesus, mario can only do so much and pikmin was dead for years, it's not like it was going to make unsold wii u basic models fly off shelves. 

[Samus Aran]

pikmin didn't really sell like hotcakes when it was a "beloved" gcn franchise, either. it was very well-received, critically acclaimed and all that, but i don't really think pikmin was a much of a console seller. so pikmin 3 was never going to be one either lol

so really only mario can do it with the wii u

aaaand it's not working out so far

[Kalahari Inkantation]

mario 3d world will save the wii u !!

mario kart 8 will save the wii u !!

smash bros. will save the wii u !!

zelda will save the wii u !!

[Classic]

My poor, tired and weary eyes, along with my broken heart.

I'll sink on that ship, god dammit.

[Kalahari Inkantation]

also despite all the calls for iwata's head i really don't think he (alone) is to blame for this

nintendo's condition is chronic, they have had the very same troubles the wii u is currently experiencing long before his reign, and it all started with the n64 and yamauchi's decision to stick with cartridges while the rest of the world was moving on to discs

and iwata's first foray into home console development was by far nintendo's most successful, ever, and the first true success since the snes, though that was largely a fluke

killing iwata alone isn't enough to prevent anything like this from happening again, nintendo as a whole needs to mitigate its severely outdated and overly timid idiosyncrasies

[don't let's]

They just need a better online infrastructure.

[ME##]

also despite all the calls for iwata's head i really don't think he (alone) is to blame for this

nintendo's condition is chronic, they have had the very same troubles the wii u is currently experiencing long before his reign, and it all started with the n64 and yamauchi's decision to stick with cartridges while the rest of the world was moving on to discs

and iwata's first foray into home console development was by far nintendo's most successful, ever, and the first true success since the snes, though that was largely a fluke

killing iwata alone isn't enough to prevent anything like this from happening again, nintendo as a whole needs to mitigate its severely outdated and overly timid idiosyncrasies

oh wow.  for some reason i thought iwata was also the mastermind behind the gamecube



also if i'm not super wrong, didn't the snes only sell around 50-60 million units world wide?  so even that by today's standards isn't that big of a success

[Kalahari Inkantation]

They just need a better online infrastructure.

it's much more than that

i think by far their largest problem is the sheer lack of third party support, an issue which has plagued them since the mass exodus of developers over to the playstation after sony ~listened~ to what they wanted (or, at least, did a better job at listening than nintendo did)

nintendo designs its hardware for itself first and foremost (which it has plainly stated in the past), with little regard for non-nintendo devs, and while that might have been acceptable twenty years ago when they faced little competition, it's no longer the case

yet they still haven't learned

that very same strategy of developing hardware with near total disregard for software devs is what got sony into such massive trouble with the ps3, but sony quickly learned that that was an awful way to go about doing things, hence the ps4's relatively powerful but easy to use x86 architecture and bountiful dev tools

[silvertone]

My poor, tired and weary eyes, along with my broken heart.

I'll sink on that ship, god dammit.

tie your hands to your wii u tablet so they can't drag you away from nintendo

[Kalahari Inkantation]

oh wow.  for some reason i thought iwata was also the mastermind behind the gamecube



also if i'm not super wrong, didn't the snes only sell around 50-60 million units world wide?  so even that by today's standards isn't that big of a success

not by today's standards, no, but for its time i believe it was the best-selling console in history

the market has greatly expanded since then, and yet aside from the wii, subsequent nintendo consoles have, at best, barely managed to hit even half of the snes's 60 million

[ME##]

it's much more than that

i think by far their largest problem is the sheer lack of third party support, an issue which has plagued them since the mass exodus of developers over to the playstation after sony ~listened~ to what they wanted (or, at least, did a better job at listening than nintendo did)

nintendo designs its hardware for itself first and foremost (which it has plainly stated in the past), with little regard for non-nintendo devs, and while that might have been acceptable twenty years ago when they faced little competition, it's no longer the case

yet they still haven't learned

that very same issue of developing hardware without regard for software devs is what got sony into such massive trouble with the ps3, but sony quickly learned that that was an awful way to go about doing things, hence the ps4's x86 architecture and bountiful dev tools

honestly, even if nintendo listened to third parties about what they wanted in a system, i doubt it would help too much.  the people who made the wii successful see most games beyond the few party games they needed for their wii as a waste of time and nintendo fans aren't the most receptive of other games. 

[Samus Aran]

you have to keep in mind that during the snes's days, video game consoles were considered toys, and were mostly purchased by parents for their children. and there was no real "gaming journalism" and video games were not reported on nearly as much by mainstream journalism.

things were much more tv commercials, word of mouth and "mom please buy me the new nintendo"

so selling that many units, despite how hard it was to sell video games back then, was pretty amazing

[Kalahari Inkantation]

yes, after so many years of anemic third-party backing, nintendo fans have been conditioned to support only nintendo games

and the wii's old userbase has all flocked to various idevices by now, there is no recovering them at this point

so nintendo is now whirling in a Cycle of Sadness in which developers don't want to deal with them because they know their games won't sell, and nintendo fans support only nintendo games because third-party devs won't deal with them

they have to do something to break that cycle, and actually appealing to developers would be a start

[ME##]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-23-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-is-60fps-on-ps4-report

deary me

[Snowy]

If I got a PS4 I would probably buy it because it was very fun.