about 20 minutes ago this raccoon covered my raccoon and raccoon'd his raccoon down raccoon's raccoon and raccooned me all raccoon. ;_;
I was suprised no one else noticed my raccoons, but then again I raccooned far in the back raccoon. That raccoon left my reaccoon area raccoon'd. ;________;
ITT: physical things people did to you that left you feel odd, confused, and dead inside afterwards. :3
A woman in church smacked me upside the head for talking when I was really just pointing out where we were in a song to my friend... I never quite got over that
Quote from: YPR on December 02, 2009, 03:53:19 AM
A woman in church smacked me upside the head for talking when I was really just pointing out where we were in a song to my friend... I never quite got over that
I twitch whenever a person hovers behind my back--it makes me feel like they're going to smack me at any second. giggle;
My 6th Grade Health teacher poked my dick with a clipboard.
It was so awkward. Probably because she was gay, but still... :(
Where were you
Quote from: JMV on December 02, 2009, 04:48:55 AM
Where were you
(http://i47.tinypic.com/9tolua.jpg) bassir;
wait wut lol
So just to be clear: Are you saying you just got physically molested by a stranger?
some girl touched my butt last year
Quote from: Nyerp on December 02, 2009, 06:06:03 AM
some girl touched my butt last year
What did you do? :O
Quote from: DAVID DOWNER on December 02, 2009, 06:16:15 AM
What did you do? :O
caught her running away, laughing to her friends :(
Quote from: Veal on December 02, 2009, 06:00:46 AM
So just to be clear: Are you saying you just got physically molested by a stranger?
Well, he wasn't really a stranger--I just spoke to him about 3 times.
Also I guess I was
molested. Is it still molestation if you don't make it a big problem afterward? akudood;
But I did feel pretty shitty afters and when he was RUBBING HIS FUCKING MOUTH ON MY NECK. I thought he was going to give me a hug so I giggled, could that of sent wrong messages? Well, he tried to cover my mouth so he probably knew what he was doing. akudood;
hey let's pretend that this never happened like what several members did with their own molestation stories giggle;
Quote from: Freud and His Friend:Jung on December 02, 2009, 06:25:51 AM
Also I guess I was molested. Is it still molestation if you don't make it a big problem afterward? akudood;
YES. YES IT IS. HE MOLESTED YOU. HE COVERED YOUR MOUTH AND FELT YOU UP LIKE A POOL TABLE
Quote from: Freud and His Friend:Jung on December 02, 2009, 06:25:51 AM
Well, he wasn't really a stranger--I just spoke to him about 3 times.
Also I guess I was molested. Is it still molestation if you don't make it a big problem afterward? akudood;
But I did feel pretty shitty afters and when he was RUBBING HIS FUCKING MOUTH ON MY NECK. I thought he was going to give me a hug so I giggled, could that of sent wrong messages? Well, he tried to cover my mouth so he probably knew what he was doing. akudood;
hey let's pretend that this never happened like what several members did with their own molestation stories giggle;
You might want to invest in some mace.
Quote from: Porter on December 02, 2009, 06:29:33 AM
You might want to invest in some mace.
i have mace in my room
I'm not even sure if it works anymore.
I thought only people that go in the cities or a late night stroll alone used them.
What the fuck at the guy who did that and what the fuck at you for not making a big deal out of it.
WHAT.
Well if you're getting molested in class then you might want to consider it.
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on December 02, 2009, 06:47:11 AM
What the fuck at the guy who did that and what the fuck at you for not making a big deal out of it.
WHAT.
I'm confused.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S MOLESTATION. Plus it'll create problems with him and his friends and stuff and attention will be directed at me and generic stuff that people say to not get the other person in trouble.
Also I don't make big deals out of anything because I'm dead inside. giggle;
If it happens again I'll probably do something then.
oh my god clucky
you need so much help
So then which part wasn't molestation? The part where he stuck his hand down your shirt against your will or the part where you tried to scream but really couldn't since he was covering your mouth while doing so?
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on December 02, 2009, 06:54:00 AM
So then which part wasn't molestation? The part where he stuck his hand down your shirt against your will or the part where you trued to scream but really couldn't since he was covering your mouth while doing so?
Gaff'd
Quote from: Veal on December 02, 2009, 06:53:43 AM
oh my god clucky
you need so much help
Aaand now it all makes sense
I don't see how anyone should be concerned about this. It wasn't any ones fault but her own. She could have pushed him away. How hard could that be. Or you know tried a little harder to scream or something.
Quote from: l a c e y on December 02, 2009, 07:09:21 AM
She could have pushed him away.
That's what we're concerned about.
Quote from: Veal on December 02, 2009, 06:53:43 AM
oh my god clucky
you need so much help
my time expired with my psychologist :3
she actually sent another person to be an in-home but she never came until like 5 months later when I was in a dysthymial state
oh well i guess cyclothymics can live a good life if they become exuberant cjlubdoods;
Quote from: l a c e y on December 02, 2009, 07:09:21 AM
I don't see how anyone should be concerned about this. It wasn't any ones fault but her own. She could have pushed him away. How hard could that be. Or you know tried a little harder to scream or something.
okay imagine a 6 foot fatso that's obese whose arms are around 6 times the width of your 6 inch diameter noodley appendages.
Also I didn't know what was going on until he tried to shoved his hands down me. I thought he was doing his same old shit he does with other kids (Like giving them bear hugs)
Plus if I told they'll just say I'm over reacting and will bring negative attention to everyone. baddood;
I find it hard to believe that his arms are three feet wide.
Quote from: Freud and His Friend:Jung on December 02, 2009, 07:26:03 AM
okay imagine a 6 foot fatso that's obese whose arms are around 6 times the width of your 6 inch diameter noodley appendages.
she doesn't have to.
Quote from: Freud and His Friend:Jung on December 02, 2009, 07:26:03 AM
Also I didn't know what was going on until he tried to shoved his hands down me. I thought he was doing his same old shit he does with other kids (Like giving them bear hugs)
Plus if I told they'll just say I'm over reacting and will bring negative attention to everyone. baddood;
No they'll say "Holy shit he put his hands down your shirt?!"
BRING NEGATIVE ATTENTION TO HIM, CLUCKY. HE'S A BIG FAT FUCK WHO'S PROBABLY MASTURBATING RIGHT NOW TO THE THOUGHT OF HIS BEARDED ARMS RUBBING HIS EXCESS BODY GREASE ONTO YOUR SOFT CLEAN SKIN
Uh well still why wouldn't you at least punch him or spit in his face or something?
Quote from: l a c e y on December 02, 2009, 07:47:01 AM
Uh well still why wouldn't you at least punch him or spit in his face or something?
i felt shocked and out of it afterward
also you dicks stop getting off topic and making me put more realistic thoughts into my situation akudood;
holy fuck, saddood;
Quote from: Freud and His Friend:Jung on December 02, 2009, 08:03:44 AM
i felt shocked and out of it afterward
also you dicks stop getting off topic and making me put more realistic thoughts into my situation akudood;
You're the topic now. No one can top that. Also we're just trying to help.
what even happened
Quote from: Travis on December 02, 2009, 09:41:02 AM
what even happened
Some fat kid felt up Clucky. In class. While covering her mouth.
if he tries again take your pen to his eye akudood;
i am so confused by this post
Quote from: Trevor on December 02, 2009, 10:26:26 AM
i am so confused by this post
Quote from: Veal on December 02, 2009, 09:44:57 AM
Some fat kid felt up Clucky. In class. While covering her mouth.
what's confusing?
Quote from: Socks on December 02, 2009, 10:27:55 AM
what's confusing?
Quote from: Freud and His Friend:Jung on December 02, 2009, 03:38:40 AM
about 20 minutes ago this raccoon covered my raccoon and raccoon'd his raccoon down raccoon's raccoon and raccooned me all raccoon. ;_;
I was suprised no one else noticed my raccoons, but then again I raccooned far in the back raccoon. That raccoon left my reaccoon area raccoon'd. ;________;
i think i got it now with your wonderful help though
how the fuck could no one notice this happening lol
Quote from: Trevor on December 02, 2009, 10:29:36 AM
i think i got it now with your wonderful help though
i'm sorry i can't answer that for you because i have not been privately violated and then had the urge to post on the internet about it. so i really don't know what manner of expression i would chose. So, are we all raccooned up?
Yeah, this is totally normal. I used to get felt up by obese fucks during class all the time back in high school, and I never said anything about it to anyone. Most kids go through this at one stage or another. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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Clucky, PLEASE PLEASE tell someone, anyone. Someone at your school.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 02, 2009, 01:26:17 PM
Clucky, PLEASE PLEASE tell someone, anyone. Someone at your school.
this
ily clucky but you gun get raped if you let assholes get away with this
she needs to punch that fucker in the face, hard
this is just like that episode of degrassi
Quote from: Veal on December 02, 2009, 03:30:32 PM
this is just like that episode of degrassi
was it drake
did someone touch drake's winky
clucky won't do anything about it.
she should, though.
well clucky you didn't say "no" so i assumed you didn't mind
I couldn't help myself.
Sorry Clucky. saddood;
If he gets away with this he will only get worse. akudood;
uh.
I don't want to sound like a bitch but
what the fuck clucky you dummy head. So you didn't see it coming, but what did you do after?
"oh hey, that was weird, for a minute there I thought you were FEELING ME UP."
At this point I actually know how you feel. I wouldn't want to tell anyone either. BUT WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING TO HIM AT THE TIME?! RAAAHHHHH.
You need to take better care of yourself because this is something Boyah can't really help you with.
i had a dream my super perverted second cousin was the one who did this
wtffffffffff
also ya tell somebody
It's clear that you're trying to make it a non-issue and all by censoring your first post, but seriously. Nearly all of us are behind you, and we want you to tell somebody. If that isn't enough force to push you off your fence (if you hadn't already decided, and it's clear you're trying to justify a violation of your rights and sanctity), then get this: you were raped. You were sexually mistreated, which directly means rape, no matter what seriousness you think it has. Do something about it.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 03, 2009, 09:30:26 AMyou were raped.
No.
Quoterape 1 |rÃ,,Âp|
noun
the crime, committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with him without their consent and against their will, esp. by the threat or use of violence against them
She was sexually assaulted/battered.
I'm pretty sure this wasn't a serious post you guys.
Quote from: TheSequel on December 04, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
I'm pretty sure this wasn't a serious post you guys.
you don't know clucky very well, do you?
Quote from: Lain on December 04, 2009, 05:03:15 PM
you don't know clucky very well, do you?
I don't even know who the hell Clucky is. Err, while I know who it is but I don't know her know her. You know what I mean? :(
Quote from: Pancake Persona on December 04, 2009, 10:03:07 AM
No.
She was sexually assaulted/battered.
Only males can rape?
Rape is only penetration?
News to me.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 06:22:50 AM
Only males can rape?
Rape is only penetration?
News to me.
"It has been said that sexual assault includes rape, forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration, forced sexual intercourse, inappropriate touching, forced kissing, child molestation, and the torture of the victim in a sexual manner.[5]"
plain old sexual assault is generally used in court to cover inappropriate/forced minor (as in not severe) sexual activity
rape generally involves the crazy shit like something penetrating another human orifice, actual physical harm, etc
Quote from: Pancake Persona on December 05, 2009, 06:29:20 AM
"It has been said that sexual assault includes rape, forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration, forced sexual intercourse, inappropriate touching, forced kissing, child molestation, and the torture of the victim in a sexual manner.[5]"
plain old sexual assault is generally used in court to cover inappropriate/forced minor (as in not severe) sexual activity
rape generally involves the crazy shit like something penetrating another human orifice, actual physical harm, etc
I don't think its particularly useful to differentiate the two...there are ways of violating sexual and personal sanctity that penetration couldn't hope to achieve. Semantically you are correct. But I consider any form of sexual abuse worthy of the term rape, and the seriousness thereof.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 06:36:22 AM
I don't think its particularly useful to differentiate the two.
I think it is.
Groping a woman isn't anywhere near as severe as forcefully penetrating and impregnating her and possibly giving her an STD.
What..?
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 06:36:22 AMBut I consider any form of sexual abuse worthy of the term rape, and the seriousness thereof.
You need to rethink your position then.
Quote from: Pancake Persona on December 05, 2009, 06:42:46 AM
I think it is.
Groping a woman isn't anywhere near as severe as forcefully penetrating and impregnating her and possibly giving her an STD.
"Severe," you're absolutely right. But sexual abuse exists on a very wide spectrum, and people (not just woman's) reactions to different things can vary wildly. I'm not saying that there are many women who are more scared of being groped than being penetrated. But I am saying that even the less severe stuff can be serious and harmful, and should not be taken lightly by any means.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 07:43:14 AMBut I am saying that even the less severe stuff can be serious and harmful, and should not be taken lightly by any means.
How is calling it 'sexual assault' taking it lightly? You don't get to suddenly call it rape just because you want to really make sure everyone is taking it seriously enough for you.
I mean, if I punch someone in the face, it's considered assault and battery, and will be taken as seriously as the situation calls for. You don't get it to come in and call it homicide because you want people to take it more seriously, and then when someone points out that it was only assault, say "I don't think its particularly useful to differentiate the two" because you consider any form of physical abuse to be worthy of the term homicide. I mean, come on now. Don't be silly.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 07:43:14 AM
"Severe," you're absolutely right. But sexual abuse exists on a very wide spectrum, and people (not just woman's) reactions to different things can vary wildly. I'm not saying that there are many women who are more scared of being groped than being penetrated. But I am saying that even the less severe stuff can be serious and harmful, and should not be taken lightly by any means.
Some people commit suicide because they're picked on at school. It doesn't mean verbal abuse should be considered murder.
If you grope a woman's tits, you'll still most likely be labelled a sex offender--that punishment alone exceeds the damage of the crime.
but yeah pretty much everything slim said
Quote from: Pancake Persona on December 05, 2009, 08:27:34 AM
Some people commit suicide because they're picked on at school. It doesn't mean verbal abuse should be considered murder.
If you grope a woman's tits, you'll still most likely be labelled a sex offender--that punishment alone exceeds the damage of the crime.
but yeah pretty much everything slim said
So your point is...the verbal abuse is harmful, but it can't be considered the cause of murder because: a) it's not generally a serious thing and people get over it, b) it's just too much of a distance between the suicide and the words. Within that case, you're right. But being sexually abused is a far more serious thing than, I think, you're giving it credit here, in any context. There is no parallel between being called a slut by kids in the hall, and being groped and forcefully restrained by a few members of the football team.
I follow rape cases and stastics pretty closely, so I can with a pretty good deal of backup say that you are dead wrong. Most cases don't reach court, and the women live with the fact.
Quote from: Slim on December 05, 2009, 08:13:54 AM
How is calling it 'sexual assault' taking it lightly? You don't get to suddenly call it rape just because you want to really make sure everyone is taking it seriously enough for you.
I mean, if I punch someone in the face, it's considered assault and battery, and will be taken as seriously as the situation calls for. You don't get it to come in and call it homicide because you want people to take it more seriously, and then when someone points out that it was only assault, say "I don't think its particularly useful to differentiate the two" because you consider any form of physical abuse to be worthy of the term homicide. I mean, come on now. Don't be silly.
Seriously enough for sexually abused women, the majority of whom do not report their abuse because they feel a socially-reinforced need to "suck it up." This is pretty big in America and Europe, and huge in a lot of other places and cultures.
The difference "assault and battery" and "attempted homocide" lies in both the intent and severity; that's by definition. The different between "rape" and "sexual assault" in legal courts is semantic, based on penetration. There's some illusion that just because there isn't penetration, it still can't be harmful and hurtful
to a large degree.
If you want to say Clucky wasn't raped, fine. That's semantic, and if you're using the common legal and somewhat classical definition, you're right because you can point to a dictionary. But the growing definition of the word is far more fluid then just penetration; a quick read of dictionary.com, thinkers and pundits on articles on rape cases, all suggest that rape isn't just penetration. The denotation is fluid enough that I can use the word "rape" and be just as semantically correct as you; and by doing that, I stress the fact that "This is some serious shit." Which it is.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 09:31:05 AMSeriously enough for sexually abused women, the majority of whom do not report their abuse because they feel a socially-reinforced need to "suck it up." This is pretty big in America and Europe, and huge in a lot of other places and cultures.
Yeah, we get it. You don't like sexual abuse. No one here is discussing the merits of rape and claiming it's wrong for people to report their abuse, so I don't see how any of this is relevant. The point is that clucky clearly wasn't raped, despite your desire to claim otherwise.
QuoteThe difference "assault and battery" and "attempted homocide" lies in both the intent and severity; that's by definition. The different between "rape" and "sexual assault" in legal courts is semantic, based on penetration. There's some illusion that just because there isn't penetration, it still can't be harmful and hurtful to a large degree.
No such illusion exists. Everyone recognizes that it's still harmful and hurtful--just not to the degree that actual rape is,
obviously.QuoteIf you want to say Clucky wasn't raped, fine. That's semantic, and if you're using the common legal and somewhat classical definition, you're right because you can point to a dictionary. But the growing definition of the word is far more fluid then just penetration; a quick read of dictionary.com, thinkers and pundits on articles on rape cases, all suggest that rape isn't just penetration. The denotation is fluid enough that I can use the word "rape" and be just as semantically correct as you; and by doing that, I stress the fact that "This is some serious shit." Which it is.
That's exactly what I want to say, and yes, I'm well aware that I'm right.
The legal definition is the only thing that's relevant here. The "fluid definition" that supposedly exists somewhere out there in the ether is insignificant. Sure, I get it, language itself is arbitrary, but that doesn't mean that I have to acknowledge any definition that someone cooks up out of nowhere as being just as legitimate as the legal definition of the term.
When people play video games and one player dominates another player, people sometimes say that the loser got 'raped.' If they then said that the definition of 'rape' is fluid and the emotional harm caused by losing is severe enough to warrant being considered a 'rape victim,' would you accept this claim and put their trauma on the same level as an actual rape victim's? Would they be just as semantically correct as you and thus deserving of equal acknowledgment?
Let's just stick with the legal definition, okay?
Quote from: Slim on December 05, 2009, 10:18:37 AM
Yeah, we get it. You don't like sexual abuse. No one here is discussing the merits of rape and claiming it's wrong for people to report their abuse, so I don't see how any of this is relevant. The point is that clucky clearly wasn't raped, despite your desire to claim otherwise.
No such illusion exists. Everyone recognizes that it's still harmful and hurtful--just not to the degree that actual rape is, obviously.
Such illusion does exist, but not here I guess. My bad.
QuoteThat's exactly what I want to say, and yes, I'm well aware that I'm right.
The legal definition is the only thing that's relevant here. The "fluid definition" that supposedly exists somewhere out there in the ether is insignificant. Sure, I get it, language itself is arbitrary, but that doesn't mean that I have to acknowledge any definition that someone cooks up out of nowhere as being just as legitimate as the legal definition of the term.
What the hell does the legal definition have that makes it legitimate? People don't have trauma based on whether it was an "assault and battery" or "attempted homocide as determined by the court; they have trauma because someone else violated their personal sanctity. The legal definition is a) useful, because it's clear whether there was a dick or inserted object or not; and b) rooted more in the past opinion of sex ("sex is insertion") than the more current concept of sexual activitity (including touching and licking and sucking and all). There's nothing in that definition that reflects the modern way that we approach sex. This wider definition that you call floaty is far more real than you think...or have the ability to back up.
And your argument works both ways: since I have a pretty wide backup for my definition, I do not need to "rethink my position" in any way. It's not somewhere in the ether; try down the street or a few clicks away.
QuoteWhen people play video games and one player dominates another player, people sometimes say that the loser got 'raped.' If they then said that the definition of 'rape' is fluid and the emotional harm caused by losing is severe enough to warrant being considered a 'rape victim,' would you accept this claim and put their trauma on the same level as an actual rape victim's? Would they be just as semantically correct as you and thus deserving of equal acknowledgment?
Because the video game situation has absolutely nothing to do with sex (unless it's a sort of a multiplayer h game), the use of rape is a hugely connotative use of the word. Whether it's defensible or not as a use, much like the word gay, is a separate issue; but we can say at least that they meant a totally different thing than actually being sexually violated. Since the connotation is in such a different setting, your example doesn't work. But I have something like it:
Let's say that Sally gives Billy a wet willy. Since the laws on the book say that since the finger went into the earhole, and that Billy did not want such a willy, this is legally rape, being nonconsensual penetration. And you know what? Maybe Billy gets freaked out by it. Just as I got freaked out by my sister when she would grind my face into the snow. But since it's not in a sexual connotation, it's not relevant.
I am talking about situations where some form of nonconsensual sexual activity, clearly and undeniablly on that connotative level. I am thus justified in using that denotation, along with the fluid connotation, to use the descriptive noun: rape.
QuoteLet's just stick with the legal definition, okay?
Nah.
You're just a girl, you have no say. baddood;
Quote from: TheSequel on December 06, 2009, 02:14:33 AM
You're just a girl, you have no say. baddood;
Oh hey, you're right.
NEVER MIND GUYS I TAKE IT ALL BACK I APOLOGIZE FOR MY FEMINISM
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 06, 2009, 02:19:23 AM
Oh hey, you're right.
NEVER MIND GUYS I TAKE IT ALL BACK I APOLOGIZE FOR MY FEMINISM
But, seriously now. Your main point is to let people realize how horrible the act was? I think people are smart enough to realize how bad something is. You're just splitting hairs.
Quote from: TheSequel on December 06, 2009, 02:23:06 AM
But, seriously now. Your main point is to let people realize how horrible the act was? I think people are smart enough to realize how bad something is. You're just splitting hairs.
My point is I'm justified in using word rape, because I don't see the act of penetration as being the only thing worth calling rape.
That's really it!
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 06, 2009, 02:26:34 AM
My point is I'm justified in using word rape, because I don't see the act of penetration as being the only thing worth calling rape.
That's really it!
Because rape sounds harsher than sexual assault, quit lieing to yourself. It really doesn't matter what you call it. It was still a bad thing.
Spelling mistake? :(
Quote from: TheSequel on December 06, 2009, 02:29:51 AM
Because rape sounds harsher than sexual assault, quit lieing to yourself. It really doesn't matter what you call it. It was still a bad thing.
Spelling mistake? :(
lying, dear. And call me deluded or stupid, but don't say I'm lying to myself.
You're right, it doesn't. I'm not the one accosting someone else for word choice.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 06, 2009, 01:34:53 AMSuch illusion does exist, but not here I guess. My bad.
It exists nowhere but in your head. And yeah, it is your bad.
QuoteWhat the hell does the legal definition have that makes it legitimate? People don't have trauma based on whether it was an "assault and battery" or "attempted homocide as determined by the court; they have trauma because someone else violated their personal sanctity. The legal definition is a) useful, because it's clear whether there was a dick or inserted object or not; and b) rooted more in the past opinion of sex ("sex is insertion") than the more current concept of sexual activitity (including touching and licking and sucking and all). There's nothing in that definition that reflects the modern way that we approach sex. This wider definition that you call floaty is far more real than you think...or have the ability to back up.
And your argument works both ways: since I have a pretty wide backup for my definition, I do not need to "rethink my position" in any way. It's not somewhere in the ether; try down the street or a few clicks away.
The legal definition is legally legitimate, by definition. It doesn't matter if you don't think it properly encompasses all the modern intricacies and nuances of the term. It doesn't matter how much the victim feels violated after they were groped, how much pain and suffering it caused them to endure, how much irreparable damage it did to their psyche--groping is not and will never be rape.
Sure, you may adamantly believe that it's rape in some abstract sense that transcends the legal definition, but don't expect me or anyone else to take your view seriously. Anyone could come up with their own wacky definition and claim it's the one that's truly backed up by reality, like you're doing now. This is why I believe the legal definition is the only one that's ever worth discussing.
And by the way, sex still must be penetrative as far as I'm concerned. The only exception is oral sex, and even that's iffy (edit: actually, now that I think of it, even that's penetrative, so there are no exceptions). All this doesn't matter, though, since groping is the only thing we're talking about here, and groping sure as hell ain't sex.
QuoteBecause the video game situation has absolutely nothing to do with sex (unless it's a sort of a multiplayer h game), the use of rape is a hugely connotative use of the word. Whether it's defensible or not as a use, much like the word gay, is a separate issue; but we can say at least that they meant a totally different thing than actually being sexually violated. Since the connotation is in such a different setting, your example doesn't work. But I have something like it:
I know it has nothing to do with sex; I set up the example that way on purpose. Rape is sexually connotative,
according to you. What's stopping me from emulating your independent spirit and coming up with a new definition altogether? Maybe 'rape' is the act of annoying someone--who's to say? Yeah, that sounds good. Maybe you're
'raping' me right now. Why is this definition any less legitimate than yours? If the legal definition holds no weight and can be ignored at will, why don't we all just come up with any subjective definition that we damn well feel like using, just as you've done? It is fluid, after all, so let it flow wherever I want it to flow, I say.
QuoteLet's say that Sally gives Billy a wet willy. Since the laws on the book say that since the finger went into the earhole, and that Billy did not want such a willy, this is legally rape, being nonconsensual penetration. And you know what? Maybe Billy gets freaked out by it. Just as I got freaked out by my sister when she would grind my face into the snow. But since it's not in a sexual connotation, it's not relevant.
So what? Let's say that I'm asserting that 'rape' doesn't have to be sexual. Prove me wrong.
QuoteI am talking about situations where some form of nonconsensual sexual activity, clearly and undeniablly on that connotative level. I am thus justified in using that denotation, along with the fluid connotation, to use the descriptive noun: rape.
I reject the 'fluid connotation' and therefore do not feel in any way compelled to recognize your definition. As far as I can tell, your argument boils down to this:
a.) Nonconsensual sexual activity is a violation of one's personal sanctity that causes extreme emotional harm
b.) Rape is a violation of one's personal sanctity that causes extreme emotional harm
c.) Therefore, all nonconsensual sexual activity is rape
I think that the second premise is false in the sense that rape has a much more narrow, specific definition that must include insertion (and my view just so happens to coincide with the legal definition--lucky me). You may think otherwise, but I don't really care, quite frankly. Since your definition deviates so widely from the legal one that's commonly used, I see no reason to take it seriously. You can argue all you want that your eccentric view is more 'right,' but anyone could do the same thing with their own competing definition without either of you being definitively 'right,' which is why the legal definition is the only one that should ever be taken seriously in a discussion like this, regardless of how unsatisfactory you may find it.
ppqu's and slim's boring posts raped me
Quote from: Nyerp on December 06, 2009, 03:28:04 AM
ppqu's and slim's boring posts raped me
and by that do you mean that you were groped by them against your will or forcibly penetrated?
choose wisely
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 06, 2009, 02:45:20 AM
lying, dear. And call me deluded or stupid, but don't say I'm lying to myself.
it would be better if you were lying to yourself. because on this you're clearly deluded and that's causing you to be stupid. which is a lot worse.
This is a dumb argument doodhuh; lol
Quote from: Slim on December 06, 2009, 03:30:40 AM
and by that do you mean that you were groped by them against your will or forcibly penetrated?
choose wisely
i was groped and penetrated
on the insidei was graped
Quote from: WILD4WII1 on December 06, 2009, 03:37:00 AM
This is a dumb argument doodhuh; lol
YEAH A DUMB ARGUMENT THAT I WON LOL
Quote from: Nyerp on December 06, 2009, 03:38:40 AMi was groped and penetrated on the inside
i was graped
no you can only choose one you fat fuck
go be fat in some other thread
Quote from: Slim on December 06, 2009, 03:40:08 AM
YEAH A DUMB ARGUMENT THAT I WON LOL
I know, the counterargument doesn't make any sense
Quote from: Slim on December 06, 2009, 03:40:08 AM
no you can only choose one you fat fuck
go be fat in some other thread
i can suffocate you with my enormous amounts of globby fat
but it's not rape because
you will like it
Quote from: Nyerp on December 06, 2009, 03:46:17 AM
i can suffocate you with my enormous amounts of globby fat
but it's not rape because you will like it
wait, you're going to suffocate
me? it'll be difficult to do that while you're choking to death on my gigantic dick that's lodged all the way down into your trachea, motherfucker.
and i won't care whether you like it or not.
Quote from: Slim on December 06, 2009, 03:52:14 AM
wait, you're going to suffocate me? it'll be difficult to do that while you're choking to death on my gigantic dick that's lodged all the way down into your trachea, motherfucker.
and i won't care whether you like it or not.
oh, i will giggle;
in the meantime, i will be shoving various corndogs down my tubes while in wait for this glorious event
sometimes, just sometimes, i like to close my eyes and imagine it's
your magnificent rod gouging my insides :)
But he raped me in his mind. I know it. So would fondling still be rape?
QuoteThe legal definition is legally legitimate, by definition.
That's absolutely worthless for outside of the court. Again: if I stab you, you don't give a fuck whether it's "assault and battery with a deadly weapon" or "attempted homocide"; you care because you're stabbed. The legalese is useless bullshit!
QuoteSure, you may adamantly believe that it's rape in some abstract sense that transcends the legal definition, but don't expect me or anyone else to take your view seriously.
It's you who are pulling out a fake "everyone" and can draw any defense from words inscribed in a dictionary and replicated by tradition, whereas I've actually read and listened to people and thought about rape culture as someone who is high risk of being involved in .
QuoteAnd by the way, sex still must be penetrative as far as I'm concerned. The only exception is oral sex, and even that's iffy (edit: actually, now that I think of it, even that's penetrative, so there are no exceptions). All this doesn't matter, though, since groping is the only thing we're talking about here, and groping sure as hell ain't sex.
I know it has nothing to do with sex; I set up the example that way on purpose. Rape is sexually connotative, according to you. What's stopping me from emulating your independent spirit and coming up with a new definition altogether?
We have large cultural difference approaching this. I see sex as wider than just basic penetration. But there's not much to argue there.
For the tenth time, it's not mine alone. Please understand at least that.
QuoteMaybe 'rape' is the act of annoying someone--who's to say? Yeah, that sounds good. Maybe you're 'raping' me right now. Why is this definition any less legitimate than yours? If the legal definition holds no weight and can be ignored at will, why don't we all just come up with any subjective definition that we damn well feel like using, just as you've done? It is fluid, after all, so let it flow wherever I want it to flow, I say.
So what? Let's say that I'm asserting that 'rape' doesn't have to be sexual. Prove me wrong.
You haven't been raised in a sexualized culture with a double-standard of sexuality so ingrained for the male and female that you can be pushed up against the wall and kissed against your will, be fondled or groped, be forced to suck or lick, or having those most vital parts in, and be encouraged to keep silent; but that's irrelevant. Far more relevant is that you haven't even tried to listen to the men and women who have been sexually assaulted (assuming that as an umbrella term) talk about what the word rape means to them. You haven't even tried to find a connotation that is relevant to the experiences of any man or woman who has this as part of their daily reality. It's nice to talk about the definition of rape in a world far away from it. I'm not saying that there's a consensus among the victims; far from it. There is a spectrum of responses, ranging from the most trivial, the most denotative and literalst (like you), and the most liberal. You don't have to accept whatever spectrum of possible definitions come out of that part; but to claim as firm a position on it without listening to them, trying to convince someone who is trying their best to listen, is just blindness. You owe openness then you're giving here.
Quotea.) Nonconsensual sexual activity is a violation of one's personal sanctity that causes extreme emotional harm
b.) Rape is a violation of one's personal sanctity that causes extreme emotional harm
c.) Therefore, all nonconsensual sexual activity is rape
But you are a good listener to what is in front of you. I respect you for that, this is more or less what I'm talking about.
QuoteI think that the second premise is false in the sense that rape has a much more narrow, specific definition that must include insertion (and my view just so happens to coincide with the legal definition--lucky me). You may think otherwise, but I don't really care, quite frankly. Since your definition deviates so widely from the legal one that's commonly used, I see no reason to take it seriously. You can argue all you want that your eccentric view is more 'right,' but anyone could do the same thing with their own competing definition without either of you being definitively 'right,' which is why the legal definition is the only one that should ever be taken seriously in a discussion like this, regardless of how unsatisfactory you may find it.
Lucky you, yeah. You're correct in that you're opinion is fine for you, and does conveniently line up for you. But you're dead wrong that the one I use is worthless.
And denotatively, for every dictionary source you find calling rape penetration, I can find one from a legitimate source calling rape more general than penetration.
Quote from: Socks on December 06, 2009, 03:36:34 AM
it would be better if you were lying to yourself. because on this you're clearly deluded and that's causing you to be stupid. which is a lot worse.
Love you too, socks.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 06, 2009, 05:35:39 AM
Love you too, socks.
woah woah woah, i feel violated, wait a second... i was just raped!
[spoiler] cjlubdoods;[/spoiler]
Quote
You haven't been raised in a sexualized culture with a double-standard of sexuality so ingrained for the male and female that you can be pushed up against the wall and kissed against your will, be fondled or groped, be forced to suck or lick, or having those most vital parts in, and be encouraged to keep silent; but that's irrelevant. Far more relevant is that you haven't even tried to listen to the men and women who have been sexually assaulted (assuming that as an umbrella term) talk about what the word rape means to them. You haven't even tried to find a connotation that is relevant to the experiences of any man or woman who has this as part of their daily reality. It's nice to talk about the definition of rape in a world far away from it. I'm not saying that there's a consensus among the victims; far from it. There is a spectrum of responses, ranging from the most trivial, the most denotative and literalst (like you), and the most liberal. You don't have to accept whatever spectrum of possible definitions come out of that part; but to claim as firm a position on it without listening to them, trying to convince someone who is trying their best to listen, is just blindness. You owe openness then you're giving here.
You don't know he hasn't lived in that kind of environment. You didn't present any proof, to support that he doesn't live in a "sexualized culture." Arguments fall apart when you assume things, don't do it. But, yeah he probably hasn't.
This whole rant accused Slim of being inconsiderate towards people that have been raped. This is something I thought you wouldn't do. So, did I miss the part where Slim said all of this?
QuoteAnd denotatively, for every dictionary source you find calling rape penetration, I can find one from a legitimate source calling rape more general than penetration.
Show us.
Quote from: TheSequel on December 05, 2009, 09:56:57 PM
Show us.
I just looked at 10 different dictionaries and they all list rape as forcing sexual intercourse or sexual activities. O_0
[spoiler]
Quoterape1
ââ,¬Â¢ verb 1 (of a man) force (another person) to have sexual intercourse with him against their will
QuoteThe crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
Quote
1. forcing of somebody into sex: the crime of using force somebody to have sexual intercourse with somebody
Quoteunlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent
Quotethe crime of forcefully having sex with someone against their wish
Quote1. (crime) The act of forcing sexual intercourse or other sexual activity upon another person, without their consent and/or against their will.
Quotethe crime of engaging in sexual acts, esp. involving penetration of the vagina or anus, usually forcibly, with a person who has not consented
Quotethe crime of forcing an unwilling or legally incompetent person to participate in sexual intercourse.
Quoteany act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
Quoteto force to have sexual intercourse.
[/spoiler]
I think PQQU means she will show us sources from testimonies claiming rape is more than just the definition. doodhuh;
I don't know though, I'm confused.
Quote from: WILD4WII1 on December 05, 2009, 09:59:39 PM
I just looked at 10 different dictionaries and they all list rape as forcing sexual intercourse or sexual activities. O_0
I think PQQU means she will show us sources from testimonies claiming rape is more than just the definition. doodhuh;
I don't know though, I'm confused.
Oh, testimonies are biased though. People can think different things, so just because someone says something about a group doesn't make it true. I could say that all people that like cereal also like spaghetti, and say I know because I like cereal. That doesn't make my statement true.
Quote from: TheSequel on December 05, 2009, 10:02:01 PM
Oh, testimonies are biased though. People can think different things, so just because someone says something about a group doesn't make it true. I could say that all people that like cereal also like spaghetti, and say I know because I like cereal. That doesn't make my statement true.
I know, that's why I'm confused.
Quote from: WILD4WII1 on December 05, 2009, 10:05:40 PM
I know, that's why I'm confused.
I checked her profile and she's posting. Fuck this is going to be a long post.
with all due respect, ppqu clearly has a chip on her shoulder. trying to shove some misguided anger in the form of BS beliefs and extreme ideas down our throat is not the best way to deal with it. i refuse to apologize for being a MAN and will never entertain bias against my kind. just because something is of a sexual nature does not grant one a pedestal to commence with drivel that's in essence hatred of the heterosexual male and how we dominate the world and perspective in every sense of the phrase.
THE POWER OF GOD
I understand where Alyssa is coming from, but trying to classify it as rape isn't right.
Also she said she wasn't accosting.... seems like everyone else agrees on it not being rape...
Quote from: TheSequel on December 05, 2009, 09:56:57 PM
You don't know he hasn't lived in that kind of environment. You didn't present any proof, to support that he doesn't live in a "sexualized culture." Arguments fall apart when you assume things, don't do it. But, yeah he probably hasn't/
This whole rant accused Slim of being inconsiderate towards people that have been raped. This is something I thought you wouldn't do. So, did I miss the part where Slim said all of this?
It accuses him of not listening, or trying to. Which is what I fault him for. He recognizes the seriousness of rape, that's clear
QuoteShow us.
Fine. Is 10 the number to beat?
Quote2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
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The "any act" gives a sense of generality, but not quite strong enough.
QuoteThe crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
Hell: a legal definition:
Quoteunlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception ââ,¬â€see also STATUTORY RAPE
NOTE: The common-law crime of rape involved a man having carnal knowledge of a woman not his wife through force and against her will, and required at least slight penetration of the penis into the vagina. While some states maintain essentially this definition of rape, most have broadened its scope esp. in terms of the sex of the persons and the nature of the acts involved. Marital status is usually irrelevant. Moreover, the crime is codified under various names, including first degree sexual assault sexual battery unlawful sexual intercourse, and first degree sexual abuse.
QuoteThe crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse. v. raped, rapÃ,·ing, rapes
To commit rape on.
all from the various sources of dictionary.com.
mirriam webster:
Quote: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent ââ,¬â€ compare sexual assault, statutory rape
via google
QuoteRape is the crime of forcing someone to have sex.
the definition for having sex for which includes:
Quotetake part in a sexual act
The 2nd dictionary.com definition is on multiple online dictionaries
Cambridge
Quoteto force someone to have sex when they are unwilling, using violence or threatening behaviour
where sex is defined as
Quotesexual activity involving the penis or vagina, especially when a man puts his penis into a woman's vagina
yes, a lot of these are secondaries or qualified by especialies. but the general framework supports my point.
infoplease:
Quoteany act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
where sexual intercourse is:
Quotegenital contact, esp. the insertion of the penis into the vagina followed by orgasm; coitus; copulation.
It's a bit of a hair-splitting here, but technically in my favor.
Have I hit 10 yet? I'm not counting.
Only 8. But is it clear that I have a basis here?
7.
Quote from: Socks on December 05, 2009, 10:11:24 PM
with all due respect, ppqu clearly has a chip on her shoulder. trying to shove some misguided anger in the form of BS beliefs and extreme ideas down our throat is not the best way to deal with it. i refuse to apologize for being a MAN and will never entertain bias against my kind. just because something is of a sexual nature does not grant one a pedestal to commence with drivel that's in essence hatred of the heterosexual male and how we dominate the world and perspective in every sense of the phrase.
THE POWER OF GOD
I'm a little girl with a big ego, 'tis true. But some of my best friends are men!
Does that mean if you don't orgasm you didn't have sex?
None of these say groping is rape. They say rape is sexual intercourse... am I missing something?
Quote from: TheSequel on December 05, 2009, 10:21:23 PM
None of these say groping is rape. They say rape is sexual intercourse... am I missing something?
The question is: is rape confined to penetration?
The answer according to this set: sometimes yes, sometimes no.
"sex acts" is deliberately different from "intercourse"
Ah damn, can't count the first dictionary.com one. 7.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 10:22:39 PM
The question is: is rape confined to penetration?
The answer according to this set: sometimes yes, sometimes no.
"sex acts" is deliberately different from "intercourse"
So.. there has to be genital contact? Shit, I'm lost.
Web definitions for rape
Eurasian plant cultivated for its seed and as a forage crop
Quote from: JMV on December 05, 2009, 10:24:27 PM
Web definitions for rape
Eurasian plant cultivated for its seed and as a forage crop
Canola oil, in fact.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
I'm a little girl with a big ego, 'tis true. But some of my best friends are men!
i'm not a racist i have black friends.
you will never convince me that you do not wish the see the heterosexual male become subservient in the role we play on earth
that is delusion, anger, and hatred
and your last post was, frankly, an embarrassment. i suggest you take it down.
Quote from: Socks on December 05, 2009, 10:25:08 PM
i'm not a racist i have black friends.
you will never convince me that you do not wish the see the heterosexual male become subservient in the role we play on earth
that is delusion, anger, and hatred
and your last post was, frankly, an embarrassment. i suggest you take it down.
I've been brainwashed by the feminists he-
DESTROY ALL MEN
*missile*
Fuck, just admit you're wrong and get on with your life. Please, hun. :)
holy god jesus fuck just shut the hell up already every single one of you before i blow my fucking brains out
smithicide;
Quote from: TheSequel on December 05, 2009, 10:29:35 PM
Fuck, just admit you're wrong and get on with your life. Please, hun. :)
It is a tenuous issue, and Slim has a lot of good points. But I think I have a strong enough basis to convince myself after that, and so unless Socks blows me away, I think I'm staying where I am.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 10:32:39 PM
It is a tenuous issue, and Slim has a lot of good points. But I think I have a strong enough basis to convince myself after that, and so unless Socks blows me away, I think I'm staying where I am.
You're going to give into ignorance? Why the hell would you do that to yourself? Are you trolling or something?
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 06, 2009, 05:35:39 AM
*long post*
You haven't been raised in a sexualized culture with a double-standard of sexuality so ingrained for the male and female that you can be pushed up against the wall and kissed against your will, be fondled or groped, be forced to suck or lick, or having those most vital parts in, and be encouraged to keep silent; but that's irrelevant. Far more relevant is that you haven't even tried to listen to the men and women who have been sexually assaulted (assuming that as an umbrella term) talk about what the word rape means to them. You haven't even tried to find a connotation that is relevant to the experiences of any man or woman who has this as part of their daily reality. It's nice to talk about the definition of rape in a world far away from it. I'm not saying that there's a consensus among the victims; far from it. There is a spectrum of responses, ranging from the most trivial, the most denotative and literalst (like you), and the most liberal. You don't have to accept whatever spectrum of possible definitions come out of that part; but to claim as firm a position on it without listening to them, trying to convince someone who is trying their best to listen, is just blindness. You owe openness then you're giving here.
*long post*
Alright, I don't feel like responding point-by-point and rehashing the same things over again; there's doesn't seem to be too much more to say.
Listen, the bottom line is that you prefer some niche, feminist redefining of the term whereas I prefer the actual, established definition. Much of your argument seems to depend on emotion: "you haven't been raised in a sexualized culture where..." "you haven't even tried to find a connotation that is relevant..." "It's nice to talk about the definition of rape in a world far away from it." This simply is not the manner in which I see things. I was unaware that being the victim of a sex crime meant that one suddenly gets to have more sway over what the definition of 'rape' is; I fail to see why their views would be relevant to the definition at all, to be honest. I don't find these emotional arguments persuasive since they falter logically, as all emotional arguments do. You see, this discussion isn't a competition over who can feel more compassion, as you seem to think it is. I assure you that I would be unmoved no matter how many rape victims (and so-called 'rape' victims) I were to talk to, no matter how much I got to know the reality of the situation (as you apparently already do), and would remain steadfast in my opinion of what constitutes rape. That's the difference between you and me, I suppose.
One more thing: I have a question for you. If someone were to ask you if clucky got raped, based on what happened in her story, would you seriously say 'yes' to their question? If so, don't you think that would be a tad sensationalistic and disingenuous?
Wait, Pqqu raped Clucky?
Quote from: Veal on December 05, 2009, 10:46:35 PM
Wait, Pqqu raped Clucky?
No, no, no, no, no, no. You got it all wrong. Hermione married Ron, and Harry Potter married Ron's sister.
Alright, I don't feel like responding point-by-point and rehashing the same things over again; there's doesn't seem to be too much more to say.[/quote]
Good call.
QuoteListen, the bottom line is that you prefer some niche, feminist redefining of the term whereas I prefer the actual, established definition. Much of your argument seems to depend on emotion: "you haven't been raised in a sexualized culture where..." "you haven't even tried to find a connotation that is relevant..." "It's nice to talk about the definition of rape in a world far away from it." This simply is not the manner in which I see things. I was unaware that being the victim of a sex crime meant that one suddenly gets to have more sway over what the definition of 'rape' is; I fail to see why their views would be relevant to the definition at all, to be honest. I don't find these emotional arguments persuasive since they falter logically, as all emotional arguments do. You see, this discussion isn't a competition over who can feel more compassion, as you seem to think it is. I assure you that I would be unmoved no matter how many rape victims (and so-called 'rape' victims) I were to talk to, no matter how much I got to know the reality of the situation (as you apparently already do), and would remain steadfast in my opinion of what constitutes rape. That's the difference between you and me, I suppose.
Ok. This is good, no. I like this: we listen to each other and here's where we are. You paint a very good point that the definition has a niche; despite any establishment, it has not entered the minds of many people. And a lot of feminist theory (which I'm rooted in) contains both emotional elements and somewhat radical counter-theory. Do I think that they're right? Yes. But only a slowly growing number are with me. But we speak different languages, and you're right on a lot of points both in my language and in yours.
Thank you, Slim, that was great.
QuoteOne more thing: I have a question for you. If someone were to ask you if clucky got raped, based on what happened in her story, would you seriously say 'yes' to their question? If so, don't you think that would be a tad sensationalistic and disingenuous?
Sensationalistic? Yes. But that's what I believe in.
Disingenuous? Hmm...it would be somewhat misleading to someone (which is most people) that I know who don't use the definition I use. Depending on how well I knew them, I would talk about what happened, and say "It was not statuatory rape, since there was no penetration; I view it as a rape because those are my views, but you could also call it sexual abuse and have right in saying so." If it was a passerby, I'd say "Sexual assault," because I don't want their casual truth to be taken away from my interpretation when the point is factual.
I'll get the Catholic priest to pray for you Alyssa. You poor, poor soul. How could you have been so misguided.
Also, as far as I know most major cultures regarded females as inferiors. Coincidence?
Quote from: TheSequel on December 05, 2009, 10:48:14 PM
No, no, no, no, no, no. You got it all wrong. Hermione married Ron, and Harry Potter married Ron's sister.
But she's a redhead...
Quote from: TheSequel on December 05, 2009, 10:53:03 PM
What are you trying to say?
That she's an abomination to nature and must be destroyed.
Quote from: TheSequel on December 05, 2009, 10:51:34 PM
I'll get the Catholic priest to pray for you Alyssa. You poor, poor soul. How could you have been so misguided.
Also, as far as I know most major cultures regarded females as inferiors. Coincidence?
The greeks did it the best: they hated women and loved lots of gay sex.
Then the Christians came along and were like "no homo"
and they were like
"awwwwww"
Alternative question. What if the actions in the OP were to happen to a guy?
What would that constitute?
Quote from: JMV on December 05, 2009, 10:56:18 PM
Alternative question. What if the actions in the OP were to happen to a guy?
What would that constitute?
Hot steamy sex.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 10:55:34 PM
The greeks did it the best: they hated women and loved lots of gay sex.
Then the Christians came along and were like "no homo"
and they were like
"awwwwww"
I was trying to get at females being physically (strength) inferior, but okay. :)
Quote from: Veal on December 05, 2009, 10:54:06 PM
That she's an abomination to nature and must be destroyed.
But, she survived Voldemort.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 10:48:27 PMThank you, Slim, that was great.
Okay, you're getting too nicey-nicey now.
I still think your position is pretty stupid, just so you know, so let's not cuddle up just yet.
Quote from: Slim on December 05, 2009, 10:59:37 PM
Okay, you're getting too nicey-nicey now.
I still think your position is pretty stupid, just so you know, so let's not cuddle up just yet.
Oh I know. But we got somewhere by argument. I'm just happy about that. You're still an asshole, but I have some respect for you now!
Quote from: JMV on December 05, 2009, 10:56:18 PM
Alternative question. What if the actions in the OP were to happen to a guy?
What would that constitute?
Rape, in my mind. Part of the reason why I like a more inclusive definition of rape is that penetration requires the logistics of penetration. But I could call this rape for any sex and gendered person doing this to any other sex and gendered person. Which I consider a merit, others may not.
I honestly fear someone like ppqu being on a jury. Where, you know, you're not supposed to have emotional reasoning.
Quote from: Socks on December 05, 2009, 11:03:49 PM
I honestly fear someone like ppqu being on a jury. Where, you know, you're not supposed to have emotional reasoning.
me too
People with views like this are what land men 20 years in prison for accidentally stumbling across CP on the internet.
"HE SAW A LITTLE GIRL ON THE INTERNET, WHETHER WILLINGLY OR NOT, SO HE'S CLEARLY A CHILD RAPIST."
"SOME DUDE TOUCHED HER TITS AND SHE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. HE'S CLEARLY A RAPIST."
It's a scary world we live in.
Uh I don't agree that groping is "rape" but Lawlz that example is a bit dumb.
One is "Willingly or not" being labeled a child rapist and one is intentionally groping a person against their will. Whether they do anything about it doesn't make it right or wrong.
1. If it did, that would be like saying actual rape isn't rape if the victim doesn't go to the police.
2. It'd be another story if a guy touched a girl's tits accidentally since he obviously didn't intend to do so.
Quote from: Socks on December 05, 2009, 11:03:49 PM
I honestly fear someone like ppqu being on a jury. Where, you know, you're not supposed to have emotional reasoning.
Oh socks, you have no idea how much of a cold hearted rational motherfucker I can be. It's just, I spent my entire youth doing that. It's boring.
Plus, I'm not totally an emotional thinker. Since emotions don't listen to logic, if I was functioning on only an emotional level, I would not listen to Slim. But I do!
And I would never let semantic stuff like this get in the way of someone's life or jailtime, thank you. I'm better than that.
I'll just torture boyah for a few hours instead. :D
I imagined the smiley with an evil laugh.
And all was well in the Forums of Boyah.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 11:03:21 PMOh I know. But we got somewhere by argument. I'm just happy about that. You're still an asshole, but I have some respect for you now!
You have respect for me now? Ew. In that case, I take everything back.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 11:11:07 PMOh socks, you have no idea how much of a cold hearted rational motherfucker I can be.
You should show us some of that some time.
Quote from: Slim on December 05, 2009, 11:19:31 PM
You have respect for me now? Ew. In that case, I take everything back.
You should show us some of that some time.
Put your cock back in your mouth, you speak better.
Sure thing, just throw me on a jury and see what happens.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 11:11:07 PM
I'm better than that.
Being a passionate fellow myself, you'll have to pardon me for taking a handful of salt. If anything has been positively demonstrated tonight it's your persistent will and self-righteousness feature. I don't buy the whole light switch aspect of your character and conduct. Our beliefs are what define us individuals, and they stem from things far deeper and more powerful than our conscious mind and public words. Needless to say, let us hope some poor soul isn't the testing ground for this possibility.
Quote from: Socks on December 05, 2009, 11:24:48 PM
Being a passionate fellow myself, you'll have to pardon me for taking a handful of salt. If anything has been demonstrated tonight it's your persistent will and self-righteousness. I don't buy the whole light switch aspect of your character and conduct. Our beliefs are what define us individuals and they stem from things far deeper and more powerful than our conscious mind and public words. Needless to say, let us hope some poor soul isn't the testing ground for this possibility.
Not just a grain, hmmm? Yeah, I'm persistent and I refuse to back down when I feel I have a basis. Anyway, I respect you too, and if your cock is nearly as long as Slim's you should put it back in your mouth.
Quote from: Slim on December 05, 2009, 11:33:44 PM
Not possible.
I don't use rulers to measure the length of things. So maybe possible. hocuspocus;
I quote the same post twice and post different replies each time.
Quote from: JMV on December 05, 2009, 11:38:01 PM
I quote the same post twice and post different replies each time.
Oh. You must have two windows of Boyah open and a pretty exciting mind then. n_u
Quote from: Socks on December 05, 2009, 11:39:49 PM
Oh. You must have two windows of Boyah open and a pretty exciting mind then.
Why did you delete your post?
Quote from: Socks on December 05, 2009, 11:39:49 PM
Oh. You must have two windows of Boyah open and a pretty exciting mind then. n_u
Yes I do.
Quote from: JMV on December 05, 2009, 11:40:12 PM
Why did you delete your post?
Because I made two posts by accident? And you must be bored. doodthing;
Quote from: Socks on December 05, 2009, 11:41:24 PM
Because I made two posts by accident? And you must be bored. doodthing;
You missed the joke.
Quote from: Socks on December 05, 2009, 11:41:24 PM
Because I made two posts by accident? And you must be bored. doodthing;
Very.
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on December 05, 2009, 11:35:01 PM
She said cock, not ego.
ZING
LOL!!!
btw, this thread is ten pages long now, guys. LET'S TRY TO MAKE IT ELEVEN.
Quote from: Slim on December 05, 2009, 11:47:34 PM
LOL!!!
btw, this thread is ten pages long now, guys. LET'S TRY TO MAKE IT ELEVEN.
If this post doesn't land on page 11 I won't lock it.
Oh ehm gee let's see how big we can get this thread
We need to start another argument now. Arguments are good for lengthening threads.
JMV YOU'RE UGLY AND PATHETIC AND EVERYONE HATES YOU
Everybody loves raymond.
womyn unite!
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on December 05, 2009, 11:53:42 PM
women unite!
you misspelled 'women.'
there, i fixed it for you. you're welcome. :)
God damn Slim why do you have to be so GOD DAMNED MEAN. Also Jimmy has never shaved his pubes, as a result his zipper always gets caught.
Also, fuck feminism.
I trim my pubes.
Quote from: TheSequel on December 05, 2009, 11:55:44 PMGod damn Slim why do you have to be so GOD DAMNED MEAN.
My parents didn't love me as a child. :'(
Quote from: Slim on December 06, 2009, 12:03:44 AM
My parents didn't love me as a child. :'(
Its cuz you always threw temper tantrums.
Quote from: Slim on December 06, 2009, 12:03:44 AM
My parents didn't love me as a child. :'(
It's ok, Jesus loves you. :)
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on December 06, 2009, 12:39:47 AM
It's ok, Jesus loves you. :)
Now if only he were real, so that his love would actually mean something. :'(
Quote from: Slim on December 06, 2009, 12:42:03 AM
Now if only he were real, so that his love would actually mean something. :'(
dude, don't you know that unreal love is the best kind?
jesus loves everyone, even rapists :D
Quote from: Slim on December 05, 2009, 11:51:44 PM
We need to start another argument now. Arguments are good for lengthening threads.
JMV YOU'RE UGLY AND PATHETIC AND EVERYONE HATES YOU
facts don't create arguments usually :|
Quote from: JMV on December 06, 2009, 01:37:35 PM
Intelligent Design
Exactly. Intelligent Design is a fact but for some reason some people don't get that.
Quote from: Veal on December 06, 2009, 01:44:11 PM
Exactly. Intelligent Design is a fact but for some reason some people don't get that.
lol
Holy shit, this thread is awful
You guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves baddood;
so can we get a follow up or what
I was having fun. akudood;
pop lock and drop it
Quote from: Hïro on December 06, 2009, 04:45:09 PM
Holy shit, this thread is awful
You guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves baddood;
nah i'm pretty sure this is like the best thread ever.
Yes, where is the argument?
Oh man, such a great thread. The nostalgia! giggle;