I guess that's what happens at Long Island schools. What the shitting fuck.
Holy shit O_0 in broad daylight?
Anyways that is just disgusting and I feel bad for her :( poor girl
Quote from: Echo on September 15, 2009, 06:48:43 PM
Holy shit O_0 in broad daylight?
Anyways that is just disgusting and I feel bad for her :( poor girl
No, in a dorm.
Still. I just... yeah.
I just realized maybe this should be moved to serious discussion since it's a pretty serious matter.
proof?
Quote from: Nyerp on September 15, 2009, 07:06:10 PM
proof?
What the fuck kind of twisted motive would I have for making this up? But here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/nyregion/16hofstra.html
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on September 15, 2009, 07:16:58 PM
What the fuck kind of twisted motive would I have for making this up? But here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/nyregion/16hofstra.html
that said she was raped on sunday, not today
you liar :|
You go to Hofstra?
Quote from: Bassir on September 15, 2009, 07:23:41 PM
You go to Hofstra?
Yessir.
Quote from: Nyerp on September 15, 2009, 07:20:55 PM
that said she was raped on sunday, not today
you liar :|
Well gee sorry my mistake I just found out about it.
kill the bros
Your school has a night club?
Quote from: JMV on September 15, 2009, 07:59:51 PM
Your school has a night club?
There's a row of like 4 in a row just off campus. Only one of them is really any good though.
Though I have not been to all of them yet.
Was the walmart where people were trampled to death also in long island?
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on September 15, 2009, 07:24:39 PM
Yessir.
If you ever meet a Britanny McFadden say hi for me
Quote from: YPR on September 15, 2009, 08:03:05 PM
Was the walmart where people were trampled to death also in long island?If you ever meet a Britanny McFadden say hi for me
I would but I'm pretty sure if I say "YPR says hi," she would just be really confused and avoid me in the future..
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on September 15, 2009, 08:06:30 PM
I would but I'm pretty sure if I say "YPR says hi," she would just be really confused and avoid me in the future..
Just say aubrey then, she transferred from my college. Though she's always studying so you probably won't find her
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on September 15, 2009, 08:06:30 PM
I would but I'm pretty sure if I say "YPR says hi," she would just be really confused and avoid me in the future..
One less horribly awful fish out of the sea! bassir;
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on September 15, 2009, 08:13:01 PM
One less horribly awful fish out of the sea! bassir;
Hey she's actually not a complete bitch baddood;
Quote from: YPR on September 15, 2009, 08:17:15 PM
Hey she's actually not a complete bitch baddood;
But she's your friend akudood;
[spoiler]sorry >.<[/spoiler]
i bet she deserved it
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on September 15, 2009, 08:19:29 PM
But she's your friend akudood;
[spoiler]sorry >.<[/spoiler]
Pqqu you're a terrible mean person
Quote from: YPR on September 15, 2009, 08:22:58 PM
Pqqu you're a terrible mean person
I worry about that sometimes, actually.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on September 15, 2009, 08:23:47 PM
I worry about that sometimes, actually.
I'm sure you can be mean when given reason... you've survived on outsider for a good long time
Quote from: YPR on September 15, 2009, 08:27:19 PM
I'm sure you can be mean when given reason... you've survived on outsider for a good long time
And in a small private 6 year boy's school.
But the Unitarians think I'm some sort of saint. I tend to chill out a lot when I'm with them, my meanness is a result of stress of insecurity.
OR IF THEY DESERVE IT madood;
[spoiler] >.< >.< >.< >.< >.< >.<[/spoiler]
do you know her?
wow what the fuck
nothing remotely bad i can recall has happened at my little university while i've been here
Every time I hear about long island, it always involves something bad.
In Texas, that shit don't fly, and I've never heard about it at the large university I plan to go to. Y'know Charles Whitman? Got shot before he could even be put on trial.
That's horrible.
I want to rape Ms. Pyrate. :3
Quote from: coz on September 16, 2009, 05:54:23 AM
Every time I hear about long island, it always involves something bad.
In Texas, that shit don't fly, and I've never heard about it at the large university I plan to go to. Y'know Charles Whitman? Got shot before he could even be put on trial.
It's the only good thing about Texas.
Anyone who does something terrible to a woman or child is brutally murdered.
I like it.
You go to Hofstra?
You go to Hofstra?
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on September 16, 2009, 12:34:09 PM
Really guys? Yes, I do. What of it?
[spoiler]You go to Hofstra?[/spoiler]
Wait do you really go to Hofstra?
Just curious is all.
I was at the USA party.
Quote from: King Shishkebaboo on September 16, 2009, 09:55:32 AM
I want to rape Ms. Pyrate. :3
It's the only good thing about Texas.
Anyone who does something terrible to a woman or child is brutally murdered.
I like it.
because men are all more deserving of crimes lol
Quote from: JMV on September 16, 2009, 02:26:56 PM
because men are all more deserving of crimes lol
Silly James. giggle;
wait, you seriously go to Hofstra? like legit?
I know Hofstra.
HOFSTRA
man you yankees have really cool names for shit
I love Long Island :(
Sucks for the girl
speaking of rape, i think i saw one of the guys who tried to rape some girl a couple of years ago at school today.
oddly enough we used to be sort of friends.
Quote from: RDX on September 16, 2009, 05:11:54 PM
speaking of rape, i think i saw one of the guys who tried to rape some girl a couple of years ago at school today.
oddly enough we used to be sort of friends.
was he the same one who didnt knew where the penis went
Quote from: GUOB on September 16, 2009, 05:29:22 PM
was he the same one who didnt knew where the penis went
no this guy is black and he's about as stupid as link332
wait they found jimmy hoffa?
Well, the girl recanted her statement, now saying it was a consensual orgy.
can we make fun of her yet
What a trick.
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on September 17, 2009, 08:31:27 AM
can we make fun of her yet
(http://www.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.1454751.1253156369%21image/3563565965.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/3563565965.jpg)
Quote from: Ari Gold on September 17, 2009, 09:59:28 AM
What a trick.
(http://www.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.1454751.1253156369%21image/3563565965.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/3563565965.jpg)
That's hilarious. I honestly lol'd.
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/61/l_9656f51ae9e9089e600bb5b03af48bc0.jpg)
Ew.
With as many sexy ass girls as there is at Hofstra, they could have at least picked someone that didn't look like a troll.
Quote from: Ari Gold on September 17, 2009, 10:03:25 AM
With as many sexy ass girls as there is at Hofstra
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?
Also I think only the ones who look like trolls would agree to something like that.
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on September 17, 2009, 10:04:28 AM
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?
Didn't you see the post I made yesterday?
Quote from: Ari Gold on September 16, 2009, 12:39:31 PM
Just curious is all.
I was at the USA party.
+ I'm taking classes at NCC right now since I didn't have enough credits to transfer to the school I wanted to go to, so I'm basically right around the corner from you guys.
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on September 17, 2009, 10:04:28 AM
Also I think only the ones who look like trolls would agree to something like that.
There are always exceptions, but for the most part you're right.
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on September 17, 2009, 08:31:27 AM
Well, the girl recanted her statement, now saying it was a consensual orgy.
can we make fun of her yet
I think she should be charged since even accusing someone of that can ruin the guy's life.
Quote from: JMV on September 17, 2009, 10:10:55 AM
I think she should be charged since even accusing someone of that can ruin the guy's life.
i dunno they seem pretty happy
Quote from: Man of Popsicle on September 17, 2009, 10:14:06 AM
i dunno they seem pretty happy
Because they're not going to jail now. baddood;
If they had been brought to court, they would be in newspapers, LOL NANCY GRACE, etc. It wouldn't matter to the public if they were guilty or not.
Look at the Duke case when they were quick to side with the stripper who had a history of filing false rape charges and such. The guys were suspended from Lacrosse, the stripper kept her identity a secret for a long time, while innocent guys were labeled rapists.
she deserves jail time. akudood;
Quote from: JMV on September 17, 2009, 10:10:55 AM
I think she should be charged since even accusing someone of that can ruin the guy's life.
She better be, prosecutors have yet to decide whether or not to press charges right now, but if they don't...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090917/ap_on_re_us/us_hofstra_rape_hoax;_ylt=As_E.3yvlMFxZbh6N6Xchbus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFlbnN1OW0yBHBvcwM3MgRzZWMDYWNjb3JkaW9uX3Vfc19uZXdzBHNsawNob2ZzdHJhcmFwZWE-
damnit you guys posted it before me
what a twist giggle;
i hope she ends up in jail baddood;
baddood; What a bitch...
Where is tyler i want his input on how all men are pigs and should be put the death if the victim is a woman or child yet you have this situation where the woman lied and could have sent 5 men to jail for the rest of their lives.
tyler's form of justice would have killed innocent 5 men because his misandry baddood;
Quote from: Ready To Die on September 17, 2009, 10:03:25 AM
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/61/l_9656f51ae9e9089e600bb5b03af48bc0.jpg)
Ew.
With as many sexy ass girls as there is at Hofstra, they could have at least picked someone that didn't look like a troll.
She goes to Hofstra?
Quote from: Nyerp on September 17, 2009, 12:26:42 PM
She goes to Hofstra?
since when were black girls in college? akudood;
Quote from: JMV on September 17, 2009, 12:28:17 PM
since when were black girls in college? akudood;
since affirmative action :O
Quote from: JMV on September 17, 2009, 12:16:20 PM
Where is tyler i want his input on how all men are pigs and should be put the death if the victim is a woman or child yet you have this situation where the woman lied and could have sent 5 men to jail for the rest of their lives.
tyler's form of justice would have killed innocent 5 men because his misandry baddood;
You can be pretty harsh sometimes, man.
Could she technically be put on charges for libel / slander? Even I can't take her side on this one.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on September 17, 2009, 01:06:54 PM
You can be pretty harsh sometimes, man.
Could she technically be put on charges for libel / slander? Even I can't take her side on this one.
he advocated killing someone just because the "victim" is a woman akudood;
She's being charged with filing a false police report, but I really think reporting a false rape itself should be a felony.
Quote from: JMV on September 17, 2009, 01:09:36 PM
he advocated killing someone just because the "victim" is a woman akudood;
She's being charged with filing a false police report, but I really think reporting a false rape itself should be a felony.
It feels like, in your logical universe, one claim or statement damns someone, and after that repeatedly it's your job to bring it up. It's like you dredge these things out of the ether. I understand it fits with what you think is right or wrong, but it's still harsh. :(
It's always better to report than not to report, so that would be an unhelpful law.
Stupid bitch. How do you get an orgy mixed up with rape?
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on September 17, 2009, 01:14:04 PM
It feels like, in your logical universe, one claim or statement damns someone, and after that repeatedly it's your job to bring it up. It's like you dredge these things out of the ether. I understand it fits with what you think is right or wrong, but it's still harsh. :(
It's always better to report than not to report, so that would be an unhelpful law.
It's multiple claims or statement that it's men are pigs who are selfish yet women don't do anything wrong and then stating that they should be killed that he's made. wariodood;
How would it be unhelpful, legit rapes aren't false reports. Having consensual sex or not even having sex at all and then reporting a rape is. akudood;
explain how you would protect people from this. akudood;
editttt: time for scenario. tyler gets his wish of crimes where women and children are victims becoming capital offenses (because men don't matter and women aren't capable of crimes just as heinous or worse. but it's okay that laws can be discriminatory. he hates mexicans too, so they can get double capital punishment.).
he serves on the jury and helps to convict 5 men of raping the woman and due to his misandry all 5 are executed. it is then that the student admits she lied and it was consensual. how would he confront the families of each of the 5 guys who lost their brother/son/cousin/grandson/whatever because tyler couldn't put aside his hatred of men.
my points are:
1. He made a comment supporting a highly discriminatory law based on his own bigotry
2. He still hasn't admitted that maybe women aren't the victims
all of the time and it's very clear that the men are. I'm sure he'll accuse 5 men of being pigs for having sex with one woman, yet not say anything about the woman having sex with 5 men. It's because men having sexuality = dirty piggy but women can.
3. This is exactly why capital punishment is a horrible idea.
He shouldn't be so bigoted. akudood;
I think she should be punished too. It isn't just one life she tried to ruin. Jail time seems appropriate to me. baddood;
Reminds me of this one case from last summer, some girl said she was raped a blocks away in a parking lot after work. Gave the police a composite sketch and everything, then like two weeks later admitted she made it up. I'm not sure how much trouble she was in, but she got in some trouble no doubt. baddood;
Well, of coures she was a total fraud in this case! She went to Bernie Madoff's college!
Quote from: coz on September 18, 2009, 06:11:01 AM
Well, of coures she was a total fraud in this case! She went to Bernie Madoff's college!
madood;
I hope you realize Hofstra is the dirtiest school in the nation. Poor choice.
My cousin used to go there as a cheerleader. But she broke her foot last year and wound up transferring.
Aww, thanks you guys.
But seriously you can go fuck yourselves.
Quote from: JMV on September 18, 2009, 04:41:03 AM
It's multiple claims or statement that it's men are pigs who are selfish yet women don't do anything wrong and then stating that they should be killed that he's made. wariodood;
And you take him literally?
QuoteHow would it be unhelpful, legit rapes aren't false reports. Having consensual sex or not even having sex at all and then reporting a rape is. akudood;
explain how you would protect people from this. akudood;
It so incredibly difficult to get accurate rape statistics because of the shame and hate that the ghosts of a patriarchical culture have placed on rape victims. There exists so much shame, so much fear (both founded and unfounded), and thus many cases go unreported. I can get you the few reports that have come out on this subject if you'd like.
I'm not saying the woman is always right, and there is a very significant, and in my mind disturbing tendency of the courts to automatically side with the woman. But the unreported cases outweigh these. The media jumps on the false-rape claims because it's a good story, of good and evil and justification and moral ambiguity; no one gives a shit about all the women who are too scared to say anything. Having a serious consequence for rape cases ruled a problem
Women are more the victims of rape culture than men are. That isn't to say that the "no means prison" problem for men is nothing.
Quoteeditttt: time for scenario. tyler gets his wish of crimes where women and children are victims becoming capital offenses (because men don't matter and women aren't capable of crimes just as heinous or worse. but it's okay that laws can be discriminatory. he hates mexicans too, so they can get double capital punishment.).
he serves on the jury and helps to convict 5 men of raping the woman and due to his misandry all 5 are executed. it is then that the student admits she lied and it was consensual. how would he confront the families of each of the 5 guys who lost their brother/son/cousin/grandson/whatever because tyler couldn't put aside his hatred of men.
a) I could say this two ways. One: two wrongs don't make a right. Two: his opinion is absolutely, positively, no excuse for these hypergeneralized and directly agressive attacks. Chill.
b) Since in both cases the judge is assumed to be the same, and the prosecutors the same, and since the
jurors don't have influence on legal preceedings, just on decisions in the end after evidence and testimony, and that cases involving the death penalty are handled at least as carefully as cases not involving the death penalty, if not far more so, she would come clean during trial. So this wouldn't happen. Even if she didn't come clean and the men were going to be convicted, you're assuming she cares more about her reputation than those of the five men, which was not on the line in the original case.
c) And then even if she came clean after then, each of the jurors followed legal process: they took the evidence had and presented to them. I don't agree with the death penalty ever, but if it was in place and legal for these crimes, then the Jurors acted according to legal process, and thus will have only their own consciences to deal with.
Quotemy points are:
1. He made a comment supporting a highly discriminatory law based on his own bigotry
2. He still hasn't admitted that maybe women aren't the victims all of the time and it's very clear that the men are. I'm sure he'll accuse 5 men of being pigs for having sex with one woman, yet not say anything about the woman having sex with 5 men. It's because men having sexuality = dirty piggy but women can.
3. This is exactly why capital punishment is a horrible idea.
1. I don't agree with that law. But putting whatever reasons he gave under the umbrella of bigotry is a disservice to your sense of truth, and moreover his sense of self.
2. The men are the victims here. It's representative of a trend. But you're putting motivations in his mouth. Rationalize it all you want, but that's not a cool thing to do. If you're taking the privilege of detailed discussion, then it would be best to have some respect for viewpoints, no matter how much you are opposed to it, and to not throw awful words in their mouth.
3. Agreed well enough.
QuoteHe shouldn't be so bigoted. akudood;
Neither should anyone. Neither should you.
How am I in this conversation? akudood;
Quote from: JMV on September 17, 2009, 01:09:36 PM
but I really think reporting a false rape itself should be a felony.
...It's
not?! O_0
Not rhetorical, I'm really clueless about this stuff, but what the fuck.
Quote from: King Shishkebaboo on September 18, 2009, 01:54:48 PM
How am I in this conversation? akudood;
You said if the victims are women and children they should be executed akudood;
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on September 18, 2009, 12:43:32 PM
And you take him literally?
When he posts it incessantly yes. madood;
QuoteIt so incredibly difficult to get accurate rape statistics because of the shame and hate that the ghosts of a patriarchical culture have placed on rape victims. There exists so much shame, so much fear (both founded and unfounded), and thus many cases go unreported. I can get you the few reports that have come out on this subject if you'd like.
You can't let people go for reporting false rapes because genuine rapes might not be reported.
And there is also that whole stigma that male rape victims get stigmatized and mocked.
QuoteI'm not saying the woman is always right, and there is a very significant, and in my mind disturbing tendency of the courts to automatically side with the woman. But the unreported cases outweigh these. The media jumps on the false-rape claims because it's a good story, of good and evil and justification and moral ambiguity; no one gives a shit about all the women who are too scared to say anything. Having a serious consequence for rape cases ruled a problem
QuoteWomen are more the victims of rape culture than men are. That isn't to say that the "no means prison" problem for men is nothing.
In numbers, yes.
In terms of getting justice, no. Cases of male rape are much more underreported. Partially because the man receives public ridicule, there are a lot of people who go "lol you cant' raep men", and several other social things
Quotea) I could say this two ways. One: two wrongs don't make a right. Two: his opinion is absolutely, positively, no excuse for these hypergeneralized and directly agressive attacks. Chill.
which wrongs. I support no capital punishment and I support having equal punishments for equal crimes, regardless of the gender/race/religion/etc.
His opinion is based on the fact that he has a heterophobic misandry streak akudood;
Quoteb) Since in both cases the judge is assumed to be the same, and the prosecutors the same, and since the jurors don't have influence on legal preceedings, just on decisions in the end after evidence and testimony, and that cases involving the death penalty are handled at least as carefully as cases not involving the death penalty, if not far more so, she would come clean during trial. So this wouldn't happen. Even if she didn't come clean and the men were going to be convicted, you're assuming she cares more about her reputation than those of the five men, which was not on the line in the original case.
It is a hypothetical. There was a video showing it was consensual show it wouldn't have gotten far in trial.
Quotec) And then even if she came clean after then, each of the jurors followed legal process: they took the evidence had and presented to them. I don't agree with the death penalty ever, but if it was in place and legal for these crimes, then the Jurors acted according to legal process, and thus will have only their own consciences to deal with.
Exactly. I'm asking how his conscience would be. akudood;
Quote1. I don't agree with that law. But putting whatever reasons he gave under the umbrella of bigotry is a disservice to your sense of truth, and moreover his sense of self.
He dislikes heterosexual men.
Refer to "all men are selfish pigs"
Quote2. The men are the victims here. It's representative of a trend. But you're putting motivations in his mouth. Rationalize it all you want, but that's not a cool thing to do. If you're taking the privilege of detailed discussion, then it would be best to have some respect for viewpoints, no matter how much you are opposed to it, and to not throw awful words in their mouth
It's not throwing words in his mouth when he said "all men are pigs". That alone, in the legal system would disqualify him for the jury just as a member of the KKK would be disqualified.
Quote3. Agreed well enough.
except hitler. i support killing hitler akudood;
Quote
Neither should anyone. Neither should you.
What was I saying that was bigoted ma'am? akudood;
Quote from: Thyme on September 18, 2009, 02:28:53 PM
...It's not?! O_0
Not rhetorical, I'm really clueless about this stuff, but what the fuck.
The only charge is "filing a false report" which is only a misdemeanor.
I'm not saying she should get the 20 years or whatever for the rape, but if it's clearly a fabricated story(video evidence, impossibilities in her accusation, like the guy she accused was on the other side of the country, etc) then yes she should be charged with a felony.
pqqu, I agree that actual rape victims deserve justice, but as long as you are letting women like this make frivolous claims, they are doing much more to prevent actual victims from receiving justice than punishing people who abuse the legal system ever could. It brings doubt into the mind of every juror with "what if she's lying too?".
Quote from: JMV on September 18, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
He dislikes heterosexual men.
Refer to "all men are selfish pigs"
Silly James.
I don't like gay men either.
Quote from: King Shishkebaboo on September 18, 2009, 02:35:27 PM
Silly James.
I don't like gay men either.
so you admit you dislike men.
pqqu claims i was putting words in your mouth. baddood;
Quote from: JMV on September 18, 2009, 02:37:07 PM
so you admit you dislike men.
pqqu claims i was putting words in your mouth. baddood;
No PQQU, James is right.
I hate men. But I also hate women.
I hate everything.
Everyone.
I'm a lonely little piggy in the field. :'(
Not hate as in I can't stand their guts. Because I love you guys. cjlubdoods;
I guess I mean when it comes to relationships and dating.
Quote from: King Shishkebaboo on September 18, 2009, 02:38:23 PM
No PQQU, James is right.
I hate men. But I also hate women.
I hate everything.
Everyone.
I'm a lonely little piggy in the field. :'(
you are a big piggie :3
are you a black and white piggie though they are cute.
Quote from: JMV on September 18, 2009, 02:41:54 PM
you are a big piggie :3
are you a black and white piggie though they are cute.
Pink with a white belly. cjlubdoods;
And I'm the cutest fat piggy ever. :3
Quote from: JMV on September 18, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
I'm not saying she should get the 20 years or whatever for the rape, but if it's clearly a fabricated story(video evidence, impossibilities in her accusation, like the guy she accused was on the other side of the country, etc) then yes she should be charged with a felony.
Yeah, she should. At least 6 months. akudood;
Of course, nothing could compensate for the damages she could have done to the guy's reputation, even is he's declared not guilty and she's declared guilty of fabrication. akudood;
[spoiler]god this pisses me off akudood;[/spoiler]
Quote from: Thyme on September 18, 2009, 02:49:04 PM
Yeah, she should. At least 6 months. akudood;
Of course, nothing could compensate for the damages she could have done to the guy's reputation, even is he's declared not guilty and she's declared guilty of fabrication. akudood;
[spoiler]god this pisses me off akudood;[/spoiler]
I'm not sure if laws in Canada are different in that way but
Less than a year is a misdemeanor while over a year is a felony.
2-5 years, with possibly up to 10 (like all crimes, sentence depends on factors) seems fair.
False rape accusations can cost guys relationships with girlfriends/wives/family members/coworkers. That's something most can never get back.
Quote from: JMV on September 18, 2009, 02:51:08 PM
I'm not sure if laws in Canada are different in that way but
Less than a year is a misdemeanor while over a year is a felony.
2-5 years, with possibly up to 10 (like all crimes, sentence depends on factors) seems fair.
Ah. No, I'm just clueless. giggle;
Quote
False rape accusations can cost guys relationships with girlfriends/wives/family members/coworkers. That's something most can never get back.
But yeah, that. akudood;
Tyler you confuse me so badly. doodella;
Quote from: JMV on September 18, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
You can't let people go for reporting false rapes because genuine rapes might not be reported.
Totally agreed! But I also don't think that the law should be strengthened too much, as it would have negative consequences. 2-5 years seems appropriate.
QuoteAnd there is also that whole stigma that male rape victims get stigmatized and mocked.
In numbers, yes.
In terms of getting justice, no. Cases of male rape are much more underreported. Partially because the man receives public ridicule, there are a lot of people who go "lol you cant' raep men", and several other social things
I'd challenge that trend as more prevalent than female rape nonreporting, but you raise a very important point.
I should've been more clear. Male rape is a serious fucking problem, over which there's even more of a stereotype, to a point that it's more damaging than female rape. What I meant, and failed to express, that in the typical model of female reporting / not reporting rape and the male being / not being found guilty, the woman is more wronged by the current system than the man. Male rape raises a different, but very important, dynamic that I didn't touch on.
Quotewhich wrongs. I support no capital punishment and I support having equal punishments for equal crimes, regardless of the gender/race/religion/etc.
Name one person who tyler's belief has hurt. My sense was that you're harshing him pretty hard, beyond what the normal back-and-forth of discussion is. I still have that sense, because they're just his opinions about capital punishment. His opinions about other people based on sex or gender is a) his problem, and b) between he and whomever he offends.
QuoteIt is a hypothetical. There was a video showing it was consensual show it wouldn't have gotten far in trial.
Well, alright. But I didn't get any sort of convincing out of it.
QuoteExactly. I'm asking how his conscience would be. akudood;
Ask him, then!
Quote
He dislikes heterosexual men.
Refer to "all men are selfish pigs"
Rerefer to "I hate everyone" followed by "I love you all"
The only conclusion that I can draw about tyler is that he confuses me
AND I LOVE YOU FOR IT, TYTY <3
Quoteexcept hitler. i support killing hitler akudood;
Well, he beat you to it.
QuoteWhat was I saying that was bigoted ma'am?
This was be going too far, being too critical. It was a completely wrong claim on my part, and a result of my pissiness / unsureness about what Tyler really says. I am really sorry. :(
Quoteakudood;The only charge is "filing a false report" which is only a misdemeanor.
I'm not saying she should get the 20 years or whatever for the rape, but if it's clearly a fabricated story(video evidence, impossibilities in her accusation, like the guy she accused was on the other side of the country, etc) then yes she should be charged with a felony.
That's a good point. Rape should be taken seriously, and it's not something to trifle with. I think for both punishment-outweighing-crime reasons, and for not being a deterrant for women to bring up ambiguous cases who have reason to believe they were raped, a 2-5 year sentence is cool.
A thought: how would you define such a law? Would she have to report the rape and it be consensual, thus not a rape charge? These false charges are made for many different reasons, most of which are not legitimate. But I can't help but wonder...eh, I guess it would be best for the law to not worry about that, and let the sliding sentence worry about that.
Quotepqqu, I agree that actual rape victims deserve justice, but as long as you are letting women like this make frivolous claims, they are doing much more to prevent actual victims from receiving justice than punishing people who abuse the legal system ever could. It brings doubt into the mind of every juror with "what if she's lying too?".
Maybe! The courts already have a pretty strong bias toward the female, and I don't think this could change that. The fact still stands: a person crying "rape" when he/she/xe is completely aware it was consensual is an awful thing, and needs a stronger deterrant / punishment sentence behind it.
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on September 18, 2009, 06:48:26 PM
Name one person who tyler's belief has hurt. My sense was that you're harshing him pretty hard, beyond what the normal back-and-forth of discussion is. I still have that sense, because they're just his opinions about capital punishment. His opinions about other people based on sex or gender is a) his problem, and b) between he and whomever he offends.
It's very hurtful that he calls me a pig.
And I am offended by the notion of [anyone] advocating inequality under the law--especially since, as a homosexual, he has to fight such.
QuoteAsk him, then!
I did baddood;
QuoteA thought: how would you define such a law? Would she have to report the rape and it be consensual, thus not a rape charge? These false charges are made for many different reasons, most of which are not legitimate. But I can't help but wonder...eh, I guess it would be best for the law to not worry about that, and let the sliding sentence worry about that.
Consensual or completely fabricated stories.
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Maybe! The courts already have a pretty strong bias toward the female, and I don't think this could change that. The fact still stands: a person crying "rape" when he/she/xe is completely aware it was consensual is an awful thing, and needs a stronger deterrant / punishment sentence behind it.
Yes. baddood;
Quote from: JMV on September 18, 2009, 07:02:27 PM
It's very hurtful that he calls me a pig.
But he also loves you! Or something!
the longest page in the world
Quote from: JMV on September 18, 2009, 07:02:27 PM
It's very hurtful that he calls me a pig.
And I am offended by the notion of [anyone] advocating inequality under the law--especially since, as a homosexual, he has to fight such.
That's bull and you know it. What he says could
potentially be hurtful, but does it hurt you specifically? I doubt it. Or at least I would hope that it doesn't.
Quote from: RDX on September 18, 2009, 10:59:31 PM
That's bull and you know it. What he says could potentially be hurtful, but does it hurt you specifically? I doubt it. Or at least I would hope that it doesn't.
which one are you refering to baddood;
I love you guys.
So don't go and break that.
Or you little piggies will regret it. giggle;
Quote from: King Shishkebaboo on September 19, 2009, 09:41:51 AM
I love you guys.
So don't go and break that.
Or you little piggies will regret it. giggle;
Don't threaten us tyler, we love you too. >.<
Its probably the only way those can get pussy
*guys
Quote from: Kefka on September 19, 2009, 11:17:46 AM
Its probably the only way those can get pussy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090917/ap_on_re_us/us_hofstra_rape_hoax;_ylt=As_E.3yvlMFxZbh6N6Xchbus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFlbnN1OW0yBHBvcwM3MgRzZWMDYWNjb3JkaW9uX3Vfc19uZXdzBHNsawNob2ZzdHJhcmFwZWE-
Quote from: Alyssa the Glowing Sole on September 19, 2009, 11:07:45 AM
Don't threaten us tyler, we love you too. >.<
I love the smell of bacon. :3
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/hofstra-false-gang-rape-accuser-won-t-be-charged-1.1475704?localLinksEnabled=false
...Oh. :|
Danmell Ndonye baddood;