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yeah some of these options are silly but i want to see how some people respond and if some people really are crazy akudood;

third from the top

I don't believe in God and I believe we evolved.

Quote from: Alan on March 17, 2009, 07:01:55 PM
third from the top

oops i forgot to finish that one. i meant to include 'and evolved from there' which is silly

uhm you can change your vote if you want.

and are you srs

I don't believe in Yahweh (that's the one you mean right? hocuspocus;) and I believe we evolved.

That sentence doesn't cover everything but it is, in itself, true.

Quote from: Thyme on March 17, 2009, 07:12:35 PM
I don't believe in Yahweh (that's the one you mean right? hocuspocus;) and I believe we evolved.

That sentence doesn't cover everything but it is, in itself, true.

I said "God" not a god so yes.

I don't know if this fits the fourth option, but I basically believe God created the world whenever it began and He had a plan for humanity to inherit the earth. He may have created humanity through evolution.

Quote from: YPR on March 17, 2009, 07:25:19 PM
I don't know if this fits the fourth option, but I basically believe God created the world whenever it began and He had a plan for humanity to inherit the earth. He may have created humanity through evolution.

yeah that'd be the fourth.

I believe in God and that I don't know what to believe as far as evolution goes beyond that. It seems to be supported by science, but that could be trickery, you know, something affected by the flood or... something. I really don't know anything about it beyond the basics taught in Biology, and I don't care, which sounds ignorant but there's a million things to study and whether we evolved or not doesn't affect my belief in a God or how I should live.

in short, i don't know ;_;

i belive God is smart and jamvey is dumb  baddood;

H: idk

uhm why are like the first 49320432 options the same thing

I believe that God created the world 6000 years ago and we evolved from there
I believe we evolved a long time ago but God created the world.

goonish

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 18, 2009, 11:57:40 AM
uhm why are like the first 49320432 options the same thing

I believe that God created the world 6000 years ago and we evolved from there
I believe we evolved a long time ago but God created the world.

goonish

Second option is earlier than 6000 years ago.

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 18, 2009, 11:57:40 AM
uhm why are like the first 49320432 options the same thing

I believe that God created the world 6000 years ago and we evolved from there
I believe we evolved a long time ago but God created the world.

goonish

durp

a. God created the world 4000bc and somehow, we evolved from there even though lol 6000 years isn't enough to develop a human species.
b. God created the world/universe/penis billions of years ago and we evolved over millions of years.

NAWT the same woman.  baddood;

I don't think that there are many accurate measures of time described in the Bible, in many passages Days, months, years, and such are used interchangeably and/or figuratively.
"For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night."- Psalm 90:4

The whole thing, if true seems like a plausible enough outline of pre-history
First there is the void of space, followed by the light of the sun, eventually the earth is created with water, and later still land rises, bringing plant-life.
At some point the moon appears and sea-creatures are created, followed by flying ones (only part that would seem to possibly contradict scientific evidence)
after another "day" The earth would bring forth creatures as well, then after another period Humankind is made.

Even in the Bible there are seemingly two creation stories. Either this "god" is very incompetent or those ancient authors made a mistake.

Quote from: Socks on March 18, 2009, 08:31:23 PM
Even in the Bible there are seemingly two creation stories. Either this "god" is very incompetent or those ancient authors made a mistake.

The Bible is the infallible word of the Lord. DIE HOMOS akudood; akudood;

Even when I was a Christian, I thought that 6000 years thing was bullshit. baddood;

I never even learned the 6000 years thing and I went to Catholic school lol

Quote from: YPR on March 18, 2009, 09:12:57 PM
I never even learned the 6000 years thing and I went to Catholic school lol

Well Ussher wasn't a Catholic lol.

He basically just took shit from using Jesus' ancestry and when people were born and died and linked it back until Adam & Eve.

I have no clue how he got October 27th though.


I tried to do that when I was in like third grade, but I started with Adam & Eve.  I got confused after I got to Noah's children.  akudood;

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:17:36 PM
Well Ussher wasn't a Catholic lol.

Oh, that explains it then... silly Protestants n_u

Quote from: YPR on March 18, 2009, 09:21:26 PM
Oh, that explains it then... silly Protestants n_u

making shit up as they go.  akudood;

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:22:38 PM
making shit up as they go.  akudood;

I don't know about you, but it sounds like a religion to me n_u

You should change the name to "Troll Discussion" if you're going to keep this up.

Quote from: YPR on March 18, 2009, 09:25:16 PM
I don't know about you, but it sounds like a religion to me n_u

i heard they believe in this guy who made everything but you can't see him. xD

Quote from: Veal on March 18, 2009, 09:25:46 PM
You should change the name to "Troll Discussion" if you're going to keep this up.

Uhm, it was a legitimate discussion about James Ussher and his seemingly random work of using dates to find "the age of the earth" which is where a lot of Young Earth Creationists get their "facts"

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:27:35 PM
i heard they believe in this guy who made everything but you can't see him. xD

Lol yeah, don't they know by now that everything spontaneously generated out of nothing xD

Quote from: YPR on March 18, 2009, 09:29:07 PM
Lol yeah, don't they know by now that everything spontaneously generated out of nothing xD

where are your gods now. akudood;

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Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:37:42 PM
where are your gods now. akudood;

Actually it goes that God was always there, not that he came from anything...

It would still make more sense for something supernatural to come from nothing than something of the natural world to spontaneously generate

Quote from: YPR on March 18, 2009, 09:40:49 PM
Actually it goes that God was always there, not that he came from anything...

It would still make more sense for something supernatural to come from nothing than something of the natural world to spontaneously generate

Who would you trust with with your child's future akudood;
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Stephen_Hawking.StarChild.jpg)
(http://www.topnews.in/files/pope_benedict.jpg)


what does this prove, nothing at all

actually, logically it makes no sense that something would always exist and stuff and it wouldn't make sense for something super natural to come from nothing because there would be no back story to its powers. dur

also the 'universe came out of nowhere' is based on nothing. we really can't know since the laws of physics most likely  differed due to the hypothesized 'superforce' probably fucking shit up and dicks and lol

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:49:12 PM
Who would you trust with with your child's future akudood;
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Stephen_Hawking.StarChild.jpg)
(http://www.topnews.in/files/pope_benedict.jpg)


what does this prove, nothing at all

I am utterly confused by everything above, but impressed that you were able to make Benedict somehow look good through juxtaposition

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:49:12 PM

actually, logically it makes no sense that something would always exist and stuff and it wouldn't make sense for something super natural to come from nothing because there would be no back story to its powers. dur

also the 'universe came out of nowhere' is based on nothing. we really can't know since the laws of physics most likely  differed due to the hypothesized 'superforce' probably fucking shit up and dicks and lol

I didn't say anything about logic, I'm just stating no one believes he came from nothing.

And you can't judge the supernatural logically, because logically, the supernatural does not exist, so therefore any argument you make about it is moot.

How do physics exist when there is nothing?

who says there was nothing. as far as we know the universe could be a chain of collapses and big bangs, and once this universe collapses, it will cause another big bang. baddood;

or maybe some other string theory shit or something involving multi-verses. ask the people who work in billion dollar labs and PHDs.  akudood;


but yeah for the former stuff, in before OKAY WHERE DID THE FIRST UNIVERSE COME FROM because if you will use 'he always existed' then they always existed  akudood;

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:59:21 PM
who says there was nothing.

I thought we disproved spontaneous generation

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:59:21 PM

but yeah for the former stuff, in before OKAY WHERE DID THE FIRST UNIVERSE COME FROM because if you will use 'he always existed' then they always existed  akudood;

Except physical things can't just come from nothing and they couldnt have just been there for all time. It doesn't seem like something scientists would be willing to accept anyway... They'd always be looking for whatever created that.

God is an exception to the rule because he is outside of the physical world, so he doesn't require a timeline.

Quote from: YPR on March 18, 2009, 10:06:10 PM
I thought we disproved spontaneous generation

uhm we did when it comes to life and matter, but as i said, the physics of the early(as i mean in planck time) universe differed greatly as the four forces had yet to even separate.

QuoteExcept physical things can't just come from nothing and they couldnt have just been there for all time. It doesn't seem like something scientists would be willing to accept anyway... They'd always be looking for whatever created that.

sometimes i make stuff up because it sounds cool.

but really, the conditions of the early universe varied so differently scientists are still trying to understand but it has nothing to do with a God, but if they somehow go OH LOL LOOK GOD LEFT A NOTE ill go okay cool lol other lol

QuoteGod is an exception to the rule because he is outside of the physical world, so he doesn't require a timeline.

you know that's really stupid and it's the same as kids playing the floor is lava and one kid losing and going WELL I'M WEIRING TITANIUM BOOTS SO I DON'T DIE akudood;
you can't exempt your own deity from the laws of the universe.  akudood;

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 10:13:40 PM
uhm we did when it comes to life and matter, but as i said, the physics of the early(as i mean in planck time) universe differed greatly as the four forces had yet to even separate.

that doesn't prove anything, it just buys time for your argument

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 10:13:40 PM

sometimes i make stuff up because it sounds cool.

it has nothing to do with a God, but if they somehow go OH LOL LOOK GOD LEFT A NOTE ill go okay cool lol other lol

I don't know what that has to do with anything... but you can't definitively say God had nothing to do with it

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 10:13:40 PM

you know that's really stupid and it's the same as kids playing the floor is lava and one kid losing and going WELL I'M WEIRING TITANIUM BOOTS SO I DON'T DIE akudood;
you can't exempt your own deity from the laws of the universe.  akudood;

Except it's really nothing like that at all, maybe you're just making up stuff because it sounds cool

Quote from: YPR on March 18, 2009, 10:22:52 PM
that doesn't prove anything, it just buys time for your argument

what

Quote
I don't know what that has to do with anything...

yeah it should have been pretty clear when i posted the comic that i really don't care today and i'm not trying and just seeing how long i can continue this without actually saying anything important

Quotebut you can't definitively say God had nothing to do with it

Well, I can.  And then beyond a reasonable doubt, and many unreasonable ones I can also say that a god had nothing to do with it. akudood;

QuoteExcept it's really nothing like that at all, maybe you're just making up stuff because it sounds cool

if your argument for why he can do what he does is that he is outside the physical world and is thus exempt it is the same except instead of the floor is lava it's the universe is complex

also it took me like 5 tries to make that post go through stupid smf

oh god i broke somethign brb

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 10:28:15 PM

if your argument for why he can do what he does is that he is outside the physical world and is thus exempt it is the same except instead of the floor is lava it's the universe is complex

Except no one is claiming these titanium boots created the universe. I think it's clear that if there is a creator of the universe that he would have to exist outside of the timeline of his creations because he existed before them and any notion or definition of time

Quote from: YPR on March 18, 2009, 10:34:13 PM
Except no one is claiming these titanium boots created the universe. I think it's clear that if there is a creator of the universe that he would have to exist outside of the timeline of his creations because he existed before them and any notion or definition of time

then explain pantheism and its view that god is the universe

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 19, 2009, 01:24:43 AM
then explain pantheism and its view that god is the universe

Had never read up on it before... interesting theory... Not one that I believe in however. That is more along the lines of your comic where the world and God both suddenly appear from nothing

God created space and time. Him having "always" been around implies that he is within the limits of time and has been around for negative infinity. Wrong. He's just been around since the beginning of time, and "before" that, although that implies that there was time before time.

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:27:35 PM
Uhm, it was a legitimate discussion about James Ussher and his seemingly random work of using dates to find "the age of the earth" which is where a lot of Young Earth Creationists get their "facts"

I was talking about

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 08:33:43 PM
The Bible is the infallible word of the Lord. DIE HOMOS akudood; akudood;

and

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:22:38 PM
making shit up as they go.  akudood;

and

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 18, 2009, 09:27:35 PM
i heard they believe in this guy who made everything but you can't see him. xD

This thread sucks.

Quote from: Slim on March 19, 2009, 01:19:55 PM
This thread sucks.

yes but the poll is cool

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 19, 2009, 01:32:40 PM
yes but the poll is cool

No one--except for a few rednecks maybe--literally believes in Genesis so your poll is silly.

It should have simply been "do you believe in evolution y/n."
...Or not been made at all. baddood;

Quote from: Slim on March 19, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
No one--except for a few rednecks maybe--literally believes in Genesis so your poll is silly.

It should have simply been "do you believe in evolution y/n."
...Or not been made at all. baddood;

I'm sure we'll get at least 1 serious vote for a literal interpretation.  akudood;

I don't really have any strong opinion on whether or not we were created by someone or what. I can't make an opinion on where we came from.

But I do believe we escape the physical world and enter a different one when we die.

I thought that Christians believed that God was there before he created the universe, therefore before time, space, and any of the natural laws were created.  They didn't ever say that God poofed out of nothing. baddood;

Quote from: Cyanide on March 21, 2009, 07:49:36 PM
I thought that Christians believed that God was there before he created the universe, therefore before time, space, and any of the natural laws were created.  They didn't ever say that God poofed out of nothing. baddood;

Precisely

Quote from: Cyanide on March 21, 2009, 07:49:36 PM
I thought that Christians believed that God was there before he created the universe, therefore before time, space, and any of the natural laws were created.  They didn't ever say that God poofed out of nothing. baddood;

but god's origin still isn't answered

since god is always said to have always existed before the creation of everything and stuff, that leads people to think that god just came out of nowhere

Quote from: Ezlo on March 22, 2009, 07:50:53 AM
but god's origin still isn't answered

since god is always said to have always existed before the creation of everything and stuff, that leads people to think that god just came out of nowhere

this is why children need to be taught intelligent design right along with evolution so their education about where we come from isn't so one-sided  baddood;

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 22, 2009, 09:06:11 AM
this is why children need to be taught intelligent design right along with evolution so their education about where we come from isn't so one-sided  baddood;

why don't their parents teach them evolution then so it's not one sided.

There is also

QuoteThe term "intelligent design" came into use after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the 1987 case of Edwards v. Aguillard that to require the teaching of "creation science" alongside evolution was a violation of the Establishment Clause, which prohibits state aid to religion.

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 22, 2009, 09:13:31 AM
why don't their parents teach them evolution then so it's not one sided.

lawl its the parents choice to teach their children whatever they want to
nobody says "YOU MUST TEACH YOUR CHILDREN RELIGION BEFORE THEY TAKE BIOLOGY"
im sure you'll teach your children evolution when they're babies  baddood;

also

QuoteIntelligent design is the term used for the assertion that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection." It is a modern form of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of God that avoids specifying the nature or identity of the designer.

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 22, 2009, 09:15:59 AM
lawl its the parents choice to teach their children whatever they want to
nobody says "YOU MUST TEACH YOUR CHILDREN RELIGION BEFORE THEY TAKE BIOLOGY"
im sure you'll teach your children evolution when they're babies  baddood;

yet religious indoctrination occurs as a child.
baptism, blah.

and i dont think babies could understand evolution as easily as they would be able to understand creation

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 22, 2009, 09:17:43 AM
yet religious indoctrination occurs as a child.
baptism, blah.

im assuming you've never heard of adults becoming baptisted  bassir;
and not all christians baptize their children

and i didn't literally mean babies

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 22, 2009, 09:19:52 AM
im assuming you've never heard of adults becoming baptisted  bassir;

Like Jesus. doodhuh;

Or born agains.

when you assume you make the fonz cry akudood;

Quote
and not all christians baptize their children

BUT IF THE BABY DIES THEY WILL NOT BE SAVED FROM THE ORIGINAL SIN akudood;

Quote
and i didn't literally mean babies

I will not mention religion(and in that case, also not going LOL THERE IS NO GOD) to my childrins and let them decide once they are old enough  akudood;

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 22, 2009, 09:06:11 AM
this is why children need to be taught intelligent design right along with evolution so their education about where we come from isn't so one-sided  baddood;

yes lets teach our children about the flying spaghetti monster

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 22, 2009, 09:27:01 AM
BUT IF THE BABY DIES THEY WILL NOT BE SAVED FROM THE ORIGINAL SIN akudood;

Not true. The bible clearly states that all children before the age where they can recognize their own sin are basically given a free ticket to Heaven if they die.

Quote from: Ezlo on March 22, 2009, 07:50:53 AM
but god's origin still isn't answered

"origin" implies that he's within the confines of time.

Quote from: Kaz on March 22, 2009, 10:41:57 AM
Not true. The bible clearly states that all children before the age where they can recognize their own sin are basically given a free ticket to Heaven if they die.

uhm then explain the whole LOL BABIES ARE STUCK IN LIMBO IF NOT BAPTIZED  akudood;

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 22, 2009, 10:51:22 AM
uhm then explain the whole LOL BABIES ARE STUCK IN LIMBO IF NOT BAPTIZED  akudood;

you're thinking of catholics i think and they are dumb

Quote from: Veal on March 22, 2009, 10:52:49 AM
you're thinking of catholics i think and they are dumb

ifi t was clearly stated in the bible why would catholics believe it.

catholics are assholes.

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 22, 2009, 10:51:22 AM
uhm then explain the whole LOL BABIES ARE STUCK IN LIMBO IF NOT BAPTIZED  akudood;

Just another case of Christians who don't bother following the Bible and making up their own rules.

I don't believe in the Christian God. Not one bit do I believe in that and I can accept evolution but to be honest that interests me very little.

I believe in god though. I believe that I'm god, and that you are god and that JMV and YPR are both god and veal and my mother and my father and so on.

in that case i'm sending slim and jmv to hell

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 22, 2009, 10:54:25 AM
ifi t was clearly stated in the bible why would catholics believe it.

i don't know ask catholics :|

Quote from: Veal on March 22, 2009, 11:17:58 AM
in that case i'm sending slim and jmv to hell

little subjective islands in an objective world  akudood;

existence precedes essence so they'll be okay when they're dead.

Quote from: Skylark on March 22, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
existence precedes essence so they'll be okay when they're dead.

unless i send them to hell

Quote from: Skylark on March 22, 2009, 11:10:42 AM
I don't believe in the Christian God. Not one bit do I believe in that and I can accept evolution but to be honest that interests me very little.

I believe in god though. I believe that I'm god, and that you are god and that JMV and YPR are both god and veal and my mother and my father and so on.

<3

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 22, 2009, 10:54:25 AM
ifi t was clearly stated in the bible why would catholics believe it.

i have no idea

Many denominations actually believe that it is necessary to baptize to "save" someone, but at the same time, the Bible doesn't seem to say that it's necessary (not that I've noticed), and of course the Bible says that children in particular don't need saving anyway. Other denominations simply see it as a symbol of death and rebirth or immersion in Christ, or a simple cleansing, or even just a way to become a full church member, but do not see it as a way to be saved, rather stating that the only way to be saved is to pray for Jesus to enter your heart, forgive you of your sins, etc. and of course for you to maintain that faith consistently.

If I have children, I'm not going to introduce them to religion.

Since they'll probably be exposed to it in school, and they'll ask me what I think, I'll tell them the truth.

I'll always allow them to believe what they want. That's the freedom I didn't have as a child.

Quote from: Skylark on March 22, 2009, 11:10:42 AMI believe in god though. I believe that I'm god, and that you are god and that JMV and YPR are both god and veal and my mother and my father and so on.

That's so poetic. VEAL, HUG ME. ;___;

Quote from: Veal on March 22, 2009, 11:24:08 AM
unless i send them to hell

unless i send you there first. baddood;

Quote from: Slim on March 22, 2009, 01:03:16 PM
That's so poetic. VEAL, HUG ME. ;___;
unless i send you there first. baddood;

woah she said i'm god not you

Quote from: Veal on March 22, 2009, 01:04:03 PM
woah she said i'm god not you

she also said "and so on" which implies that everyone is a god, not just the people she listed.
FEAR MY GOD POWERS baddood;

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 22, 2009, 10:54:25 AM
ifi t was clearly stated in the bible

where

Quote from: Tarkus on March 22, 2009, 12:11:03 PM
If I have children, I'm not going to introduce them to religion.

Since they'll probably be exposed to it in school, and they'll ask me what I think, I'll tell them the truth.

I'll always allow them to believe what they want. That's the freedom I didn't have as a child.

you still are a child  doodthing;

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 22, 2009, 01:55:54 PM
where

uhm read my reply to kaz


he said it was. i was questioning it doodhuh;

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 22, 2009, 01:55:54 PM
where

you still are a child  doodthing;

if you're not retarded (like you are) then you would've known that she was implying when she was younger

its okay im just helping you out

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 22, 2009, 10:51:22 AM
uhm then explain the whole LOL BABIES ARE STUCK IN LIMBO IF NOT BAPTIZED  akudood;

I was taught babies go to heaven if not baptized, and I'm Catholic doodhuh;

Quote from: lacette on March 22, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
catholics are assholes.

Not true. I don't think I qualify as an asshole

Quote from: YPR on March 22, 2009, 03:55:57 PM
I was taught babies go to heaven if not baptized, and I'm Catholic doodhuh;

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/221601/pope_benedict_xvi_changes_catholic.html?cat=7

For the pope to change the church's stance it had to have that stance.  akudood;

Quote from: Ezlo on March 22, 2009, 03:14:50 PM
if you're not retarded (like you are) then you would've known that she was implying when she was younger

its okay im just helping you out

ezlo
shut the fuck up
you're like six years old and nobody actually takes you seriously psyduck;


and no fucking shit, a person with down's syndrome could figure out what she said, which apparently, you did
im just reinforcing that she shouldn't consider herself anything but a child still, considering she's only a freshman in high school

hey i can grow facial hair and i have a lot of pubic hair and stuff does this mean i'm not a child anymore or what?
baddood;

Quote from: Slim on March 22, 2009, 05:01:49 PM
hey i can grow facial hair and i have a lot of pubic hair and stuff does this mean i'm not a child anymore or what?
baddood;

do you still sleep in a carbed with working radios so you can talk to other carbeds

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 22, 2009, 04:55:21 PM
ezlo

hy

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 22, 2009, 04:55:21 PM
shut the fuck up

nah

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 22, 2009, 04:55:21 PM
you're like six years old and nobody actually takes you seriously psyduck;

Are you quite sure about that?

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 22, 2009, 04:55:21 PM


and no fucking shit, a person with down's syndrome could figure out what she said, which apparently, you did
im just reinforcing that she shouldn't consider herself anything but a child still, considering she's only a freshman in high school

except you completely missed the point of her post and decided to be the elitist douche that you are and nitpick on something completely irrelevant

I guess I'm the only fundamentalist here!

Quote from: Zach on March 27, 2009, 09:11:41 PM
I guess I'm the only fundamentalist here!

please tell me you are joking dude

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 27, 2009, 09:14:13 PM
please tell me you are joking dude

Eh, I don't know entirely what I believe other than there's a God.

Quote from: Zach on March 27, 2009, 09:17:35 PM
Eh, I don't know entirely what I believe other than there's a God.

But the Christian God?

That made the world only 6000 years ago? What about dinosaurs?
Or that people lived in the Americas for thousands of years before that akudood;

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 27, 2009, 09:25:56 PM
But the Christian God?

That made the world only 6000 years ago? What about dinosaurs?
Or that people lived in the Americas for thousands of years before that akudood;

Yes, the Christian God.

I really don't know how we got here. I don't think that you have to necessarily take a stance. I just believe that we somehow got here through God.

Oh, and since you asked about dinosaurs, here's the fundamentalist explanation: they were created along with all other animals and died out at some point.

Died out at what point?

24 hours after God made them so they didn't eat people?

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 27, 2009, 09:54:13 PM
Died out at what point?

24 hours after God made them so they didn't eat people?

Don't ask me.  I'm not really a fundamentalist.

Though, you could argue that dinosaurs weren't necessarily high in population and didn't stray far beyond their hunting grounds, allowing humans to set up villages away from the dinos.  hocuspocus;

THEY DIED THROUGH BIG BANG DUH LOL

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 28, 2009, 02:30:17 PM
THEY DIED THROUGH BIG BANG DUH LOL

AND GOD SAID LET THERE BE MILK SHAKES.


they really died when Xenu set off the h-bombs to kill the thetans.  akudood;

Quote from: ₭€₩₦ on March 28, 2009, 02:32:02 PM
AND GOD SAID LET THERE BE MILK SHAKES.


they really died when Xenu set off the h-bombs to kill the thetans.  akudood;

*milkshakes

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 28, 2009, 02:35:21 PM
*milkshakes

no he is going to shake the milk

wat

my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 28, 2009, 02:40:33 PM
wat

He works in mysterious ways.

God is a backwards Dog

I don't believe in creation or evolution, and I don't think I will ever believe in either one. spam;

Also may I make a thread where I ask Christians questions about the contradictions I have seen in the Bible?  Or can that go in here?

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 08:00:04 PM
I don't believe in creation or evolution, and I don't think I will ever believe in either one. spam;

Also may I make a thread where I ask Christians questions about the contradictions I have seen in the Bible?  Or can that go in here?

It'll probably work in here.

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 08:00:04 PM
I don't believe in creation or evolution, and I don't think I will ever believe in either one. spam;

Also may I make a thread where I ask Christians questions about the contradictions I have seen in the Bible?  Or can that go in here?

whatever one you want

also lol evolution. what about bugs that evolve to be resistant to insecticide?  too lazy to find the doonesbury comic but if you had a bacterial infection where it evolved to be resistant to the anti-bacterial 50 years ago would you use the original one or the improved one?

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 08:03:34 PM
whatever one you want

also lol evolution. what about bugs that evolve to be resistant to insecticide?  too lazy to find the doonesbury comic but if you had a bacterial infection where it evolved to be resistant to the anti-bacterial 50 years ago would you use the original one or the improved one?

Use it for what?  baddood;

I know that this is most likely a completely ignorant opinion (in your eyes), but I just believe that the bible is too simple of an explanation to explain how the universe was created, and that the universe is too complex for the evolution theory to be completely reliable.  Sorry. ;-;

Question #1:  What was the real order of creation?  The Bible jumps around a lot with that.

Question #2: According to the Bible, Jesus has said three different things before he died according to three different New Testament authors.  Did he somehow die three times?  Explain?

Quote from: Bolivian Army on March 30, 2009, 08:16:52 PM
Use it for what?  baddood;

probably getting rid of your bacterial infection

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
I know that this is most likely a completely ignorant opinion (in your eyes), but I just believe that the bible is too simple of an explanation to explain how the universe was created, and that the universe is too complex for the evolution theory to be completely reliable.  Sorry. ;-;

evolution and the creation of the universe have nothing to do with eachother.  doodhuh;

also answer about bacteria akudood;

QuoteQuestion #1:  What was the real order of creation?  The Bible jumps around a lot with that.

don't question it. it's the infallible word of god while also full of errors by man at the same time.

QuoteQuestion #2: According to the Bible, Jesus has said three different things before he died according to three different New Testament authors.  Did he somehow die three times?  Explain?

this one is easy.  he is all powerful and placed 3 of his disciples in 3 different timelines to view his death and then once he died their timelines merged.




i just made that last thing up

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 08:20:39 PM
evolution and the creation of the universe have nothing to do with eachother.  doodhuh;

Gah that's not what I meant. >:\

I meant life in the universe. akudood;

evolution also has nothing to do with the origin of life.

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 08:20:39 PM
probably getting rid of your bacterial infection

can't i just evolve to be resistant to it like the bugs did?

Quote from: Bolivian Army on March 30, 2009, 08:26:23 PM
can't i just evolve to be resistant to it like the bugs did?

are you holding a leaf stone

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 08:24:30 PM
evolution also has nothing to do with the origin of life.

GOD DAMNIT STOP THAT ;-;

I'm going to break it down as simply as I can.  Organismismism changing over time to another organism.

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 08:26:51 PM
are you holding a leaf stone

is that some pokemon nerd thing

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 08:29:51 PM
GOD DAMNIT STOP THAT ;-;

I'm going to break it down as simply as I can.  Organismismism changing over time to another organism.

it's actually a species changing. the organism itself doesn't ever evolve into another organism.

so do you use antibiotics or not akudood;

Quote from: Bolivian Army on March 30, 2009, 08:33:23 PM
is that some pokemon nerd thing

battleship trek

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
I know that this is most likely a completely ignorant opinion (in your eyes), but I just believe that the bible is too simple of an explanation to explain how the universe was created, and that the universe is too complex for the evolution theory to be completely reliable.  Sorry. ;-;

Question #1:  What was the real order of creation?  The Bible jumps around a lot with that.

Question #2: According to the Bible, Jesus has said three different things before he died according to three different New Testament authors.  Did he somehow die three times?  Explain?

First off, please provide the verses if you can for question two. That'd be easier than reading through all of it looking for the quotations.

Also, I'm going to copy/paste some stuff from various websites, so it probably won't read as one coherent argument.

Anyway, about the order of creation, there are many different theories, with perhaps the most popular one being that Genesis was compiled from the writing of many different authors. However, many Christians argue against that theory.

The argument that you'll see the most from Christians is that the first chapter (plus the first three verses of chapter two) is the creation of the world from the standpoint of God, while the second chapter is from the standpoint of man. Some suggest that Hebrew scriptures use different names for God throughout, depending on the characteristics of God which the author wished to emphasize. They argue that across the Hebrew scriptures, the use of Elohim in the first segment suggests "strength," focusing on God as the mighty Creator of the universe, while the use of Yahweh in the second segment suggested moral and spiritual natures of deity, particularly in relationship to the man.

The modern division of the Bible into chapters dates from c.1200 AD, and the division into verses somewhat later. The distinction between Genesis 1 and 2 is therefore a relatively recent development. Many Biblical scholars regard Genesis as beginning with two accounts of the creation, 1:1-2:3 and 2:4b-2:25, each with its own focus of attention, with 2:4a forming a bridge between them. The argument is based on several grounds, notably the fact that Genesis 1 uses the phrase "heavens and earth" to introduce and close the Creation, while the account in Chapter 2 is introduced by the phrase "earth and heavens."

Some Bible students resolve this alleged contradiction simply by explaining that the Hebrew verb translated ââ,¬Å"formedââ,¬Â� could easily have been translated ââ,¬Å"had formed.ââ,¬Â� In his Exposition of Genesis, H.C. Leupold stated:

Quote"Without any emphasis on the sequence of acts the account here records the making of the various creatures and the bringing of them to man. That in reality they had been made prior to the creation of man is so entirely apparent from chapter one as not to require explanation. But the reminder that God had ââ,¬Å"moldedââ,¬Â� them makes obvious His power to bring them to man and so is quite appropriately mentioned here. It would not, in our estimation, be wrong to translate yatsar as a pluperfect in this instance: ââ,¬Å"He had molded.ââ,¬Â� The insistence of the critics upon a plain past is partly the result of the attempt to make chapters one and two clash at as many points as possible."

Hebrew scholar Victor Hamilton agreed with Leupoldââ,¬â,,¢s assessment of Genesis 2:19 as he also recognized that ââ,¬Å"it is possible to translate formed as ââ,¬Ëœhad formedââ,¬â,,¢ ââ,¬Â�. Keil and Delitzsch stated in the first volume of their highly regarded Old Testament commentary that ââ,¬Å"our modern style for expressing the same thought [which the Holy Spirit, via Moses, intended to communicateââ,¬â€�EL] would be simply this: ââ,¬ËœGod brought to Adam the beasts which He had formedââ,¬â,,¢ ââ,¬Â�. Adding even more credence to this interpretation is the fact that the New International Version (NIV) renders the verb in verse 19, not as simple past tense, but as a pluperfect: ââ,¬Å"Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air." Although Genesis chapters one and two agree even when yatsar is translated simply ââ,¬Å"formedââ,¬Â� (as we will notice in the remainder of this article), it is important to note that the four Hebrew scholars mentioned above and the translators of the NIV , all believe that it could (or should) be rendered ââ,¬Å"had formed.ââ,¬Â� And, as Leupold acknowledged, those who deny this possibility do so (at least partly) because of their insistence on making the two chapters disagree.

I can find more stuff to post, but at this point I think that I'm running the risk of this being a completely incoherent blob.

On a final note, is it not reasonable to assume the intent of the stories was not necessarily to demonstrate the specific methodology of creation to a stone age people but rather to teach about the nature of God, not to explain the specific biological, geological, or biochemical specifics?

Zach:
"Eloi Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - Mark and Matthew
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2015:34&version=31;
too lazy to search for matthew's account. i think his might have been in hebrew/aramaic (whatever this one wasn't in)

"It is finished" - John
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2019:30;&version=31;

"Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." - Luke
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2023:46;&version=31;


with the former, it sounds like he is upset that he has to do it. akudood;

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 08:38:31 PM
it's actually a species changing. the organism itself doesn't ever evolve into another organism.

so do you use antibiotics or not akudood;

...you've always got to come out on top don't you akudood;

yes, and i know you've got a million facts to support evolution to go with that


also if i hear the answer "translation error LOL" as an answer to my second question i will personally tear up all the bibles in the world and remake them as toilet paper >:\

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 08:57:23 PM
...you've always got to come out on top don't you akudood;

yes, and i know you've got a million facts to support evolution to go with that


also if i hear the answer "translation error LOL" as an answer to my second question i will personally tear up all the bibles in the world and remake them as toilet paper >:\

i will have your answer, but it may not necessarily be tonight, so sit tight.

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 08:57:23 PM
...you've always got to come out on top don't you akudood;

yes, and i know you've got a million facts to support evolution to go with that

I spread reason through the tcp/ip akudood;

Quote
also if i hear the answer "translation error LOL" as an answer to my second question i will personally tear up all the bibles in the world and remake them as toilet paper >:\

I like my theory of Jesus using his powers to place each in their own timeline.

Quote from: Zach on March 30, 2009, 09:01:53 PM
i will have your answer, but it may not necessarily be tonight, so sit tight.

just use my answer, it is much better.

who would win jesus or sylar  baddood;

and if sylar won would he become our savior  akudood;

Question #3: Judas, Judas, Judas.  He betrayed Jesus, felt guilty, hung himself.  I'm not sure if it was said if he went to heaven or hell, but the latter would totally prove God as an unjust God.  It was Jesus' plan that he would be betrayed by his disciple resulting in his death.  Couldn't he just prevent that from happening?

This question might have mistakes because the only story I know by heart is Samson and Delilah lol

unicron

unicron always wins

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 09:09:51 PM
Question #3: Judas, Judas, Judas.  He betrayed Jesus, felt guilty, hung himself.  I'm not sure if it was said if he went to heaven or hell, but the latter would totally prove God as an unjust God.  It was Jesus' plan that he would be betrayed by his disciple resulting in his death.  Couldn't he just prevent that from happening?

if judas's betrayal of jesus was required for jesus to be sacrificed for humanity's sins would that also mean that sending judas to hell would be assbackwards?

jesus died for humanity's sins and rules over all
judas died to allow jesus to die for our sins and suffers in hell forever.
akudood; akudood;
not that i believe either, but it is an interesting philosophical/theologic issue akudood;

QuoteThis question might have mistakes because the only story I know by heart is Samson and Delilah lol

what about jonah and the whale

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 09:13:58 PM
unicron

unicron always wins
if judas's betrayal of jesus was required for jesus to be sacrificed for humanity's sins would that also mean that sending judas to hell would be assbackwards?

jesus died for humanity's sins and rules over all
judas died to allow jesus to die for our sins and suffers in hell forever.
akudood; akudood;
not that i believe either, but it is an interesting philosophical/theologic issue akudood;

what about jonah and the whale

That's basically what I thought.  Instead of waiting for someone to turn him in like he predicted and basically condemn Judas, wouldn't turning himself in be the just thing to do.  If Judas didn't snitch Jesus wouldn't die, but he had to because that was what he predicted and whatever God said would happen, had to happen.

I'm prepared to say with 100% confidence that Jonah and the whale is a complete joke. baddood;

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 09:09:51 PM
Question #3: Judas, Judas, Judas.  He betrayed Jesus, felt guilty, hung himself.  I'm not sure if it was said if he went to heaven or hell, but the latter would totally prove God as an unjust God.  It was Jesus' plan that he would be betrayed by his disciple resulting in his death.  Couldn't he just prevent that from happening?

This question might have mistakes because the only story I know by heart is Samson and Delilah lol

Jesus didn't make Judas do anything - it was Judas' own choice to betray Jesus. Jesus isn't going to stop anyone from sinning, as you have to make that call.

Quote from: Zach on March 30, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
Jesus didn't make Judas do anything - it was Judas' own choice to betray Jesus. Jesus isn't going to stop anyone from sinning, as you have to make that call.

So, if I pulled a gun on your father, would you let me shoot him since it's my call? Or would you stop me from 'sinning'?

Quote from: Zach on March 30, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
Jesus didn't make Judas do anything - it was Judas' own choice to betray Jesus. Jesus isn't going to stop anyone from sinning, as you have to make that call.

Jesus has stopped people from sinning when he went apeshit on the temple. baddood;

Fun Fact: If Judas went to hell for ever and ever and ever, so that Jesus could suffer for our sins and then go peacefully to heaven, Judas obviously received the short end of the stick.  So Judas suffered more for our 'sins' than Jesus did. akudood;

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 09:40:44 PM
So, if I pulled a gun on your father, would you let me shoot him since it's my call? Or would you stop me from 'sinning'?

although i too am an atheist zach is not the son of god so that point is kind of silly as the teaching is that people have free will so that they can make decisions like that akudood;

So did you guys agree to disagree yet or what.

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 09:09:51 PM
Question #3: Judas, Judas, Judas.  He betrayed Jesus, felt guilty, hung himself.  I'm not sure if it was said if he went to heaven or hell, but the latter would totally prove God as an unjust God.  It was Jesus' plan that he would be betrayed by his disciple resulting in his death.  Couldn't he just prevent that from happening?

This question might have mistakes because the only story I know by heart is Samson and Delilah lol

Judas probably went to hell because he committed suicide, although I can't judge, that's not my job

Quote from: YPR on March 30, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
...[Judas] committed suicide...

according to the gospel of matthew, but not the acts of the apostles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_Iscariot#Death) akudood;

why do we have vestigial organs
why havent they been evolved out

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 31, 2009, 03:04:16 AM
why do we have vestigial organs
why havent they been evolved out

oh god lol akudood;

they're vestigial in the first place because of evolution silly head  :3

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 31, 2009, 03:04:16 AM
why do we have vestigial organs
why havent they been evolved out

because you transformed into megatron so much that you don't have the need for those organs anymore n_______________________n

unicron is cooler

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 31, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
unicron is cooler

you know I can take your opinionated posts and your sirry kewn nonsense but I will not take that from no goddamn liberal baddod;

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 09:48:20 PM
Jesus has stopped people from sinning when he went apeshit on the temple. baddood;

Fun Fact: If Judas went to hell for ever and ever and ever, so that Jesus could suffer for our sins and then go peacefully to heaven, Judas obviously received the short end of the stick.  So Judas suffered more for our 'sins' than Jesus did. akudood;

It was Judas' choice to betray Jesus and hang himself. No one forced him to do anything, and even if he had been forced into betraying Jesus, he wasn't forced into hanging himself.

Quote from: Zach on March 31, 2009, 08:01:42 AM
It was Judas' choice to betray Jesus and hang himself. No one forced him to do anything, and even if he had been forced into betraying Jesus, he wasn't forced into hanging himself.

as previously mentioned the bible has two different accounts of his death only one of which was a suicide

Quote from: guff on March 31, 2009, 08:32:00 AM
as previously mentioned the bible has two different accounts of his death only one of which was a suicide

maybe he hung himself and then fell on a rock baddood;

Quote from: Bolivian Army on March 31, 2009, 09:16:38 AM
maybe he hung himself and then fell on a rock baddood;

or maybe i killed him baddood;

Quote from: Nymphet on March 31, 2009, 12:09:19 PM
or maybe i killed him baddood;

maybe you're jesus  baddood;

Quote from: Bolivian Army on March 31, 2009, 12:29:41 PM
maybe you're jesus  baddood;

maybe that's my wife you're talking about  baddood;

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on March 31, 2009, 03:14:13 PM
maybe that's my wife you're talking about  baddood;

that's no wife, that's my lord and savior!


wait

i just flew in from reno and boy do i have holes in my hands

I believe that God created the world, but it took way longer than six days. Six days to God would be around 6 billion years to us. I think God created the world and we evolved from there.

Quote from: Bowser_Boy on April 02, 2009, 05:43:43 PM
I believe that God created the world, but it took way longer than six days. Six days to God would be around 6 billion years to us. I think God created the world and we evolved from there.

Genesis describes each day as having a morning and an evening - and this was how God told things to Moses, and, when speaking to humans, God always spoke in terms that could be understood by humans.

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 05:52:32 PM
Genesis describes each day as having a morning and an evening - and this was how God told things to Moses, and, when speaking to humans, God always spoke in terms that could be understood by humans.

It could have been a translation error...

I don't know.

do you know what else was an error.

god

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 06:02:19 PM
do you know what else was an error.

god

You know what else was an error?

Your conception.

Quote from: Bowser_Boy on April 02, 2009, 06:08:30 PM
You know what else was an error?

Your conception.

JMV wasn't a mistake! ^_____^

Actually I was.

He was probably conceived the same way my sister was.

The condom broke.

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 06:15:34 PM
Actually I was.

It's okay - so was I.  cjlubdoods;

Yay, unprepared childbirth!

Quote from: Bowser_Boy on April 02, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
He was probably conceived the same way my sister was.

The condom broke.

isn't christianity against contraception though? :O

Quote from: im on a boat on April 02, 2009, 06:21:29 PM
isn't christianity against contraception though? :O

Catholics are.

Quote from: im on a boat on April 02, 2009, 06:21:29 PM
isn't christianity against contraception though? :O

I think only Catholicism is...I'm Baptist, and we're not, so I'm not sure...

i was actually the result of a teen pregnancy.

also stop using IE ;___;

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 06:28:25 PM
i was actually the result of a teen pregnancy.

also stop using IE ;___;

Are your parents still together?

no rofl.

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 06:32:46 PM
no rofl.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Bowser Boy, how do you believe in God?

Serious question. Just wondering.

it's okay. if i ever find my father I want to curb stomp him. akudood;

shouldn't be that hard if i find him in the jail.

Quote from: ãÆ'ªã‚ºãÆ' å¤©å›½ã‚´ãÆ'¼ãÆ'«ãÆ'‰ on April 02, 2009, 06:37:24 PM
Bowser Boy, how do you believe in God?

Serious question. Just wondering.

Yes. Why?

Quote from: Bowser_Boy on April 02, 2009, 06:44:09 PM
Yes. Why?

Not 'do you believe'. I'm asking WHY and HOW.

rofl im a valentines day baby  cjlubdoods;

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 06:48:32 PM
rofl im a valentines day baby  cjlubdoods;

that is so romantic cjlubdoods;

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 06:53:43 PM
that is so romantic cjlubdoods;

its actually really gross because my dad is fat and has a thick mustache cluckjmvdoods;

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 06:56:20 PM
its actually really gross because my dad is fat and has a thick mustache cluckjmvdoods;

i'm just imagine your dad just like karl from aqua teen hunger force :D

oh god :D

Quote from: ãÆ'ªã‚ºãÆ' å¤©å›½ã‚´ãÆ'¼ãÆ'«ãÆ'‰ on April 02, 2009, 06:47:32 PM
Not 'do you believe'. I'm asking WHY and HOW.

Oh. Well...I mainly believe because I was raised into it. But I also believe because he saved my life several years ago.

How? Well...I go to church...

Quote from: Bowser_Boy on April 02, 2009, 07:00:28 PM
Oh. Well...I mainly believe because I was raised into it. But I also believe because he saved my life several years ago.

How? Well...I go to church...

you think it was actually god? not just coincidence?

"He" saved your life?

Yes, well he supposedly "saved" my life when I was baptized. Unfortunately, I came to see the truth of church, of Christians, and religion.

But, if you truly see an all knowing, all powerful God, more power to you I suppose.

Quote from: im on a boat on April 02, 2009, 07:02:04 PM
you think it was actually god? not just coincidence?

okay you caught him it was acutally regis philbin

[spoiler](http://newsday.image2.trb.com/nynews/media/photo/2004-02/11462305.jpg)[/spoiler]

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 07:06:02 PM
okay you caught him it was acutally regis philbin

[spoiler](http://newsday.image2.trb.com/nynews/media/photo/2004-02/11462305.jpg)[/spoiler]

nice post

it totally made sense, definitely  doodthing;

if He saved your life wouldn't it be better for Him to just not allow you to get in that position in the first place?

Quote from: im on a boat on April 02, 2009, 07:02:04 PM
you think it was actually god? not just coincidence?

Quote from: ãÆ'ªã‚ºãÆ' å¤©å›½ã‚´ãÆ'¼ãÆ'«ãÆ'‰ on April 02, 2009, 07:03:01 PM
"He" saved your life?

Yes, well he supposedly "saved" my life when I was baptized. Unfortunately, I came to see the truth of church, of Christians, and religion.

But, if you truly see an all knowing, all powerful God, more power to you I suppose.

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 07:08:29 PM
if He saved your life wouldn't it be better for Him to just not allow you to get in that position in the first place?

Well, it had to be. I know I didn't have enough strength to do it myself. I nearly commited suicide twice during my depression, and God was able to find ways of helping me cope with my father's death.

I feel that if God didn't make me deal with depression, I wouldn't be the person I am today. And, with my pain, I was able to save atleast one person from having to deal with the exact same thing as me. I discovered ways to cope through my depression, and I let other people know those ideas, and they, in turn, saved them from suicide.

I know it probably sounds dumb, but I love God. That'll never change.

Alright. As long as you know why you believe, I have no problem with that.
Talk to YPR (Your Posting Rival). You'll see me call him Aubrey. He's a Christian as well.


Don't judge me, and I'll do my best to not judge you.
I think we'll get along fine.

Quote from: ãÆ'ªã‚ºãÆ' å¤©å›½ã‚´ãÆ'¼ãÆ'«ãÆ'‰ on April 02, 2009, 07:16:54 PM
Alright. As long as you know why you believe, I have no problem with that.
Talk to YPR (Your Posting Rival). You'll see me call him Aubrey. He's a Christian as well.


Don't judge me, and I'll do my best to not judge you.
I think we'll get along fine.

you forgot to warn him about jmv

 giggle; giggle; giggle; giggle;
Oh lawdy, I'll feel like a dick if I say it.  baddood;

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 06:56:20 PM
its actually really gross because my dad is fat and has a thick mustache cluckjmvdoods;

That's nothing that a knife can't fix!

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 07:20:02 PM
giggle; giggle; giggle; giggle;
Oh lawdy, I'll feel like a dick if I say it.  baddood;

Go ahead...Let's just see how "dick-less" you can manage to say it.

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 07:24:31 PM
Go ahead...Let's just see how "dick-less" you can manage to say it.

I'm atheist and he's SUPER atheist.

That's putting it nicely.

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 07:21:57 PM
That's nothing that a knife can't fix!

um wat

Quote from: ãÆ'ªã‚ºãÆ' å¤©å›½ã‚´ãÆ'¼ãÆ'«ãÆ'‰ on April 02, 2009, 07:26:31 PM
I'm atheist and he's SUPER atheist.

That's putting it nicely.

why are you guys atheist and not agnostic

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 07:27:02 PM
um wat

why are you guys atheist and not agnostic

That's 'cuz Agnostic isn't cool.

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 07:28:19 PM
That's 'cuz Agnostic isn't cool.

agnostic is logical

bowser ill finish my post after this phone call.

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 07:29:00 PM
agnostic is logical

My point exactly.

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 07:34:00 PM
bowser ill finish my post after this phone call.

Okay. Hurry up and order your damn pizza.

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 07:34:42 PM
My point exactly.

so you like thinking in more illogical things? whatever homeboy

Quote from: im on a boat on April 02, 2009, 07:35:59 PM
so you like thinking in more illogical things? whatever homeboy

oh and then you have this kid who attempts to randomly insult you and makes little actual contribution to the topic
i dont even know his name

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 07:38:03 PM
oh and then you have this kid who attempts to randomly insult you and makes little actual contribution to the topic
i dont even know his name

...what

Quote from: im on a boat on April 02, 2009, 07:35:59 PM
so you like thinking in more illogical things? whatever homeboy

Better to have faith and there not be a God than to not have faith and there be one.

So have serious discussion topics always turned into chat threads or is this a more recent thing?

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 07:24:31 PM
Go ahead...Let's just see how "dick-less" you can manage to say it.

Okay.

1.)Personal responsibility. Relegating willpower, consequence, and causation to a higher power is a copout.  About 7 years ago I thought it would be a good idea to kill myself by drinking a nice large glass of Draino.  Realizing it was stupid was what stopped me, not "God".  About 7 months ago I had the brilliant idea of cutting myself and playing with rat poison to prevent clotting.  Once again, it was my own choice not to do it.  Then about 2 weeks later I then had another idea of OM NOM NOMNOM NOM NOM'ing on anti depressants(don't take them they suck). It wasn't God that stopped me.  It was hallucinations and being dizzy, so I ended up at 1/4th the lethal dosage.  akudood;   Attributing something you find within yourself to decide not to end your own life is demeaning to yourself and your capabilities. You, yourself, said that you don't have enough strength to do it by yourself.  But you did, and you should recognize it and use that strength to not let other stuff keep you down. Don't tell yourself that you are week and nothing without a deity offering his divine intervention.

2.)If God really was caring enough to help you not kill yourself, why wouldn't he just save your father instead?

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 07:43:50 PM
 About 7 years ago I thought it would be a good idea to kill myself by drinking a nice large glass of Draino.

when you were 12? what the fuck James!  psyduck;

okay now say something about pascal's wager it was just brought up giggle;

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 07:46:10 PM
when you were 12? what the fuck James!  psyduck;

yez

Quote from: Thyme on April 02, 2009, 07:46:49 PM
okay now say something about pascal's wager it was just brought up giggle;

OKAY

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 07:39:09 PM
Better to have faith and there not be a God than to not have faith and there be one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh (also lol jews, christians, and muslims. hopefully you are of the right version of his religion)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus

Choose wisely.

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 07:28:19 PM
That's 'cuz Agnostic isn't cool.

madood;

Question #I lost count:
Proverbs 4:7
1 Corinthians 1:19

waaaaaaaaat

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
yezOKAYhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh (also lol jews, christians, and muslims. hopefully you are of the right version of his religion)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus

Choose wisely.

uhm
you forgot chuck norris

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 07:43:50 PM
Okay.

1.)Personal responsibility. Relegating willpower, consequence, and causation to a higher power is a copout.  About 7 years ago I thought it would be a good idea to kill myself by drinking a nice large glass of Draino.  Realizing it was stupid was what stopped me, not "God".  About 7 months ago I had the brilliant idea of cutting myself and playing with rat poison to prevent clotting.  Once again, it was my own choice not to do it.  Then about 2 weeks later I then had another idea of OM NOM NOMNOM NOM NOM'ing on anti depressants(don't take them they suck). It wasn't God that stopped me.  It was hallucinations and being dizzy, so I ended up at 1/4th the lethal dosage.  akudood;   Attributing something you find within yourself to decide not to end your own life is demeaning to yourself and your capabilities. You, yourself, said that you don't have enough strength to do it by yourself.  But you did, and you should recognize it and use that strength to not let other stuff keep you down. Don't tell yourself that you are week and nothing without a deity offering his divine intervention.

2.)If God really was caring enough to help you not kill yourself, why wouldn't he just save your father instead?

1. You have a great point. But I don't think that it was just me that saved myself. I know for a fact that I wouldn't, and didn't, have enough strength to kill myself. I needed the distraction of my mom nearly walking in on me the first time, and then the common sense the second time. Remember, I was so depressed that I felt like it was the only way.
2. My dad couldn't live forever. He lived a great life, knew lots of people, fathered me and my little sister (and probably some Vietnamese kid...), and built several buildings through-out the area I live in. But my dad can't be Superman. He couldn't help it that he got cancer. And the way I see it, God wanted my dad to come to heaven.

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 07:51:16 PM
uhm
you forgot chuck norris

yeah, and I say dumb shit that doesn't apply to the topic.  doodthing;

Quote from: im on a boat on April 02, 2009, 07:52:45 PM
yeah, and I say dumb shit that doesn't apply to the topic.  doodthing;

uhm
who the fuck are you
you're a fucking nobody on this forum

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 07:53:49 PM
uhm
who the fuck are you
you're a fucking nobody on this forum

i laughed

Oh and to be fair God really does save some people.

If you put enough faith in him and truly believe in his power you will become a happier person.

Ignorance is bliss. akudood;

Quote from: im on a boat on April 02, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
i laughed

thats a given with your posts

I just noticed I said "week" and not "weak"


2.)So, if a person lives, that is God's intervention, but if they die it's God's will to bring them to heaven?  Why the hell did we stop the holocaust? Hitler was just helping God send jews to heaven or something.

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 07:55:13 PM
thats a given with your posts

i have been on this forum longer than you

but this is off topic so i'm done

both of you shut up and talk about god

Quote from: im on a boat on April 02, 2009, 07:58:10 PM
i'm done

thank God ;)

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 07:58:39 PM
both of you shut up and talk about god

i just did dumb bitch  akudood;

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
I just noticed I said "week" and not "weak"


2.)So, if a person lives, that is God's intervention, but if they die it's God's will to bring them to heaven?  Why the hell did we stop the holocaust? Hitler was just helping God send jews to heaven or something.

Well, kinda...It really depends. Did you learn something from the experience (other than the fact that you're a suicidal lunatic and that drinking Draino is a bad idea...)? Did you come out a better person at the end? If yes, devine intervention.

And, yes, when people die, it is God's will to bring them to heaven. But there's still a difference between murder and natural death.

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 08:00:09 PM
Well, kinda...It really depends. Did you learn something from the experience (other than the fact that you're a suicidal lunatic and that drinking Draino is a bad idea...)?

I am crazy;______;  also not really.

QuoteDid you come out a better person at the end? If yes, devine intervention.

no, the better person part probably came up after developing some personality and anxiety disorders after years of abuse.  akudood;
idk if it's divine intervention that i have panic attacks in some situations.  baddood;

Quote
And, yes, when people die, it is God's will to bring them to heaven.

What about George Carlin?

QuoteBut there's still a difference between murder and natural death.

People can only claim God's intervention for one?

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 08:05:51 PM
I am crazy;______;  also not really.
no, the better person part probably came up after developing some personality and anxiety disorders after years of abuse.  akudood;
idk if it's divine intervention that i have panic attacks in some situations.  baddood;
What about George Carlin?
People can only claim God's intervention for one?

Personal problems aside...Hell, I don't know.

James, be nice.

He's going by gut instinct.

I think that was relatively nice to what I could normally do.

i think i went 3 posts without saying there is no god

Ahem.

I still want an answer to my Jesus' last words and Judas question.  My theory right now involves time and space bending portals. >:\

Quote from: Cyanide on April 02, 2009, 08:20:26 PM
Ahem.

I still want an answer to my Jesus' last words and Judas question.  My theory right now involves time and space bending portals. >:\

What?

Quote from: Cyanide on April 02, 2009, 08:20:26 PM
Ahem.

I still want an answer to my Jesus' last words and Judas question.  My theory right now involves time and space bending portals. >:\

oh

i forgot about that

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 08:22:01 PM
What?

She's being silly. Ignore it.

Quote from: ãÆ'ªã‚ºãÆ' å¤©å›½ã‚´ãÆ'¼ãÆ'«ãÆ'‰ on April 02, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
She's being silly. Ignore it.

Oh, yeah, I remember. Grain of salt.

no, that was about me.

but then again that theory was from me and IT'S AWESOME.

they should teach it in churches.

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 08:26:30 PM
but then again that theory was from me and IT'S AWESOME.

they should teach it in churches.

Oh. I [Blessed] her for that. giggle;

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 08:24:52 PM
Oh, yeah, I remember. Grain of salt.

no, it was something where she was asking about errors she saw in the bible

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 08:22:01 PM
What?

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on March 30, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
Zach:
"Eloi Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - Mark and Matthew
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2015:34&version=31;
too lazy to search for matthew's account. i think his might have been in hebrew/aramaic (whatever this one wasn't in)

"It is finished" - John
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2019:30;&version=31;

"Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." - Luke
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2023:46;&version=31;


with the former, it sounds like he is upset that he has to do it. akudood;

I also said

Quote

QuoteQuestion #2: According to the Bible, Jesus has said three different things before he died according to three different New Testament authors.  Did he somehow die three times?  Explain?

this one is easy.  he is all powerful and placed 3 of his disciples in 3 different timelines to view his death and then once he died their timelines merged.




i just made that last thing up

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
I know that this is most likely a completely ignorant opinion (in your eyes), but I just believe that the bible is too simple of an explanation to explain how the universe was created, and that the universe is too complex for the evolution theory to be completely reliable.  Sorry. ;-;

Question #1:  What was the real order of creation?  The Bible jumps around a lot with that.

Question #2: According to the Bible, Jesus has said three different things before he died according to three different New Testament authors.  Did he somehow die three times?  Explain?

Quote from: Cyanide on March 30, 2009, 09:09:51 PM
Question #3: Judas, Judas, Judas.  He betrayed Jesus, felt guilty, hung himself.  I'm not sure if it was said if he went to heaven or hell, but the latter would totally prove God as an unjust God.  It was Jesus' plan that he would be betrayed by his disciple resulting in his death.  Couldn't he just prevent that from happening?

This question might have mistakes because the only story I know by heart is Samson and Delilah lol

THIS ONE I'M NOT BEING SILLY^ >:\

jmv you said alternate timeline or something

portals are so much more logical

i have a friend who is a very devout christian and is very knowledgeable about this sort of thing. I will run this by him next time I see him.

how does jesus get portals he is nailed to a cross

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 08:32:00 PM
i have a friend who is a very devout christian and is very knowledgeable about this sort of thing. I will run this by him next time I see him.

invite him akudood;

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 08:32:56 PM
how does jesus get portals he is nailed to a cross invite him akudood;

he would shit a golden brick if he saw some of the things i say on here

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 08:32:56 PM
how does jesus get portals he is nailed to a cross invite him akudood;

No, do NOT invite him!

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 08:35:14 PM
No, do NOT invite him!

you don't even know who i'm talking about

Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on April 02, 2009, 07:38:03 PM
oh and then you have this kid who attempts to randomly insult you and makes little actual contribution to the topic

GAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i just want to see the logic  :(

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 08:35:14 PM
No, do NOT invite him!

Is he a fundie?  akudood;

Quote from: guff on April 02, 2009, 08:36:03 PM
GAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you are a DICK  akudood;

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 08:35:40 PM
you don't even know who i'm talking about

No, but I'm already scared for the poor bastard's life.

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 08:32:56 PM
how does jesus get portals he is nailed to a cross

idk the portals were majorly distorted idk i wasnt there

valentelogy sounds cool for your theory though ;)

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 08:32:00 PM
i have a friend who is a very devout christian and is very knowledgeable about this sort of thing. I will run this by him next time I see him.

Tell him he can't use the translation error thing because it's too broad of a mistake. baddood;

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 08:37:34 PM
No, but I'm already scared for the poor bastard's life.

he is a motherfucking hardcore christian. there is nothing here that could be said that would sway his mindset.

Quote from: Cyanide on April 02, 2009, 08:37:58 PM
idk the portals were majorly distorted idk i wasnt there

valentelogy sounds cool for your theory though ;)Tell him he can't use the translation error thing because it's too broad of a mistake. baddood;

He could have said all three...

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 08:38:29 PM
he is a motherfucking hardcore christian. there is nothing here that could be said that would sway his mindset.

Good point...Who is it?

Quote from: Cyanide on April 02, 2009, 08:37:58 PM
Tell him he can't use the translation error thing because it's too broad of a mistake. baddood;

Don't worry, he believes that the Bible is 100% inerrant, so he wouldn't use such an excuse.

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 08:39:18 PM

Good point...Who is it?

A guy I know named Clint. You don't know him.

Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on April 02, 2009, 08:00:09 PM
Well, kinda...It really depends. Did you learn something from the experience (other than the fact that you're a suicidal lunatic and that drinking Draino is a bad idea...)? Did you come out a better person at the end? If yes, devine intervention.

Whenever I watch porn, I learn a technique that's new and potentially useful from the experience. Is that divine intervention?

QuoteAnd, yes, when people die, it is God's will to bring them to heaven. But there's still a difference between murder and natural death.

Nope. That's just something people tell themselves to cope with the uncomfortable truth that death is random and meaningless. With all this tedious willing up people to heaven work, it's a shame that he didn't just start us off in heaven in the first place. Seems like it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble.
and btw, the chat threading here is actually starting to annoy me. baddood;

so you're saying logic wont' work and he gets boners from fallacies. akudood;

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 08:39:37 PM
Don't worry, he believes that the Bible is 100% inerrant, so he wouldn't use such an excuse.

oh god lol

how does he support the biblical claim that Ã�â,¬=3.0

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 08:39:37 PM
Don't worry, he believes that the Bible is 100% inerrant, so he wouldn't use such an excuse.

...If he's like how I think he's like, then asking him anything will result in NOTHING. saddood;

Quote from: Cyanide on April 02, 2009, 08:44:18 PM
...If he's like how I think he's like, then asking him anything will result in NOTHING. saddood;

Maybe. I mean, this guy is everything all of you would hate.

Young Earth creationist? Check.
Believes in the infallibility of the Bible? Yep.
Thinks dinosaurs were on the ark with Noah? You better goddamn believe it.

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 08:46:30 PMYoung Earth creationist? Check.

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QuoteBelieves in the infallibility of the Bible? Yep.

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QuoteThinks dinosaurs were on the ark with Noah? You better goddamn believe it.

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A T-Rex next to a couple of sheep?

Must have been an entertaining show.

Quote from: Zach on April 02, 2009, 08:46:30 PM
Maybe. I mean, this guy is everything all of you would hate.

Young Earth creationist? Check.
Believes in the infallibility of the Bible? Yep.
Thinks dinosaurs were on the ark with Noah? You better goddamn believe it.

Oh well I don't hate anything dealing with Christianity.  I just don't agree with it.

Unless they're those sign fucking gay bashers who think protesting is going to make homosexuals spontaneously fall to the ground and repent, when all they're doing is building up everyones animosity towards Christians.  Then I hate them AND don't agree with them. happydood;

At least he doesn't think dinosaurs were fake.  Yes there are plenty of people who think so. doodhuh;

Quote from: ãÆ'ªã‚ºãÆ' å¤©å›½ã‚´ãÆ'¼ãÆ'«ãÆ'‰ on April 02, 2009, 08:48:29 PM
A T-Rex next to a couple of sheep?

Must have been an entertaining show.

i think the creationist line is that the dinosaurs were actually herbivores  baddood;

Woah, there was another person having a debate about religion with jmv?

suddenly I feel so obsolete saddood;

Quote from: YPR on April 02, 2009, 09:37:57 PM
Woah, there was another person having a debate about religion with jmv?

suddenly I feel so obsolete saddood;

i guess you serve no point as a christian so i guess you can become atheist now akudood;

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 09:51:09 PM
i guess you serve no point as a christian so i guess you can become atheist now akudood;

I think I'll convert to Taoism

convert to scientology instead

Quote from: YPR on April 02, 2009, 09:37:57 PM
Woah, there was another person having a debate about religion with jmv?

suddenly I feel so obsolete saddood;

i'd argue with you but i don't really care much about my atheism  baddood;

Quote from: ra-ˈkün on April 02, 2009, 10:06:23 PM
convert to scientology instead

let's not be stupid akudood;

Quote from: guff on April 02, 2009, 10:15:27 PM
i'd argue with you but i don't really care much about my atheism  baddood;

guff you should become a christian so we can have unleavened bread fights  baddood;

Quote from: Bolivian Army on April 03, 2009, 06:59:05 AM
guff you should become a christian so we can have unleavened bread fights  baddood;

You should become a Jew. I hear they have pretty exciting foreskin fights.

Quote from: Houdini on April 04, 2009, 09:17:39 PM
You should become a Jew. I hear they have pretty exciting foreskin fights.

yeah but i hear they killed jesus

i mean really whos bright idea was that