Questions about Christianity

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Baptist.

I actually suspected that, the way you preach...

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I actually suspected that, the way you preach...

CAN I GET A HALLELUJAH

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I actually suspected that, the way you preach...

And I presume you're Catholic?

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CAN I GET A HALLELUJAH

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And I presume you're Catholic?

Yes, sir. 

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That is my type of church! WHOOO!

Yes, sir. 

Looks like Protestants and Catholics can get along!

[Daddy]

Well, it's a sin, and an addiction at that. By controlling my lusty, fleshly body, I feel closer to God, and I don't feel like a hypocrite while I'm looking at "lesbian milf".

dammit i said good for you i wasn't objecting it.

I'm not Jewish, so that particular law doesn't apply to me. Ask any Jew.

is there a book named "the laws for jews only"

Yes. That's the sad fact of life. But, there is one thing you're forgetting. Have the people who said they accepted Christ who continue to sin really accepted Christ?

Here's the set up...

Something I learned about at Church Camp is "lip-servicing". In otherwords, they say they've accepted Christ, yet they're liars.

And a rewording of the No true Scotsman fallacy again.

There's a statistic that our pastor told us that only 1 out of every 4 people in America alone who say they're Christians are actually going to Heaven.

...He made up statistics?
Really where did he get those figures?

Besides, about your egotistical comment. If he created the world, then doesn't he have the right to be egotistical? I mean, everything you know, he knew already. Everything you see, God knew it was coming. Since you don't believe in God anymore, I can see how this comment is completely useless to you, but, think about it. Either he exists and he made the world, which gives him the right to seem egotistical, or he doesn't exist.

I don't think that still would give one the right to be egotistical to the point of forcing worship. I'll go with the latter though, he doesn't exists.

Sadly, yes. But like I said in my previous post, are those "priests" are really saved?

Wouldn't that be your God's call?

Well, that would be Catholicism. You have to pay your way there. (Not exactly the most attractive, is it?) As far as I know, all of the Protestant branches pretty much the same.

Uh, I'm pretty sure indulgences aren't the only way to get into heaven.  And not all Protestants are the same. There are some that believe in predestination while others don't, etc.

Yes. With Baptists (and I'm sure Methodists, Penicostals, Lutherians, etc...), you're name is written down in the Book of Life the moment you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. Being good won't get you anywhere but a one way ticket to hell. It's impossible to be good enough to make it to heaven.

And not according to Catholics.
Isn't that odd how there is a such a huge disagreement yet you guys use the same Holy Book?
I declare that Catholics are the true Christians

I won't be. I truly feel like my name has been written down. I have nothing to fear. Hell is used for those who don't believe, to let them know that they will be punished if they die without accepting Christ.

How unfortunate for those who live in other parts of the world where they weren't exposed to Christianity  and believe their religions which have just as much factual evidence as yours.

Give me a few days, and a few topics, and I'll find whatever you need.

Never come unprepared

Eh...that's actually a weird question. They're different, yet they're the same. Like ice, water, and steam. They're all different forms of matter, but in the end, they're water. It's pretty much the same thing with the Trinity.

Christ becomes the Holy Spirit at 100Ã,ºC?

Gotcha.

We are. I was giving a singular example. If you gave (insert the name of someone you love a lot)'s life to keep me from dying, wouldn't that be a very huge sacrifice.

It'd be more meaningful if I gave my own life.

And I thought Jesus didn't die, only his "human body".

Also, you know that I'm a lustful little bastard that's constantly arguing with you. Wouldn't you really have to love me to let them die so I could live?

Uh, you're thinking of it wrong.

It'd be like you pissing me off for something you didn't know was wrong and me shooting you in the liver requiring you to get a transplant. You are going to die until I give my son's liver to you and he dies in the process.

You wouldn't be in the situation if I hadn't shot you.

Isn't that why you're expected to obey your parents? I know that if I disobey my mom, I'm getting grounded.

If you don't love your mom do you get grounded?

Once I have children, until they're teenagers, I'll spank them. I won't spank them because I hate them. I spank them because I'll love them,

and because I want them to know that I know what's wrong and what's right.

We have communication with words for that.

Same thing with God. It's not forced; it's expected. You can disobey him all you want, but you'll get punished. That's life.

Disobey your parents, get spanked for a few minutes and possibly learn from your mistake--assuming you think spanking is effective--and then maybe not make that mistake again.  Disobey God and get spanked forever with no opportunity to learn that what you did was wrong.

The sacrificing someone thing, but sacrificing that one person for the entire world. Clearer?

So instead of making the sacrifice of one person for one person you're doing it for billions of people?

I'd be more willing to sacrifice something if it saved 3 billion people than if it only saved one person.

No. He didn't damn Adam and Eve until they disobeyed him. He told them specifically to not eat of that particular tree. Because they did, they learned the difference between right and wrong, and were damned for their disobedience

They didn't know it was wrong until after they ate the fruit.  

As with Noah, he gave those people nearly 600 years to repent

Maybe he should have watched his angels who knocked up our womens.

Moses was constantly working on the ark and telling everybody about God, but not a single thing would work.

No he didn't.
Also Noah and maybe god should have talked to them too.

They were punished for their disobedience. Noah and his family, who believed and did as God said, were spared.

What about all of the children and babies?
"ur mom and dad were sinners so u drown now"

So far, everything you've mentioned was because they disobeyed God. Doesn't that kinda seem like a heads up?

Uh, God killed hundreds of thousands of children and babies. "okay egypt has slaves so im killing all your first borns sorry children your parents don't listen"

God didn't damn us; we did. Our sins are the reason we're going to hell. Pretend you care about the Bible for a moment.

He damned humanity with the Fall of Man

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 2:23
"But God commentdeth his love toward us, in that, while we were sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9

Look familiar? It's the Roman Road. We're all sinned, and because we sin, we've earned nothing but a one-way ticket to hell. But because God loves us, he gave us his only sun as a sacrifice to appease our death sentence. The only way to accept that pardon is to accept Jesus into our hearts as our Savior.

How do children earn a ticket to Hell?
Okay so for 1500 years only Europe was saved?

Really, you should read the Bible more.

Do you care to highlight which parts are literal, which are metaphors, and the like?

Freedom of choice. Eve knew she wasn't supposed to eat of it. Satan tempted her with how beautiful the sin looked, and she fell for it.

Humanity had no knowledge of good and evil, nor that they were even naked. She had no choice when a divine being (satan if that's your interpretation) persuades someone without knowledge of right and wrong to do something.

That's how it works in life. She may have not known the difference between right and wrong, but she knew what God told her. Satan lied to her to get her to sin against God.

Satan told the truth, God lied.

And when it came to Adam, Eve told him how good the fruit was, so, since he had no reason to not believe her, he ate the fruit as well. Again, the exact same way it works in life. They had a choice to not eat the fruit, but they did anyways. God's not going to beat you into not sinning. That wouldn't be very free, would it?

If Eve ate the fruit first and told Adam would she not know that it was wrong to tell him to eat it? How is it his fault?

Sucks, dunnit?

Okay. Read the Bible.

which interpretation of the bible

[Daddy]

In a way, it is. If you don't believe in it, you obviously don't want it. Although, it's not the same the other way around...

are you stupid
it's completely possible to not believe in something and want it (i.e. wish it existed)

[Thyme]

...Wait, when did this start being about corporal punishment?

[Daddy]

...Wait, when did this start being about corporal punishment?

October 23, 4004BC

[Thyme]

October 23, 4004BC

I bothered looking that up.

but anyway in any case i believe in corporal punishment although i'm too much of a wuss to ever administer it

[superclucky]

Isn't that why you're expected to obey your parents? I know that if I disobey my mom, I'm getting grounded. Once I have children, until they're teenagers, I'll spank them. I won't spank them because I hate them. I spank them because I'll love them, and because I want them to know that I know what's wrong and what's right. Same thing with God. It's not forced; it's expected. You can disobey him all you want, but you'll get punished. That's life.

but you'll be teaching your kids that hitting their offspring is correct ;_____;

[PuuMastaFunk]

dammit i said good for you i wasn't objecting it.
is there a book named "the laws for jews only"
Here's the set up...
And a rewording of the No true Scotsman fallacy again.
...He made up statistics?
Really where did he get those figures?
I don't think that still would give one the right to be egotistical to the point of forcing worship. I'll go with the latter though, he doesn't exists.
Wouldn't that be your God's call?
Uh, I'm pretty sure indulgences aren't the only way to get into heaven.  And not all Protestants are the same. There are some that believe in predestination while others don't, etc.
And not according to Catholics.
Isn't that odd how there is a such a huge disagreement yet you guys use the same Holy Book?
I declare that Catholics are the true Christians
How unfortunate for those who live in other parts of the world where they weren't exposed to Christianity  and believe their religions which have just as much factual evidence as yours.
Never come unprepared
Christ becomes the Holy Spirit at 100Ã,ºC?

It'd be more meaningful if I gave my own life.

And I thought Jesus didn't die, only his "human body".
Uh, you're thinking of it wrong.

It'd be like you pissing me off for something you didn't know was wrong and me shooting you in the liver requiring you to get a transplant. You are going to die until I give my son's liver to you and he dies in the process.

You wouldn't be in the situation if I hadn't shot you.


If you don't love your mom do you get grounded?

We have communication with words for that.Disobey your parents, get spanked for a few minutes and possibly learn from your mistake--assuming you think spanking is effective--and then maybe not make that mistake again.  Disobey God and get spanked forever with no opportunity to learn that what you did was wrong.

So instead of making the sacrifice of one person for one person you're doing it for billions of people?

I'd be more willing to sacrifice something if it saved 3 billion people than if it only saved one person.

They didn't know it was wrong until after they ate the fruit.  
Maybe he should have watched his angels who knocked up our womens. No he didn't.
Also Noah and maybe god should have talked to them too.

What about all of the children and babies?
"ur mom and dad were sinners so u drown now"

Uh, God killed hundreds of thousands of children and babies. "okay egypt has slaves so im killing all your first borns sorry children your parents don't listen"

He damned humanity with the Fall of Man
How do children earn a ticket to Hell?
Okay so for 1500 years only Europe was saved?
Do you care to highlight which parts are literal, which are metaphors, and the like?
Humanity had no knowledge of good and evil, nor that they were even naked. She had no choice when a divine being (satan if that's your interpretation) persuades someone without knowledge of right and wrong to do something.
Satan told the truth, God lied.

If Eve ate the fruit first and told Adam would she not know that it was wrong to tell him to eat it? How is it his fault?

which interpretation of the bible

Ah, crap. I'm not going to bother quoting every little bit of this. I think you'll get it.

Okay, my bad. I misunderstood.

Yes, there is. It's called the Torah.

The what?

Eh...I don't know where he got them.

If you made a lifeform and it told you to "Fuck off, I'll live life my own way.", wouldn't you get angry and say that, "I created you, I know what's best for you." You know, kinda like a parent?

Exactly. It's always God's call.

Christianity has predestination. If you're talking about Jehovah's Witnesses *cough cough*, that's not Christianity. It's completely different. They don't believe in Hell, so that pretty much kills it.

Well, maybe they are. I don't. know. If it does take good works, then I know that all this hard work I'm doing will certainly get me to Heaven. And if not, then I've got the salvation to back it up. I win either way!

That's where missionaries come in. By now, pretty much every region of the world has been touched by Christianity.

Well, I need to know what you want me to look for, Mr. "I-used-to-be-a-Christian-but-God-pissed-my-off-so-I'm-gonna-throw-a-hissy-fit." I'll find it. (Just get it before Friday. I've got band camp.)

God is the Father, the Creator. Jesus is the Son, the Savior. The Holy Spirit is the...Spirit, the Messenger of God.

I'm told that your child would mean more to you than your own life. Trust me, I've had that argument with plenty of parents. All agree that they'd rather die themselves then let thier sons or daughters even come to harm. And wouldn't that be death, even if it's not spiritual?

Well, then we'll use that. You'd really have to care for my life to give your son's liver, and life, in order to save mine. It's my fault (kinda) why I'm in that situation. But only you can get me out of it.

I pretty much would. If I didn't love my mom, I wouldn't care what she'd say. Therefore, I'd break the rules just to make her angry, which would cause me to lose privledges and possibly even cause her to actually (Dare I say it?...) bend me over her knee and she spank me. (Hasn't happened in many, many years, but you never know....)

And the is for what? Me being a good parent who wants to raise my kids out of the worldly belief that kids should be able to do what they want with no punishment? It only takes one swing.

Since when has communication with words ever stopped someone from doing something stupid? If my mom told me to not smoke pot, and I did it, and she told me not to do it again, I'd think, "Well, if that's really all I'm going to get for it, why not get high and tune the bitch out?" Telling me to not do something again would just breed rebellion.

That's really the only case is when it comes to salvation. Look at porn, your girlfriend will find out and she'll cry and not trust you. (Spanking.) Smoke pot, you get caught, you spend a few nights in jail. (Spanking.) You get drunk, drive, and kill a passenger in another care, you spend life in jail for vehicular manslaughter. (Spanking.) You reap what you sow. These punishments are supposed to show you that you're not supposed to do that, because you'll face the consequences. That's what God does. He makes you face the consequences for your sins. Why do you think I'm trying to not look at porn?

Okay, you've got me there. The only explaination I can give is that it's God's son, so he's very important to God. We're not perfect, Jesus is. We sin, Jesus doesn't.

Oh, they knew it was wrong. They just didn't realize it until they were finished commiting the sin. Don't we call that...I don't know...Guilt?

What?

Okay, then. I just read that section, and I get what you said. The rest of the world was punished because they didn't worship God. They rejected him. Only Noah and his family walked with him.

Well, they went to Heaven. God isn't going to send little children to hell. All children are sheltered in God's arms. Like when the Rapture happens, all of the children below the age of 12 (I think that's it...) will disappear along with the saved, regardless of religion. That's why the Rapture will be such a huge deal. No matter where you are, you'll be affected by the Rapture. That's the point of it. So the children in Moses's time were taken to Heaven. Sure, they died, but they actually did go to a better place.

Refer to the previous paragraph.

And again...As for the Europe thing, no. There were missionaries in every part of that world. That what the disciples did. That's what Paul did. They were sent out to save lives for God. Christianity was just an idea that the Catholic Church started from the letters of disciples, Paul, and Jude (who only gets one chapter. Lulz). That's how the Bible was started; bunches of letters. Well, that, and much of the Jewish history. But for the missionary part, the disciples (except for Judas Isracot, who killed himself.) drew lots for which part of the world (or what they knew of it.) that they should go and preach to. Paul later preached to all of Rome and Greece (Oh, wait, that's Europe.), along with many Middle Eastern countries, and even a few in Africa.

If you went to church, you'd have people who'd highlight that for you.

But they still knew they weren't supposed to eat the fruit! Do I have to type out the freaking verse for you and draw you pretty pictures? They were tricked, yes, but they still knew that God said to not eat the fruit. That's what Satan does! He sugarcoats sin so it looks pretty, but after you commit the sin, you feel ashamed. Hence, they're eyes were opened and they realized they were naked.

Ugh, okay...Here's the verses. Genesis 3:1-7 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, 'Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?'" And the woman said unto the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath siad, 'Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.'" And the serpent said unto the woman, "Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evel." And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes (!), and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

God said not to eat of it, because you'll die. Satan said you wouldn't surely die, meaning you wouldn't die right off. It was pleasant to Eve's eyes, so she took ate, and so did Adam, after she handed him some. Their eyes were opened and they knew right from wrong, because they realized they had just sinned against God.

Does this make any more sense, or am I going to have to go all Bapticostal on you?

It's Adam's fault because he still partook of the fruit when they were told not to.

Read New King James. It's the easiest to read.

[PuuMastaFunk]

but you'll be teaching your kids that hitting their offspring is correct ;_____;

No. You're teaching your kids that you expect them to act a certain way and to follow your rules, and if they don't, they have to deal with the consequenses. As long as you don't abuse them, it's fine. All you have to do is hit their butts a few times. Leave their faces, shoulders, backs, legs, arms, stomachs...Anything but the butt, alone.

[Daddy]

Your lack of quoting annoys me. Now i have to go and find the context of each statement. ugh.

[PuuMastaFunk]

Your lack of quoting annoys me. Now i have to go and find the context of each statement. ugh.

You'll live.