Questions about Christianity

[Zach]

Where did I lump all Christians together?

I said
1.)They would not be economic conservatives.  That is only concerning the ones who are economic conservatives.  Must I go over Christ's supposed teachings regarding the poor, the rich, and material possessions?

My personal beliefs do not necessarily translate to what I think the government should be doing. It's all about the government's role in things.

2.)I specifically mentioned churches in the second half of the sentence, not Christians.  Those too go against those same teachings and others.

Yes.

[Zach]

Believing you're saved does.

not necessarily

there are a lot of people who believe that they are saved but aren't

Maybe they are saved after asking god to forgive them after the 10th child.

Asking God to forgive you is meaningless if you aren't truly repentant of what you have done. Repentance is about realizing the filth of your sin and turning away from it; raping ten children with the intention of asking God to forgive you afterward isn't the sign of someone that is truly repentant.

What about the commandments 

not what i was talking about

Works that are done without expecting a reward are better IMO.

uh yeah

True Christians aren't looking to help the poor because they are seeking a reward.

[PuuMastaFunk]

Yay! He doesn't understand!!!

wut. well i guess that's good if you don't want to look at porn yay

Well, it's a sin, and an addiction at that. By controlling my lusty, fleshly body, I feel closer to God, and I don't feel like a hypocrite while I'm looking at "lesbian milf".

According to the bible eating pork and shellfish separate you from God, do you reject those too? Do you ask for forgiveness after eating a bacon cheeseburger?

I'm not Jewish, so that particular law doesn't apply to me. Ask any Jew.

so what you are saying God is egotistical enough that if someone worships him they will go to heaven even if they lead a life like that, yet someone who doesn't accept him will go to hell regardless?

Yes. That's the sad fact of life. But, there is one thing you're forgetting. Have the people who said they accepted Christ who continue to sin really accepted Christ? Something I learned about at Church Camp is "lip-servicing". In otherwords, they say they've accepted Christ, yet they're liars. There's a statistic that our pastor told us that only 1 out of every 4 people in America alone who say they're Christians are actually going to Heaven.

Besides, about your egotistical comment. If he created the world, then doesn't he have the right to be egotistical? I mean, everything you know, he knew already. Everything you see, God knew it was coming. Since you don't believe in God anymore, I can see how this comment is completely useless to you, but, think about it. Either he exists and he made the world, which gives him the right to seem egotistical, or he doesn't exist.

Gandhi goes to hell while priests who rape children get a ticket to heaven?

Sadly, yes. But like I said in my previous post, are those "priests" are really saved?

No, it's down to doctrine. Some branches teach that accepting Christ alone isn't enough.

Well, that would be Catholicism. You have to pay your way there. (Not exactly the most attractive, is it?) As far as I know, all of the Protestant branches pretty much the same.

It seems your church believes that accepting Christ guarantees that spot in heaven. I've heard the opposite from many catholics: leading a good life is what gets you in heaven. It's not the accepting of christ alone.

Yes. With Baptists (and I'm sure Methodists, Penicostals, Lutherians, etc...), you're name is written down in the Book of Life the moment you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. Being good won't get you anywhere but a one way ticket to hell. It's impossible to be good enough to make it to heaven.

The hope that you too can be cast into a lake of fire and suffer for all eternity?

I won't be. I truly feel like my name has been written down. I have nothing to fear. Hell is used for those who don't believe, to let them know that they will be punished if they die without accepting Christ.

No it doesn't.

Give me a few days, and a few topics, and I'll find whatever you need.

Like I said, that depends. Some believe they're the same entity while others don't.

Eh...that's actually a weird question. They're different, yet they're the same. Like ice, water, and steam. They're all different forms of matter, but in the end, they're water. It's pretty much the same thing with the Trinity.

If you're going to go for "JMV's sake" it would make more sense to go "He didn't because he's not real.

Gotcha.

I thought we were all God's children?

We are. I was giving a singular example. If you gave (insert the name of someone you love a lot)'s life to keep me from dying, wouldn't that be a very huge sacrifice. Also, you know that I'm a lustful little bastard that's constantly arguing with you. Wouldn't you really have to love me to let them die so I could live?

Is it love if his motivation is to force gratitude and worship under the threat of punishment?

Isn't that why you're expected to obey your parents? I know that if I disobey my mom, I'm getting grounded. Once I have children, until they're teenagers, I'll spank them. I won't spank them because I hate them. I spank them because I'll love them, and because I want them to know that I know what's wrong and what's right. Same thing with God. It's not forced; it's expected. You can disobey him all you want, but you'll get punished. That's life.

what

The sacrificing someone thing, but sacrificing that one person for the entire world. Clearer?

So let me get this straight:
God damned all of humanity because he left the first man and women ignorant of right and wrong and they did wrong. He then destroyed all of humanity except 8 people because they did wrong. He then killed millions more over the next four thousand years.

No. He didn't damn Adam and Eve until they disobeyed him. He told them specifically to not eat of that particular tree. Because they did, they learned the difference between right and wrong, and were damned for their disobedience. As with Noah, he gave those people nearly 600 years to repent. None did. Moses was constantly working on the ark and telling everybody about God, but not a single thing would work. They were punished for their disobedience. Noah and his family, who believed and did as God said, were spared.

So far, everything you've mentioned was because they disobeyed God. Doesn't that kinda seem like a heads up?

He then sends himself/his son to die for our sins so we don't have to go to Hell even though he was the one who decided to curse us all?

God didn't damn us; we did. Our sins are the reason we're going to hell. Pretend you care about the Bible for a moment.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 2:23
"But God commentdeth his love toward us, in that, while we were sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9

Look familiar? It's the Roman Road. We're all sinned, and because we sin, we've earned nothing but a one-way ticket to hell. But because God loves us, he gave us his only sun as a sacrifice to appease our death sentence. The only way to accept that pardon is to accept Jesus into our hearts as our Savior.

Really, you should read the Bible more.

And omniscient God clearly would have known the serpent would tempt Eve. He knew that Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil. Their lack of knowledge and his indifference to preventing such is the reason he had to sacrifice his own son.

Freedom of choice. Eve knew she wasn't supposed to eat of it. Satan tempted her with how beautiful the sin looked, and she fell for it. That's how it works in life. She may have not known the difference between right and wrong, but she knew what God told her. Satan lied to her to get her to sin against God. And when it came to Adam, Eve told him how good the fruit was, so, since he had no reason to not believe her, he ate the fruit as well. Again, the exact same way it works in life. They had a choice to not eat the fruit, but they did anyways. God's not going to beat you into not sinning. That wouldn't be very free, would it?

Drats

Sucks, dunnit?

I need the part that makes sense

Okay. Read the Bible.

[Det in F♯ Major]

Yay! He doesn't understand!!!
Well, it's a sin, and an addiction at that. By controlling my lusty, fleshly body, I feel closer to God, and I don't feel like a hypocrite while I'm looking at "lesbian milf".

I lol'd

And I believe those who do good and don't officially deny God will go to Heaven. 
I'm not sure if Ghandi said blatantly he doesn't believe in an Abrahamic god, did he?

[Daddy]

I lol'd

And I believe those who do good and don't officially deny God will go to Heaven. 
I'm not sure if Ghandi said blatantly he doesn't believe in an Abrahamic god, did he?

He was Hindu.

[Det in F♯ Major]

He was Hindu.

Okay, so then he obviously didn't believe in God.
Lawl, why would he want to go to a kingdom he didn't believe in? 

[Daddy]

Okay, so then he obviously didn't believe in God.
Lawl, why would he want to go to a kingdom he didn't believe in? 

I don't think he'd want to go to Hell either and for worshipping "false gods" that's exactly where he went.

[PuuMastaFunk]

Okay, so then he obviously didn't believe in God.
Lawl, why would he want to go to a kingdom he didn't believe in? 

Because that kingdom is freaking awesome.

[Det in F♯ Major]

I don't think he'd want to go to Hell either and for worshipping "false gods" that's exactly where he went.

Purgatory

Because that kingdom is freaking awesome.

Does God want people there who don't want to be?

[Daddy]

Purgatory

sorry puu doesn't believe in that

Does God want people there who don't want to be?

not believing in something isn't equal to not wanting to be there.

[PuuMastaFunk]

sorry puu doesn't believe in that

He finally caught on! 

not believing in something isn't equal to not wanting to be there.

In a way, it is. If you don't believe in it, you obviously don't want it. Although, it's not the same the other way around...

[Det in F♯ Major]

what? how the fuck do you not believe in purgatory? i thought you were catholic... 

[guff]

one time i saw a jesus fish that was missing part of the tail fin so i figured that it had gotten bit by a jesus shark 

[Det in F♯ Major]

one time i saw a jesus fish that was missing part of the tail fin so i figured that it had gotten bit by a jesus shark 

i think it was you who ate it guff 

[PuuMastaFunk]

what? how the fuck do you not believe in purgatory? i thought you were catholic... 

Baptist.