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[Slim]

So the Soviet Union, an entity that no longer exists, is infinitely more important than our own government that's currently screwing the whole world in the butt?

Nope. It's a good thing that's not what I said, though.

The Soviet Union, an entity that shaped world events for decades and had a profound impact on the political atmosphere of every country across the globe, the repercussions of which are still being felt to this very day, was and is infinitely more important than "the third document George W. Bush signed this morning immediately after he woke up," which was the brilliant example you gave if you recall.
And now here's a stupid fucking out-of-place smiley to lighten the mood:

^___^

[ncba93ivyase]

Nope. It's a good thing that's not what I said, though.

The Soviet Union, an entity that shaped world events for decades and had a profound impact on the political atmosphere of every country across the globe, the repercussions of which are still being felt to this very day, was and is infinitely more important than "the third document George W. Bush signed this morning immediately after he woke up," which was the brilliant example you gave if you recall.
And now here's a stupid fucking out-of-place smiley to lighten the mood:

^___^

hey idiot, the problem is you don't know what he may have signed and what it may do. your argument is you're "stupid apathetic teens for not knowing about something that happened in russia that us history doesn't teach you about." well i think you're a stupid apathetic teen for not knowing what's going on with our own government today.

Some schools will actually talk about it, and that's fine and all, but apparently most schools don't and that's not the fault of the students.

you're stupid so shut up

[Slim]

hey idiot, the problem is you don't know what he may have signed and what it may do. your argument is you're "stupid apathetic teens for not knowing about something that happened in russia that us history doesn't teach you about."

You were contrasting the "third document signed" example with the KGB issue that we've been discussing, as if to say that because I presumably didn't what the document was, it put me on the same level as the people who didn't know about the KGB (therefore making my arguments null and void). I carefully explained that the two things are very different and cannot be compared, thus making your argument specious. For one thing, you're talking about a current event that happened within the past 24 hours (assuming that it even happened at all and you're not fabricating the example) that speculatively may or may not have an effect on some people somewhere down the road and I'm talking about an important historical entity--the KGB--that directly affected the lives of millions of people for 40 years.

Now, which one should someone be at fault for not knowing about? Your entire argument depends upon equating the two examples.

well i think you're a stupid apathetic teen for not knowing what's going on with our own government today

Actually, I have deep and intricate knowledge of the current political situation in the U.S. and elsewhere in the world. Luckily, my knowledge isn't dependent upon knowing the answer to some random question that you pulled out of your ass. If one didn't care, then yes, you'd be right; they would indeed be a stupid apathetic teen.
btw don't call me a teen i'm only 12 years old right now gosh

Some schools will actually talk about it, and that's fine and all, but apparently most schools don't and that's not the fault of the students.

y so tedious???

Now we return to my original argument that I stated in the first place. Let me restate it once again for the sake of clarity: knowledge of an entity called the KBG that existed within the Soviet Union is obligatory knowledge for everyone no matter how old, young, short, fat, or tall--even if one's high school did not touch upon it the subject--since it was such a significant organization in world history.

Furthermore, if one is in fact ignorant of what the KGB was and sees it mentioned, then one should either hang one's head down in shame and go hide in a dark corner somewhere or spend the five seconds required to obtain the relevant information through a popular search engine (e.g., google, yahoo, etc.) or through wikipedia; under no circumstance should one advertise one's ignorance as one's offense in this case is too egregious for anyone else to know.

In conclusion, those who do not have previous knowledge of the KGB, like you and the rest of apathetic teens you represent, ought to be lined up against the wall and promptly dealt with by the firing squad.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is my argument.

you're stupid so shut up

yeah well you're a dumb meany-head who likes spinach
why don't you go play with all the other meany-head dum-dums in the sandbox over there

[ncba93ivyase]

In conclusion, those who do not have previous knowledge of the KGB, like you and the rest of apathetic teens you represent, ought to be lined up against the wall and promptly dealt with by the firing squad.

I just scanned your shit, saw "apathetic" (because I knew it'd be mentioned), and simply went

Ignorant = lacking knowledge of something. The KGB was never mentioned in any class throughout most of our school careers. Since most of us never heard of it until this day, we had no reason to look it up and in fact we couldn't look it up because we didn't know of it--that's why most of us discovered what it was when we read this topic today and immediately went out to inform ourselves.

Honestly, I don't get what the hell you've been arguing about this whole time aside from (YOU TEENS ARE SO APATHETIC AND DUMB FOR NOT GOOGLING SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER POPPED UP IN YOUR LIFETIME UNTIL NOW."

Did you know Ada Lovelace was the first computer programmer? If you didn't, you're an idiot that should be shot because what she did is very valuable to our current world. thomas jefferson was also among the first to grow tomatoes, and alexander hamilton was gay, and there's plenty of other shit many people don't know. you can't expect everyone to instantly look up every single goddamn thing they hear every single goddamn second of their lives. Someone having a conversation in a restaurant in the table beside you mentions the KGB, but you've never heard of it before. Should you give a shit? Nope, not really.

that's why most of us never learned of it unless we did extensive research of russia and world war ii history and the cold war or watch the history channel all day or had an excellent history teacher, all of which are very unlikely in current america and amongst these "apathetic teens" you're talking about

I don't see how the fact I'm not obsessed with Russian history and communism is a bad thing. It by no means makes me "apathetic."

[Nyerp]

HI, I'M A FUCKING IDIOT NAMED SLIM AND I, BY CHANCE, KNOW A USELESS FACT THAT YOU DON'T AND WILL ENDLESSLY FLAUNT IT OVER YOU BECAUSE I'M AN INSECURE ASSHOLE

[Friendly Hostile]

Have you idiots not seen any action or espionage films made before the 90's?

[Slim]

I just scanned your shit, saw "apathetic" (because I knew it'd be mentioned), and simply went

yeah well if that's true then i guess i'll just have to go and insert that word randomly into this post to throw you off the trail for a while gosh i'm so devious i surprise myself sometimes tee hee

Ignorant = lacking knowledge of something. The KGB was never mentioned in any class throughout most of our school careers. Since most of us never heard of it until this day, we had no reason to look it up and in fact we couldn't look it up because we didn't know of it--that's why most of us discovered what it was when we read this topic today and immediately went out to inform ourselves.

I know what the word ignorant means; I don't need a definition from you. The way you defined it is exactly how I've been using it.
I already addressed the rest of this drivel in my previous [apathetic] post. Read it over a few more times and let it really sink in.

Honestly, I don't get what the hell you've been arguing about this whole time aside from (YOU TEENS ARE SO APATHETIC AND DUMB FOR NOT GOOGLING SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER POPPED UP IN YOUR LIFETIME UNTIL NOW."

You're dwelling on the description "apathetic" too much. That was something I attributed to you after seeing your blasé attitude toward people's embarrassing lack of knowledge, or ignorance (if I am permitted to use that term in your presence). My [apathetic] argument doesn't depend upon branding you apathetic.
There are plenty of other perfectly applicable words to use in this situation. Uh, like imbecilic, for example. No wait, how about asinine? Yeah, I shall henceforth call you asinine instead of apathetic. Better?

Did you know Ada Lovelace was the first computer programmer? If you didn't, you're an idiot that should be shot because what she did is very valuable to our current world. thomas jefferson was also among the first to grow tomatoes, and alexander hamilton was gay, and there's plenty of other shit many people don't know. you can't expect everyone to instantly look up every single goddamn thing they hear every single goddamn second of their lives. Someone having a conversation in a restaurant in the table beside you mentions the KGB, but you've never heard of it before. Should you give a shit? Nope, not really.

Back to the specious examples are we? I thought we were [apathetic] past that.
Everything you listed is obscure, irrelevant crap and in no way compares to the importance of the KGB. I know that computers have been programmed by people and that this was an important achievement; knowing the name of the first person who did this is trivial. I know who Thomas Jefferson was; his tomato-growing prowess is trivial. I know who Alexander Hamilton was; his disputed sexual orientation is trivial.

It would make sense to bring up those things if I had been making a big deal about someone not knowing some little trivial detail about the people involved with the KGB or the exact year something happened with it. All I'm saying is that people ought to know that the damn thing existed. Likewise, if someone didn't know who Thomas Jefferson or Alexander Hamilton were or that computers can be programmed nowadays, I'd expect you count this as a mark against the [apathetic] person and not accept "but my high school didn't talk about it ;--;" as an excuse.

Also, I'm not saying that knowing about the KGB has a tremendous impact on one's day-to-day life. If we reduced everything to how much it affects the average person in their day-to-days lives, then hardly anything really matters at all--not any history, that's for sure. However, I am of the opinion that knowing that the KGB existed is such an obvious historical fact to know that it reflects back poorly on a person if they do not possess this knowledge.

that's why most of us never learned of it unless we did extensive research of russia and world war ii history and the cold war or watch the history channel all day or had an excellent history teacher, all of which are very unlikely in current america and amongst these "apathetic teens" you're talking about
I don't see how the fact I'm not obsessed with Russian history and communism is a bad thing. It by no means makes me "apathetic."

No. You're not getting it.
Knowledge of the KGB's existence is not arcane. It does not take an obsession with anything to know about, nor does it require extensive research. Every educated adult in the fucking world knows about it. Just because you didn't does not suddenly make it esoteric; it just makes you a dumbass.

To clarify for all the other Nyerp's out there: I am not trying to assert that I am smarter or superior in any way because I knew this [apathetic] fact. Knowing about the KGB is such common knowledge that it says nothing about a person if they do know about it. I'm not trying to flaunt this knowledge, as doing so would be absurd considering what a basic fact it is.

HI, I'M A FUCKING IDIOT NAMED SLIM AND I, BY CHANCE, KNOW A USELESS FACT THAT YOU DON'T AND WILL ENDLESSLY FLAUNT IT OVER YOU BECAUSE I'M AN INSECURE ASSHOLE

HI, I'M NYERP AND I TYPE IN GIANT SIZE 12, BOLD, ITALICIZED FONT BECAUSE I'M COMPENSATING FOR MY SMALL PENIS SIZE OH YEAH AND I HAVE A PENCHANT FOR FINE WINE AND A PASSION FOR THE GAME OF CROCHET
wow nyerp you sure said some crazy stuff there it's almost as if that wasn't you saying it at all.

Have you idiots not seen any action or espionage films made before the 90's?

Agreed. Cold War politics are infused into the popular culture of the period.
...Which is another reason why you'd have to be an idiot to not know about the KGB, which is what I've been saying all along.

[FAMY2]

Have you idiots not seen any action or espionage films made before the 90's?

Maybe even after. There are tons of movies out there that are about that era. 

[Samus Aran]

dude ur fuckin stuped u no nuttin abut dis wurld ur a dum teen dat no nuttin ur aptheedick u fucken dumb$$

da govs gonna taek ovur ur mind u n00b if u dunt wiki it faget

...uh, okay? What the hell did that have to do with what I just said?

[ncba93ivyase]

Knowledge of the KGB's existence is not arcane. It does not take an obsession with anything to know about, nor does it require extensive research. Every educated adult in the fucking world knows about it. Just because you didn't does not suddenly make it esoteric; it just makes you a dumbass. along.[/i]

so then lack of knowledge of any historical event ever makes one inherently stupid

For anyone born after its existence, actual knowledge of it seems rare. There aren't many people that talk about it in regular conversations (unless you're an outsider that's obsessed with nazis and communism, then sure) so it's less likely for a younger person to know what it is than actually have been aware of it. There may be some references to it in stuff like TF2, but really, again, who looks up every goddamn thing they see during every second of their life? Most schools don't cover it, almost no one talks about it, and thus it's highly improbable for it to be "common knowledge" among the general youth. Hell, I doubt even half of the American population over 30 would be able to tell you exactly what it was beyond "some russian/communist thing." Most people don't even know what the hell the CIA does, so you honestly can't expect them to know all about the KGB.

[YPrrrr]

So I'm taking it that no one will know about the Gestapo either then?

[ncba93ivyase]

So I'm taking it that no one will know about the Gestapo either then?

The only thing schools these days talk about are nazis, the civil war, the revolutionary war, the civil war, Lincoln, slavery, and the civil war.

so yes, that's something i've heard just a little bit about

[Nyerp]

So I'm taking it that no one will know about the Gestapo either then?

yes i know about that

[YPrrrr]

Well the KGB seems pretty comparable to the Gestapo if not more infamous

[ncba93ivyase]

Well the KGB seems pretty comparable to the Gestapo if not more infamous

american schools don't care about russia, and that's the problem

And you have to remember America worships jews and Israel so they'll only cover the stuff nazis did.