I think I'm becoming more liberal

[Title]

What about the rest of the post.

And you completely ignored the chart.

The interest rates dropped while Bush was president, not the personal debt.

Considering that changes in interest rates don't take years to kick in, that point is just stupid.

Interest rates drop every time
a) The economy starts to speed up (2001)
b) A Democrat comes to office (2008)
c) The Economy is dismal (2008)

[Daddy]

Interest rates drop every time
a) The economy starts to speed up (2001)
b) A Democrat comes to office (2008)
c) The Economy is dismal (2008)

That's a nice catch all there.

"It's bad when they drop because of democrats but good when they drop because the economy is good"

[Oh]

 Is Title trying to defend Bush? 

[sans culottes]

Should've clarified. Bush was terrible, and that he sucked is not propaganda. But there is this sort of propaganda going on that appeals to young dumbshits who want to feel like they know politics. You know, they hear all about Bush being awful, but they cannot reason that and don't really think about issues. Far too many young liberals are bandwagoning morons.

[Oh]

Should've clarified. Bush was terrible, and that he sucked is not propaganda. But there is this sort of propaganda going on that appeals to young dumbshits who want to feel like they know politics. You know, they hear all about Bush being awful, but they cannot reason that and don't really think about issues. Far too many young liberals are bandwagoning morons.

Too many old republicans are bandwagoning morons too. 

[Daddy]

Too many old republicans are bandwagoning morons too. 

i aint givin my money to dem faggot negro commie atheists. this country was founded by jesus and it will stay that way yaherd

[sans culottes]

Too many old republicans are bandwagoning morons too. 

This is true, but how many serious young republicans do you see? The average person is more liberal in their youth and more conservative in their old age.

[Socks]

This is true, but how many serious young republicans do you see? The average person is more liberal in their youth and more conservative in their old age.

[Feynman]

Most liberals are fucking dumbasses who are liberal for the sole reason that it's the hip thing to do and because Bush was a bad president. It's actually really ironic because we like to paint conservatives as the more uneducated people, which is only true in the South, really. Liberals have no idea why they're liberal. Most people have no idea why they voted for Barack Obama.

Though that may be true to a much lesser degree than you try to assert it with your arrogance and bigotry and the general idiocy of your entire ignorant crypto-republican attitude towards it allââ,¬â€�I find the conservatives to be more stupid in that they seem to bring religion into the mix. I wish they were real conservatives.

Anyway, that's besides the pointââ,¬â€�I think most people, especially young people, are completely stupid and uneducated when it comes to politics, like yourself. We really shouldn't attribute the general idiocy of the greater population to the entire ideology that is liberalismââ,¬â€�because we're discussing the actual views rather than the stupid supporters. Often I find that people like you think they know about politics and ideologies, but you only know what kind of idiots each party has. That's not politics, you're just an idiot... for even bringing this up, you're a huge idiot.

Seriously.

Interest rates drop every time
a) The economy starts to speed up (2001)
b) A Democrat comes to office (2008)
c) The Economy is dismal (2008)

Obama came to office in January of '09. And there were already signs of economic decline since well before what we saw in September of '08. But that's oversimplifying the entire situation, like you are, so I'd rather not discuss it like this.

[Ch�shū]

Most liberals are fucking dumbasses who are liberal for the sole reason that it's the hip thing to do and because Bush was a bad president. It's actually really ironic because we like to paint conservatives as the more uneducated people, which is only true in the South, really. Liberals have no idea why they're liberal. Most people have no idea why they voted for Barack Obama.

I don't know how anyone could even look at this post as a semi-logical stream of thoughts.

At it's core, politics is run like a business.  The candidates try to "sell" themselves to you.  They express the handy features that will come with them, and how they're better than the competition.

"liberal" is just an expression used to define a political view.  It's not a political party, or a group of people.  The term liberal could even be different depending on what situation you're talking about and what area you live in.

But the fact of the matter is, there are dumbasses on both sides of the fence.  I remember flipping on CNN and seeing some lady say that she wanted to vote for Sarah Palin because when she saw her on TV she could "sense" the holy spirit flowing for her, and because of this it meant that God wanted her in office.  I remember people seeing videos of people in rallies saying that Obama was going to turn the nation into a socialist dictatorship, and when these people were approached and asked what socialism was, they couldn't give a correct answer.  It was just something that they heard from other people and decided to pass it on like a virus.

When people ask me who I thought was the best candidate out of McCain and Obama, I always say Obama.  Many of these people then immediately start talking down to me as if I was a sheep who voted for the "hip" president because I didn't have a mind of my own.  But in reality, although there was a lot of overhype and propaganda revolving around Obama's campaign, I didn't support him because he was black, or because he was young, I supported him because I thought that him and the people around him would do a better job for America than McCain.

[Zach]

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Interest+Rates+US

That clearly shows  drop in early 2001(i.e. Before 9/11) continuing until late 2003. Bush was president then.

This roots of this recession go back to Clinton's presidency. He encouraged companies like Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac to lower their standards and give bad loans to minorities: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html

[Daddy]

This roots of this recession go back to Clinton's presidency. He encouraged companies like Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac to lower their standards and give bad loans to minorities: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html

Uh, do you wanna reword it to not sound racist?

[Zach]

EDIT: Okay, yeah, I see where you're going with this. I could see how someone could mistakenly take that as racist. 

Anyway, Clinton was pressuring mortgage companies to give out bad loans. That's the real root of the problem there, not Bush's tax cuts or whatever anyone else tries to blame it on. I'm not trying to defend Bush's economic policies, but it's not right to put all the blame on him.

[guff]

wow, you people make sweeping generalizations all the time

Anyway, Clinton was pressuring mortgage companies to give out bad loans.

no, he pressured them to reach out a bit more to those who couldn't get standard loans
the lenders complied by offering subprime loans, then realized, hey, we can get people who qualify for normal loans to just take out sub-prime ones instead yeah that's a good way to make money
also, might be worth pointing out that the percentage of loans that were subprime were twice as high as they were under clinton 


and is it just me, or does it seem like claiming that "liberalism is a silly fad those darn teenagers get obsessed over" is a fad that those darn internet users get obsessed over 

[Zach]

I can't say that I've ever met too many non-liberals on the Internet, so who knows. 

Anyway, I'm not saying that the recession is Clinton's fault or anything dumb like that, just that everything originates from his involvement with the mortgage companies.