WHO'S THE MOST MOE BOYAGER

[Samus Aran]

Ppqu by a long shot if I remember correctly.

Oh yes, you remembered perfectly.

[Houdini]

Everybody has different journeys, yeah. I just mean, pain like that isn't comparable. It sucks for everybody.

It sounds like you're in the best possible setting to figure that out...unless everybody else being confused without a strict social code makes more chaos. But you can find people to talk to and relate with, at least.

My setting has its own problems which I'm not going to go into, since we're talking about you, not me. All I'll say is that on the whole, the chaos is a good thing. I thrive on chaos.

My setting is safe enough. I have a church group which gets together who really care for me, and I have a pretty wide network of people to call on if I need to. But I spent most of my time at school, where I'm closeted, or home, where I stay in my room so my mother, who knows, doesn't lose sleep. Around town is not safe. One of the most important things about college is that I can be accepted there. So I'm sort of in a community like you're describing, and I definitely plan to be in one come September.

You're lucky to have a church group that authentically cares about me. My experience with church is that the people involved pretend to care about me for the sake of appearances but ultimately don't understand me at all. You're also lucky that your mother knows and hasn't disowned you, because not a lot of people in similar situations have that. I haven't been to college yet, so I can't speak from firsthand experience, but if you find the right college your life will start to improve dramatically. What do you plan to study?

[the shortest route to the sea]

My setting has its own problems which I'm not going to go into, since we're talking about you, not me. All I'll say is that on the whole, the chaos is a good thing. I thrive on chaos.

That's a wonderful, wonderful thing. I wish I had more of that in me!

You're lucky to have a church group that authentically cares about me. My experience with church is that the people involved pretend to care about me for the sake of appearances but ultimately don't understand me at all.

I'm Unitarian Universalist, so everyone in my church automatically is awesome. I'm not even religious!

You're also lucky that your mother knows and hasn't disowned you, because not a lot of people in similar situations have that.

I am lucky in that, but I also shift back in forth in my gratitude. Yes, I'm thankful for the stability of my home life. But my mother's actions make it clear enough that though she cares worlds about me, she refuses to reach out to her daughter. Does that make sense? It's not an enormous thing, far worse is my school life. I don't like having 90% of where I spend my time be as stifling as it is. But I walk on the bodies of the men and women who've gone before me, I guess, transladies included.

I haven't been to college yet, so I can't speak from firsthand experience, but if you find the right college your life will start to improve dramatically. What do you plan to study?

Music and Math! I think. Or Music and something with Computer Science. I love adding things!

[Houdini]

That's a wonderful, wonderful thing. I wish I had more of that in me!

You might have more than you think. Discovering that is just another part of your journey. Chaos is wonderful and the more you learn to embrace it the happier you'll be.

I'm Unitarian Universalist, so everyone in my church automatically is awesome. I'm not even religious!

I've heard about that. It seems extremely cool. Unfortunately, my parents used to send me to Christian church. Christianity is just not a very good religion. Your church is probably helping you in ways you don't even realize. Remember that.

I am lucky in that, but I also shift back in forth in my gratitude. Yes, I'm thankful for the stability of my home life. But my mother's actions make it clear enough that though she cares worlds about me, she refuses to reach out to her daughter. Does that make sense?

Yes, it makes perfect sense. A lot of parents have a hard enough time reaching out to their kids as it is. It must be difficult for your mother to accept that she actually has a daughter and not a son. You have to understand that whether or not she's trying her best, it's just not easy for her. For years she's expected you to fulfill a certain role and now that she knows that that's not actually who you are it's probably really messing with her mind.

It's not an enormous thing, far worse is my school life. I don't like having 90% of where I spend my time be as stifling as it is. But I walk on the bodies of the men and women who've gone before me, I guess, transladies included.

At least you'll be out of there soon. High school is pretty terrible even without gender identity conflicts, so just surviving every day is enough of an accomplishment. Even I go through days where I honestly can't see any hope for myself. So even though your problems are more severe than a lot of the people around you, you're not alone.

Music and Math! I think. Or Music and something with Computer Science. I love adding things!

Music and Math is a perfect combination, since music is basically a form of math. So good choice. Music will also give you a great opportunity to meet people who are more understanding.

[the shortest route to the sea]

You might have more than you think. Discovering that is just another part of your journey. Chaos is wonderful and the more you learn to embrace it the happier you'll be.

I think I equate that mindset to me learning to "chill out," which is very important.

I've heard about that. It seems extremely cool. Unfortunately, my parents used to send me to Christian church. Christianity is just not a very good religion. Your church is probably helping you in ways you don't even realize. Remember that.

The UUs got me for life, it's perfect in so many ways I can't even go into it, and in so many ways I don't even know yet.

Yes, it makes perfect sense. A lot of parents have a hard enough time reaching out to their kids as it is. It must be difficult for your mother to accept that she actually has a daughter and not a son. You have to understand that whether or not she's trying her best, it's just not easy for her. For years she's expected you to fulfill a certain role and now that she knows that that's not actually who you are it's probably really messing with her mind.

This is probably the worst possible "revelation" she could get about her son. She very much loves structure and proper ways of doing things, so when the order is disrupted she gets very frustrated. She also is bad about communication. I am quite harsh on her...I'll think about this.

At least you'll be out of there soon. High school is pretty terrible even without gender identity conflicts, so just surviving every day is enough of an accomplishment. Even I go through days where I honestly can't see any hope for myself. So even though your problems are more severe than a lot of the people around you, you're not alone.

So true. There are one or two closeted gays (I know due to psychic magic) at my school, and I can just watch what they're going through and cringe a little bit. And that's in the bubble of my high school. I'm lucky that I don't have to worry about violence and things like that, for one thing.

Man, all you've done is made me feel lucky. Thanksgiving was YESTERDAY!

Music and Math is a perfect combination, since music is basically a form of math. So good choice. Music will also give you a great opportunity to meet people who are more understanding.

Music Majors are fabulous folks. The few music classes / study sessions I've been to on college trips have been riotously wonderful. Chaotic and expressive and very real.

[Houdini]

I think I equate that mindset to me learning to "chill out," which is very important.

Learning to chill out has everything to do with chaos. Some people think peacefulness is the absence of chaos, but really it's learning to become comfortable with chaos, to let it flow through you and become a part of you.

The UUs got me for life, it's perfect in so many ways I can't even go into it, and in so many ways I don't even know yet.

I'm starting to become intrigued. I've been looking for the right spiritual support structure for my life and so far everything I've looked into has been a bust. Maybe the Unitarian Universalist thing is for me. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

This is probably the worst possible "revelation" she could get about her son. She very much loves structure and proper ways of doing things, so when the order is disrupted she gets very frustrated. She also is bad about communication. I am quite harsh on her...I'll think about this.

A recurring theme in my life is communication. A lot of people who I'm close, or have been close to, are not very good at communicating. This has always been a problem for me. However, recently I've noticed that the more open I become, the more I actively try to communicate, the more likely people are to communicate back to me. Think about that. Not just with your mom, but with everyone in your life.

So true. There are one or two closeted gays (I know due to psychic magic) at my school, and I can just watch what they're going through and cringe a little bit. And that's in the bubble of my high school. I'm lucky that I don't have to worry about violence and things like that, for one thing.

There are probably more closeted gays than that. Still, the fact that you're able to detect any of them means you have a pretty strong awareness. It sucks that people have to go through these things, but if people like you continue to discover themselves and learn how to exist in this world, then in the future people won't have to hide who they are the way they do now.

Man, all you've done is made me feel lucky. Thanksgiving was YESTERDAY!

You are lucky! That's something you always need to remember. It's important. You need to know that no matter how bad you feel about yourself, there's actually a huge amount of great things in your life that are worth living for.

About a month or two ago I became as depressed as I've probably ever been. I seriously couldn't remember why I was even alive. Then one day after a really dark conversation, a friend of mine embraced me and said something into my ear.

This is what she said: "You have so much to live for."

That's when I finally began to overcome the depression that had been a part of me for years.

Music Majors are fabulous folks. The few music classes / study sessions I've been to on college trips have been riotously wonderful. Chaotic and expressive and very real.

That's the best possible environment to be in, at least as far as I'm concerned. Be a part of it.

[Hiro]

I bet you knooooow. 

I haven't the slightest idea 

[the shortest route to the sea]

Learning to chill out has everything to do with chaos. Some people think peacefulness is the absence of chaos, but really it's learning to become comfortable with chaos, to let it flow through you and become a part of you.

This speaks to me quite a bit.

I'm starting to become intrigued. I've been looking for the right spiritual support structure for my life and so far everything I've looked into has been a bust. Maybe the Unitarian Universalist thing is for me. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

No problem. It's more of a spiritual and social structure than an actual religion. It has its roots in Christian tradition, but the whole of it is all about inclusiveness and discovery. "When it doubt, pray. When in prayer, doubt." The whole thing pivots around the 7 principles (fabulous, right?):

    * The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
    * Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
    * Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
    * A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
    * The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
    * The goal of world community with peace, liberty and justice for all;
    * Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part

There are probably more closeted gays than that. Still, the fact that you're able to detect any of them means you have a pretty strong awareness. It sucks that people have to go through these things, but if people like you continue to discover themselves and learn how to exist in this world, then in the future people won't have to hide who they are the way they do now.

My school is very small and socially conservative. But yes, we must pave the way as well.

You are lucky! That's something you always need to remember. It's important. You need to know that no matter how bad you feel about yourself, there's actually a huge amount of great things in your life that are worth living for.

So I get the Thanksgiving spirit one day late. Oh well!

About a month or two ago I became as depressed as I've probably ever been. I seriously couldn't remember why I was even alive. Then one day after a really dark conversation, a friend of mine embraced me and said something into my ear.

This is what she said: "You have so much to live for."

That's when I finally began to overcome the depression that had been a part of me for years.

That's the best possible environment to be in, at least as far as I'm concerned. Be a part of it.

Of loving friends and sincere words...yeah, I'll stay there.

[Thyme]

on a side note moé means "me" in really colloquial french-canadian

[Socks]

You think a woman that gets nasty bones tattoed on her hip and showing her pubes is supremely cute?

supremely beautiful, actually

[Hippopo]

also hippo

except in the serious discussion board

I am so totally moe in serious discussion.