And this is partially why I view religion as a bad thing

[Daddy]

nice you guys just got burned by wikipedia

or jusst facts

also the people i've asked irl were all methodists except for two mormons. people online i'm not so sure about. one of them was vermanubis ;__;

and they all said they don't know?

at this point i dont care which sect i get the answer from i just want to know if anyone knows how to solve this dilemma i have in understanding why jesus would die for everyone's sins.

the idea is that god loves us all and sent his only son to die for our sins.
but that just begs why god would curse humanity with sin
why he couldn't just forgive without the sacrifice
why he would create in the first place

[rdl]

or jusst facts

About as factual as blind faith.

and they all said they don't know?

Funnyish story, actually. Vermanubis told me that if Hitler repented enough God would forgive him. I said "wut that's a little too much repentance". One of the mormons told me to go to temple, and the other said "cause the bible said so!" and then started freaking out about how it didn't make sense for the universe to have been created from the explosion of a pearl(he was attempting to talk about the big bang). and the rest mostly changed the subject, though a few tried at first and then gave up after I said, "but that still doesn't make sense".

-the idea is that god loves us all and sent his only son to die for our sins.
-but that just begs why god would curse humanity with sin
-why he couldn't just forgive without the sacrifice
-why he would create in the first place

-actually i've heard that jesus was actually god incarnate but he's also god's son so maybe jesus's body is god's son but god inhabited the body to help with the miracle making
-because if there was no sin then why strive for paradise?
-cuz old testament god was angry rawwwr or maybe the jews were just jerks like the bible and quran say they were
-shut up emo kid

[Det in F♯ Major]

i don't know why you brought up that wikipedia thing, it's not even what i was saying
i never said i had faith because the bible said so
i have faith because i want to have it

If Jesus died for everyone's sins, why do the rules set in the Bible matter? Couldn't I go around fornicating and butsexing everyone I see and then repent and then go to Heaven regardless?

uh are you truly sorry for your sins?

[rdl]

Yes I was merely a young horny man who liked to experiment with my fellow peers' buttholes

[Det in F♯ Major]

Yes I was merely a young horny man who liked to experiment with my fellow peers' buttholes

So you are truly ashamed of what you did and want to be forgiven and want a clear conscious from it? And you will never do it again?

[Daddy]

About as factual as blind faith.

uh i don't see anything "in blind faith" about pointing out logical fallacies.

Funny story, actually. Vermanubis told me that if Hitler repented enough God would forgive him.

He's Catholic I think. That'd also make sense since he's from Massachusetts and New England has a lot of Catholics.

One of the mormons told me to go to temple, and the other said "cause the bible said so!"

Mormons are idiots.

and then started freaking out about how it didn't make sense for the universe to have been created from the explosion of a pearl(he was attempting to talk about the big bang).

Idiots who don't understand anything.

and the rest mostly changed the subject, though a few tried at first and then gave up after I said, "but that still doesn't make sense".

They sound boring.

-actually i've heard that jesus was actually god incarnate but he's also god's son so maybe jesus's body is god's son but god inhabited the body to help with the miracle making

once again depending on the sect

-because if there was no sin then why strive for paradise?

god created man without sin.

-cuz old testament god was angry rawwwr or maybe the jews were just jerks like the bible and quran say they were

and have big noses

-shut up emo kid

emo;


but also remember that argument to me is like saying 'why do unicorns wear red shoes'

i don't know why you brought up that wikipedia thing, it's not even what i was saying

because it's generally the argument used, hence it even being the example in the article

i never said i had faith because the bible said so
i have faith because i want to have it

that isn't evidence or proof though. you can believe what you want but it doesn't make it factual.
i want to believe i can go faster than light but it doesn't make it true

uh are you truly sorry for your sins?

no

[rdl]

god created man without sin.

uh adam and eve?

anyways i need to go pray to God see you later

[Daddy]

uh adam and eve?

adam and lillith.

yes adam and eve were created without sin according to christian doctrine

anyways i need to go pray to God see you later

how many times didy ou do it today

[guff]

i think i'm in the position of disagreeing with both sides here 

except i don't actually know what you guys are talking about now 

[Daddy]

i think i'm in the position of disagreeing with both sides here 

except i don't actually know what you guys are talking about now 

just agree with me i'm right guff

[rdl]

adam and lillith.

yes adam and eve were created without sin according to christian doctrine

i guess you're right. that's odd, i thought all prophet stories in the bible and the quran were the same with the exception of job and all of the ones in the quran that arent in the bible

how many times didy ou do it today

4/5. I never do the fifth one. I just can't seem to make it a habit. One of these days...

[guff]

just agree with me i'm right guff

you are too combative and hostile 

hell i'm just as much of an atheist but i can say things like "oh god lol" without having to point out that there is no god in fact i bet i believe in god even less than you do punk

[Daddy]

you are too combative and hostile 

hell i'm just as much of an atheist but i can say things like "oh god lol" without having to point out that there is no god in fact i bet i believe in god even less than you do punk

well you need to get throuh the circular reasoning.


i say oh god lol all the time without saying there is no god because god doesn't lol 
oh yeah i believe in god the leastest

[guff]

well you need to get throuh the circular reasoning.

i say oh god lol all the time without saying there is no god because god doesn't lol 
oh yeah i believe in god the leastest

by antagonizing them well how has that been working for you jim 

yeah well when i eat breakfast i think about how much god doesn't exist 

[Daddy]

by antagonizing them well how has that been working for you jim 

very well

yeah well when i eat breakfast i think about how much god doesn't exist 

i don't believe so hard that i can make other things not exist