In fact I'd say botw is a great execution of what Zelda was intended to be in the first place and an absolutely necessary return to form from the NES days applied to modern standards

Quote from: Mando Pandango on December 04, 2022, 05:19:07 PMI'm still playing botw but i like it. If you think it's worse than twilight Princess you're fucking delusional

damn, so heated

i loved my time with botw, but it and ss are truly the two zelda games that i also have the most problems with

twilight princess, ironically, these days i do not have that many problems with in the grand scheme of things, most of my issues are a bit smaller than, say, the complete lack of actual dungeons in botw, or the complete lack of a meaningful story that's actually integrated into the player's interaction with botw

botw is a game i love for what it is, in spite of what it isn't, but i still greatly lament what's missing

Quote from: Mando Pandango on December 04, 2022, 05:19:07 PMIf you think it's worse than twilight Princess you're fucking delusional

i lol'd

Quote from: Mando Pandango on December 04, 2022, 05:20:37 PMIn fact I'd say botw is a great execution of what Zelda was intended to be in the first place and an absolutely necessary return to form from the NES days applied to modern standards

I screamed.

I'll say that in Skyward Sword I desperately missed having big dungeons to explore. And after a while with botw, I don't miss them here. I'm very surprised to be saying that and i think it says a lot about the design philosophy. There's nothing in this world that a big dungeon would service, in terms of reward to be gained from doing one. There's no Big Thing to go into the dungeon and get.

I find myself thinking about Shadow of the Colossus more than any other game as I play it. Here's the world, here's all the stuff to explore, here are the things you need to do. Go do em. No big distractions.

I think it works!

Quote from: Mando Pandango on December 04, 2022, 06:07:45 PMI find myself thinking about Shadow of the Colossus more than any other game as I play it. Here's the world, here's all the stuff to explore, here are the things you need to do. Go do em. No big distractions.

I think it works!

i am genuinely fascinated by this opinion

I think it helps a lot to be in a mindset where you're willing to check out what's around you with no strong intent on Getting To The Next Thing Immediately. A lot of the time I'll see something on the map and think "well what the hell is going on there" and on the way to that thing, something else cool will catch my attention. And often it's rewarding, sometimes monetarily, sometimes in some kind of precious resource.

This isn't usually my mindset with games, and it took some getting used to. It's also more fun when I'm high on the weed 420 for this reason.

Quote from: Mando Pandango on December 04, 2022, 06:19:37 PMThis isn't usually my mindset with games, and it took some getting used to. It's also more fun when I'm high on the weed 420 for this reason.

i screamed (as in, i lol'd q. hard)

Quote from: Mando Pandango on December 04, 2022, 06:07:45 PMI'll say that in Skyward Sword I desperately missed having big dungeons to explore. And after a while with botw, I don't miss them here. I'm very surprised to be saying that and i think it says a lot about the design philosophy. There's nothing in this world that a big dungeon would service, in terms of reward to be gained from doing one. There's no Big Thing to go into the dungeon and get.

I find myself thinking about Shadow of the Colossus more than any other game as I play it. Here's the world, here's all the stuff to explore, here are the things you need to do. Go do em. No big distractions.

I think it works!

i think it works too. i just also love zelda dungeons, and they are a big part of what zelda games are to me. sure, there's the little divine beast "dungeons," but theyre painfully simple.

and the point of a dungeon is not to have something to go get. the something to get is just part of the experience therein. you don't go into eagle tower to get the mirror shield, you go into eagle tower to solve an excellent puzzle.