Quote from: Khadafi on August 07, 2018, 07:53:09 PM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 07, 2018, 07:12:32 PMchina is arguably the very face of neoliberalism

I actually agree with you.

yeah i wasn't kidding lol, but china's implementation of neoliberal policy is what i would call unclean or impure, which is why neoliberalism-with-chinese-characteristics can be and is at times highly destructive

Quote from: Khadafi on August 07, 2018, 07:53:09 PMAggressive pursuit of GDP growth through state management of the economy (the US largely does this through the Federal Reserve) at the expense of the country's domestic workers, even in cases where foreign countries are the exploiters.

this is dirty/crony neoliberalism, and it's not what i desire at all

Quote from: Khadafi on August 07, 2018, 07:53:09 PMChina's economy is the dream of what neoliberals want.

No it isn't. Present-day China and early 20th century laissez-faire America are models of what not to do.

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 07, 2018, 08:02:06 PM

Quote from: Khadafi on August 07, 2018, 07:53:09 PM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 07, 2018, 07:12:32 PMchina is arguably the very face of neoliberalism

I actually agree with you.

yeah i wasn't kidding lol, but china's implementation of neoliberal policy is what i would call unclean or impure, which is why neoliberalism-with-chinese-characteristics can be and is at times highly destructive

Quote from: Khadafi on August 07, 2018, 07:53:09 PMAggressive pursuit of GDP growth through state management of the economy (the US largely does this through the Federal Reserve) at the expense of the country's domestic workers, even in cases where foreign countries are the exploiters.

this is dirty/crony neoliberalism, and it's not what i desire at all

Quote from: Khadafi on August 07, 2018, 07:53:09 PMChina's economy is the dream of what neoliberals want.

No it isn't. Present-day China and early 20th century laissez-faire America are models of what not to do.

i think he means the neoliberals with actual power.

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 07, 2018, 07:36:33 PM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 07, 2018, 07:12:32 PMchina is arguably the very face of neoliberalism

no you're thinkin' of my ass

it actually might be even more accurate to say that china is arguably the mongler's arse of neoliberalism

wtf did you guys do to my thread jesus

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 08, 2018, 05:34:11 AMwtf did you guys do to my thread jesus

You started it

i was just making a little goof and now we're talking about neoliberalism and china wtf

An anaracho-communist and a neoliberal walk into a thread...

Quote from: Khadafi on August 07, 2018, 07:53:09 PM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 07, 2018, 07:12:32 PMchina is arguably the very face of neoliberalism

I actually agree with you.

also thank you for concurring because you've actually lent credence to the argument i'm in the process of making in this thread:

https://boyah.net/forums2/index.php/topic,69922.0.html



in just about one generation, china rose from the very depths of poverty to become the second largest economy and second most powerful nation in the world, and it got there precisely through adopting neoliberal policy beginning in the deng xiaoping - jiang zemin era (no thanks to criminally incompetent mao of course, as i'm sure you'd also agree )

and that's despite china's rather dirty implementation of neoliberalism

you could even argue that a little bit of 'dirtiness' helps to accelerate poverty alleviation in the least developed states in the short term, but in the long run that is both undesirable and unsustainable and ideally you'd get progressive reforms once development hits a certain threshold a la the progressive movements that took place in the usa around the roaring 20s

Quote from: YPargh on August 08, 2018, 06:03:01 AMAn anaracho-communist and a neoliberal walk into a thread...

i lol'd

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 08, 2018, 08:33:27 AM

Quote from: Khadafi on August 07, 2018, 07:53:09 PM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 07, 2018, 07:12:32 PMchina is arguably the very face of neoliberalism

I actually agree with you.

also thank you for concurring because you've actually lent credence to the argument i'm in the process of making in this thread:

https://boyah.net/forums2/index.php/topic,69922.0.html



in just about one generation, china rose from the very depths of poverty to become the second largest economy and second most powerful nation in the world, and it got there precisely through adopting neoliberal policy beginning in the deng xiaoping - jiang zemin era (no thanks to criminally incompetent mao of course, as i'm sure you'd also agree )

and that's despite china's rather dirty implementation of neoliberalism

you could even argue that a little bit of 'dirtiness' helps to accelerate poverty alleviation in the least developed states in the short term, but in the long run that is both undesirable and unsustainable and ideally you'd get progressive reforms once development hits a certain threshold a la the progressive movements that took place in the usa around the roaring 20s

The rise in China's GDP/capita predates the Deng era reforms and the later liberalization of China's economy. The diminishing poverty began with its at least "semi socialist" command economy and modernization/industrialization under Mao.  It's just that they continued afterwards.

i also addressed this in several posts in that thread lmao

oh don't worry i plan to address your replies in that thread as well

plz be sure to address my issue with structuring it with "extreme poverty" vs income inequality.

Because keeping people poor, but not so poor that they can't afford goods to keep the capitalists in power isn't a plus

Quote from: Khadafi on August 08, 2018, 09:06:36 AMBecause keeping people poor, but not so poor that they can't afford goods to keep the capitalists in power isn't a plus

i wholeheartedly agree with this and have never so much as implied that i believe otherwise

Quote from: Khadafi on August 08, 2018, 09:06:36 AMplz be sure to address my issue with structuring it with "extreme poverty" vs income inequality.

With pleasure.