I just want to know what you think about it.
When I was a Christian I did. I believed, and still believe, that life existed out there.
The Bible seems to argue against that. It's one of the things that lead to me questioning the Bible and becoming an Atheist.
Quote from: JMV290 on June 14, 2007, 11:17:53 PM
When I was a Christian I did. I believed, and still believe, that life existed out there.
The Bible seems to argue against that. It's one of the things that lead to me questioning the Bible and becoming an Atheist.
Show me where the Bible argues against that, please. (Not trying to be a dick, but I'm just curious and would like to know)
As for myself, I don't know where I stand on extraterrestrial life. I do believe Angels and Demons are real which I guess are "extraterrestrial".
Quote from: JMV290 on June 14, 2007, 11:17:53 PM
When I was a Christian I did. I believed, and still believe, that life existed out there.
The Bible seems to argue against that. It's one of the things that lead to me questioning the Bible and becoming an Atheist.
The Bible said god created man, animals, and all that stuff. The problem isn't with the Bible itself, but many Christians don't consider "aliens" to be animals, when technically any living and thinking thing is an animal.
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 14, 2007, 11:33:50 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on June 14, 2007, 11:17:53 PM
When I was a Christian I did. I believed, and still believe, that life existed out there.
The Bible seems to argue against that. It's one of the things that lead to me questioning the Bible and becoming an Atheist.
Show me where the Bible argues against that, please. (Not trying to be a dick, but I'm just curious and would like to know)
As for myself, I don't know where I stand on extraterrestrial life. I do believe Angels and Demons are real which I guess are "extraterrestrial".
It doesn't implicitly state that extraterrestrial life does or does not exist but the account of the Bible of God creating the Earth and the Heavens and the life on Earth implies that life would only exist on Earth. Such a belief was enforced throughout the history of the Church.
Quote from: JMV290 on June 14, 2007, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 14, 2007, 11:33:50 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on June 14, 2007, 11:17:53 PM
When I was a Christian I did. I believed, and still believe, that life existed out there.
The Bible seems to argue against that. It's one of the things that lead to me questioning the Bible and becoming an Atheist.
Show me where the Bible argues against that, please. (Not trying to be a dick, but I'm just curious and would like to know)
As for myself, I don't know where I stand on extraterrestrial life. I do believe Angels and Demons are real which I guess are "extraterrestrial".
It doesn't implicitly state that extraterrestrial life does or does not exist but the account of the Bible of God creating the Earth and the Heavens and the life on Earth implies that life would only exist on Earth. Such a belief was enforced throughout the history of the Church.
That is true, from what I've heard of the bible, Earth is the only planet referenced in the bible
Quote from: Lawlz on June 14, 2007, 11:41:02 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on June 14, 2007, 11:17:53 PM
When I was a Christian I did. I believed, and still believe, that life existed out there.
The Bible seems to argue against that. It's one of the things that lead to me questioning the Bible and becoming an Atheist.
The Bible said god created man, animals, and all that stuff. The problem isn't with the Bible itself, but many Christians don't consider "aliens" to be animals, when technically any living and thinking thing is an animal.
You are misquoting.
Genesis 1:20-25 (New International Version)
20 And God said, "
Let the water teem with living creatures, and
let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morningâ,”the fifth day.
24 And God said, "
Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
It is specifically referring to the creatures on earth. The Bible is focused on the history of the earth and salvation of man (on earth) because its directed audience is man (on earth). God doesn't reveal everything to us. He doesn't tell us what day the world will end. He doesn't tell us what day Jesus will come back. We don't need to know that. So why would it be any different for another form of life to be on other planets, and God choose not to tell us?
It's definetly out there. Space is infinite, so I'm sure there's another planet out there suitable for life. It's even possible that life is on Mars, and scientists are looking into it.
I 100% believe that aliens exist, and I am a church-going Lutheran.
I don't care if the bible says it's not true, I believe it, and dismiss that part. It doesn't mean I don't believe in God anymore.
Umm... I don't really care.
Quote from: Lawlz on June 15, 2007, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: Original_MIB on June 15, 2007, 11:41:13 AM
Umm... I don't really care.
You should.
Yeah, this is a very real issue. This isn't some child's play topic like "what to do about stem cell research". Get your head in the game, man. antiflower;
Quote from: iamhollywood on June 15, 2007, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on June 15, 2007, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: Original_MIB on June 15, 2007, 11:41:13 AM
Umm... I don't really care.
You should.
Yeah, this is a very real issue. This isn't some child's play topic like "what to do about stem cell research". Get your head in the game, man. antiflower;
K.
So anyways, I think it's real because space is infinite and we can't be the only planet with life.
I've always believed it. Being alone it a seemingly limitless universe makse me feel small and insignificant.
It's very possible.
In fact, I kinda hope evil Aliens attack, so the human race will learn to love and work with each other.
Well, that would be nice. flower;
Did they make any references to aliens in the bible?
Quote from: some_person on June 15, 2007, 02:59:59 PM
Did they make any references to aliens in the bible?
not sure.
Quote from: some_person on June 15, 2007, 02:59:59 PM
Did they make any references to aliens in the bible?
The Nephilim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim).
They're fallen angels, but still. Their home wasn't here, and now it is/was.
They probably micro-evolved into the Alien Greys, Reptilians and others that live in our caves and sewers today.
Also, it's said that the "golden chariot" that swooped out Elijah was a sort of UFO.
Quote from: Phydeaux on June 16, 2007, 01:41:35 PM
Quote from: some_person on June 15, 2007, 02:59:59 PM
Did they make any references to aliens in the bible?
The Nephilim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim).
They're fallen angels, but still. Their home wasn't here, and now it is/was.
They probably micro-evolved into the Alien Greys, Reptilians and others that live in our caves and sewers today.
Also, it's said that the "golden chariot" that swooped out Elijah was a sort of UFO.
Also, the Raelians believe that the Elohim referred to in the Hebrew texts are actually aliens.
Quote from: JMV290 on June 16, 2007, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: Phydeaux on June 16, 2007, 01:41:35 PM
Quote from: some_person on June 15, 2007, 02:59:59 PM
Did they make any references to aliens in the bible?
The Nephilim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim).
They're fallen angels, but still. Their home wasn't here, and now it is/was.
They probably micro-evolved into the Alien Greys, Reptilians and others that live in our caves and sewers today.
Also, it's said that the "golden chariot" that swooped out Elijah was a sort of UFO.
Also, the Raelians believe that the Elohim referred to in the Hebrew texts are actually aliens.
Cite that, please.
Quote from: Phydeaux on June 16, 2007, 01:41:35 PM
Quote from: some_person on June 15, 2007, 02:59:59 PM
Did they make any references to aliens in the bible?
The Nephilim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim).
They're fallen angels, but still. Their home wasn't here, and now it is/was.
They probably micro-evolved into the Alien Greys, Reptilians and others that live in our caves and sewers today.
Also, it's said that the "golden chariot" that swooped out Elijah was a sort of UFO.
Just to clarify (you had it a bit mixed up). The Nephilim were the offspring of fallen angels and women. They were not the fallen angels. But yes, some believe that that might tie into extraterrestrial life.
Here's the thing though. There is life outside of earth because there is a heaven and there is a hell (this is all only relevant if you are a Christian), there are angels and demons. There other life forms besides us. The question is how it all works and stuff. All the stuff with angels and demons and stuff is all dealing with the spiritual realm. Whether they are all on some distant planet or the spiritual realm and physical realm overlap and angels and demons can dwell among us is another thing. (Angels and demons DO dwell among us if you are following Biblical beliefs). Anyways, I am not saying this is fact. I am barely saying this is a theory; I am just throwing some stuff out to think about.
They talk about angles and demons in the bible so i supose there could be. at least i believe there are
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 09:16:12 PM
They talk about angles...in the bible...
all measurements in radians
I think aliens could exist, and they probably do. Our universe is incomprehensibly large, what are the chances that our planet is the only one with life on it?
Quote from: NINTENDUDE312 on November 13, 2007, 12:59:03 PM
I think aliens could exist, and they probably do. Our universe is incomprehensibly large, what are the chances that our planet is the only one with life on it?
That's true, but from the very little amount of the bible that I know about is centered on planet Earth.
Personally, no I don't believe in Aliens.
Quote from: some_person on November 13, 2007, 06:49:40 PM
Any reason why?
I dunno, I am a Christian, but I don't think my non-belief in aliens is because of that.
It just doesn't seem right to me. If it were proven to me that Aliens existed, I wouldn't try to deny it or anything.
Quote from: Kingoftherings on November 14, 2007, 02:57:28 PM
I dunno, I am a Christian, but I don't think my non-belief in aliens is because of that.
It just doesn't seem right to me. If it were proven to me that Aliens existed, I wouldn't try to deny it or anything.
So I guess it doesn't seem right to you that WE exist?
Because we are aliens to the ones we call aliens.
Honestly, if we are here, how is it so impossible to believe that there are simply others on different planets out there? All thinking the same thing.
What confuses the shit out of me is why we keep looking for water and air as signs of life. If the lifeforms are alien, why would they necessarily have to have the same things to sustain life?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 14, 2007, 03:24:58 PM
What confuses the shit out of me is why we keep looking for water and air as signs of life. If the lifeforms are alien, why would they necessarily have to have the same things to sustain life?
Because scientists are narrow-minded
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 14, 2007, 03:24:58 PM
What confuses the shit out of me is why we keep looking for water and air as signs of life. If the lifeforms are alien, why would they necessarily have to have the same things to sustain life?
Yeah, I never understood that either. They could live off of the dirt if they're built for it, not everything necessarily has to be made like the humans and animals on this planet.
Quote from: Kingoftherings on November 14, 2007, 02:57:28 PM
I dunno, I am a Christian, but I don't think my non-belief in aliens is because of that.
It just doesn't seem right to me. If it were proven to me that Aliens existed, I wouldn't try to deny it or anything.
o hi here is a post i made on fake nsidershitz
Quote... I find it highly likely that there is at least one other advanced civilization in the galaxy. There are 200-400 billion stars in our Galaxy. If we take the lower estimate of 200 billion, that still means that only 5.0 ? 10-10% of the stars in the Galaxy have life. Considering that there are two other places in our own solar system that scientists believe are able to, or once were able to, sustain life(Europa and Mars) I find it impossible to believe that we are the only ones in our own galaxy.
And although I know you didn't say it, I find it stupid that anyone would try to believe that earth is the only place in the universe with life. There are about 125 Billion Galaxies(the actual known number now my be higher, I can only find an estimate from 1999). Even if I give a generous estimate and say that the milky way is twice as big as the average, and the average size is really 100 billion stars, and I say that the estimate of 125 billion is wrong, and say that there are 100 billion galaxies(both numbers lower than what scientists say), claiming that Earth is alone with life means that you have a 1.0 ? 10-20% chance of that.
.00000000000000000001% of stars have life? That's insane, of course there are other planets with some form of life.
Also, remember the numbers I used were LOWER than what scientists say, and they are only using the VISIBLE universe. We have no idea how old the universe is since we can only see a few billion light years of the universe.
You can also just go with the simple proof:
EARTH
It's all freaking around you, life. OMG there is life here in the universe, so why the hell can't there be life anywhere else?
Quote from: Super Mario Galaxy on November 14, 2007, 04:21:51 PM
You can also just go with the simple proof:
EARTH
It's all freaking around you, life. OMG there is life here in the universe, so why the hell can't there be life anywhere else?
Because you can't prove it exists. You can only prove yourself
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 14, 2007, 04:25:09 PM
Because you can't prove it exists. You can only prove yourself
lawlz is that you
Quote from: JMV290 on November 14, 2007, 04:40:21 PM
lawlz is that you
No, this is Descartes speaking can I take a message?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 14, 2007, 04:25:09 PM
Because you can't prove it exists. You can only prove yourself
That's so dumb
Have you ever seen the center of the earth? No.
Does that automatically mean it doesn't exist until we see it?
Quote from: Super Mario Galaxy on November 14, 2007, 05:02:30 PM
That's so dumb
Have you ever seen the center of the earth? No.
Does that automatically mean it doesn't exist until we see it?
Seeing things doesn't prove they exist either.
Your senses could be deceiving you as to what reality really is.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 14, 2007, 05:06:47 PM
Your senses could be deceiving you as to what reality really is.
what is reality
Uh... I'm not Christian >_>
Anyway, my thoughts are that there probably are non-Earthly life forms elsewhere in the Universe somewhere, that such life forms being intelligent as humans or more is very unlikely, and that no aliens have visited Earth.
My mother is somewhat Christian (believes in God, goes to church on Easter and Christmas, but is partially agnostic) and I'm fairly sure that she has the same opinion on aliens. I know for sure that she at least believes that they do exist.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 14, 2007, 05:35:26 PM
what is reality
What exists regardless of one's own perceptions
Quote from: bluaki on November 14, 2007, 05:44:19 PM
Uh... I'm not Christian >_>
Anyway, my thoughts are that there probably are non-Earthly life forms elsewhere in the Universe somewhere, that such life forms being intelligent as humans or more is very unlikely, and that no aliens have visited Earth.
My mother is somewhat Christian (believes in God, goes to church on Easter and Christmas, but is partially agnostic) and I'm fairly sure that she has the same opinion on aliens. I know for sure that she at least believes that they do exist.
Why? For all you know intelligence could continue on infinitely in both directions, considering how much space there is for how many living things to exist.
Everything could be infinite.
Quote from: bluaki on November 14, 2007, 05:44:19 PM
Uh... I'm not Christian >_>
Uh... The question was directed to the Christians of Boyah >_>
Quote from: bluaki on November 14, 2007, 05:44:19 PM
Anyway, my thoughts are that there probably are non-Earthly life forms elsewhere in the Universe somewhere, that such life forms being intelligent as humans or more is very unlikely, and that no aliens have visited Earth.
My mother is somewhat Christian (believes in God, goes to church on Easter and Christmas, but is partially agnostic) and I'm fairly sure that she has the same opinion on aliens. I know for sure that she at least believes that they do exist.
That's true.
What does the question really have to do with Christianity?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 14, 2007, 07:28:25 PM
What does the question really have to do with Christianity?
Apparently there is mention of extra-terrestrial life in the bible.
Quote from: some_person on November 14, 2007, 07:32:38 PM
Apparently there is mention of extra-terrestrial life in the bible.
or that most christians assume "god created man...animals...plants...penis" means anything on another planet can't be considered an animal or a plant
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 14, 2007, 05:54:45 PM
What exists regardless of one's own perceptions
so basically there's no way to know what reality is?
that's nice
Well there is a reality our minds just interpet it a certain way
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 15, 2007, 01:06:29 PM
so basically there's no way to know what reality is?
that's nice
Apparently...
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 15, 2007, 01:06:29 PM
so basically there's no way to know what reality is?
that's nice
There's also mental disorders that mess up one perception of reality. Speaking of which, I find real reality to a be a place where I can use my senses and feel awake at the same time (among other feeling).
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 15, 2007, 03:07:01 PM
Apparently...
so then for one to claim that another's perception of reality is bunk would be completely ridiculous? cool
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 15, 2007, 04:08:58 PM
so then for one to claim that another's perception of reality is bunk would be completely ridiculous? cool
Apparently.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 15, 2007, 04:21:04 PM
then shut up
You do realize these aren't my actual views right?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 15, 2007, 04:23:07 PM
You do realize these aren't my actual views right?
you're not listening
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 15, 2007, 04:25:27 PM
you're not listening
you're too stupid to realize that your own senses are the only things telling you that I'm posting, so if you want me to shut up you should have a firmer grasp on your version of reality
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 15, 2007, 04:31:44 PM
you're too stupid to realize that your own senses are the only things telling you that I'm posting, so if you want me to shut up you should have a firmer grasp on your version of reality
i'm sorry but you don't exist
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 15, 2007, 05:21:56 PM
i'm sorry but you don't exist
then stop fighting with your subconcious
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 15, 2007, 05:21:56 PM
i'm sorry but you don't exist
If that's the case, neither do you, or any of the posts we made. Fuck, BOYAH doesn't exist.
I figure that there is probably some form of life out there. I see no reason why there shouldn't be. Who knows what it looks like though, if looks something like us or is completely different.
<-- Catholic
I'm not sure if they're real or not. I don't see any conflict with religion.
Imo, a big chunk of Christianity isn't real anyways.