sonic adventure 2
holy fuck what a disaster. that camera. that voice acting. those controls.
final fantasy xiii
final fantasy xiii-2
sonic generations
how delusional sega fans could even pretend to enjoy sonic adventure 2 is beyond me
lol i was just talking to john about how i should get sonic adventure just for the sake of having it and randomly wanting to play a 3d sonic
of course, i'm talking about the first game. not that it's particularly good either. goowan
Quote from: Pancake Persona on December 30, 2012, 07:34:24 PM
sonic adventure 2
holy fuck what a disaster. that camera. that voice acting. those controls.
Yeeeaaaaah... I had really great memories of this game, but tried to play it again a few months ago. Doesn't hold up at all.
i bought it when it was on sale on the ps store and played it again a few days ago
i confirm it's p. horribad
Quote from: Snowy on December 30, 2012, 08:44:52 PM
Blade Kitten was pretty bad.
Quote from: Tectite on December 30, 2012, 07:45:19 PM
how delusional sega fans could even pretend to enjoy sonic adventure 2 is beyond me
I really liked Sonic Adventure 2 :(
Me too, mostly the chao garden.
have you played sa2 is the past five years
because if not, then that explains why you still think it's good
Quote from: Pancake Persona on December 30, 2012, 09:43:38 PM
have you played sa2 is the past five years
because if not, then that explains why you still think it's good
oh wow. great reasoning. video games got better so sonic adventures 2 automatically became bad psyduck;
Quote from: [23]crossdressers on December 30, 2012, 10:09:20 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on December 30, 2012, 09:43:38 PM
have you played sa2 is the past five years
because if not, then that explains why you still think it's good
oh wow. great reasoning. video games got better so sonic adventures 2 automatically became bad psyduck;
no, video games got worse
kids tend to like basically everything they play and most people played sa2 as a kid
does kingdom hearts count as a bad game as well?
i still love it so...
odin sphere is also p. bad from what i've played of it...............
Quote from: Thyme on December 30, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
odin sphere is also p. bad from what i've played of it...............
I was very disappointed in that game awdood;
Quote from: Thyme on December 30, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
odin sphere is also p. bad from what i've played of it...............
i hated it
but muramasa was pretty good although repetitive
final fantasy vii is a bad/overrated game
Quote from: Rain Man on January 01, 2013, 01:59:39 PM
final fantasy vii is a bad/overrated game
agreed
the whole reason square enix refuses to remake it is that their fanbase of nostalgia whores would realize this and then they'd be left with nothing to sell their newer games on tomates;
overrated
and outdated
but not bad baddood;
Quote from: Thyme on January 01, 2013, 02:34:23 PM
overrated
and outdated
but not bad baddood;
this
yes it's ass-ugly compared to even the final fantasies on the same console that came out after it, yes it's massively overrated, however i still think it's a genuinely great game. it's one of my favorites in the series.
the only reason felt even dislikes it is because it doesn't play like xiii.
disregarding the tec troll post entirely. n_u
Quote from: Tectite on January 01, 2013, 02:31:30 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 01, 2013, 01:59:39 PM
final fantasy vii is a bad/overrated game
agreed
the whole reason square enix refuses to remake it is that their fanbase of nostalgia whores would realize this and then they'd be left with nothing to sell their newer games on tomates;
tomates; tomatoes;
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
disregarding the tec troll post entirely. n_u
including the upcoming one where he says the entire genre is outdated ifeelbetter;
[spoiler]also including the one where he replies to this post saying "it's true srsly"[/spoiler]
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
Quote from: Thyme on January 01, 2013, 02:34:23 PM
overrated
and outdated
but not bad baddood;
this
yes it's ass-ugly compared to even the final fantasies on the same console that came out after it, yes it's massively overrated, however i still think it's a genuinely great game. it's one of my favorites in the series.
the only reason felt even dislikes it is because it doesn't play like xiii.
disregarding the tec troll post entirely. n_u
i wasn't necessarily saying ffvii was a bad game. i'm just going by lawlz's logic that SA2 is a bad game for pretty much the same reason.
Quote from: Rain Man on January 01, 2013, 03:10:40 PM
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
Quote from: Thyme on January 01, 2013, 02:34:23 PM
overrated
and outdated
but not bad baddood;
this
yes it's ass-ugly compared to even the final fantasies on the same console that came out after it, yes it's massively overrated, however i still think it's a genuinely great game. it's one of my favorites in the series.
the only reason felt even dislikes it is because it doesn't play like xiii.
disregarding the tec troll post entirely. n_u
i wasn't necessarily saying ffvii was a bad game. i'm just going by lawlz's logic that SA2 is a bad game for pretty much the same reason.
i'm saying people only liked sa2 because they were kids, not because it was made retroactively bad by modern games.
if you'd never been exposed to it and played it today, you'd say sa2 is shit.
if you'd never played a good 32-bit rpg and played it today, it's probably even better than most rpgs you'd play from this gen
deus ex is graphically dated and the voice acting is embarrassing compared to what you'd hear today, but when i first beat it around 2 years ago i had no real complaints because it's still a great game.
hell, 3d platformers that preceded sonic adventure were better in every way. banjo kazooie holds up great and even super mario 64 was more refined
Quote from: Tectite on January 01, 2013, 02:31:30 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 01, 2013, 01:59:39 PM
final fantasy vii is a bad/overrated game
agreed
the whole reason square enix refuses to remake it is that their fanbase of nostalgia whores would realize this and then they'd be left with nothing to sell their newer games on tomates;
if truly remaking ffvii would put fans of it off, why have none of the mostly horrid spin-offs related to managed to do so?
i think square's more worried about completely screwing up their remake attempt
fans still remember when square wasn't that bad, and they haven't done too much to ruin their old works, so fans like thinking that someday things will get better. when companies try a hollywood reboot on games we know and love (e.g. new dmc) then fans just give up
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 01, 2013, 03:57:33 PM
i think square's more worried about completely screwing up their remake attempt
yeah that's generally what i think as well
in addition, they seem to be preoccupied trying to convince everyone to buy into the xiii sub-series because apparently it needs to have five billion games
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 04:13:14 PM
in addition, they seem to be preoccupied trying to convince everyone to buy into the xiii sub-series because apparently it needs to have five billion games
and to think, final fantasy versus xiii-2 and noctis returns haven't even been announced yet tomatoes;
2010 interview, however, Final Fantasy XIII director Motomu Toriyama stated, "If we had the manpower and the time to work on a project, if we were to remake Final Fantasy VII with the quality of Final Fantasy XIII it would become a tremendous project. If we can get the number of people we need by all means that would be the one I would really want to remake."
r, in June 2012, the company announced that "[we] will only consider this once a brand new game in the franchise exceeds the quality of that found in FF7."
wellp looks like never
"remake FFVII with the quality of XIII"
i really hope they're only talking about the visuals
Quote from: Thyme on January 01, 2013, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
disregarding the tec troll post entirely. n_u
including the upcoming one where he says the entire genre is outdated ifeelbetter;
[spoiler]also including the one where he replies to this post saying "it's true srsly"[/spoiler]
but even you agree to this :|
Quote from: Pancake Persona on December 31, 2012, 09:55:14 AM
Quote from: Thyme on December 30, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
odin sphere is also p. bad from what i've played of it...............
i hated it
but muramasa was pretty good although repetitive
Awwww really!? I got Odin Sphere earlier last year and have been waiting for some time to play it. I was really excited because I thought it would have colorful art just like Baten Kaitos.
Also I started playing Dot. Hack: Infection for about 5 hours and I like the story so far. I forget what Muramasa was.
ive tried playing ff7 twice and just can't do it. the writing is just so awful. all the dialogue seems like it came from a 14 year old's diary.
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Quote from: Thyme on December 30, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
odin sphere is also p. bad from what i've played of it...............
i hated it
but muramasa was pretty good although repetitive
Awwww really!? I got Odin Sphere earlier last year and have been waiting for some time to play it. I was really excited because I thought it would have colorful art just like Baten Kaitos.
Also I started playing Dot. Hack: Infection for about 5 hours and I like the story so far. I forget what Muramasa was.
i hated odin sphere due to the weak combat, the plant growing ( goonish ), and the sloooooooowness of it all
(http://i.imgur.com/g3KGo.jpg)
sonic adventure was never good
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
"remake FFVII with the quality of XIII"
i really hope they're only talking about the visuals
probably. but it would be interesting to see ff7 remade incorporating xiii's battle system.
id like to see that.
in addition, im really tired of hearing that xiii is a bad game. its really not.
bad story, sure, but not a bad game. and xiii-2 improves the gameplay, though the story does get worse.
im actually looking forward to Lightning Returns.
not saying im happy that square is riding the xiii name into the ground, but look forward to playing it nonetheless.
ive played to games in xiii already... might as well finish it.
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 03, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
"remake FFVII with the quality of XIII"
i really hope they're only talking about the visuals
probably. but it would be interesting to see ff7 remade incorporating xiii's battle system.
id like to see that
i wouldn't goowan
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 03, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
"remake FFVII with the quality of XIII"
i really hope they're only talking about the visuals
probably. but it would be interesting to see ff7 remade incorporating xiii's battle system.
id like to see that.
in addition, im really tired of hearing that xiii is a bad game. its really not.
bad story, sure, but not a bad game. and xiii-2 improves the gameplay, though the story does get worse.
im actually looking forward to Lightning Returns.
not saying im happy that square is riding the xiii name into the ground, but look forward to playing it nonetheless.
ive played to games in xiii already... might as well finish it.
i dislike ffvii's battle system but i don't see how it could be feasible given that materia is part of the story of ffvii, while paradigms seem completely arbitrary in the story of ffxiii
Quote from: Rain Man on January 03, 2013, 04:27:07 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 03, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
"remake FFVII with the quality of XIII"
i really hope they're only talking about the visuals
probably. but it would be interesting to see ff7 remade incorporating xiii's battle system.
id like to see that.
in addition, im really tired of hearing that xiii is a bad game. its really not.
bad story, sure, but not a bad game. and xiii-2 improves the gameplay, though the story does get worse.
im actually looking forward to Lightning Returns.
not saying im happy that square is riding the xiii name into the ground, but look forward to playing it nonetheless.
ive played to games in xiii already... might as well finish it.
i dislike ffvii's battle system
felt stop
Quote from: May on January 03, 2013, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 03, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
"remake FFVII with the quality of XIII"
i really hope they're only talking about the visuals
probably. but it would be interesting to see ff7 remade incorporating xiii's battle system.
id like to see that
i wouldn't goowan
yeah i agree, using versus xiii's battle system would be better
Quote from: Dovydas on January 03, 2013, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: May on January 03, 2013, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 03, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
"remake FFVII with the quality of XIII"
i really hope they're only talking about the visuals
probably. but it would be interesting to see ff7 remade incorporating xiii's battle system.
id like to see that
i wouldn't goowan
yeah i agree, using versus xiii's battle system would be better
by extension, kingdom hearts' battle system
Quote from: Rain Man on January 03, 2013, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: Dovydas on January 03, 2013, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: May on January 03, 2013, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 03, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
"remake FFVII with the quality of XIII"
i really hope they're only talking about the visuals
probably. but it would be interesting to see ff7 remade incorporating xiii's battle system.
id like to see that
i wouldn't goowan
yeah i agree, using versus xiii's battle system would be better
by extension, kingdom hearts' battle system
dude, if you're going for shit, go all the way. quest 64's battle system.
QuoteQuest 64 received moderately negative reviews upon release, though it later become a cult classic for select Nintendo 64 fans
man, n64 fans really are desperate to like any game they can goowan
baten kaitos' ifeelbetter;
metacritic gamerankings (http://www.gamerankings.com/n64/198386-quest-64/index.html) begs to differ ifeelbetter;
I played Sonic Adventure Battle 2 recently and still think it's okay... as long as I don't play the Tails/Rouge/Knuckles/Dr. Robotnik levels
Quote from: Snowy on January 03, 2013, 05:50:41 PM
Quote from: May on January 03, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 03, 2013, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: Dovydas on January 03, 2013, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: May on January 03, 2013, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 03, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
"remake FFVII with the quality of XIII"
i really hope they're only talking about the visuals
probably. but it would be interesting to see ff7 remade incorporating xiii's battle system.
id like to see that
i wouldn't goowan
yeah i agree, using versus xiii's battle system would be better
by extension, kingdom hearts' battle system
dude, if you're going for shit, go all the way. quest 64's battle system.
Quest 64 wasn't that bad.
I would always start playing for like half an hour only to realize why I never got past that
Paper Mario: Sticker Star :'(
Quote from: Thyme on January 03, 2013, 05:26:28 PM
baten kaitos' ifeelbetter;
lies. that battle system is original and fun. The music is okay, mira's theme is awesome. voice acting is shit, but watever. The story has one really good twist, but after that it kinda goes dead.
But the art in that game is better than some games of this gen.
although a few towns in Mira are retarded, the picture book place and the confectionary town.
Quote from: May on January 03, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 03, 2013, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: Dovydas on January 03, 2013, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: May on January 03, 2013, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 03, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: May on January 01, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
"remake FFVII with the quality of XIII"
i really hope they're only talking about the visuals
probably. but it would be interesting to see ff7 remade incorporating xiii's battle system.
id like to see that
i wouldn't goowan
yeah i agree, using versus xiii's battle system would be better
by extension, kingdom hearts' battle system
dude, if you're going for shit, go all the way. quest 64's battle system.
quest 64, not that bad.
and when i said use ff xiii's battle system for a remake of 7, i didnt mean cut and paste, just the basic build of it.... you know, queing attacks and such.
i like xiii's atb system though
Quote from: Rain Man on January 07, 2013, 04:39:01 PM
i like xiii's atb system though
gee we hadn't gathered that at all
What does Felt like about FFXIII again
The first step to ruining any remake of FFVII would be to change the battle system. I'm sorry but some of us like turned based RPG's.
Catherine
No More Heroes
Quote from: Dovydas on January 08, 2013, 07:21:23 AM
What does Felt like about FFXIII again
the battle system pretty much
that's it
I don't dislike ffxiii, though I don't really like playing as most of the characters
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on January 08, 2013, 11:44:19 AM
I don't dislike ffxiii, though I don't really like playing as most of the characters
agreed
forcing you to play as certain characters for 2/3 of the game is stupid
agreed
thank goodness they've whittled it down to lightning alone for xiii-3
Quote from: Tectite on January 08, 2013, 12:31:42 PM
agreed
thank goodness they've whittled it down to lightning alone for xiii-3
tec, you still have to play ffxiii and ffxiii-2 to understand the story of lightning returns: final fantasy xiii
no matter how badly convoluted their stories are
Now that I have some extra money I should go pick up xiii-2 before it disappears
Quote from: Snowy on January 08, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Quote from: Tectite on January 08, 2013, 12:31:42 PM
agreed
thank goodness they've whittled it down to lightning alone for xiii-3
tec, you still have to play ffxiii and ffxiii-2 to understand the story of lightning returns: final fantasy xiii
no matter how badly convoluted their stories are
what story
there is no story
serah meets fal'cie. fal'cie turns her into a l'cie. serah tries to break up with snow, her boyfriend, because she is a l'cie. snow then plots to go to the fal'cie. meanwhile her sister, lightning, finds out and also goes to the fal'cie. other people are dragged along and marked l'cie. l'cie l'cie l'cie fal'cie
From what I've payed so far it has a typical anime angst story
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 12:47:22 PM
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Quote from: Tectite on January 08, 2013, 12:31:42 PM
agreed
thank goodness they've whittled it down to lightning alone for xiii-3
tec, you still have to play ffxiii and ffxiii-2 to understand the story of lightning returns: final fantasy xiii
no matter how badly convoluted their stories are
what story
there is no story
serah meets fal'cie. fal'cie turns her into a l'cie. serah tries to break up with snow, her boyfriend, because she is a l'cie. snow then plots to go to the fal'cie. meanwhile her sister, lightning, finds out and also goes to the fal'cie. other people are dragged along and marked l'cie. l'cie l'cie l'cie fal'cie
[spoiler=and then they got ice cream][/spoiler]
makes more sense than 12
Quote from: Tectite on January 08, 2013, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 12:47:22 PM
Quote from: Snowy on January 08, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Quote from: Tectite on January 08, 2013, 12:31:42 PM
agreed
thank goodness they've whittled it down to lightning alone for xiii-3
tec, you still have to play ffxiii and ffxiii-2 to understand the story of lightning returns: final fantasy xiii
no matter how badly convoluted their stories are
what story
there is no story
serah meets fal'cie. fal'cie turns her into a l'cie. serah tries to break up with snow, her boyfriend, because she is a l'cie. snow then plots to go to the fal'cie. meanwhile her sister, lightning, finds out and also goes to the fal'cie. other people are dragged along and marked l'cie. l'cie l'cie l'cie fal'cie
[spoiler=and then they got ice cream][/spoiler]
that's kingdom hearts ii tec
Quote from: Master Shake on January 08, 2013, 08:02:20 AM
The first step to ruining any remake of FFVII would be to change the battle system. I'm sorry but some of us like turned based RPG's.
xiii
i is turn based.
anyone who says otherwise hasnt played it.
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on January 08, 2013, 11:44:19 AM
I don't dislike ffxiii, though I don't really like playing as most of the characters
agreed
forcing you to play as certain characters for 2/3 of the game is stupid
so..... FF4 is stupid too?
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on January 08, 2013, 11:44:19 AM
I don't dislike ffxiii, though I don't really like playing as most of the characters
agreed
forcing you to play as certain characters for 2/3 of the game is stupid
so..... FF4 is stupid too?
for the time period ffxiii exists in, with open-world gameplay being an expectation, yes i'd say xiii is stupid
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on January 08, 2013, 11:44:19 AM
I don't dislike ffxiii, though I don't really like playing as most of the characters
agreed
forcing you to play as certain characters for 2/3 of the game is stupid
so..... FF4 is stupid too?
for the time period ffxiii exists in, with open-world gameplay being an expectation, yes i'd say xiii is stupid
i asked about 4.
and thats not really a good reason.
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: Master Shake on January 08, 2013, 08:02:20 AM
The first step to ruining any remake of FFVII would be to change the battle system. I'm sorry but some of us like turned based RPG's.
xiii
i is turn based.
anyone who says otherwise hasnt played it.
vii is arguably not a traditional turn-based jrpg either because vii and xiii run on versions of the ATB system, though in vii there is a wait mode option
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:44:12 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on January 08, 2013, 11:44:19 AM
I don't dislike ffxiii, though I don't really like playing as most of the characters
agreed
forcing you to play as certain characters for 2/3 of the game is stupid
so..... FF4 is stupid too?
for the time period ffxiii exists in, with open-world gameplay being an expectation, yes i'd say xiii is stupid
i asked about 4.
and thats not really a good reason.
i'm using the local definition of a 'bad game' based on the OP made by Lawlz, by the way sillydood;
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: Master Shake on January 08, 2013, 08:02:20 AM
The first step to ruining any remake of FFVII would be to change the battle system. I'm sorry but some of us like turned based RPG's.
xiii
i is turn based.
anyone who says otherwise hasnt played it.
vii is arguably not a traditional turn-based jrpg either because vii and xiii run on versions of the ATB system, though in vii there is a wait mode option
wait mode or not, they are still turn based.
not trying to argue to be mean or anything, but xiii gets a lot of unneccesary hate because people expected WAY too much out of it. just because it didnt deliver everything they expected doesnt make it a bad game, just a bit of a disappointment.
I dont think the game is like, 10/10 or anything, but i defintely enjoyed my time with it and its sequel
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 01:46:22 PM
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Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on January 08, 2013, 11:44:19 AM
I don't dislike ffxiii, though I don't really like playing as most of the characters
agreed
forcing you to play as certain characters for 2/3 of the game is stupid
so..... FF4 is stupid too?
for the time period ffxiii exists in, with open-world gameplay being an expectation, yes i'd say xiii is stupid
i asked about 4.
and thats not really a good reason.
i'm using the local definition of a 'bad game' based on the OP made by Lawlz, by the way sillydood;
fuck that.
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 01:46:22 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:44:12 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on January 08, 2013, 11:44:19 AM
I don't dislike ffxiii, though I don't really like playing as most of the characters
agreed
forcing you to play as certain characters for 2/3 of the game is stupid
so..... FF4 is stupid too?
for the time period ffxiii exists in, with open-world gameplay being an expectation, yes i'd say xiii is stupid
i asked about 4.
and thats not really a good reason.
i'm using the local definition of a 'bad game' based on the OP made by Lawlz, by the way sillydood;
if we're going by lawlz's standards, then every game is a "bad game"
i wouldn't have to play ffxiii and ffxiii-2 to know the story
spoony is telling me it giggle;
Quote from: Thyme on January 08, 2013, 01:54:35 PM
i wouldn't have to play ffxiii and ffxiii-2 to know the story
spoony is telling me it giggle;
im sorry
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: Thyme on January 08, 2013, 01:54:35 PM
i wouldn't have to play ffxiii and ffxiii-2 to know the story
spoony is telling me it giggle;
im sorry
are you using the local definition of a 'bad internet '''celebrity''''
Quote from: Thyme on January 08, 2013, 01:54:35 PM
i wouldn't have to play ffxiii and ffxiii-2 to know the story
spoony is telling me it giggle;
it's a very faithful adaptation too
spoony is a piece of shit
there is no story for xiii
it's a bunch of vaguely connected ideas thrown at the corner of a room where the pile up and oops none of it makes sense
Quote from: Rain Man on January 08, 2013, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: Master Shake on January 08, 2013, 08:02:20 AM
The first step to ruining any remake of FFVII would be to change the battle system. I'm sorry but some of us like turned based RPG's.
xiii
i is turn based.
anyone who says otherwise hasnt played it.
vii is arguably not a traditional turn-based jrpg either because vii and xiii run on versions of the ATB system, though in vii there is a wait mode option
4-6 use the same
9 does as well
Quote from: May on January 08, 2013, 02:08:53 PM
there is no story for xiii
it's a bunch of vaguely connected ideas thrown at the corner of a room where the pile up and oops none of it makes sense
oh come on...
there's obviously a story, just told really bad to where it makes no sense.
the problem is you have to read the synopsis for it to make any kind of sense.
that, and the story is more about the characters anyway, not the world around them.
Like I said, anime
*rimshot*
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on January 08, 2013, 02:18:25 PM
Like I said, anime
*rimshot*
agreed
And based on the datalogs in XIII that no one reads, they planned XIII-2 from the start
Quote from: May on January 08, 2013, 02:10:27 PM
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Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: Master Shake on January 08, 2013, 08:02:20 AM
The first step to ruining any remake of FFVII would be to change the battle system. I'm sorry but some of us like turned based RPG's.
xiii
i is turn based.
anyone who says otherwise hasnt played it.
vii is arguably not a traditional turn-based jrpg either because vii and xiii run on versions of the ATB system, though in vii there is a wait mode option
4-6 use the same
9 does as well
what about eight or is discussion about that forbidden as well
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: May on January 08, 2013, 02:08:53 PM
there is no story for xiii
it's a bunch of vaguely connected ideas thrown at the corner of a room where the pile up and oops none of it makes sense
oh come on...
there's obviously a story, just told really bad to where it makes no sense.
the problem is you have to read the synopsis for it to make any kind of sense.
that, and the story is more about the characters anyway, not the world around them.
well if the story is about the characters, then it's the barest of the bare bones of character development
lightning goes from being stoic and lifeless to being still stoic but nicer and "accepting" of snow. it's like a "grumpy dad finally lets daughter marry the love of her life" movie. also, she has some weird mother-ish tendencies that develop for hope, but they're really vague and completely dropped once the whole gang reunites.
hope goes from having it out for snow to...being a really generic overly hopeful jrpg protagonist. not that there's anything entirely wrong with this, but he's not the main character and he himself doesn't overcome any odds that make this optimism worthwhile: in the end, fang and vanille still sacrifice themselves anyway. tbh, i have no idea what the gang was trying to achieve by fighting orphan because the focus was still fulfilled anyway???
vanille has no personality and no development ever
neither does fang??? these two characters are just sort of "there" most of the time. they have a history that comes up and a big "mystery" surrounding them and they end up dying to save the world in the end but that's about all we know??
sazh and snow have reasons and things to fight for and all but only snow's is really delved into a lot - sazh's thing with his son is really only part of like one chapter of the game and then he's just sort of there
i really don't think any of these characters ever develop much...to say that the story is more about them is
fine i guess, but that's still really stretching it and there's not a whole lot there to go on. you could just say it's an archetypal story of people overcoming their "destinies" and choosing their own ways to live life, but that's just a
summary - and one that applies to an awful lot of jrpgs with better stories, too.
i don't think ffxiii is garbage or anything, it was fun and there's nothing about it i totally hate or anything. but not even i can call its story good. it's not just the way it's told - there's not very much there to tell to begin with. but a big part of it is the way it's told, yes. in that it isn't told. except in boring-ass summaries while the chapters are loading.
nvr played 8
i haven't really played 8 so that's why i didn't include it when i said that
Quote from: May on January 08, 2013, 02:28:50 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: May on January 08, 2013, 02:08:53 PM
there is no story for xiii
it's a bunch of vaguely connected ideas thrown at the corner of a room where the pile up and oops none of it makes sense
oh come on...
there's obviously a story, just told really bad to where it makes no sense.
the problem is you have to read the synopsis for it to make any kind of sense.
that, and the story is more about the characters anyway, not the world around them.
well if the story is about the characters, then it's the barest of the bare bones of character development
lightning goes from being stoic and lifeless to being still stoic but nicer and "accepting" of snow. it's like a "grumpy dad finally lets daughter marry the love of her life" movie. also, she has some weird mother-ish tendencies that develop for hope, but they're really vague and completely dropped once the whole gang reunites.
hope goes from having it out for snow to...being a really generic overly hopeful jrpg protagonist. not that there's anything entirely wrong with this, but he's not the main character and he himself doesn't overcome any odds that make this optimism worthwhile: in the end, fang and vanille still sacrifice themselves anyway. tbh, i have no idea what the gang was trying to achieve by fighting orphan because the focus was still fulfilled anyway???
vanille has no personality and no development ever
neither does fang??? these two characters are just sort of "there" most of the time. they have a history that comes up and a big "mystery" surrounding them and they end up dying to save the world in the end but that's about all we know??
sazh and snow have reasons and things to fight for and all but only snow's is really delved into a lot - sazh's thing with his son is really only part of like one chapter of the game and then he's just sort of there
i really don't think any of these characters ever develop much...to say that the story is more about them is fine i guess, but that's still really stretching it and there's not a whole lot there to go on. you could just say it's an archetypal story of people overcoming their "destinies" and choosing their own ways to live life, but that's just a summary - and one that applies to an awful lot of jrpgs with better stories, too.
i don't think ffxiii is garbage or anything, it was fun and there's nothing about it i totally hate or anything. but not even i can call its story good. it's not just the way it's told - there's not very much there to tell to begin with. but a big part of it is the way it's told, yes. in that it isn't told. except in boring-ass summaries while the chapters are loading.
split their focus too much
the series is really basically about how humans are tools for the fal'cie (the illuminati in this game)'s plan from the very beginning, just like how fans of final fantasy xiii are forced to buy every installment
Quote from: May on January 08, 2013, 02:28:50 PM
Quote from: Lunchbox on January 08, 2013, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: May on January 08, 2013, 02:08:53 PM
there is no story for xiii
it's a bunch of vaguely connected ideas thrown at the corner of a room where the pile up and oops none of it makes sense
oh come on...
there's obviously a story, just told really bad to where it makes no sense.
the problem is you have to read the synopsis for it to make any kind of sense.
that, and the story is more about the characters anyway, not the world around them.
well if the story is about the characters, then it's the barest of the bare bones of character development
lightning goes from being stoic and lifeless to being still stoic but nicer and "accepting" of snow. it's like a "grumpy dad finally lets daughter marry the love of her life" movie. also, she has some weird mother-ish tendencies that develop for hope, but they're really vague and completely dropped once the whole gang reunites.
hope goes from having it out for snow to...being a really generic overly hopeful jrpg protagonist. not that there's anything entirely wrong with this, but he's not the main character and he himself doesn't overcome any odds that make this optimism worthwhile: in the end, fang and vanille still sacrifice themselves anyway. tbh, i have no idea what the gang was trying to achieve by fighting orphan because the focus was still fulfilled anyway???
vanille has no personality and no development ever
neither does fang??? these two characters are just sort of "there" most of the time. they have a history that comes up and a big "mystery" surrounding them and they end up dying to save the world in the end but that's about all we know??
sazh and snow have reasons and things to fight for and all but only snow's is really delved into a lot - sazh's thing with his son is really only part of like one chapter of the game and then he's just sort of there
i really don't think any of these characters ever develop much...to say that the story is more about them is fine i guess, but that's still really stretching it and there's not a whole lot there to go on. you could just say it's an archetypal story of people overcoming their "destinies" and choosing their own ways to live life, but that's just a summary - and one that applies to an awful lot of jrpgs with better stories, too.
i don't think ffxiii is garbage or anything, it was fun and there's nothing about it i totally hate or anything. but not even i can call its story good. it's not just the way it's told - there's not very much there to tell to begin with. but a big part of it is the way it's told, yes. in that it isn't told. except in boring-ass summaries while the chapters are loading.
i didnt say it was good either.
just that there was a story and it was horribly told.
all of what you said (kaz) is basically true. i never (intentionally) disputed otherwise.
Quote from: Kefka on January 08, 2013, 11:18:05 AM
Catherine
No More Heroes
the first nmh is great asshole
Quote from: Kefka on January 08, 2013, 11:18:05 AM
Catherine
get fucked
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 08, 2013, 10:56:59 PM
Quote from: Kefka on January 08, 2013, 11:18:05 AM
Catherine
No More Heroes
the first nmh is great asshole
honestly I tried playing it again a couple of weeks ago and I barely understood what I was doing and much of it felt incredibly clunky and low-budget
I still wouldn't say it's bad game but it certainly isn't very good
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 08, 2013, 10:56:59 PM
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Catherine
No More Heroes
the first nmh is great asshole
i thought both of their albums were really good befuddlement
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Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 08, 2013, 10:56:59 PM
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Catherine
No More Heroes
the first nmh is great asshole
i thought both of their albums were really good befuddlement
lol
jeff mangum was in pittsburgh last night and i only found out today cry;
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 11, 2013, 08:20:50 AM
Quote from: [23]crossdressers on January 10, 2013, 06:23:40 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 08, 2013, 10:56:59 PM
Quote from: Kefka on January 08, 2013, 11:18:05 AM
Catherine
No More Heroes
the first nmh is great asshole
i thought both of their albums were really good befuddlement
lol
jeff mangum was in pittsburgh last night and i only found out today cry;
that would be real cool to see him live. Does he tour with a band? i really have no idea what he does nowadays.