http://richarddawkins.net/article,3846,n,n
The audio linked to in the article.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbrfz1DIq9Q[/youtube]
The Cardinal claims that atheists "are not fully human".
If someone feels like defending that statement or saying there is nothing really wrong with it, let me remind you what happened before when group was labelled not fully human/subhuman.
(http://deisidaimon.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/auschwitz.jpg)
(http://www.aetherometry.com/Electronic_Publications/Philosophy/AS1-06/images/auschwitz_bodies.jpg)
(http://undercurrentnews.com/miscpics/Buchenwald-bei-Weimar-am-24-April-1945.gif)
yay.
Don't let a silly old Catholic ruin the other religions for you. n_______n
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on May 18, 2009, 02:42:26 PM
Don't let a silly old Catholic ruin the other religions for you. n_______n
Actually, the whole "I don't believe in God" is what "ruins the other religions" for me.
It's just stuff like this, which is just providing justification for someone who wants to harm atheists that incorporate into me thinking it's a bad thing.
The difference being: if, among the other reasons I find religion to be malicious towards humanity for, sentiment like this wasn't spread by religious leaders I wouldn't care if someone believed in what I find to be fairy tales. However, when leaders of a religion make comments which set the foreground to violence against specific groupââ,¬â€œone that I'm a part ofââ,¬â€œ then I'm going to care and speak out against it.
how is it "speaking against it" when you're complaining to a bunch of high schoolers
Quote from: Stupid Fucking Slut on May 18, 2009, 04:31:36 PM
how is it "speaking against it" when you're complaining to a bunch of high schoolers
because boyah is the only place in the universe where i oppose religion.
Dehumanization is only a coping method in which people shut down their remorse or sympathies for their actions without considering themselves antisocial. In the end it usually doesn't cause the action, it just becomes less taboo to commit said action for their own reasons.
I still don't say that religion is bad - religion mixed with mentally unstable people is. For example, someone who seriously adheres to the principles taught by Jesus isn't going to be killing people.
Quote from: Zach on May 18, 2009, 07:55:23 PM
I still don't say that religion is bad - religion mixed with mentally unstable people is. For example, someone who seriously adheres to the principles taught by Jesus isn't going to be killing people.
One would argue that religious people themselves are mentally unstable.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 18, 2009, 08:09:31 PM
One would argue that religious people themselves are mentally unstable.
I knew where this was going when I typed that, but I find that to be utterly ridiculous. The majority of the world's population claims some kind of religion, but that does not make them insane. There are plenty of normal, rational people that also happen to be religious.
It's how it's interpreted, obviously.
The Vatican gets slumped with plenty of unique, modern issues that weren't present years ago and try to impose their own views on how they should be handled under the guise of "the bible told me so".
So, I think it's the institution that gives Christians a bad flavor, not the religion itself.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 18, 2009, 08:09:31 PM
One would argue that religious people themselves are mentally unstable.
um wat
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on May 20, 2009, 12:15:06 PM
um wat
2000 years ago hearing God talk to you made you a prophet.
Now hearing God talk to you makes you a schizophrenic.
Claiming to have healing or prophetic powers thousands of years ago was somehow viewed as a good thing.
Do it now and you're crazy and/or a fraud.
Believing you are eating transmutated flesh and blood makes you a believer if done in a church. Done elsewhere and you will get a nice prescription of Seroquel.
It's a mass delusion.
If you saw a guy claiming to have the ability to talk to God tomorrow would you believe him? What makes Jesus, Moses, Noah, etc any more credible?
what the hell is this history class? i thought having the holocaust thrown into your face is only supposed to happen during those shitty history class days.
Quote from: RDX on May 20, 2009, 06:16:40 PM
what the hell is this history class? i thought having the holocaust thrown into your face is only supposed to happen during those shitty history class days.
this is boyah.
boyah is my history class
that makes this awkward
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"
"I like your Gandhi. I do not like the ones who quote him. The ones who quote him are so unlike your Gandhi."
I could've sworn that was from a movie or something, not gandhi doodthing;
Quote from: RDX on May 27, 2009, 08:11:46 PM
I could've sworn that was from a movie or something, not gandhi doodthing;
You're an idiot.
Thanks to that Jaleel bastard, I had to go and quote your post. After I posted it.
Quote from: Slim on May 27, 2009, 08:18:19 PM
You're an idiot.
I totally didn't expect that bassir;
i feel like religion is irrelevant to this discussion - unstable people will preach hate no matter what - it doesn't matter if they are religious or not - they will still feel prejudice toward some group of human beings
Quote from: RDX on May 27, 2009, 08:11:46 PM
I could've sworn that was from a movie or something, not gandhi doodthing;
Nope. It's a Ghandi quote. He actually was interested in becoming a Christian until he wasn't allowed to enter a church he went to.
Quote from: Zach on May 27, 2009, 11:45:45 PM
Nope. It's a Ghandi quote. He actually was interested in becoming a Christian until he wasn't allowed to enter a church he went to.
It's a very good point, too.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 20, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
Believing you are eating transmutated flesh and blood makes you a believer if done in a church. Done elsewhere and you will get a nice prescription of Seroquel.
It's a mass delusion.
No, it's symbolizing the last supper. Most of those wacky Christians don't actually believe their eating Jesus.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 20, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
If you saw a guy claiming to have the ability to talk to God tomorrow would you believe him? What makes Jesus, Moses, Noah, etc any more credible?
The Bible.
Although I know that wont mean much to an Atheist pig dog like yourself. baddood;
Quote from: Bolivian Army on May 29, 2009, 08:42:31 AM
No, it's symbolizing the last supper. Most of those wacky Christians don't actually believe their eating Jesus.
they're* and uh I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church teaches it as the literal blood and flesh.
QuoteThe Bible.
Although I know that wont mean much to an Atheist pig dog like yourself. baddood;
which the books weren't canonized for hundreds of years after jesus.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 29, 2009, 08:45:12 AM
they're* and uh I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church teaches it as the literal blood and flesh.
enough with the Catholics already. besides transubstantiation is a debated point within the church and you're just pointing out one side of it to make everyone look like a nutjob
only half of us are thank you very much baddood;
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 20, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
which the books weren't canonized for hundreds of years after jesus.
i thought we were talking about today
i mean, at the time i think people weren't calling them crazy because of the parting of the red sea and crapload of fish and bread and the huge boat when the water is getting higher and whatnot
Quote from: Bolivian Army on May 29, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
enough with the Catholics already. besides transubstantiation is a debated point within the church and you're just pointing out one side of it to make everyone look like a nutjob
only half of us are thank you very much baddood;
they still believe it
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i thought we were talking about today
the point there was why do you believe that the people in the bible had the same silly abilities that crazies claim to have now. the bible might say it but it wasn't completed for a long time after they died.
it's like me writing a book on nostradamus and claiming he was a prophet too, he's been dead a few hundred years
Quotei mean, at the time i think people weren't calling them crazy because of the parting of the red sea and crapload of fish and bread and the huge boat when the water is getting higher and whatnot
those didn't happen
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 29, 2009, 09:23:10 AM
they still believe it
some of them do yes but the point im trying to throw down here is that you cant put every christian in a corner, point out the silly ones and label them all idiots
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 29, 2009, 09:23:10 AM
the point there was why do you believe that the people in the bible had the same silly abilities that crazies claim to have now. the bible might say it but it wasn't completed for a long time after they died.
not in Moses case. yes the bible wasn't completed but his story was
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 29, 2009, 09:23:10 AM
those didn't happen
good point, im going to counter with "yes they did" and see how that plays out
im sure nothing bad will happen
Quote from: Bolivian Army on May 29, 2009, 09:41:20 AM
some of them do yes but the point im trying to throw down here is that you cant put every christian in a corner, point out the silly ones and label them all idiots
uh the point was that religion itself is silly and they hold the same views as crazies.
Quotenot in Moses case. yes the bible wasn't completed but his story was
was that written as he supposedly did it or hundreds of years later
Quote
good point, im going to counter with "yes they did" and see how that plays out
im sure nothing bad will happen
so did beowulf it's an old poem and it happened
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 29, 2009, 09:50:39 AM
uh the point was that religion itself is silly and they hold the same views as crazies.
because they're a bunch of bigots who like to label people into groups right
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 29, 2009, 09:50:39 AM
was that written as he supposedly did it or hundreds of years later
i dunno he wrote them and he lived to be 120 so i doubt it was hundreds of years later
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 29, 2009, 09:50:39 AM
so did beowulf it's an old poem and it happened
oh you crazy wolfians and your crazy beliefs
Quote from: Bolivian Army on May 29, 2009, 10:02:48 AM
because they're a bunch of bigots who like to label people into groups right
uh putting christians into a group of "religious people" is as bigoted as putting the residents of georgia in the group of "southerners".
Quotei dunno he wrote them and he lived to be 120 so i doubt it was hundreds of years later
uh do you have a source for the claim that moses wrote the books he was in?
also isn't the moses story one of those 'coincidences' of sharing elements with other myths? I forget the exact details, it was either his plague threat shit or something with his childhood.
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oh you crazy wolfians and your crazy beliefs
grendel
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 29, 2009, 10:38:01 AM
uh putting christians into a group of "religious people" is as bigoted as putting the residents of georgia in the group of "southerners".
lets not bring those racist backwater hicks into this
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 29, 2009, 10:38:01 AM
uh do you have a source for the claim that moses wrote the books he was in?
yeah the bib-
oh fudge i forgot that doesnt count
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on May 29, 2009, 10:38:01 AM
also isn't the moses story one of those 'coincidences' of sharing elements with other myths? I forget the exact details, it was either his plague threat shit or something with his childhood.
huh
i challenge jmv baddood;
with this (http://truereligiondebate.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/quran20light.jpg)
IT EXUDES THE LIGHT OF JUSTICE
Quote from: RDX on May 29, 2009, 11:08:15 PM
i challenge jmv baddood;
with this (http://truereligiondebate.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/quran20light.jpg)
IT EXUDES THE LIGHT OF JUSTICE
back of the line, osama baddood;
Catholic people don't know anything..
Quote from: laylay on May 31, 2009, 07:05:36 PM
Catholic people don't know anything..
Actually, they do. They just don't follow the rules that they set.
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on June 01, 2009, 05:39:51 AM
Actually, they do. They just don't follow the rules that they set.
No they don't. Plus there huge assholes, someone should assassinate the pope.
Lacey why hasn't anyone murdered you yet?
Honestly you're the most bigoted dumbass that I have ever met.
Quote from: laylay on June 01, 2009, 01:06:26 PM
No they don't. Plus there huge assholes, someone should assassinate the pope.
Catholic priests are some of the most well-read scholors in the world, rivaled only by the Jewish. It's just that Catholic priests don't follow thier own rules. They believe that, because they are ordained by God, they should be allowed "privileges". You have to realize that everybody has one particual sin (sometimes more), and that Catholic priests, while very good at staying away from most sins, give in very, very easily into they're private sin.
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on June 01, 2009, 06:35:47 PM
Catholic priests are some of the most well-read scholors in the world, rivaled only by the Jewish. It's just that Catholic priests don't follow thier own rules. They believe that, because they are ordained by God, they should be allowed "privileges". You have to realize that everybody has one particual sin (sometimes more), and that Catholic priests, while very good at staying away from most sins, give in very, very easily into they're private sin.
you act so brainwashed it just makes me angry and upset
Quote from: Trav on June 01, 2009, 06:46:52 PM
you act so brainwashed it just makes me angry and upset
How is that brainwashed?
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on June 02, 2009, 08:30:37 AM
How is that brainwashed?
They label other groups as subhuman and then go and protect the child rapists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4) and deny it happened.
You are playing it off as "they're very good as staying away from most sins". No, they are sick fucks. Until the pope, all of the cardinals, and bishops admit it happened, stop defending the priests, stop trying to cover it up, and admit it was wrong they are just as guilty as the fucks who actually did it.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 02, 2009, 12:24:39 PM
They label other groups as subhuman and then go and protect the child rapists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4) and deny it happened.
You are playing it off as "they're very good as staying away from most sins". No, they are sick fucks. Until the pope, all of the cardinals, and bishops admit it happened, stop defending the priests, stop trying to cover it up, and admit it was wrong they are just as guilty as the fucks who actually did it.
Even I am going to admit they messed up and did a terrible thing. You can't just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen. It's extremely disappointing and just can't be defended.
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on June 02, 2009, 03:39:51 PM
Even I am going to admit they messed up and did a terrible thing. You can't just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen. It's extremely disappointing and just can't be defended.
Unfortunately the Vatican doesn't hold that position.
They bring the priests there because they are unable to be prosecuted there.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 02, 2009, 12:24:39 PM
They label other groups as subhuman and then go and protect the child rapists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4) and deny it happened.
You are playing it off as "they're very good as staying away from most sins". No, they are sick fucks. Until the pope, all of the cardinals, and bishops admit it happened, stop defending the priests, stop trying to cover it up, and admit it was wrong they are just as guilty as the fucks who actually did it.
That goes with what I was saying. "Lust" is a sin, no matter what form or how sick. Besides, that's them sinning, not the rest of the people of that religion. Do I rape children? No. Yet I'm still Christian. Do I sin? Yes. Yet I am still a Christian.
Yes, they are sick for what they do. But that's them. If you have a problem with them, go to the Vatican and bitch them out. Don't take it out on other people who actually follow the religion like they're supposed to.
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on June 04, 2009, 02:31:54 PMDon't take it out on other people who actually follow the religion like they're supposed to.
The catholics say you're following it wrong. So do the Jehovah's Witnesses, Methodists, etc.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 04, 2009, 02:34:51 PM
The catholics say you're following it wrong. So do the Jehovah's Witnesses, Methodists, etc.
i think he meant following the rules set in his own religion
Quote from: Stupid Fucking Slut on June 04, 2009, 02:47:02 PM
i think he meant following the rules set in his own religion
Everyone believes they're following the religion they're supposed to.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 04, 2009, 02:34:51 PM
The catholics say you're following it wrong. So do the Jehovah's Witnesses, Methodists, etc.
Well, if I am, then how come you don't see Baptist pastors in the news for illegal shit?
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on June 04, 2009, 02:54:24 PM
Well, if I am, then how come you don't see Baptist pastors in the news for illegal shit?
No (http://www.13wham.com/news/state/story/Northern-NY-Baptist-pastor-admits-downloading/YI7ZXeRrjESBp2DDq24AFQ.cspx) I never (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:uMb0B-6ZO6AJ:www.abpnews.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D4096%26Itemid%3D53+baptist+pastor+molest&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari) have heard of such a case (http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=11767)
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 04, 2009, 02:58:59 PM
No (http://www.13wham.com/news/state/story/Northern-NY-Baptist-pastor-admits-downloading/YI7ZXeRrjESBp2DDq24AFQ.cspx) I never (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:uMb0B-6ZO6AJ:www.abpnews.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D4096%26Itemid%3D53+baptist+pastor+molest&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari) have heard of such a case (http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=11767)
Ooh, wow, that's new to me. O_0
Uhh Bowser Boy what ever happened to you composing for the Outsider RPG?
I thought you quit the internet, which would've been fine, but now I find you here? At Boyah? Did you defect? What is this?
Quote from: RDX on June 04, 2009, 06:27:31 PM
Uhh Bowser Boy what ever happened to you composing for the Outsider RPG?
I thought you quit the internet, which would've been fine, but now I find you here? At Boyah? Did you defect? What is this?
...What? doodthing;
Just wondering...(This is directed more at JMV, but it's really for everyone who doesn't believe in God.)
Why, JMV, do you bitch about religion? I mean, you don't have one. If you really think religion is such a bad thing, then why do you pick at it and say it's stupid instead of actually getting to the problem? You solve nothing except pissing people off and showing the Christians just how little they know of the Bible. But you obviously know very little of the meaning IN the Bible, while you could probably name off verse after verse of "bullshit" at any given moment. You look at the Bible as something that's supposed to have some hidden key in it about what's really going on, but since you can't find it, you condemn the entire thing to falacy. You look at our leaders and find every single fault and call us all lying bastards. Yet, you still seem to have no grounds to be able to make assumptions where anyone will actually care.
Seriously, JMV, why must you attack something that you've never truly experienced? Is it because it just seems "uncool"? Because many of the people who follow it only have one comeback, and that's "Well, you're going to hell, so bleh!"? Or is it because you know that there's still a possiblility that we're right, and you're not?
Nothing's been proven yet.
Well he seems to have convinced other members of the irrational nature of religion, so I don't know why he would stop doing that if he thought he was doing them a favor
Quote from: YPR on June 05, 2009, 07:00:06 AM
Well he seems to have convinced other members of the irrational nature of religion, so I don't know why he would stop doing that if he thought he was doing them a favor
Well, we get it. He hates it. But the real question is why he hates religion so much, and why he constantly bitches about it. His claims are things I could hear from college proffessors with bad attitudes. So why should I listen to JMV when I have much better sources to cut me and my religion down?
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on June 05, 2009, 07:04:51 AM
Well, we get it. He hates it. But the real question is why he hates religion so much, and why he constantly bitches about it. His claims are things I could hear from college proffessors with bad attitudes. So why should I listen to JMV when I have much better sources to cut me and my religion down?
He probably at least partially associates it with his mom... and they do not have a great relationship by any means. Probably some other reasons too... I should probably just let jmv answer
jmv just stopped talking to me like a big jerkhead baddood;
Quote from: Bolivian Army on June 05, 2009, 09:21:41 AM
jmv just stopped talking to me like a big jerkhead baddood;
yeah it was stupid what you said
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 09:38:16 AM
yeah it was stupid what you said
oh yeah you sure showed me what with the pointing out of the radicals and whatnot
i honestly wouldn't have a problem if you said "this person is silly" instead of "religion is silly and this is one of the reasons why" but instead you take a leader in the church who is basically saying that he believes that it's natural for humans to believe in god (at least, i would assume that's what he was saying, if he was actually putting theists above atheists then he would be contradicting the bible) and go from there to holocaust pictures to religious wack-jobs misconstruing his words and start rounding people up for a sinner roast
so it seems to me like you have a beef with silly people and not silly religion baddood;
Quote from: Bolivian Army on June 05, 2009, 12:20:22 PM
oh yeah you sure showed me what with the pointing out of the radicals and whatnot
i honestly wouldn't have a problem if you said "this person is silly" instead of "religion is silly and this is one of the reasons why" but instead you take a leader in the church who is basically saying that he believes that it's natural for humans to believe in god (at least, i would assume that's what he was saying, if he was actually putting theists above atheists then he would be contradicting the bible) and go from there to holocaust pictures to religious wack-jobs misconstruing his words and start rounding people up for a sinner roast
so it seems to me like you have a beef with silly people and not silly religion baddood;
uh the last post you made was:
Quote from: Bolivian Army on May 29, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
lets not bring those racist backwater hicks into thisyeah the bib-
oh fudge i forgot that doesnt count
huh
I found there was not any content worth replying to.
With this, you are right that it's one person saying it. However he is the leader in the churchââ,¬â€œThe same thing people kill for and die for to protect (see the crusades, inquisition, etc.) His claims provide justification for the people under him to commit the crime.
The holocaust was justified by The Nazis labeling Jews as subhuman. It's completely related to a cardinal doing what a Nazi did. Have any other church officials higher up than him came out to argue against what he said? Like I said, as long as they are supporting or otherwise not dismissing the comments and actions of their constituents they are just as guilty.
The silly people get their silly ideas from their silly book and silly religion.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 12:52:34 PM
Have any other church officials higher up than him came out to argue against what he said?
I doubt you've bothered to check. doodhuh;
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on June 05, 2009, 12:58:03 PM
I doubt you've bothered to check. doodhuh;
oh i have. i've found nothing.
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on June 05, 2009, 06:54:28 AM
Just wondering...(This is directed more at JMV, but it's really for everyone who doesn't believe in God.)
Why, JMV, do you bitch about religion? I mean, you don't have one. If you really think religion is such a bad thing, then why do you pick at it and say it's stupid instead of actually getting to the problem? You solve nothing except pissing people off and showing the Christians just how little they know of the Bible. But you obviously know very little of the meaning IN the Bible, while you could probably name off verse after verse of "bullshit" at any given moment. You look at the Bible as something that's supposed to have some hidden key in it about what's really going on, but since you can't find it, you condemn the entire thing to falacy. You look at our leaders and find every single fault and call us all lying bastards. Yet, you still seem to have no grounds to be able to make assumptions where anyone will actually care.
Seriously, JMV, why must you attack something that you've never truly experienced? Is it because it just seems "uncool"? Because many of the people who follow it only have one comeback, and that's "Well, you're going to hell, so bleh!"? Or is it because you know that there's still a possiblility that we're right, and you're not?
Nothing's been proven yet.
blah blah personal attacks blah blah insults blah blah jmv why are you so hostile madood;
Whoa thanks for quoting that Guff, I missed that post. I gotta reply to it now.
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on June 05, 2009, 06:54:28 AM
Just wondering...(This is directed more at JMV, but it's really for everyone who doesn't believe in God.)
baddood;
QuoteWhy, JMV, do you bitch about religion? I mean, you don't have one.
Exactly. I don't have one. Why should I have to live with the thought that a religious nut might decide to force their ideals upon me?
Several places in the Bible, Qur'an, Torah, and plenty of other religious texts call for killing of non-believers. Clergy make comments about atheists being less than human. Churches hold protests saying "death to fags', "death to those who don't believe", etc. You have people like George Tiller being gunned down because his work clashes with the views of another sect of a religion.
You have legislation being passed to deny people the right to have their love be equally recognized by the government because of religion. Historically it was okay to own slaves and religion (curse of Ham) was used for its justification. Beating of wives was justified by the words of Genesis.
It's a real threat to me and any other atheist. It's a threat to you too, maybe another sect of Christians think you're a not believer and decide to do God's work and kill you. Maybe some baptist will decide that all Catholics need to die for "idolatry"
Oh, and you can't forget the Muslims. Even Hindus aren't innocent. Their beliefs allow for the caste system, severe human rights violations, and oppression.
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If you really think religion is such a bad thing, then why do you pick at it and say it's stupid instead of actually getting to the problem? You solve nothing except pissing people off and showing the Christians just how little they know of the Bible.
You fail to recognize that problem right there. The problem is that Christians know little of the Bible. They know little of their religion's past. They follow it but they don't know it themselves. They generally don't try to think about it for themselves. Why? Maybe because the psychological abuse of being threatened with eternal suffering for merely thinking a doubt about God.
QuoteBut you obviously know very little of the meaning IN the Bible, while you could probably name off verse after verse of "bullshit" at any given moment. You look at the Bible as something that's supposed to have some hidden key in it about what's really going on, but since you can't find it, you condemn the entire thing to falacy.
The meaning in the Bible is the story of a selfish, malevolent, narcissistic, genocidal maniac whose self-esteem is apparently worse than that of the average Boyager and claims to offer free will yet punishes those who don't accept and love him.
Realistically the meaning is just a collection of stories borrowed from past civilizations. The moral code and fear of punishment being a way to keeping large tribes of nomadic shepherds in line. In a time where war is a constant threat and the known world was mostly fertile river banks in the desert keeping unity and control amongst similar people is best done with the promise of eternal reward and not complying is met with eternal punishment. That's all there is to it. It was a convenient tool of control in a time where agriculture and civilization were trying to get a foothold.
QuoteYou look at our leaders and find every single fault and call us all lying bastards. Yet, you still seem to have no grounds to be able to make assumptions where anyone will actually care.
I've never said all religious people are lying bastards. I've maybe said they are all delusional and I stand by that.
QuoteSeriously, JMV, why must you attack something that you've never truly experienced?
What have I never experienced? The folly that everything will be okay if I just believe in a God and if I don't I suffer? The indoctrination by parents and a few teachers that such was true and the feelings of guilt for rejecting "the love of Christ" when I decided to think for myself? Having something I was told that was true tell me that doubting it would result in me suffering for eternity?
QuoteIs it because it just seems "uncool"?
us atheists drink blood cocktails and pop our collars and play smack the bible because it's just that uncool.
No, it's an illogical mental scar on society.
QuoteBecause many of the people who follow it only have one comeback, and that's "Well, you're going to hell, so bleh!"?
Their lack of proof and when confronted for evidence they bring up logical fallacies, try to dismiss the burden of proof, or basically go "lalalalalalala I can't hear you have an open mind" while refusing to even think that maybe their indoctrination is wrong. I'm almost certain that had you been born in Saudi Arabia instead of the southern US you'd be a Muslim. Had you been in New England and not the south you'd be a Catholic. You've convinced yourself that your beliefs about your god, your morals, your afterlife, your everything are right because the holy book says so. You ignore that you may have argued otherwise had you been born elsewhere.
QuoteOr is it because you know that there's still a possiblility that we're right, and you're not?
lolI have no doubt that I am wrong about the Abrahamic god. The stories and arguments have all been told in older religions.
The only possibility of there being a God would be a non-interventional god of a pantheistic sense of being the universe itself–and that being interpreted as a literal(as opposed to the usual metaphorical god) and that is slightly less plausible to me than us being in a simulated reality.
QuoteNothing's been proven yet.
The burden of proof is only needed to be "beyond a reasonable doubt" for the law. A similar standard is fine for religion. You can't prove something doesn't exist only that it exists thus it's your burden.
Evolution itself has been proven. It has been observed. Creation has neither been proven nor observed.
Evidence of the big bang has been observed. While it may not have been "proven" in the sense you may mean, it has been "proven beyond a reasonable doubt".
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 02:35:13 PM
Why should I have to live with the thought that a religious nut might decide to force their ideals upon me?
Several places in the Bible, Qur'an, Torah, and plenty of other religious texts call for killing of non-believers. Clergy make comments about atheists being less than human. Churches hold protests saying "death to fags', "death to those who don't believe", etc. You have people like George Tiller being gunned down because his work clashes with the views of another sect of a religion.
Evolution itself has been proven.
The only thing that really annoys me about JMV is that he complains about religion (primarily Christianity) more than Christians do about gays and such that goes against our beliefs. He's afraid of having religion forced upon himself, when he's doing the same thing against the religious members here. Not once since I've been here have I seen anyone forcefully try to attempt JMV (or any of the atheists) into converting back to Christianity, so why should we be punished with the insults that we're delusional? If all the Christians of the world (which is what, one-sixth of the population?) are crazy, there would be a lot more chaos than there is or has been.
It's like, nobody here whole-heartedly does the things you complain about, so why do you view us as the scum who say things like what this topic was started for? I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I am not a radical like some of these people in the media, and it's just irritating to generalize us with those people. Like so what if we're both Christians? It's the largest religion in the entire world, of course we're going to have fools, just like we're going to have really good-natured, intelligent people.
Also then why is it still referred to as a theory? baddood;
Quote from: Det in F♯ Major on June 05, 2009, 03:32:55 PM
The only thing that really annoys me about JMV is that he complains about religion (primarily Christianity) more than Christians do about gays and such that goes against our beliefs.
More than? I don't see any atheistic laws limiting the freedom of anyone.
QuoteHe's afraid of having religion forced upon himself, when he's doing the same thing against the religious members here.
Where have I forced anyone (even without threats of eternal suffering that religion uses) to "not believe"?
QuoteNot once since I've been here have I seen anyone forcefully try to attempt JMV (or any of the atheists) into converting back to Christianity, so why should we be punished with the insults that we're delusional?
Because deluding yourself into believing something without any evidence is delusional.
QuoteIf all the Christians of the world (which is what, one-sixth of the population?) are crazy, there would be a lot more chaos than there is or has been.
[citation needed]
I think there is already plenty of chaos and your argument doesn't work if you don't have a lack of chaos to compare it to. It's relative. If you see all the chaos, it appears to be normal.
QuoteIt's like, nobody here whole-heartedly does the things you complain about, so why do you view us as the scum who say things like what this topic was started for?
It seems a few people here don't support the rights of people to marry someone that they love because their religion doesn't allow it. It seems a few people here do accept something with no evidence proving it.
QuoteI can't speak for anyone but myself, but I am not a radical like some of these people in the media, and it's just irritating to generalize us with those people. Like so what if we're both Christians? It's the largest religion in the entire world, of course we're going to have fools, just like we're going to have really good-natured, intelligent people.
I've never said all religious people do that. I said they're delusional and if they're going to follow those that do it they're just as guilty. Maybe not
you personally but your religion which you're a part of.
If you're part of an organization which you then find out commits horrible crimes do you stay a part of the organization or do you leave that organization?
edit: pre-emptive counter argument about "and the members of the organization are not representative of the organization itself". If leaders in the organization support such actions and are not called out, kicked out, and condemned the the organization is condoning such behavior.
QuoteAlso then why is it still referred to as a theory? baddood;
you're joking right
seriously how many fucking times has that been explained. A scientific theory is not the same as "omg i have conspiracy theory"
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 12:52:34 PM
uh the last post you made was:
I found there was not any content worth replying to.
by which i meant that i obviously didn't have a problem with you calling them religious, i had a problem with you calling them delusional you big goof
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 12:52:34 PM
With this, you are right that it's one person saying it. However he is the leader in the churchââ,¬â€œThe same thing people kill for and die for to protect (see the crusades, inquisition, etc.) His claims provide justification for the people under him to commit the crime.
The holocaust was justified by The Nazis labeling Jews as subhuman. It's completely related to a cardinal doing what a Nazi did. Have any other church officials higher up than him came out to argue against what he said? Like I said, as long as they are supporting or otherwise not dismissing the comments and actions of their constituents they are just as guilty.
okay that's what i just said in my last post go on
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 12:52:34 PM
The silly people get their silly ideas from their silly book
uh this one obviously didn't did you even read my last post buster baddood;
jammy you seem to think that religious hypocrisy doesn't bother us theists because it's "religious" but really it probably bothers us just as much if not more
now c'mere you big lug lets hug it out
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on June 05, 2009, 06:35:09 AM
...What? doodthing;
You abandoned us dick don't even try to deny it baddood;
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
More than? I don't see any atheistic laws limiting the freedom of anyone.
i meant you bitch about christianity more than christians bitch about gay marriage, etc
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
Where have I forced anyone (even without threats of eternal suffering that religion uses) to "not believe"?
Quote from: YPR on June 05, 2009, 07:00:06 AM
Well he seems to have convinced other members of the irrational nature of religion
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
Because deluding yourself into believing something without any evidence is delusional.
We take the Bible as our evidence. psyduck;
And yes I know you don't believe it.
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
[citation needed]
I think there is already plenty of chaos and your argument doesn't work if you don't have a lack of chaos to compare it to. It's relative. If you see all the chaos, it appears to be normal.
uh citation needed for what
also wat
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
It seems a few people here don't support the rights of people to marry someone that they love because their religion doesn't allow it.
when was the first gay marriage
how come it was okay before then to oppose it
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
If you're part of an organization which you then find out commits horrible crimes do you stay a part of the organization or do you leave that organization?
i have never heard any of my
personal church leaders preach about committing horrible crimes
like i said, with a religion so large, you are bound to have some idiots in there
and that's stupid, if one of your teacher is caught having sex with a student at your school or your teacher forces you to stand up during the national anthem, are you going to switch schools just because of it?
Damn, JMV you're very bitter. About something.
I would hop in on this argument but I can't really because you're only discussing the Bible. Let me know when you guys start bashing the Quran (But only if you guys know about some of it) n_u
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 06:39:08 PM
Damn, JMV you're very bitter. About something.
I would hop in on this argument but I can't really because you're only discussing the Bible. Let me know when you guys start bashing the Quran (But only if you guys know about some of it) n_u
Be our guests y/n
No you first. I only play defensively when it comes to my holy books bassir;
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 06:41:50 PM
No you first. I only play defensively when it comes to my holy books bassir;
Wait, do you believe in the Quran or are you against it? psyduck;
I believe THE POWER OF GOD
hence my post a few pages ago
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
I believe THE POWER OF GOD
hence my post a few pages ago
Oh I thought you said you wanted to bash it.
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on June 05, 2009, 06:30:58 PM
i meant you bitch about christianity more than christians bitch about gay marriage, etc
No, once I get a law passed banning religion then I will have bitched more than them.
Quotequote of ypr
Providing facts != forcing. Allowing people to see that there are other methodologies and ideologies than the ones they have been indoctrinated with != forcing.
QuoteWe take the Bible as our evidence. psyduck;
And yes I know you don't believe it.
But what evidence do you have that the bible is right?
Quoteuh citation needed for what
also wat
You said something about there being more chaos but there is plenty of chaos which makes it look "normal".
Quotewhen was the first gay marriage
be more specific.
May 17, 2004 in the US. Thousands of years ago in ancient cultures.
Quotehow come it was okay before then to oppose it
It wasn't.
Quotei have never heard any of my personal church leaders preach about committing horrible crimes
have they condemned the sex abuse? have they condemned the violent actions in the name of god?
Quote
like i said, with a religion so large, you are bound to have some idiots in there
and that's stupid, if one of your teacher is caught having sex with a student at your school or your teacher forces you to stand up during the national anthem, are you going to switch schools just because of it?
The national anthem thing makes no sense. But if the school didn't punish the teacher, yes I would switch schools.
I'm too lazy to quote. I'm sure you know what I'm replying to.
I highly doubt we will see the day when America becomes totalitarian, my friend.
My evidence is something you will never understand. You will never have faith (again) so you will never understand so I'm not going to bother arguing after this post, really.
Where is it written that marriage was between and man and a woman before 2004?
Yes they have.
Also I thought you were allowed to refuse to stand during the anthem.
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on June 05, 2009, 06:53:41 PM
I'm too lazy to quote. I'm sure you know what I'm replying to.
akudood; burnnnnnnn
QuoteI highly doubt we will see the day when America becomes totalitarian, my friend.
It's more possible than you think (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act). The basic point is that while I might complain, I have come nowhere near complaining to the point of legally preventing someone from being with someone you love.
QuoteMy evidence is something you will never understand. You will never have faith (again) so you will never understand so I'm not going to bother arguing after this post, really.
That God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it? And you know God said it because it's in the Bible? And The Bible is true because God said it?
Maybe YPR, BA, or PuuMastaFunk might help.
QuoteWhere is it written that marriage was between and man and a woman before 2004?
In the minds of conservative. Considering that ancient greece and rome had same-sex marriages which predate the English language I'd say never.
Much like how there are places in the Bible where marriage was between a man and
women.
QuoteYes they have.
Good. How about your local bishop?
QuoteAlso I thought you were allowed to refuse to stand during the anthem.
It's not nearly on par with fucking a student or killing someone.
It is wrong but not nearly on the level of that.
Does the Bible even matter, since Jesus died for everyone's sins?
Beside the fact that Christians believe in the Holy Trinity, and the morals system set by the Bible, what's the difference between Christianity and Atheism? I've had many discussions with Christians about why the Bible would matter if Jesus died for everyone's sins, and one of them told me that as long as you repent sincerely you can sin as much as you want (Well not in those exact words but he said that Hitler had the chance of being forgiven had he repented, so it's almost the same thing).
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 07:07:04 PM
Does the Bible even matter, since Jesus died for everyone's sins?
Beside the fact that Christians believe in the Holy Trinity, and the morals system set by the Bible, what's the difference between Christianity and Atheism? I've had many discussions with Christians about why the Bible would matter if Jesus died for everyone's sins, and one of them told me that as long as you repent sincerely you can sin as much as you want.
he worded that horribly and should not be discussing such matters baddood;
Who? Me?
I can reword it if you want. Honest to God I just want to fucking know. I must've asked 10 different Christians and none of them can answer me and it pisses me off. Doesn't anyone know?
Reworded:
If Jesus died for everyone's sins, why do the rules set in the Bible matter? Couldn't I go around fornicating and butsexing everyone I see and then repent and then go to Heaven regardless?
edit: woops, i meant christians, not questions
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 07:07:04 PM
Does the Bible even matter, since Jesus died for everyone's sins?
It depends on if you ask Catholics or Protestants
Quote
Beside the fact that Christians believe in the Holy Trinity,
Isn't that just catholics? At least in a different sense than that of Protestants
Quoteand the morals system set by the Bible, what's the difference between Christianity and Atheism?
The existence of God is a major one
QuoteI've had many discussions with Christians about why the Bible would matter if Jesus died for everyone's sins, and one of them told me that as long as you repent sincerely you can sin as much as you want.
That's just an obscure view of Catholicismsdkflskl which i'm too lazy to spell.
I want an answer from a Christian, not a crazy Atheist, cause if that's purely Catholic then I'm sure one of the 10 Christians I've asked would've told me so by now
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 07:16:47 PM
I want an answer from a Christian, not a crazy Atheist, cause if that's pure Catholic then I'm sure one of the 10 people I've asked would've told me so by now
uh you do realize i was raised a christian and read the bible right
there are also hundreds of sects of christianity.
lutherans
methodists
calvinists
baptists
catholics(and plenty of sects of this)
greek orthodox
jehovah's bitches
i can go on.
they all have different views.
some go for predestination. some believe accepting christ is the only way to salvation. others believe that confessing and repenting is. others believe that just being a good person is.
You're not going to get a consistent answer unless you ask people from the same sect.
uhh like the actual bible or history channel specials?
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 07:18:29 PM
uhh like the actual bible or history channel specials?
edited post.
Also actual bible because I was all "omg i <3 God i want to know all about him" then I was all "oh shit what the fuck he just killed kids i thought he loved us" "oh shit what that contradicts what i just read 3 chapters ago".
also det and puu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
notice how it's listed under logical fallacies
nice you guys just got burned by wikipedia
also the people i've asked irl were all methodists except for two mormons. people online i'm not so sure about. one of them was vermanubis ;__;
at this point i dont care which sect i get the answer from i just want to know if anyone knows how to solve this dilemma i have in understanding why jesus would die for everyone's sins.
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 07:25:39 PM
nice you guys just got burned by wikipedia
or jusst facts
Quotealso the people i've asked irl were all methodists except for two mormons. people online i'm not so sure about. one of them was vermanubis ;__;
and they all said they don't know?
Quoteat this point i dont care which sect i get the answer from i just want to know if anyone knows how to solve this dilemma i have in understanding why jesus would die for everyone's sins.
the idea is that god loves us all and sent his only son to die for our sins.
but that just begs why god would curse humanity with sin
why he couldn't just forgive without the sacrifice
why he would create in the first place
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 07:32:43 PM
or jusst facts
About as factual as blind faith.
Quoteand they all said they don't know?
Funnyish story, actually. Vermanubis told me that if Hitler repented enough God would forgive him. I said "wut that's a little too much repentance". One of the mormons told me to go to temple, and the other said "cause the bible said so!" and then started freaking out about how it didn't make sense for the universe to have been created from the explosion of a pearl(he was attempting to talk about the big bang). and the rest mostly changed the subject, though a few tried at first and then gave up after I said, "but that still doesn't make sense".
Quote-the idea is that god loves us all and sent his only son to die for our sins.
-but that just begs why god would curse humanity with sin
-why he couldn't just forgive without the sacrifice
-why he would create in the first place
-actually i've heard that jesus was actually god incarnate but he's also god's son so maybe jesus's body is god's son but god inhabited the body to help with the miracle making
-because if there was no sin then why strive for paradise?
-cuz old testament god was angry rawwwr or maybe the jews were just jerks like the bible and quran say they were
-shut up emo kid
i don't know why you brought up that wikipedia thing, it's not even what i was saying
i never said i had faith because the bible said so
i have faith because i want to have it
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 07:12:05 PM
If Jesus died for everyone's sins, why do the rules set in the Bible matter? Couldn't I go around fornicating and butsexing everyone I see and then repent and then go to Heaven regardless?
uh are you truly sorry for your sins?
Yes I was merely a young horny man who liked to experiment with my fellow peers' buttholes
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 07:44:57 PM
Yes I was merely a young horny man who liked to experiment with my fellow peers' buttholes
So you are truly ashamed of what you did and want to be forgiven and want a clear conscious from it? And you will never do it again?
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 07:39:52 PM
About as factual as blind faith.
uh i don't see anything "in blind faith" about pointing out logical fallacies.
QuoteFunny story, actually. Vermanubis told me that if Hitler repented enough God would forgive him.
He's Catholic I think. That'd also make sense since he's from Massachusetts and New England has a lot of Catholics.
QuoteOne of the mormons told me to go to temple, and the other said "cause the bible said so!"
Mormons are idiots.
Quoteand then started freaking out about how it didn't make sense for the universe to have been created from the explosion of a pearl(he was attempting to talk about the big bang).
Idiots who don't understand anything.
Quoteand the rest mostly changed the subject, though a few tried at first and then gave up after I said, "but that still doesn't make sense".
They sound boring.
Quote-actually i've heard that jesus was actually god incarnate but he's also god's son so maybe jesus's body is god's son but god inhabited the body to help with the miracle making
once again depending on the sect
Quote-because if there was no sin then why strive for paradise?
god created man without sin.
Quote-cuz old testament god was angry rawwwr or maybe the jews were just jerks like the bible and quran say they were
and have big noses
Quote
-shut up emo kid
emo;
but also remember that argument to me is like saying 'why do unicorns wear red shoes'
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on June 05, 2009, 07:40:59 PM
i don't know why you brought up that wikipedia thing, it's not even what i was saying
because it's generally the argument used, hence it even being the example in the article
Quotei never said i had faith because the bible said so
i have faith because i want to have it
that isn't evidence or proof though. you can believe what you want but it doesn't make it factual.
i want to believe i can go faster than light but it doesn't make it true
Quoteuh are you truly sorry for your sins?
no akudood;
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 07:46:26 PM
god created man without sin.
uh adam and eve?
anyways i need to go pray to God see you later n_u
Quote from: RDX on June 05, 2009, 07:48:17 PM
uh adam and eve?
adam and lillith.
yes adam and eve were created without sin according to christian doctrine
Quoteanyways i need to go pray to God see you later n_u
how many times didy ou do it today
i think i'm in the position of disagreeing with both sides here akudood;
except i don't actually know what you guys are talking about now akudood;
Quote from: guff on June 05, 2009, 09:16:44 PM
i think i'm in the position of disagreeing with both sides here akudood;
except i don't actually know what you guys are talking about now akudood;
just agree with me i'm right guff
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 07:52:17 PM
adam and lillith.
yes adam and eve were created without sin according to christian doctrine
i guess you're right. that's odd, i thought all prophet stories in the bible and the quran were the same with the exception of job and all of the ones in the quran that arent in the bible
Quotehow many times didy ou do it today
4/5. I never do the fifth one. I just can't seem to make it a habit. One of these days...
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 09:29:52 PM
just agree with me i'm right guff
you are too combative and hostile akudood;
hell i'm just as much of an atheist but i can say things like "oh god lol" without having to point out that there is no god in fact i bet i believe in god even less than you do punk akudood;
Quote from: guff on June 05, 2009, 09:56:18 PM
you are too combative and hostile akudood;
hell i'm just as much of an atheist but i can say things like "oh god lol" without having to point out that there is no god in fact i bet i believe in god even less than you do punk akudood;
well you need to get throuh the circular reasoning.
i say oh god lol all the time without saying there is no god because god doesn't lol akudood;
oh yeah i believe in god the leastest
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 09:58:16 PM
well you need to get throuh the circular reasoning.
i say oh god lol all the time without saying there is no god because god doesn't lol akudood;
oh yeah i believe in god the leastest
by antagonizing them well how has that been working for you jim akudood;
yeah well when i eat breakfast i think about how much god doesn't exist akudood;
Quote from: guff on June 05, 2009, 10:08:24 PM
by antagonizing them well how has that been working for you jim akudood;
very well akudood;
Quote
yeah well when i eat breakfast i think about how much god doesn't exist akudood;
i don't believe so hard that i can make other things not exist akudood;
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 10:12:46 PM
very well akudood;
i don't believe so hard that i can make other things not exist akudood;
yeah sure that's why like five different people are ganging up on you akudood;
yeah well i'm so skeptical that i don't believe you akudood;
Quote from: guff on June 05, 2009, 10:28:51 PM
yeah sure that's why like five different people are ganging up on you akudood;
they're like wolves guff.
christian wolves and a muslim albino wolf akudood;
it works well for me because i still haven't heard an argument for a specific religion and what makes it more correct than another or evidence of such. five people have no provided it baddood;
Quote
yeah well i'm so skeptical that i don't believe you akudood;
i'm so atheistic that i am athiest. akudood;
Quote from: guff on June 05, 2009, 10:28:51 PM
yeah sure that's why like five different people are ganging up on you akudood;
the best part is when we get him in a corner and start beating him with crucifixes baddood;
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 10:35:00 PM
they're like wolves guff.
christian wolves and a muslim albino wolf akudood;
so i guess that would make you guys the sheep
boy you really walked into that one
Quote from: Bolivian Army on June 05, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
the best part is when we get him in a corner and start beating him with crucifixes baddood;
so i guess that would make you guys the sheep
boy you really walked into that one
actually im this bear
(http://imgur.com/jn0u9.jpg)
the muslim isn't here yet
so how i'm right behind you
moving in for the kill baddood;
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 11:33:24 PM
actually im this bear
(http://imgur.com/jn0u9.jpg)
the muslim isn't here yet
what's wrong with your fur
are you michael jackson
i think this thread dropped my iq by a few points
Quote from: Zach on June 06, 2009, 10:23:42 AM
i think this thread dropped my iq by a few points
facts burn them baddood;
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 02:35:13 PM
Their lack of proof and when confronted for evidence they bring up logical fallacies, try to dismiss the burden of proof, or basically go "lalalalalalala I can't hear you have an open mind" while refusing to even think that maybe their indoctrination is wrong. I'm almost certain that had you been born in Saudi Arabia instead of the southern US you'd be a Muslim. Had you been in New England and not the south you'd be a Catholic. You've convinced yourself that your beliefs about your god, your morals, your afterlife, your everything are right because the holy book says so. You ignore that you may have argued otherwise had you been born elsewhere.
Isn't New England mostly protestant?
Quote from: Crazy Fucking Raccoon on June 05, 2009, 10:35:00 PM
they're like wolves guff.
christian wolves and a muslim albino wolf akudood;
i was on your side asshole saddood;
Quote from: RDX on June 06, 2009, 03:41:39 PM
i was on your side asshole saddood;
dude i made you a fucking albino wolf that makes you badasser
Quote from: YPR on June 06, 2009, 11:50:42 AM
Isn't New England mostly protestant?
No
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Religions_of_the_US.PNG)
I'm not really sure how that works since Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, and Maine are the four least religious states. (http://www.gallup.com/poll/114022/State-States-Importance-Religion.aspx)
no this is me baddood;
(http://www.concoxions.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/t-rex.jpg)
god put you here to test my faith
no satan got bored so he made these giant lizards and hid them in the ground to trick you
you failed miserably