soooo today in english (which we dont have a teacher hired for yet -.-) the sub said something about how a long time ago in ny there was a girl raped and stabbed in a phone booth witnessed by like 100 people in some building and none of them did anything (has to do with good sumaritan law and bystander effect). Some girl started arguing about this that it was against the law if they didnt report it and the sub said that they could have got sued if they tried to help because the good SUMARITAN law is more for firemen and police men.....
I HOWEVER think that if im being raped and stabbed in a PHONEBOOTH would it just make sense that some instinct to perservere and survive would kick in and they would call 911
by the end of english lets just say i had no sympathy for the girl raped and stabbed...
Okay, first of all, the Good Samaritan law has nothing to do with this. It's a law that protects those who may accidentally cause injury or death whilst trying to help someone. For example, if a person accidentally breaks another's rib while saving them with CPR, they can't be charged. In essence, the law states that saving someone's life is far more important than worrying about injuring them.
Secondly, why would you not feel sympathy for someone who was repeatedly stabbed and raped? She did nothing to deserve it and nobody even helped her.
Thirdly, that girl in your class is retarded. The Good Samaritan law applies to everyone. And it doesn't constitute a requirement to save someone. It's not against the law to not help someone.
Fourthly, there's more to that story. One person reportedly yelled out his window telling the assailant to leave the girl alone, but it had no effect of course. The woman was NOT in a phonebooth. And, to make matters worse, after the guy walked away, feeling done with the poor girl, he came back in a while and did it again while she was laying there dying.
What am i signing my name too? doodthing;
Quote from: Kaz on September 17, 2008, 01:17:13 PM
Okay, first of all, the Good Samaritan law has nothing to do with this. It's a law that protects those who may accidentally cause injury or death whilst trying to help someone. For example, if a person accidentally breaks another's rib while saving them with CPR, they can't be charged. In essence, the law states that saving someone's life is far more important than worrying about injuring them.
Secondly, why would you not feel sympathy for someone who was repeatedly stabbed and raped? She did nothing to deserve it and nobody even helped her.
Thirdly, that girl in your class is retarded. The Good Samaritan law applies to everyone. And it doesn't constitute a requirement to save someone. It's not against the law to not help someone.
Fourthly, there's more to that story. One person reportedly yelled out his window telling the assailant to leave the girl alone, but it had no effect of course. The woman was NOT in a phonebooth. And, to make matters worse, after the guy walked away, feeling done with the poor girl, he came back in a while and did it again while she was laying there dying.
it was the teacher who brought up the good sumaritan law, shes the retard
and to my knowledge it was in a phone booth, but when i googled it 214124124 rape things came up, its possible that we could be talking about 2 different rapes...and i dont feel sympathy because she very well could have picked the phone up off the hook and tried to hit the man with it or just left it and called 911 and screamed...im assuming a phonebooth is a landline and can be traced not to mention that just because you're raped and stabbed doesnt mean that subconscious instincts etc fail....i mean if there was a person who was raped in the grass or something like that, i would sympathize, but the setting just doesnt exactly strike me as totally helpless...but then again i havent exactly seen the article, the phone could have been broken or something like that, or she could have been knocked out , IDK
What?
If 100 people passed by after she was stabbed and raped, wouldn't they have seen her being raped in the first place? The psychological instinct to ignore someone if they're in trouble usually has to do with not seeing the victim being hurt (i.e. hearing the screams through a 3rd story window), or just seeing the victim alone, either wounded or dead. In that case, people in crowds tend to pass the victims by. But not while the crime is being committed. And even if it was quick, the rape+stab couldn't have taken less than three to five minutes, in which case enough people wouldn't likely be able to ignore it for long. People might scream and scatter or something, but definitely wouldn't just pass by, and the police would be told.
Also, you can't be sued for helping someone, no court would hold that kind of decision where someone broke past the psychological stigma to keep moving and actually helped the person, even if legislature dictates otherwise (which I don't believe it does).
Your logical path to having no sympathy discounts the fact that she was a) raped, which is a psychologically and physically traumatizing experience that causes huge amounts of mental and physical pain, and then b) stabbed, and I'd imagine it's easy enough to stab a vital point in a space as small as a phone booth. We can at least assume that the woman is physically broken, mentally broken, and has a gaping stab wound where she shouldn't. You wouldn't have her try to drag her carcass outside of the phone booth for help, would you? And by your depiction of the crowd, no one would help her anyway. And it's ludicris to think she could manage to lift herself up to call 911 (although, thankfully, she was in the phonebooth).
Anyway, your description of the situation makes no sense, your understanding of the psychology and legislature behind this kind of event is flawed, and your lack of sympathy is based on expectations of her that she simply could not meet.
This is a tragedy; that she was raped and stabbed in the first place, but moreover that no one helped her. She is in no way at fault in the situation you described.
This is the most fucked up thing I've ever heard. :'(
Quote from: LJTL on September 17, 2008, 01:29:08 PM
it was the teacher who brought up the good sumaritan law, shes the retard
and to my knowledge it was in a phone booth, but when i googled it 214124124 rape things came up, its possible that we could be talking about 2 different rapes...and i dont feel sympathy because she very well could have picked the phone up off the hook and tried to hit the man with it or just left it and called 911 and screamed...im assuming a phonebooth is a landline and can be traced not to mention that just because you're raped and stabbed doesnt mean that subconscious instincts etc fail....i mean if there was a person who was raped in the grass or something like that, i would sympathize, but the setting just doesnt exactly strike me as totally helpless...but then again i havent exactly seen the article, the phone could have been broken or something like that, or she could have been knocked out , IDK
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So you're saying that if you're being stabbed and raped in a phone booth, you're going to try to make a call and risk your life even further?
Reminds me of the short story, "38 Saw Murder, Didn't Call Police" (Or something to that effect), and based on what Kaz said, I think they might be the same...
Nobody "passed by." People heard and saw from their apartments, as far as I remember.
PEOPLE! i know what the sumaritan law is, i learned about it in health last when getting certified, because some people might not be able to give consent and stuff, and im not sure if it was 100 or not! this is what the other people said in the class! im just quoting it! and i agree that if she was stabbed in a vital spot then she wouldnt be able to get up or call for help, but i mean unless it was her heart or throat or maybe some tendons in her heel or something she would have been able to somehow grab the phone 2 or 3 feet above her and call for help. I mean i saw something on this show called i survived where a woman was raped and shot like 4 times in some field AND SHE GOT UP AND WENT TO SOME HOUSE FOR HELP! its also not psychological instinct to ignore someone in trouble, that would be a learned behavior/stimulus response(maybe).
sorry i hit some keys and it autoposted, i edited though
HELP HELP. HE'S SHOVING HIS PEENY IN MY BUTTHOLE.
I'd sit there and watch. doodthing;
Quote from: LJTL on September 17, 2008, 02:26:50 PM
PEOPLE! i know what the sumaritan law is, i learned about it in health last when getting certified, because some people might not be able to give consent and stuff, and im not sure if it was 100 or not! this is what the other people said in the class! im just quoting it! and i agree that if she was stabbed in a vital spot then she wouldnt be able to get up or call for help, but i mean unless it was her heart or throat or maybe some tendons in her heel or something she would have been able to somehow grab the phone 2 or 3 feet above her and call for help. I mean i saw something on this show called i survived where a woman was raped and shot like 4 times in some field AND SHE GOT UP AND WENT TO SOME HOUSE FOR HELP! its also not psychological instinct to ignore someone in trouble, that would be a learned behavior/stimulus response(maybe).
lol
Also, the guy was right in the booth with her. I doubt he'd be like "Okay, make you're call, I'll just wait until you're finished".
Who cares what you're quoting? The fact is that it's wrong, because she wasn't in a booth. She was next to her house. She was raped and stabbed repeatedly over the course of at least an hour. When you're losing blood that fast, you lose your energy and find it pretty much impossible to just get up and get help.
The fact of the matter is that there's no reason to not feel sorry for her. I don't see where you think you can get with this discussion.
LOLS what if some random person was like " baddood;" and dragged them both out to use the telephone, and the murderer just ignored him and kept killing da gurl.
i fucking care what im quoting because you've all told me what the fucking good sumaritan law is when i already knew what it was. and i dont understand what article you're reading because ours had a woman raped in a phone booth! and so what you lose more blood when stabbed than when shot? i mean if someone can be shot multiple times and still get up and go get help IM PRETTY SURE THIS GIRL COULD GET THE FUCK UP AND GO GET HELP TOO!
Quote from: LJTL on September 17, 2008, 03:26:44 PM
i fucking care what im quoting because you've all told me what the fucking good sumaritan law is when i already knew what it was. and i dont understand what article you're reading because ours had a woman raped in a phone booth! and so what you lose more blood when stabbed than when shot? i mean if someone can be shot multiple times and still get up and go get help IM PRETTY SURE THIS GIRL COULD GET THE FUCK UP AND GO GET HELP TOO!
A stab wound is usually bigger than a bullet wound. And maybe she wasn't shot in any vital areas. And how the hell can you not understand that, if they were in fact in a phone booth, the rapist would never let her touch the phone?
Quote from: LJTL on September 17, 2008, 03:26:44 PM
i fucking care what im quoting because you've all told me what the fucking good sumaritan law is when i already knew what it was. and i dont understand what article you're reading because ours had a woman raped in a phone booth! and so what you lose more blood when stabbed than when shot? i mean if someone can be shot multiple times and still get up and go get help IM PRETTY SURE THIS GIRL COULD GET THE FUCK UP AND GO GET HELP TOO!
You told us that you were told about the event, not that it was in an article. If this was a different event, then I can understand. But the way you originally told it made it seem like you simply got it wrong and that it was actually the usual story that's used for an example of the bystander effect, which is the story I mentioned.
And I told you what the law was because you didn't seem to understand that it has little to do with this event and the girl in your class was wrong about it.
You have to realize that when people realize they're dying, they give up. It's not just a biological thing. It's a state of mind that is extremely common. You can't expect someone to call for help when they know they're not going to survive.
If she really was in a phone booth, then of course she could have tried, but not only are the chances of her getting help fast enough extremely slim, but she probably wouldn't have felt the drive to try.
Quote from: TECTRON on September 17, 2008, 03:31:26 PM
And how the hell can you not understand that, if they were in fact in a phone booth, the rapist would never let her touch the phone?
That too, unless of course she still lived for a long time after the rapist left.
Quote from: Kaz on September 17, 2008, 03:33:08 PM
That too, unless of course she still lived for a long time after the rapist left.
And still had the ability to reach the phone, dial the number and speak.
Quote from: Kaz on September 17, 2008, 03:33:08 PM
If she really was in a phone booth, then of course she could have tried, but not only are the chances of her getting help fast enough extremely slim, but she probably wouldn't have felt the drive to try.
this is what i've been telling him. baddood;
and wth, men are stronger that women as well. so its not really fair strength-wise either.
Quote from: TECTRON on September 17, 2008, 03:36:31 PM
And still had the ability to reach the phone, dial the number and speak.
Which is unlikely considering the immense pain, loss of energy, and a diminishing will to survive.
I once saw a video of an event where a man was stabbing his girlfriend repeatedly on the sidewalk and at first not many people noticed (except the pussy filming it) but once someone got close enough to see she was being stabbed, he went up and kicked the guy off her and pinned him down on the ground. But the girl couldn't move, because the pain basically immobilized her. She couldn't get him off her. She tried somewhat, yes, but she was so weak that she couldn't do much at all.
Quote from: Kaz on September 17, 2008, 03:40:12 PM
Which is unlikely considering the immense pain, loss of energy, and a diminishing will to survive.
I once saw a video of an event where a man was stabbing his girlfriend repeatedly on the sidewalk and at first not many people noticed (except the pussy filming it) but once someone got close enough to see she was being stabbed, he went up and kicked the guy off her and pinned him down on the ground. But the girl couldn't move, because the pain basically immobilized her. She couldn't get him off her. She tried somewhat, yes, but she was so weak that she couldn't do much at all.
Where was this video?
Did the girl live?
And I don't understand how you couldn't feel sorry for her.psyduck;
WHY DID YOU BRING THIS BACK UP!
Quote from: Che Guevara on September 17, 2008, 02:42:05 PM
HELP HELP. HE'S SHOVING HIS PEENY IN MY BUTTHOLE.
I'd sit there and watch. doodthing;
I don't know how in the world you find rape pleasurable.
Quote from: Cam on September 18, 2008, 05:48:29 PM
Where was this video?
Did the girl live?
I don't remember where I saw it...and yeah, I believe she did live.
Quote from: Ezlo on September 18, 2008, 06:07:55 PM
I don't know how in the world you find rape pleasurable.
It's actually because it's as close to sex as he'll ever get.