is this just me, or do you agree?

[laskfn]

soooo today in english (which we dont have a teacher hired for yet -.-) the sub said something about how a long time ago in ny there was a girl raped and stabbed in a phone booth witnessed by like 100 people in some building and none of them did anything (has to do with good sumaritan law and bystander effect). Some girl started arguing about this that it was against the law if they didnt report it and the sub said that they could have got sued if they tried to help because the good SUMARITAN law is more for firemen and police men.....

I HOWEVER think that if im being raped and stabbed in a PHONEBOOTH would it just make sense that some instinct to perservere and survive would kick in and they would call 911

by the end of english lets just say i had no sympathy for the girl raped and stabbed...

[Samus Aran]

Okay, first of all, the Good Samaritan law has nothing to do with this. It's a law that protects those who may accidentally cause injury or death whilst trying to help someone. For example, if a person accidentally breaks another's rib while saving them with CPR, they can't be charged. In essence, the law states that saving someone's life is far more important than worrying about injuring them.

Secondly, why would you not feel sympathy for someone who was repeatedly stabbed and raped? She did nothing to deserve it and nobody even helped her.

Thirdly, that girl in your class is retarded. The Good Samaritan law applies to everyone. And it doesn't constitute a requirement to save someone. It's not against the law to not help someone.

Fourthly, there's more to that story. One person reportedly yelled out his window telling the assailant to leave the girl alone, but it had no effect of course. The woman was NOT in a phonebooth. And, to make matters worse, after the guy walked away, feeling done with the poor girl, he came back in a while and did it again while she was laying there dying.

[Beta]

What am i signing my name too?

[laskfn]

Okay, first of all, the Good Samaritan law has nothing to do with this. It's a law that protects those who may accidentally cause injury or death whilst trying to help someone. For example, if a person accidentally breaks another's rib while saving them with CPR, they can't be charged. In essence, the law states that saving someone's life is far more important than worrying about injuring them.

Secondly, why would you not feel sympathy for someone who was repeatedly stabbed and raped? She did nothing to deserve it and nobody even helped her.

Thirdly, that girl in your class is retarded. The Good Samaritan law applies to everyone. And it doesn't constitute a requirement to save someone. It's not against the law to not help someone.

Fourthly, there's more to that story. One person reportedly yelled out his window telling the assailant to leave the girl alone, but it had no effect of course. The woman was NOT in a phonebooth. And, to make matters worse, after the guy walked away, feeling done with the poor girl, he came back in a while and did it again while she was laying there dying.

it was the teacher who brought up the good sumaritan law, shes the retard

and to my knowledge it was in a phone booth, but when i googled it 214124124 rape things came up, its possible that we could be talking about 2 different rapes...and i dont feel sympathy because she very well could have picked the phone up off the hook and tried to hit the man with it or just left it and called 911 and screamed...im assuming a phonebooth is a landline and can be traced not to mention that just because you're raped and stabbed doesnt mean that subconscious instincts etc fail....i mean if there was a person who was raped in the grass or something like that, i would sympathize, but the setting just doesnt exactly strike me as totally helpless...but then again i havent exactly seen the article, the phone could have been broken or something like that, or she could have been knocked out , IDK

[the shortest route to the sea]

What?

If 100 people passed by after she was stabbed and raped, wouldn't they have seen her being raped in the first place? The psychological instinct to ignore someone if they're in trouble usually has to do with not seeing the victim being hurt (i.e. hearing the screams through a 3rd story window), or just seeing the victim alone, either wounded or dead. In that case, people in crowds tend to pass the victims by. But not while the crime is being committed. And even if it was quick, the rape+stab couldn't have taken less than three to five minutes, in which case enough people wouldn't likely be able to ignore it for long. People might scream and scatter or something, but definitely wouldn't just pass by, and the police would be told.

Also, you can't be sued for helping someone, no court would hold that kind of decision where someone broke past the psychological stigma to keep moving and actually helped the person, even if legislature dictates otherwise (which I don't believe it does).

Your logical path to having no sympathy discounts the fact that she was a) raped, which is a psychologically and physically traumatizing experience that causes huge amounts of mental and physical pain, and then b) stabbed, and I'd imagine it's easy enough to stab a vital point in a space as small as a phone booth. We can at least assume that the woman is physically broken, mentally broken, and has a gaping stab wound where she shouldn't. You wouldn't have her try to drag her carcass outside of the phone booth for help, would you? And by your depiction of the crowd, no one  would help her anyway. And it's ludicris to think she could manage to lift herself up to call 911 (although, thankfully, she was in the phonebooth).

Anyway, your description of the situation makes no sense, your understanding of the psychology and legislature behind this kind of event is flawed, and your lack of sympathy is based on expectations of her that she simply could not meet.

This is a tragedy; that she was raped and stabbed in the first place, but moreover that no one helped her. She is in no way at fault in the situation you described.

[Kalahari Inkantation]

This is the most fucked up thing I've ever heard. :'(

[Kalahari Inkantation]

it was the teacher who brought up the good sumaritan law, shes the retard

and to my knowledge it was in a phone booth, but when i googled it 214124124 rape things came up, its possible that we could be talking about 2 different rapes...and i dont feel sympathy because she very well could have picked the phone up off the hook and tried to hit the man with it or just left it and called 911 and screamed...im assuming a phonebooth is a landline and can be traced not to mention that just because you're raped and stabbed doesnt mean that subconscious instincts etc fail....i mean if there was a person who was raped in the grass or something like that, i would sympathize, but the setting just doesnt exactly strike me as totally helpless...but then again i havent exactly seen the article, the phone could have been broken or something like that, or she could have been knocked out , IDK

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So you're saying that if you're being stabbed and raped in a phone booth, you're going to try to make a call and risk your life even further?

[Kingmush]

Reminds me of the short story, "38 Saw Murder, Didn't Call Police" (Or something to that effect), and based on what Kaz said, I think they might be the same...

[Samus Aran]

Nobody "passed by." People heard and saw from their apartments, as far as I remember.

[laskfn]

PEOPLE! i know what the sumaritan law is, i learned about it in health last when getting certified, because some people might not be able to give consent and stuff, and im not sure if it was 100 or not! this is what the other people said in the class! im just quoting it! and i agree that if she was stabbed in a vital spot then she wouldnt be able to get up or call for help, but i mean unless it was her heart or throat or maybe some tendons in her heel or something she would have been able to somehow grab the phone 2 or 3 feet above her and call for help. I mean i saw something on this show called i survived where a woman was raped and shot like 4 times in some field AND SHE GOT UP AND WENT TO SOME HOUSE FOR HELP! its also not psychological instinct to ignore someone in trouble, that would be a learned behavior/stimulus response(maybe).

[Samus Aran]

PEOPLE!

What?

[laskfn]

sorry i hit some keys and it autoposted, i edited though

[Beta]

HELP HELP. HE'S SHOVING HIS PEENY IN MY BUTTHOLE.

I'd sit there and watch. 

[Kalahari Inkantation]

PEOPLE! i know what the sumaritan law is, i learned about it in health last when getting certified, because some people might not be able to give consent and stuff, and im not sure if it was 100 or not! this is what the other people said in the class! im just quoting it! and i agree that if she was stabbed in a vital spot then she wouldnt be able to get up or call for help, but i mean unless it was her heart or throat or maybe some tendons in her heel or something she would have been able to somehow grab the phone 2 or 3 feet above her and call for help. I mean i saw something on this show called i survived where a woman was raped and shot like 4 times in some field AND SHE GOT UP AND WENT TO SOME HOUSE FOR HELP! its also not psychological instinct to ignore someone in trouble, that would be a learned behavior/stimulus response(maybe).

lol

Also, the guy was right in the booth with her. I doubt he'd be like "Okay, make you're call, I'll just wait until you're finished".

[Samus Aran]

Who cares what you're quoting? The fact is that it's wrong, because she wasn't in a booth. She was next to her house. She was raped and stabbed repeatedly over the course of at least an hour. When you're losing blood that fast, you lose your energy and find it pretty much impossible to just get up and get help.

The fact of the matter is that there's no reason to not feel sorry for her. I don't see where you think you can get with this discussion.