My family is very liberal,and I was always taught that people out where I live don't understand politics the same way members of my family do,but I don't really know what to believe, I'm so confused.
No, being conservative is.
It is. Liberals want to bring Communism into the US. Don't let your dirty commie bastard family trick you!
if u be a conservative like me son ill giv u my manshun
Being liberal is only a bad thing if you only allow yourself to play by the left side rather than somewhere in the middle. Otherwise, don't worry about it.
Believe what you think is right, and if you're not sure, look into it and think about it again. Being strictly liberal or conservative is stupid.
duh
Quote from: Karel101 on April 24, 2008, 01:39:29 PM
Believe what you think is right, and if you're not sure, look into it and think about it again. Being strictly liberal or conservative is stupid.
duh
Karl wins the thread.
Quote from: Andrew1911 on April 24, 2008, 01:38:09 PM
It is. Liberals want to bring Communism into the US. Don't let your dirty commie bastard family trick you!
I've always been taught liberal Ideas, they seem good...I just never understood if they're was some greater good to being conservative that I just wasn't seeing.There's some conservative qualities that seem cool too...
Quote from: KAZOOIE-BANJO on April 24, 2008, 01:39:08 PM
Being liberal is only a bad thing if you only allow yourself to play by the left side rather than somewhere in the middle. Otherwise, don't worry about it.
Same thing goes for conservatives?
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 01:38:02 PM
No, being conservative is.
eye aggre
Quote from: Way down in the hole. on April 24, 2008, 01:40:15 PM
I've always been taught liberal Ideas, they seem good...I just never understood if they're was some greater good to being conservative that I just wasn't seeing.
liberal=freedom
freedom=American
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 01:38:02 PM
No, being conservative is.
He might take that seriously.
In any case, I hate such labels because they cannot fully describe a person an only divide groups into mobs that bitch and whine at each other. But no, you look at what you believe in and then find a term that best applies, but use that only a reference and don't take it too literally.
I'll tell you what though, fucking Communists suck and Anarchists.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 01:41:44 PM
I'll tell you what though, fucking Communists suck and Anarchists.
Communism is the greatest. You are just ignorant. Don't make me get the secret police to silence you.
Quote from: Andrew1911 on April 24, 2008, 01:43:48 PM
Communism is the greatest. You are just ignorant. Don't make me get the secret police to silence you.
Before or after my family has been killed?
Quote from: Way down in the hole. on April 24, 2008, 01:40:15 PM
Same thing goes for conservatives?
Yes. Like Karel said, playing by just one of the sides is stupid.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 01:41:44 PM
He might take that seriously.
In any case, I hate such labels because they cannot fully describe a person an only divide groups into mobs that bitch and whine at each other. But no, you look at what you believe in and then find a term that best applies, but use that only a reference and don't take it too literally.
I'll tell you what though, fucking Communists suck and Anarchists.
labels are applied to best sum up a stance
I'm quite liberal but do have a few, very few conservative ideals.
Commies are okay but anarchists are stupid.
Quote from: Lawlz on April 24, 2008, 01:45:18 PM
labels are applied to best sum up a stance
I'm quite liberal but do have a few, very few conservative ideals.
Commies are okay but anarchists are stupid.
My brother has always told me true communism has never been achieved, and never will be so trying to practice it is pointless.
I started pondering myself and it seems like a good idea in theory, but no one can execute it properly...
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 01:44:32 PM
Before or after my family has been killed?
At the same time, of course. : |
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 01:41:44 PM
He might take that seriously.
Good.
Quote
I'll tell you what though, fucking Communists suck and Anarchists.
wat
i'm a values voter baddood;
ps capitalism sucks
pps communism sucks almost as much
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 01:47:35 PM
Good.
You better be joking mister.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 01:47:35 PM
wat
They suck, it's a terrible, and historically proven as such, way of societal thought and living. But given that we are in this great democratic republic of ours I wont kill you for your thoughts as you are entitled to them.
2 LEGS BAD 4 LEGS GOOD
Be independent.
Liberals suck, republicans suck, and that's all there is to it.
If you believe what you believe then you're fine.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
You better be joking mister.
I'm not. Though I am referring more to moral conservatives and not fiscal conservatives.
Quote
They suck, it's a terrible, and historically proven as such, way of societal thought and living. But given that we are in this great democratic republic of ours I wont kill you for your thoughts as you are entitled to them.
are you saying communism doesn't have democracy.
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 01:50:38 PM
Be independent.
Liberals suck, republicans suck, and that's all there is to it.
If you believe what you believe then you're fine.
wat
I thought the only thing being independent meant was that you don't belong to a certain party, I thought they could be liberal or conservative.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 01:52:16 PM
are you saying communism doesn't have democracy.
yeah you can vote just so long as you vote for the only candidate who's running
Quote from: Way down in the hole. on April 24, 2008, 01:52:24 PM
wat
I thought the only thing being independent meant was that you don't belong to a certain party, I thought they could be liberal or conservative.
I meant don't be republican or democrat.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 01:52:16 PM
I'm not. Though I am referring more to moral conservatives and not fiscal conservatives.
That's such a self defeating view, there are some things about conservatism that I don't agree with, but to champion being a liberal as if it's toasted bread is just as funny.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 01:52:16 PM
are you saying communism doesn't have democracy.
I'm simply basing my decision on what I've seen from Communism historically, if you want to talk theoretics, then I propose Socksism.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on April 24, 2008, 01:56:42 PM
yeah you can vote just so long as you vote for the only candidate who's running
i had completely forgotten that a corrupted ideal raped by the U.S.S.R. was the same thing as what communism wasn't meant to be
but yeah communism sucks lol i was just saying it wasn't implicitly non democratic. my quoting of his post was pointing out a grammatical error
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 01:57:38 PM
That's such a self defeating view, there are some things about conservatism that I don't agree with, but to champion being a liberal as if it's toasted bread is just as funny.
like the whole intolerance of others thing?
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:00:43 PM
like the whole intolerance of others thing?
That's called ignorance, it has nothing to do with being a conservative or liberal as both can be guilty of such. You, a liberal, are intolerant of religious people, what does that make you?
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 02:03:03 PM
That's called ignorance, it has nothing to do with being a conservative or liberal as both can be guilty of such. You, a liberal, are intolerant of religious people, what does that make you?
What?
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 02:03:03 PM
That's called ignorance, it has nothing to do with being a conservative or liberal as both can be guilty of such. You, a liberal, are intolerant of religious people, what does that make you?
huh
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 02:03:03 PM
That's called ignorance, it has nothing to do with being a conservative or liberal as both can be guilty of such. You, a liberal, are intolerant of religious people, what does that make you?
I'm not intolerant of religious people. I have no problem with people who believe in God. It's those who go around preaching hatred of others that do not conform with their beliefs that I have a problem with. Those are the "christfags" I refer to. Hating their beliefs does not equate hating the person.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:05:06 PM
It's those who go around preaching hatred of others that do not conform with their beliefs that I have a problem with.
And what were you doing when you implied that being a Conservative was bad or wrong? Face it, it's pointless to argue about one point of view being superior to another, in this case, both have bad and good qualities, which ones you choose to adopt are what defines you, not some silly label.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 02:05:48 PM
I don't know what you're confused about.
I was confused about you calling him intolerant, JMV has never really shown any dislike of religious people in general, just christfags and people like them.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 02:07:47 PM
And what were you doing when you implied that being a Conservative was bad or wrong?
I was implying that intolerance was wrong.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:09:33 PM
I was implying that intolerance was wrong.
Oh very clever but its circle logic I'm afraid, further demonstrating, pardon me, your ignorance in assuming that all conservatives are "intolerant". And then justifying your own personal intolerance based on that.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 02:11:15 PM
Oh very clever but its circle logic I'm afraid, further demonstrating, pardon me, your ignorance in assuming that all conservatives are "intolerant". And then justifying your own personal intolerance based on that.
Moral conservatives are. Unless I missed the memo where not allowing equal rights for homosexuals and such was now tolerance.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:15:29 PM
Moral conservatives are. Unless I missed the memo where not allowing equal rights for homosexuals and such was now tolerance.
I sent it to you last week,the fuck are you talking about?
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 01:57:38 PM...then I propose Socksism.
Does this plan call for the aquiring of new land and the resurrection of Douglas MacArthur? befuddlement
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:15:29 PM
Moral conservatives are. Unless I missed the memo where not allowing equal rights for homosexuals and such was now tolerance.
Oh getting selective now I see, and all who would define themselves conservative are automatically against gay rights?
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 02:22:39 PM
Oh getting selective now I see, and all who would define themselves conservative are automatically against gay rights?
"or such", they might be against a woman's right to choose. They might be against the rights of those who might not fit in with the lifestyle they were brought up to accept.
If they aren't, then they aren't conservative.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:29:38 PM
"or such", they might be against a woman's right to choose. They might be against the rights of those who might not fit in with the lifestyle they were brought up to accept.
All of those in the extreme I would object to, but not all of those are automatically "wrong" because you think so. I can defend my stance on why I think most forms of abortion should be unacceptable, and that's fine. It does not correlate to me being a bad person or intolerant of others.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:29:38 PM
If they aren't, then they aren't conservative.
Probably not.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 02:34:00 PM
All of those in the extreme I would object to, but not all of those are automatically "wrong" because you think so. I can defend my stance on why I think most forms of abortion should be unacceptable, and that's fine. It does not correlate to me being a bad person or intolerant of others.
In which you personally don't get an abortion. Don't rally to punish those who get one just because you are against it. No one is forcing people to get abortions.
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Probably not.
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Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
In which you personally don't get an abortion.
No I cannot get an abortion.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
Don't rally to punish those who get one just because you are against it.
And why punish those that are on their way to being born for your own actions?
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
No one is forcing people to get abortions.
Too bad they're forcing something into dying.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
In which you personally don't get an abortion. Don't rally to punish those who get one just because you are against it. No one is forcing people to get abortions.
Probably not.
no one forced the bitch to get pregnant in the first place.
(aside from rape of course)
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 02:46:58 PM
No I cannot get an abortion.
But the girl you impregnate can.
QuoteAnd why punish those that are on their way to being born for your own actions?
Because they're not alive.
Quote
Too bad they're forcing something into dying.
One needs to be alive prior to dying.
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 02:50:02 PM
no one forced the bitch to get pregnant in the first place.
In which she reserves the choice to terminate the pregnancy.
i like guns
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
In which you personally don't get an abortion. Don't rally to punish those who get one just because you are against it. No one is forcing people to get abortions.
The Chinese are
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:03:32 PM
But the girl you impregnate can.
If I impregnate a girl I'll make damn sure she does not.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:03:32 PM
Because they're not alive.
Oh I disagree, they are alive, it's just morally convenient for some to think otherwise.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:03:32 PM
One needs to be alive prior to dying.
How convenient, "I'm not gonna let you live, therefore you can't technically die". BS, call it what it is, convenient murder. Maybe in some cases it could be a necessary evil, but an evil no less.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on April 24, 2008, 03:08:02 PM
The Chinese are
No they aren't. They have a one child policy(which I don't know if it is even still around), and there is birth control. Even if you have a second child I'm almost certain you only get hit with a fine(maybe jail time). I'm almost certain that they aren't forcing anyone to have an abortion.
Also, China is infamous for their violations of human rights and I was referring to a situation in the USA.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 03:12:10 PM
If I impregnate a girl I'll make damn sure she does not.
That's a keeper.
QuoteOh I disagree, they are alive, it's just morally convenient for some to think otherwise.
how so?
QuoteHow convenient, "I'm not gonna let you live, therefore you can't technically die". BS, call it what it is, convenient murder. Maybe in some cases it could be a necessary evil, but an evil no less.
Or the fact that a fetus isn't alive. I dunno.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:17:28 PM
No they aren't. They have a one child policy(which I don't know if it is even still around), and there is birth control. Even if you have a second child I'm almost certain you only get hit with a fine(maybe jail time). I'm almost certain that they aren't forcing anyone to have an abortion.
Also, China is infamous for their violations of human rights and I was referring to a situation in the USA.
You can tell that to my Chinese friends. They were trying to force the mother to abort their second child, so they had to go into hiding while the father came over here to try to gain residency for them.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on April 24, 2008, 03:19:45 PM
You can tell that to my Chinese friends. They were trying to force the mother to abort their second child, so they had to go into hiding while the father came over here to try to gain residency for them.
ok apparently it does oops
still doesn't change the fact that it's not forced here in the us.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:03:32 PM
Because they're not alive.
if a carrot is alive, a fetus that is about to be born is certainly alive.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:17:28 PM
Also, China is infamous for their violations of human rights and I was referring to a situation in the USA.
Is it China the country that if you are sentenced to death, they shoot you then bill your family for the bullet?
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 03:29:51 PM
Is it China the country that if you are sentenced to death, they shoot you then bill your family for the bullet?
No, that's the USA in the form of taxation.
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 03:27:44 PM
if a carrot is alive, a fetus that is about to be born is certainly alive.
You're comparing a fetus to a vegetable yet defending a pro-life stance?
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:17:28 PM
Or the fact that a fetus isn't alive. I dunno.
So it's dead as a rock up until that last minute when it is out of the uterus and then magically comes to life in a second? Man, looks like I was wrong.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:31:37 PM
You're comparing a fetus to a vegetable yet defending a pro-life stance?
That was a bad analogy.
Basically what I was saying is that the fetus is definitely TECHNICALLY 'alive'. Whether it has rights or not, well that's pretty obvious...
It's alive, so it does.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 03:32:27 PM
So it's dead as a rock up until that last minute when it is out of the uterus and then magically comes to life in a second? Man, looks like I was wrong.
More like until around the beginning of the third trimester when it starts having a functioning brain.
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 03:33:14 PM
That was a bad analogy.
Basically what I was saying is that the fetus is definitely TECHNICALLY 'alive'. Whether it has rights or not, well that's pretty obvious...
It's alive, so it does.
So is cancer.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:34:28 PM
More like until around the beginning of the third trimester when it starts having a functioning brain.
To me it's the same morally but let me ask you this, you are against abortions after that point?
i'm a values voter baddood;
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:34:28 PM
So is cancer.
That was almost as bad as my carrot analogy
cancer isn't going to potentially lead a meaningful life. it's just gonna kill someone.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 03:39:20 PM
To me it's the same morally but let me ask you this, you are against abortions after that point?
Unless there is a real reason such as giving birth causing death to the mother or it being found that the child would have a low possibility of actually surviving, no.
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 03:40:40 PM
That was almost as bad as my carrot analogy
Except I'm not the one who is pro-life
Quotecancer isn't going to potentially lead a meaningful life. it's just gonna kill someone.
what if it's benign.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:44:23 PM
what if it's benign.
Has a benign tumor ever led a happy life? lol doodhuh;
Go to the thread in Serious Discussion or get back on topic.
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 03:46:16 PM
Has a benign tumor ever led a happy life? lol doodhuh;
no, because it's not anymore alive than a fetus.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:48:14 PM
no, because it's not anymore alive than a fetus.
but will it ever be alive?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on April 24, 2008, 03:48:04 PM
Go to the thread in Serious Discussion or get back on topic.
srsly
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 03:46:16 PM
Has a benign tumor ever led a happy life? lol doodhuh;
one of my best tumors got hit by a car and died
and to think he had only metastasized a few days earlier :'(
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 03:49:12 PM
but will it ever be alive?
If you're going to live life based on something's potential you might as well stop eating and start having sex as much as possible.
One of your sperms might have the potential to develop into a president, you don't want to miss that chance. You don't want to eat. The thing you eat might be the one that furthers the species' evolution. You don't want that.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:54:03 PM
If you're going to live life based on something's potential you might as well stop eating and start having sex as much as possible.
One of your sperms might have the potential to develop into a president, you don't want to miss that chance. You don't want to eat. The thing you eat might be the one that furthers the species' evolution. You don't want that.
Of course it's impossible to salvage every single thing possible of being a benefit, but to blatantly kill something that can be a HUGE benefit is something you can avoid.
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 03:59:30 PM
Of course it's impossible to salvage every single thing possible of being a benefit, but to blatantly kill something that can be a HUGE benefit is something you can avoid.
How can you be so sure that it would be a "huge benefit"?
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 03:44:23 PM
Unless there is a real reason such as giving birth causing death to the mother or it being found that the child would have a low possibility of actually surviving, no.
You mean yes?
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 04:01:39 PM
How can you be so sure that it would be a "huge benefit"?
as long as it doesn't grow up to be a mass murderer, I consider any human life to be a huge benefit.
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 04:04:18 PM
as long as it doesn't grow up to be a mass murderer
BUT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY ISN'T IT baddood;
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 04:03:50 PM
You mean yes?
Oops. baddood; Yeah
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 04:04:18 PM
as long as it doesn't grow up to be a mass murderer, I consider any human life to be a huge benefit.
And if you knew your child had the possibility to become a mass murderer, would you abort it?
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 04:08:33 PM
And if you knew your child had the possibility to become a mass murderer, would you abort it?
this is getting pretty far-fetched and irrelevant, but probably not.
I would probably just try my best to raise it to NOT become a mass murderer.
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 04:11:32 PM
I would probably just try my best to raise it to NOT become a mass murderer.
They're some people who're just fucked up in the head.
Totalitarianism is best. baddood;
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 24, 2008, 04:11:32 PM
this is getting pretty far-fetched and irrelevant, but probably not.
How is it irrelevant?
QuoteI would probably just try my best to raise it to NOT become a mass murderer.
I don't think that approach worked for the parents of previous murderers.
Quote from: JMV on April 24, 2008, 04:14:21 PM
I don't think that approach worked for the parents of previous murderers.
They did everything they could for Mike Myers. >.<
Quote from: Jester on April 24, 2008, 04:13:29 PM
Totalitarianism is best. baddood;
no libertarianism
no communism
no anarchism
no socksism
Quote from: Way down in the hole. on April 24, 2008, 04:13:13 PM
They're some people who're just fucked up in the head.
True.
I suppose I would abort it then. If I was absolutely sure this gypsy freak or wherever I am getting this incredible prophecy from is a reliable source. baddood;
This is getting dumb now and way of track, what if you knew said mass murderer would indirectly inspire the greatest human effort to reduce violence via his actions? See how pointless such a discussion is? You can't make blanket statements because Chaos Theory does not work like that.
yeah and you know who else was aborted?
hitler
Quote from: Van De Kamp on April 24, 2008, 04:15:45 PM
no libertarianism
no communism
no anarchism
no socksism
no
apocalypticism
capitalism
psilanthropism
thanatism
baddood;
isms
I can't even argue with Jester, he's too effective via the funny.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 04:23:50 PM
I can't even argue with Jester, he's too effective via the funny.
Superman practices perfectibilism
THE MORE YOU KNOW
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 04:18:29 PM
This is getting dumb now and way of track, what if you knew said mass murderer would indirectly inspire the greatest human effort to reduce violence via his actions? See how pointless such a discussion is? You can't make blanket statements because Chaos Theory does not work like that.
ok?
Don't be a leftard or a rightard.
Think what you think, really, and don't try to be like all the other mindless fuck kinda voters.
im a communist american
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Also, after reading the thread:
1) True communism has never happened; Stalin and his cult of personality fucked up the USSR. True communism can't happen because human nature goes against it.
2) Although I don't like abortions at all, here's why I'm pro-choice: y'know what would happen if a baby couldn't be aborted? It'd end up an orphan, or end up in a shitty home. How would you like to be that kid who, to his parents, is nothing but a mistake and that unaborted fetus no one wants around? I'm with Hillary on abortion, I don't like it, but I understand that it should be legal.
Quote from: Co-Z on April 25, 2008, 02:47:58 PM
Also, after reading the thread:
1) True communism has never happened; Stalin and his cult of personality fucked up the USSR. True communism can't happen because human nature goes against it.
2) Although I don't like abortions at all, here's why I'm pro-choice: y'know what would happen if a baby couldn't be aborted? It'd end up an orphan, or end up in a shitty home. How would you like to be that kid who, to his parents, is nothing but a mistake and that unaborted fetus no one wants around? I'm with Hillary on abortion, I don't like it, but I understand that it should be legal.
I'd rather be that kid than dead
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on April 25, 2008, 02:48:53 PM
I'd rather be that kid than dead
Well yeah.
I mean, just saying, lots of kids will have shitty lifes as unaborted babies. And coathanger abortions will still happen even if it's illegal.
Quote from: Way down in the hole. on April 24, 2008, 01:47:04 PM
My brother has always told me true communism has never been achieved, and never will be so trying to practice it is pointless.
I started pondering myself and it seems like a good idea in theory, but no one can execute it properly...
true.