but maybe this is the thread for this: here is what i want, ypr

[silvertone]

But who should program that superintelligent AI? What logic would it follow?

ai programmed by an AI delegation. the source AI should be watson and me.

[Kalahari Inkantation]

And how can you be sure you are most efficient?

[silvertone]

And how can you be sure you are most efficient?

i am not a proponet of efficiency, i am a proponent of Me. 

[Kalahari Inkantation]

And that would disqualify you from being the basis for the Supreme AI.

[silvertone]

And that would disqualify you from being the basis for the Supreme AI.

you'll just have to suck my farts because that's what happened here

[Kalahari Inkantation]

What I'm saying to you is there are plenty of people who don't care about efficiency

well they should because peak efficiency is ultimately every human's goal, whether they realize it or not

in general, humans all trial and error their way through life until they find something that works, and then implement trial-and-error again until they find something that works better, and so on and so forth in the pursuit of whatever is (or seems) most efficient for them

I don't agree that if you only explained it to them they would understand.

'unifying the healthcare system would be most efficient because...'

'dismantling trade barriers would be most efficient because...'

'reducing income inequality would be most efficient because...'

etc., and then prove why it would be the most efficient thing to do in terms digestible to the audience

Efficiency is only means to an end anyway and what specific end is that?

perfection within humanity's set of givens

and "perfection within humanity's set of givens" means something like 'optimal use of (human) capital'

Of course efficiency is cold and emotionless

this is true

emotions are not ruled by rationality.

this is also true

largely unempathetic

but i would argue that this is not true

If all you value is efficiency

efficiency is not all i value, but true efficiency would, in theory, yield a great many valuable things

than many human characteristics are of little value

of little or outright negative value when applied inefficiently, that is true

for example, inefficient use of anger and envy/jealousy, both quite negative emotions, lead humans to fight, and fights grand and small are only ever destructive in nature

you may as well be a machine

and machines certainly have their use

if a machine is more efficient than a human at, say, flipping a hamburger or sanitizing a surface, then the machine must necessarily displace human labor in that instance, freeing the human to make more efficient use of their own time

if a machine has a comparative advantage over a human in any given task, then that machine must displace that human in said task, in order to enhance societal efficiency

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

and i'm not advocating for the complete elimination of emotions if that's what you're implying lol

only for the efficient rerouting of emotions into productive tasks

utopians are impossible to begin with

i agree, but the idea of "utopia" is only there to serve as an ideal goal, or a motivating element

as the efficiency/perfectness of a society increases, the law of diminishing returns would kick in, and therefore make it impossible to achieve actual perfection

but that doesn't mean humans shouldn't strive for perfection anyway

utopians are impossible to begin with as what is utopian to one is not utopian to another.

i think this is provably false

norway, for example, is an objectively better society in just about every imaginable efficiency measure than, say, afghanistan is

But does that mean that Afghanistan shouldn't even try to work towards becoming more like Norway?

[YPrrrr]

That Norway is a better society than Afghanistan is completely subjective and I'm sure many in Afghanistan would absolutely abhor the idea of becoming more like sodomite Norway

If you think universal human utopia is achievable we have no points to argue because I disagree entirely

I still maintain efficiency means nothing on its own and is only means to an end whatever end you wish to produce