PoTD: In a war between Canada and an independent California, who would win? Why?

[Kalahari Inkantation]

in this scenario, "independent california" has absolutely no access to us federal military infrastructure of any sort, and the us itself is entirely uninvolved in the issue

california is otherwise exactly the same as irl (as is canada)

also, no norcal-socal infighting nonsense, no quebec-roc infighting nonsense

all of california is unified against the canadian menace

all of canada is unified against the californian menace



i'd like to hear your opinions before i post my own lol

[wawi]

canada obviously

[Kalahari Inkantation]

canada obviously

why do you say that

[wawi]

canada obviously

why do you say that

northern gun owners wouldnt fight for California,
the rest would try to protest the invasion with signs relating it to harry potter and star wars

[Kalahari Inkantation]

okay, another assumption:

no norcal-socal infighting nonsense

all of california is unified against the canadian menace

[Kalahari Inkantation]

canada obviously

why do you say that

northern gun owners wouldnt fight for California,

But you think they'd allow themselves to be taken by Trudeau?

[wawi]

canada obviously

why do you say that

northern gun owners wouldnt fight for California,

But you think they'd allow themselves to be taken by Trudeau?

not even canada likes Trudeau

okay, another assumption:

no norcal-socal infighting nonsense

all of california is unified against the canadian menace

in that case california

[Kalahari Inkantation]

in that case california

And why do you say that?

[YPrrrr]

I don't think either would win really California's geography does not lend itself to being conquered quickly which I believe Canada would need to do to avoid loss by attrition. Canada is too large and I doubt many Californians would do very well in a Canadian winter leading to a similar issue of attrition.

If you put one army on a field against another I will give it to Canada as they have fought in World War conflicts as a united nation where California has not and likely would just give up to get Canadian health care

[Kalahari Inkantation]

be sure to consider things like population, population density, gdp, the size of california's police force vs. the canadian military, gun ownership, canada's successes and failures in its historical military conflicts, technology levels, etc.

[wawi]

CA wins

[Kalahari Inkantation]

also consider that neither of them is allowed to breach the us border

all military asset transfer to or from either warring party must occur by air or by sea until it lands in enemy territory

[wawi]

also consider that neither of them is allowed to breach the us border

all military asset transfer to or from either warring party must occur by air or by sea until it lands in enemy territory

if you klll your enemies they win

[YPrrrr]

also consider that neither of them is allowed to breach the us border

all military asset transfer to or from either warring party must occur by air or by sea until it lands in enemy territory

Then Canada easily wins if CA can't use federal units!

[Kalahari Inkantation]

a unified california police force will assume the role of military for this conflict