I am Genius

[Travis]

lol did i say i was "achieving something great"?

[Classic]

From my view, you sound like you're for him stealing because BIG GREEDY MEN SCARY WE GOTTA STOP THEM. And while I am against places like that, stealing is simply getting into nowhere but trouble.

[The Hand That Fisted Everyone]

also is he stealing from AmEx or from the restaraunt?

[Classic]

What does it matter? He's stealing.

[The Hand That Fisted Everyone]

Just wanted to make sure I had the facts straight.

[Commander Fuckass]

so much mad in this thread

[Cosmic Ada]

What does it matter? He's stealing.

Robin Hood is a bad, bad man.

[snoorkel]

as far as I understand this, the money is either coming from american express or the bank that processes credit cards on behalf of your restaurant

if the latter, this might be a bad idea because eventually your owner/manager is going to get some calls from the bank about it, or else notice themselves that there are erroneous deductions being taken out of the restaurant bank account, and ask the bank why.

but if you only ever do it for amounts less than $25 (which is really all you should be doing, in good conscience, which does exist), probably no one will ever take more than 5 seconds out of their day to care.

and anyone who is saying this is an awful thing to do on principle is, by the same principle, an awful person. there is no honor among thieves, right? since when the fuck are credit card companies honorable or accountable to anything except their sick and lubricious desire to rape everything possible? let's nickel and dime them to death, it's about all we can do

[spoiler]related, when my friend worked at a movie theater he used to ring people up for senior discount tickets, then pocket the difference. probably an old trick[/spoiler]

[piano moths]

haha "trash"

[Hippopo]

and anyone who is saying this is an awful thing to do on principle is, by the same principle, an awful person.

I don't see how this follows.

[Socks]

as far as I understand this, the money is either coming from american express or the bank that processes credit cards on behalf of your restaurant

if the latter, this might be a bad idea because eventually your owner/manager is going to get some calls from the bank about it, or else notice themselves that there are erroneous deductions being taken out of the restaurant bank account, and ask the bank why.

You're probably right, and I'm simply banking on past precedence that this wont become an issue, as long as it is not an outrageous amount. You see, even the managers do shifty things, so does the front office, so does the chef, who is also a partner. They do so much shady stuff that even they have trouble keeping a clean and manageable sheet for the big boss, the owner. So really, as long as whatever happens is in this ballpark, they'll just chalk it up to negligence, as long as I remain careful. I know them, how this conversation would play out, what they would say etc... it's simply a calculated risk, as I said before, there are not feelings attached here, I sleep as comfortably tonight as I will tomorrow.  

I am not stealing from the restaurant, as their claim goes through, and how could I be stealing from the CC company when the card is a one time non re-loadable unit? Probably I am stealing from the middle man, if there is one, but I am not sure how they operate, they may just end up going after phantom targets.

So far this week I stayed just below $500, to make sure it's petty and not federal. And so that I can pay everything back if need be, I made over $1,000 in 35 hours though, honest work included too! And who is anyone to question me and my philosophy, I've bent over backwards for the little imperfections and annoyances in life, so that others may live more peacefully, and don't care for money, the reason I disrespect it like this is because it is an evil thing, you either master it, or it enslaves you. I will end up spending it, and whatever, you guys can live as you choose to.

[Socks]

If you're going to continue doing this, you really are the biggest shithead here.

I will let this play out, after all, it's not like I don't have a conscience.

[The Hand That Fisted Everyone]

as far as I understand this, the money is either coming from american express or the bank that processes credit cards on behalf of your restaurant

if the latter, this might be a bad idea because eventually your owner/manager is going to get some calls from the bank about it, or else notice themselves that there are erroneous deductions being taken out of the restaurant bank account, and ask the bank why.

but if you only ever do it for amounts less than $25 (which is really all you should be doing, in good conscience, which does exist), probably no one will ever take more than 5 seconds out of their day to care.

and anyone who is saying this is an awful thing to do on principle is, by the same principle, an awful person. there is no honor among thieves, right? since when the fuck are credit card companies honorable or accountable to anything except their sick and lubricious desire to rape everything possible? let's nickel and dime them to death, it's about all we can do

[spoiler]related, when my friend worked at a movie theater he used to ring people up for senior discount tickets, then pocket the difference. probably an old trick[/spoiler]

they aren't honorable and accountable and it's better to not deal with them.

I mean, what exactly are you accomplishing by stealing from a credit card company? Are you some sort of maverick that is sticking it to the man? Are the credit card companies going to change their ways? No. Never. Not going to happen. One man is not going to do anything but get his own self in trouble. If you really wanted to take down these fucking corporations, you wouldn't use what products they are offering.

but that's not what Socks is after, he is after money. Plain and simple, and instead of earning what is due to him, he decides that he wants more. He doesn't go out and find a second job or whatever, he exploits some glitch that takes money from someone. Plain and simple. Dress it up in whatever lingo makes you happy, put all sorts of meaning into it, but it all boils down to thievery.

and couldn't the "and anyone who is saying this is an awful thing to do on principle is, by the same principle, an awful person." be turned both ways? By stealing from the credit card company, you're just as bad as the money-fucking assholes who run AmEx.

[Socks]

I mean, what exactly are you accomplishing by stealing from a credit card company? Are you some sort of maverick that is sticking it to the man? Are the credit card companies going to change their ways? No. Never. Not going to happen. One man is not going to do anything but get his own self in trouble. If you really wanted to take down these fucking corporations, you wouldn't use what products they are offering.

I have other ways and means by which I subvert society, its attitude and entities. However, I sought none of this with regard to the gift card situation.

but that's not what Socks is after, he is after money. Plain and simple, and instead of earning what is due to him, he decides that he wants more. He doesn't go out and find a second job or whatever, he exploits some glitch that takes money from someone. Plain and simple. Dress it up in whatever lingo makes you happy, put all sorts of meaning into it, but it all boils down to thievery.

'due to me'? Who are you to issue such words? What ties does fiat money have to effort, worth or value? It is a concept, an imaginary thing, and enslaves the world and has become its measure of progress. I don't pretend to dress up anything, I am not seeking to excuse myself, for I am exonerated, but simply to explain the circumstance in which these decisions and actions happen. I am after a life of my own making, and this is just another thing along the way, I will use it to my advantage and continue being who I am. Thief, yeah right. I have but sampled one bubble on a vast sea of froth, while others are just lapping at it.

[snoorkel]

they aren't honorable and accountable and it's better to not deal with them.

I mean, what exactly are you accomplishing by stealing from a credit card company? Are you some sort of maverick that is sticking it to the man? Are the credit card companies going to change their ways? No. Never. Not going to happen. One man is not going to do anything but get his own self in trouble. If you really wanted to take down these fucking corporations, you wouldn't use what products they are offering.

but that's not what Socks is after, he is after money. Plain and simple, and instead of earning what is due to him, he decides that he wants more. He doesn't go out and find a second job or whatever, he exploits some glitch that takes money from someone. Plain and simple. Dress it up in whatever lingo makes you happy, put all sorts of meaning into it, but it all boils down to thievery.

and couldn't the "and anyone who is saying this is an awful thing to do on principle is, by the same principle, an awful person." be turned both ways? By stealing from the credit card company, you're just as bad as the money-fucking assholes who run AmEx.

yes, I agree with all that, my point was exactly that it doesn't matter at all and anyone who has a serious ethical problem with "stealing" a few virtual dollars from a credit card company should find better shit to concern themselves with