How are you spending President's Day weekend

[don't let's]

It has to invalidate it otherwise responsibility to you is some technical matter entirely dependent upon the specifics of law, and has no connection to or bearing on the individual's beliefs, circumstances, opinions and views of himself and the world. This is probably one of most irresponsible and dangerous views anyone could ever conceive.

I'm just besides myself reading some of your replies, where you don't realize the implications of what you are actually saying. You are still assuming way too many things and choosing to interpreted arbitrary constructs as fundamentally absolute. This is the only reason that you see a connection between law and responsibility, in this particular case.

(Read the rest of that post you quoted too because it shows that it doesn't really invalidate it.)

Well if somebody is breaking the law I think it's pretty safe to assume that they are irresponsible and in other areas of their life too. Obviously you should confirm it before reaching any hard conclusions and writing people off. But it is good for proceeding with caution as to the substance of somebody until you're sure about who they are. (and I guess I should add "in most cases") But I thought that all of this stuff was understood and didn't really need spelling out.  

[Ashley]

So everybody who drinks underage is automatically irresponsible? That's ridiculous. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean there's a good reason for it or that anyone who breaks that law is automatically irresponsible. It's illegal in some states to have gay sex. Does that make gay people in that state irresponsible?

I'm a very responsible person and even with my "illegal underage drinking" I'm still responsible (i.e., I don't drink and drive or drink excessively). Whether or not I can legally drink has no bearing on that.

[don't let's]

So everybody who drinks underage is automatically irresponsible? That's ridiculous. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean there's a good reason for it or that anyone who breaks that law is automatically irresponsible. It's illegal in some states to have gay sex. Does that make gay people in that state irresponsible?

I'm a very responsible person and even with my "illegal underage drinking" I'm still responsible (i.e., I don't drink and drive or drink excessively). Whether or not I can legally drink has no bearing on that.

You understand those two situations aren't really equatable at all, right?

So everybody who drinks underage is automatically irresponsible?

And like I said before, in most cases yes, but there are exceptions. And it also doesn't mean that a person is completely irresponsible in all things. But underage drinking does show a level of immaturity and irresponsibility. How can it not?

[Socks]

But you said it was subjective so it is true. Right?
I wanted your personal viewpoint to those questions and a direct answer to them not how you "felt" about them and the whole situation of how the questions were asked. That should have been obvious and you still dodge them for some reason. I just wanted a look into your mind as how you really stand on that sort of situation. They were basically yes or no questions and then of course giving the reasoning for answering yes or no. I don't see what's hard about that and why you think it's some big huge trap.
And "How am I "altering the surroundings around me"?"

You really don't like answering questions or providing reasoning for your statements, do you?

I'm sorry, but you were asking whether I will jump from the aircraft or have you push me off, and told me I should explain myself on the way down. This is laughable. I don't address these sort of paradoxes in a direct and literal way. Because it would not be a matter of entering into a trap as much as it would be confronting a dimensions that does not even exist, but has real and present implications for your own reality. And that is why I was trying to express the nature of this whole argument, because to me, it was bloody obvious it was possible for someone to drink underage and do it responsibly, and that the act in-itself was not inherently irresponsible, regardless of law, social stigma and all of the things which might suggest that it is automatically some sort of nefarious deed and detrimental aspect of someone's character.
WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN IMPLYING THIS WHOLE TIME.
As I said before, the ultimate genesis, master and creator of this whole concept and authority is the individual self. That is why you are RIGHT to ASSUME that drinking underage IS irresponsible and that this should say something about your perception of that person. But you are WRONG to STATE that drinking underage CANNOT be done responsibly and that the person who does so is bad, or immoral or untrustworthy.

Now you are trying to make amends and drifting out of the absolutes in which you spoke of earlier and offering a general approach of understanding things. With this I find no fault and offer you my hand in peace, but I do not forget that it was not me who drew conclusions and wrote people off. I was affected by the general category into which your generalization drew me into, and when this happens I will always complain loudly and clearly to the offending party for as long as I live and have basis in truth, honor and dignity.

[don't let's]

I'm sorry, but you were asking whether I will jump from the aircraft or have you push me off, and told me I should explain myself on the way down. This is laughable. I don't address these sort of paradoxes in a direct and literal way. Because it would not be a matter of entering into a trap as much as it would be confronting a dimensions that does not even exist, but has real and present implications for your own reality. And that is why I was trying to express the nature of this whole argument, because to me, it was bloody obvious it was possible for someone to drink underage and do it responsibly, and that the act in-itself was not inherently irresponsible, regardless of law, social stigma and all of the things which might suggest that it is automatically some sort of nefarious deed and detrimental aspect of someone's character.
WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN IMPLYING THIS WHOLE TIME.

Uh no. I was really just simply asking "does doing something illegal seem at all responsibly to you in any sense? Does that show the mark of a responsible person?" (Which I would still like to know.) The questions aren't really as black and white as they seem, (in that the answers won't be the same in all situations) but there is a level of being definite that can be answered or obtained.

You're trying to read way, way into this and make it into something it's not.

As I said before, the ultimate genesis, master and creator of this whole concept and authority is the individual self. That is why you are RIGHT to ASSUME that drinking underage IS irresponsible and that this should say something about your perception of that person. But you are WRONG to STATE that drinking underage CANNOT be done responsibly.

For clarification you can "responsibly drink" while underage in that you can make sure you don't drive drunk or drink too much and stuff like that. But drinking while underage is not being responsible at all.

Now you are trying to make amends and drifting out of the absolutes in which you spoke of earlier and offering a general approach of understanding things. With this I find no fault and offer you my hand in peace, but I do not forget that it was not me who drew conclusions and wrote people off. I was affected by the general category into which your generalization drew me into, and when this happens I will always complain loudly and clearly to the offending party for as long as I live and have basis in truth, honor and dignity.

And no, I wasn't trying to "make amends". If you view me as "drifting out of the absolutes" then you didn't understand what I was saying to begin with because of your own assumptions about exactly what it was that I was saying, and then on me probably my lack of complete clarity in what I was trying to convey. Because I haven't changed anything at all about my viewpoint.
I  may have expanded on it more, but nothing about it has changed from what i was originally saying.

[Socks]

At this point my friend we just have to keep on walking, we brushed shoulders in a crowded street while occupying the same space, and now let us go in our own directions and into our little worlds. I am no longer interested in this discussion. I said what I said and meant what I meant, nothing's changed, you're right, but I feel I have still confronted danger, and salvaged some justice for all.

[don't let's]

I still would like the answers to those questions though.

[Ashley]

Well I'll just continue being an irresponsible and immature heathen until I turn 21 in a couple months then. Then when I turn 21 I will magically be mature and responsible because the law arbitrarily decided I'm old enough to decide what I put into my own body.

[Travis]

failure to comply with laws does generally show irresponsible behavior and is the mark of an irresponsible human.

rofl

[PLEASEHELP1991]

in some states, underaged drinking is not necessarily banned if you are drinking in your own home.

[Andria]

in some states, underaged drinking is not necessarily banned if you are drinking in your own home.

it's like that in va isn't it?

but it's only if you are in the presence of your parents or guardians

[PLEASEHELP1991]

it's like that in va isn't it?

but it's only if you are in the presence of your parents or guardians

and/or spouse who is of legal drinking age

[Ashley]

My boyfriend is from WI, I know there it used to be that you could go to bars as long as you were with your parents/legal guardians. Pretty sure they recently got rid of that, but nobody there gives a fuck about underage drinking so his parents still took us out to the bar a couple nights. The general attitude towards drinking up there is totally different than some other places I've been though.

[don't let's]

Well I'll just continue being an irresponsible and immature heathen until I turn 21 in a couple months then. Then when I turn 21 I will magically be mature and responsible because the law arbitrarily decided I'm old enough to decide what I put into my own body.

Did I say that? And I don't know why you're getting so worked up over what I'm saying anyway. And where did being a "heathen" come into this?

[Ashley]

Did I say that? And I don't know why you're getting so worked up over what I'm saying anyway.

I'm honestly not getting worked up.