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[wawi]

this is why we need dictators or kings

[Tri4se]

this is why we need dictators or kings

yes so instead of multiple retards running the world we have one retard

much better

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Would you say that these people aren't in the majority?

Yes, I would. How 'bout you?

Real freakin' neato

I thought you thought I was talking about the US since you mentioned Article 1, Section 8 of.... something you didn't mention.

[wawi]

yes so instead of multiple retards running the world we have one retard

much better

um no i would be it and i know what i am doing

[musica.cards]

yes so instead of multiple retards running the world we have one retard

much better

Actually, it is. That way, when there's a revolt, there's only one guy to take out

Yes, I would. How 'bout you?

I'd say prove it.

I thought you thought I was talking about the US since you mentioned Article 1, Section 8 of.... something you didn't mention.

All I did was mention Article 1, Section 8. Where you got this "I thought you thought" stuff from is behind me. Why don't you just focus on the discussion at hand, ok? Or at the very least, for the sake of discussion, answer my question, regardless of what "you thought I was talking about"

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I'd say prove it.

for the sake of discussion, answer my question

I don't know where you got that idea. The government's only responsibility is to protect our rights. Anything more stems from a possibly misguided request from a community, and certain members of the community, who happen to be in the local government, oblige their request. But then is it the government or the community that's giving back? It may be government resources, but it's the decision of its members, who also happen to be members of the community, to use said resources to give back to the community.

Can't the government be a part of the community? I think of government as a community's way of trying to better themselves.

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I can't find any numbers on the number of people that do donate money or services.

[musica.cards]

Can't the government be a part of the community?

If a community can do things that the government can, but in different ways, why bother? The community is better prepared to deal with natural threats than the government, which is legal and abstract in design. Yet, once again, the main purpose of government to secure the rights of its constituents. If a small town is composed of entirely independent people (assuming they live on farms and whatnot), why would such a town need a government?

I think of government as a community's way of trying to better themselves.

So you think that doing a bunch of paperwork just to decide how to respond to a heart attack is more affective than having an individual respond immediately?

[musica.cards]

I can't find any numbers on the number of people that do donate money or services.

Do you honestly think that every single person who does something reports it to a government office? Do you honestly expect researchers to be able to track down every single instance of donation? Have you even bothered to see what numbers organizations like the Red Cross and the Salvation Army have?

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If a community can do things that the government can, but in different ways, why bother? The community is better prepared to deal with natural threats than the government, which is legal and abstract in design. Yet, once again, the main purpose of government to secure the rights of its constituents. If a small town is composed of entirely independent people (assuming they live on farms and whatnot), why would such a town need a government?

The community is better suited to help at lower levels, and government at a higher level. The town would not need, or want, a government because they are independent. Then again, could that even be considered a town if there is no interaction?

Do you think governments should only provide police forces so that the rights of citizens are not infringed? Do you believe anarchy is the answer? Or are you only playing the Devil's advocate?

So you think that doing a bunch of paperwork just to decide how to respond to a heart attack is more affective than having an individual respond immediately?

No, I do not.

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Do you honestly think that every single person who does something reports it to a government office? Do you honestly expect researchers to be able to track down every single instance of donation? Have you even bothered to see what numbers organizations like the Red Cross and the Salvation Army have?

So you asked me to provide proof when you knew that I would not be able to? Either way, I did not expect every instance of a donation to be tracked down. Yes, I have tried checking their websites.

Do you disregard any statistic because researchers were not able to track every instance of donation?

[musica.cards]

The community is better suited to help at lower levels, and government at a higher level. The town would not need, or want, a government because they are independent. Then again, could that even be considered a town if there is no interaction?

Are you implying that small towns with independent people have no interaction?

Do you think governments should only provide police forces so that the rights of citizens are not infringed?

It's not out of the question that a government would use its police force to infringe upon the rights of its citizens. Do you think communities can't form their own police force?

No, I do not.

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Are you implying that small towns with independent people have no interaction?

You said they were entirely independent. And since they lived on farms and what not, I assumed that they were all self-sufficient.

It's not out of the question that a government would use its police force to infringe upon the rights of its citizens. Do you think communities can't form their own police force?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/government:

the political direction and control exercised over the actions of the members, citizens, or inhabitants of communities, societies, and states; direction of the affairs of a state, community, etc.; political administration

Isn't a government required for a police force, since control is being exercised over the community?

[musica.cards]

You said they were entirely independent. And since they lived on farms and what not, I assumed that they were all self-sufficient.

Are you implying such people don't have free time?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/government:

That doesn't answer my question

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita

Isn't a government required for a police force, since control is being exercised over the community?

What planet are you from? When you don't have "law enforcement", you have a group of people prepared to respond to disturbances in the peace (i.e. domestic violence, excessive noise, etc). Naturally, there are no requirements for such a group of people to exist

The same people equipped to enforce laws (the police, formed by the government or not) are entirely capable of causing violence and grieve. When those people show up, the community, in the form of a militia, shows up to eliminate that threat.

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The same people equipped to enforce laws (the police, formed by the government or not) are entirely capable of causing violence and grieve. When those people show up, the community, in the form of a militia, shows up to eliminate that threat.

Always?

I'm arguing that a government is anything that attempts to regulate/control/supervise the community.