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Too bad documents can be interpreted in different ways.

Too bad no one single party could make the ultimate decision regarding a single interpretation, which, in either case, must result in the greatest amount of Freedom and protect our rights, all just to support said party's agenda.

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Also, I think a large portion of the problem is that taxes are viewed as evil things. It seems like the majority of people do not realize that the whole point of taxes is to give back to the community (and to keep the government running, which should be giving back to the community).

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Also, I think a large portion of the problem is that taxes are viewed as evil things. It seems like the majority of people do not realize that the whole point of taxes is to give back to the community (and to keep the government running, which should be giving back to the community).

They're viewed as evil things because "fuck the community, stop stealing my hard-earned money."

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Also, I think a large portion of the problem is that taxes are viewed as evil things. It seems like the majority of people do not realize that the whole point of taxes is to give back to the community (and to keep the government running, which should be giving back to the community).

Are you referring to the federal government, which has no business with that kind of stuff, or the local governments, who have a much better understanding of what the community really needs?

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Are you referring to the federal government, which has no business with that kind of stuff, or the local governments, who have a much better understanding of what the community really needs?

Both. The federal government provides funding for local governments anyway. What do you mean by "that kind of stuff?"

They're viewed as evil things because "fuck the community, stop stealing my hard-earned money."

Seriously. These people want the government to help them (bail outs) but don't want to help the government help them.

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We're doomed.

God Bless America.

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Both. The federal government provides funding for local governments anyway.

What do you mean by "that kind of stuff?"

The stuff that the local governments have the greatest understanding of. Is it really necessary to call in the FBI when Susie's cat is stuck in a tree, when, in the worst case scenario (with regards to competence), the county sheriff is far more than capable of dealing with? Of course, in that situation, all that is needed is a response from people in the household, if not the neighborhood (or they could just leave the cat alone, as cats like to be in high places).

And if a city and/or county is already charging taxes, then who cares if the federal government is giving back to the community? I mean, if the city and/or county is charging taxes, they will give back to the community, won't they?

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The stuff that the local governments have the greatest understanding of. Is it really necessary to call in the FBI when Susie's cat is stuck in a tree, when, in the worst case scenario (with regards to competence), the county sheriff is far more than capable of dealing with? Of course, in that situation, all that is needed is a response from people in the household, if not the neighborhood (or they could just leave the cat alone, as cats like to be in high places).

What are you getting at? I just said that governments should give back in general. Are you talking about governments having too much control over its residents?

And if a city and/or county is already charging taxes, then who cares if the federal government is giving back to the community? I mean, if the city and/or county is charging taxes, they will give back to the community, won't they?

Not all cities/communities are as wealthy as others. Federal tax can help provide funding to areas that lack it.

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What are you getting at? I just said that governments should give back in general. Are you talking about governments having too much control over its residents?

I don't know where you got that idea. The government's only responsibility is to protect our rights. Anything more stems from a possibly misguided request from a community, and certain members of the community, who happen to be in the local government, oblige their request. But then is it the government or the community that's giving back? It may be government resources, but it's the decision of its members, who also happen to be members of the community, to use said resources to give back to the community.

So then why does the federal government have to waste money solving problems that a local government, if not community can solve by itself? I mean, why take food from someone if you already have plenty of food?

Not all cities/communities are as wealthy as others. Federal tax can help provide funding to areas that lack it.

Why not state taxes? Why can't one state give money and resources to another?

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I don't know where you got that idea. The government's only responsibility is to protect our rights. Anything more stems from a possibly misguided request from a community, and certain members of the community, who happen to be in the local government, oblige their request. But then is it the government or the community that's giving back? It may be government resources, but it's the decision of its members, who also happen to be members of the community, to use said resources to give back to the community.

K, community is too vague a word; I'm getting confused. Community as in the city, county, state, or country?

So then why does the federal government have to waste money solving problems that a local government, if not community can solve by itself? I mean, why take food from someone if you already have plenty of food?

I'm not saying that the federal government should be involved in everything. For example, the federal government should provide aid during and after a natural disaster. They should not waste resources on frivolous matters (like that weird cat thing you were talking about).

You lost me at the food thing. How does that tie in to the rest of this conversation?

Why not state taxes? Why can't one state give money and resources to another?

Would you expect a person to willingly give money and resources to another person? Would someone with a car be expected to help pay for buses if there wasn't a mandatory tax.

My point is that people have to be mandated to help out. That's what the federal tax should be for, to help the country as a whole. State taxes should go to improving states, and money from city ordinances should go to improving the city.

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socialism pig disgusting [glow=black,2,300]despite the fact that we already have many rather socialist programs in place and if they were to be removed the results would be disastrous[/glow]

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socialism pig disgusting [glow=black,2,300]despite the fact that we already have many rather socialist programs in place and if they were to be removed the results would be disastrous[/glow]

Spread the wealth

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K, community is too vague a word; I'm getting confused. Community as in the city, county, state, or country?

Are you on drugs?

I'm not saying that the federal government should be involved in everything. For example, the federal government should provide aid during and after a natural disaster. They should not waste resources on frivolous matters (like that weird cat thing you were talking about).

That weird cat thing is an allegory for things like you're mentioning. Why can't the states give to each other? Is that really such an evil thing? Why thrust that burden on the federal government? At least when one state collapses, you have 49 other states remaining. I mean, what happens when the federal government collapses?

Would you expect a person to willingly give money and resources to another person

Yes, and some people seem to enjoy giving money to those in need (i.e. homeless people).

My point is that people have to be mandated to help out.

Then why do people take the time to learn First Aid? Why do people sometimes pull over to offer assistance to a stranded motorist? At the very least, why do people panic when a person suddenly starts to suffer (i.e. from a heart attack)?

That's what the federal tax should be for, to help the country as a whole. State taxes should go to improving states, and money from city ordinances should go to improving the city.

Federal taxes, if permissible (let me ask you: how many alternate interpretations of Article 1, Section 8 can be synthesized?), are used to maintain our military and fulfill other natural and constitutional duties, and maintain Peace among the states; state taxes, assuming they absolutely have to exist, ought to be used to maintain and support the county and local governments in need, and otherwise maintaining Peace among them (and if all states do this, and the federal government stays out of trouble, the country as a whole will be much stronger; for it would take many more resources in order for a foreign threat to seize control of all 50 states -- especially if they have to struggle against the 2000+ counties or let's say 200,000+ cities); and really, if the people insist on feeding their money through a central resource, local taxes need to be used to address local issues, maintain Peace among the people, and, if the community won't, give aid to people within its jurisdiction in need.

That is, of course, people are as selfish as you're trying to make them out to be

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Yes, and some people seem to enjoy giving money to those in need (i.e. homeless people).

Then why do people take the time to learn First Aid? Why do people sometimes pull over to offer assistance to a stranded motorist? At the very least, why do people panic when a person suddenly starts to suffer (i.e. from a heart attack)?

Would you say that these people are the majority?

Also, I wasn't talking about any country in particular. Just what I think would be best.

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Would you say that these people are the majority?

Would you say that these people aren't in the majority?

Also, I wasn't talking about any country in particular. Just what I think would be best.

Real freakin' neato