I've discovered a major reason why I hate religion

[rdl]

Oh, I missed the point of JMV's post.

If you kill yourself you get stuck in hell anyway no matter who you were or what you were.

[Selkie]

Does a limited time in hell really seem that much more appealing

kind of...

When you really think about it, mathematically, a trillion years is still infinitely better than eternal suffering.

[YPrrrr]

kind of...

When you really think about it, mathematically, a trillion years is still infinitely better than eternal suffering.

Yes, but is it better than whatever suffering you may encounter on earth which is over in a mere oh let's say 80 years

[??????]

Oh, I missed the point of JMV's post.

If you kill yourself you get stuck in hell anyway no matter who you were or what you were.

what if i killed myself to save a bus full of christian children and lovable puppies because the serial killer is easily triggered by my movements

[Daddy]

And by doing nothing to stop hos death is christ not indirectly responsible for his own death?

[Socks]

I am alive. I am a God.

[YPrrrr]

And by doing nothing to stop hos death is christ not indirectly responsible for his own death?

Yes? I don't see how that's comparable to suicide at all unless you'd consider anyone given a death sentence to be committing suicide

[Thyme]

what if i killed myself to save a bus full of christian children and lovable puppies because the serial killer is easily triggered by my movements

then that would be a sacrifice

I'm pretty sure sacrifice is held in high esteem inside the Christian doctrine, but I'm not too sure. I mean, there's this one very important Christian figure who sacrificed himself for humanity, I can't seem to remember his name.

[Daddy]

Would that mean if you believed ending your life would better humanity suicide would be alright?

[Thyme]

Would that mean if you believed ending your life would better humanity suicide would be alright?

I DUNNO LOL
i am not a christian   

[YPrrrr]

Would that mean if you believed ending your life would better humanity suicide would be alright?

Nope, how would one even have proof of that? In the examples of sacrifice (Jesus, clucky on a bus) neither of them directly killed themselves either.

Also I misspoke earlier... I'm only speaking from a Catholic perspective, some liberal protestant Churches view it as forgivable

[Daddy]

Nope, how would one even have proof of that?

in a thread about god i need no proof

[YPrrrr]

in a thread about god i need no proof

You need a reason as to why the world would be better off without your hypothetical man. Don't make me get Clarence on his ass

[spaceman]

Main reason I don't like religion is that it teaches people to be okay with and non-questioning of the universe around us. I believe I may be subconsciously paraphrasing a Richard Dawkins quote, as cliché as that is. Will post it back here later if I find it.

edit: oh hey

"As a scientist, I am hostile to fundamentalist religion because it actively debauches the scientific enterprise. It teaches us not to change our minds, and not to want to know exciting things that are available to be known. It subverts science and saps the intellect."

[??????]

then that would be a sacrifice

I'm pretty sure sacrifice is held in high esteem inside the Christian doctrine, but I'm not too sure. I mean, there's this one very important Christian figure who sacrificed himself for humanity, I can't seem to remember his name.

would it really be sacrifice if my original intent was suicide (I didn't care about the children, but the opportunity was presented so hey)