Thread updated as states legalize same-sex marriage *USA*

[Classic]

It's clear this is a hard conversation to follow for some.

[Thyme]

It's clear this is a hard conversation to follow for some.

for me it is

[the shortest route to the sea]

Seems useless to me, a lot of semantics and misunderstandings and debate tactics.

[Slim]

also, the law is what decides if a class of people are or were wronged. in this case it is the law itself that is authorizing a denial of service for homosexuals toward marriage. so really, as far as the law is concerned, everything is hunky dory.

Okay, but as far as you're concerned, in your own personal opinion, should gays be allowed to get married or not? Forget about the law for now.

[Daddy]

Okay, but as far as you're concerned, in your own personal opinion, should gays be allowed to get married or not? Forget about the law for now.

Vague, obscure, vague vague. I debate like a republican, obscure.


Also, in addition to Slim's question. Regardless of if you think gays should be married or not. Do you think they should be eligible for the same tax breaks on tax returns, visitation in hospitals, joint insurance policies, and such?

[Sam]

civil union
Same thing, just a different word and without religious connotations 

um hello

can we get back to how utterly incorrect this statement is?

[Slim]

um hello

can we get back to how utterly incorrect this statement is?

ya, it's incorrect

what else do you want us to say?

[Socks]

Okay, but as far as you're concerned, in your own personal opinion, should gays be allowed to get married or not? Forget about the law for now.

Although I am not fully at peace with the idea, I do indeed think they should be allowed to get married. I base the decision on my own feelings (which are, as I said, mixed) and judgment, and not because marriage is a civil right that's being denied to gays. Being gay is not a trend or an exclusively false state, so it is here to stay. As such, the phenomena should be accommodated as much as possible within the legal structure of the law and incorporated into the many civil liberties we enjoy. In due time I think this will almost inevitably happen as our society progress and conditions change.

My main issue and concern is dramatic upheaval that may be based on legitimate desires and points, but that's being argued for in extreme and absolute terms under the false pretense of civil rights. This seeks to nullify the view and opinion of the majority by trying to impose the will of the minority via a civil rights violation argument. I do not think that's right. I think the process by which things are being decided now is legitimate and the correct one. If the results are not in favor of gays, then of course I can understand and sympathize with the unhappiness. However that alone is not reason enough to disregard such results as illegitimate or as abhorrent. It is simply the state of society and the will of the people, for the time being at least. I see nothing wrong with that (the process), personally speaking.

Do you think they should be eligible for the same tax breaks on tax returns, visitation in hospitals, joint insurance policies, and such?

Of course. There is no point in being petty by altering the benefits of married individuals based on their orientation, seeing as how (in this hypothetical) they're eligible to get married in the first place. On top of all the things such a situation may be categorized as, it also serves to undermine the process and institution of marriage.

[Hiro]

um hello

can we get back to how utterly incorrect this statement is?

yeah it's not exactly the same thing, but you know what I mean 

[Daddy]

aaah forgot to update this for DC after the crash

[Daddy]

If California doesn't suck I can update this on Friday to include California.


lol mormons

[BlackDS]

It is a free country, you should be able to marry a goat of you want to. 

[Daddy]

It is a free country, you should be able to marry a goat of you want to. 

I don't think goats can enter contracts.

[YPrrrr]

Oh I thought maybe Wisconsin had done it today or something... I guess it's just a gay pride day with all the flags and men in leather and chains riding around on flatbeds yelling at people

[Daddy]

Oh I thought maybe Wisconsin had done it today or something... I guess it's just a gay pride day with all the flags and men in leather and chains riding around on flatbeds yelling at people

That's actually the homo army mobilizing.