Which book should I read first(not literature)?

[Nyerp]

don't read any book that calls you a dummy

[russell]

I don't know

I've never liked learning programming languages from guides, it's easier to take an existing complex script and try to edit it to do something you want, then examine how it works

is how I learned css and php and mysql stuff, from messing with forum software

[ME##]

Java, how to programme.

[guff]

LEARN PYTHON 

[Daddy]

LEARN PYTHON 

get me a book

[russell]

get me a book

don't learn python, it's not useful for anything

learn C and then cocoa

[guff]

don't learn python, it's not useful for anything

you're retarded 

name something it's not useful for

ps python can access the cocoa api too
pps c is worse than java
ppps you probable meant objective c anyways
pppps that's still just as bad
ppppps you place way too much importance on gui programming and you should die in a fire

[superclucky]

I don't know

I've never liked learning programming languages from guides, it's easier to take an existing complex script and try to edit it to do something you want, then examine how it works

is how I learned css and php and mysql stuff, from messing with forum software

Oh I learned this way!
It was very fun trying to figure out which pieces went were.

But it kinda got a little annoying with all the previews and etc. I should've downloaded something that lets me see my previews quicker back then.

[Gladjaframpf]

you're retarded 

name something it's not useful for

ps python can access the cocoa api too
pps c is worse than java
ppps you probable meant objective c anyways
pppps that's still just as bad
ppppps you place way too much importance on gui programming and you should die in a fire

Well C is kind of important if you want to do low level memory management stuff. I'm not sure how recommending C is playing important on GUI programming, if he wanted that he'd probably say Visual Basic or something.

P.S. Visual Basic is the Great Satan.

[guff]

Well C is kind of important if you want to do low level memory management stuff.

the only people who would want to do that are likely the same that would like kicking cacti with their bare feet

I'm not sure how recommending C is playing important on GUI programming...

it's not

recommending it so he can then learn the cocoa api is (which is silly anyways because it's an os x gui only)

P.S. Visual Basic is the Great Satan.

i would rather code in brainfuck 

[Gladjaframpf]

the only people who would want to do that are likely the same that would like kicking cacti with their bare feet

But the final product is more efficient!

Using C for large projects is generally not a good idea but learning it gives you a better understanding of how the computer actually works. It's also useful if you have a few small chunks of a program that you want to be really efficient, because you can use C for those pieces so you have as much control over them as possible.

[guff]

But the final product is more efficient!

Using C for large projects is generally not a good idea but learning it gives you a better understanding of how the computer actually works. It's also useful if you have a few small chunks of a program that you want to be really efficient, because you can use C for those pieces so you have as much control over them as possible.

most of the time but that usually doesn't matter much outside of heavy number crunching applications

yeah but if someone hates java as jmv does, i'm pretty sure recommending c instead is a bit silly 

[Gladjaframpf]

most of the time but that usually doesn't matter much outside of heavy number crunching applications

yeah but if someone hates java as jmv does, i'm pretty sure recommending c instead is a bit silly 

True enough. Hey JMV, learn Scheme! You might hate it less!

http://plt-scheme.org/
http://htdp.org/

[guff]

True enough. Hey JMV, learn Scheme! You might hate it less!

http://plt-scheme.org/
http://htdp.org/

i keep thinking about getting into scheme but i'm terrified of parentheses

also snorkel explain your comment about python's usefulness or i will fucking bury you 

[Daddy]

what can scheme do