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the latest iteration of lara croft

Started by Magyarorszag, June 04, 2018, 08:07:16 AM

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Am I wrong? befuddlement

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yes (then prove it)
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Magyarorszag

must have simply the prettiest face of any computer-generated fictional character ever conceived befuddlement

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I can't think of anyone who comes close, but I invite you to prove me wrong. hocuspocus;

and to think, this character used to be a comically tasteless caricature of an """attractive""" woman up until just 2013 lol (and perhaps even more amazing is just how primitive rise lara makes 2013 lara look)

YPrrrr


Big Goop

I'd have to agree. Especially since it's also a believable face.

Nyerp

they made a very pretty character who incessantly gasps, whines, and screams as she gets impaled, bludgeoned, and mangled to satisfy their sick & twisted fantasies

old lara was so much better

Magyarorszag

June 04, 2018, 01:50:51 PM #4 Last Edit: June 04, 2018, 01:54:43 PM by Majorana's Mask
Quote from: Nyerp on June 04, 2018, 01:25:15 PM
they made a very pretty character who incessantly gasps, whines, and screams as she gets impaled, bludgeoned, and mangled to satisfy their sick & twisted fantasies

old lara was so much better


you're right, the moaning and screaming makes the nu-raider games sound like rape city and i certainly wouldn't play them with the volume up too high

but the torture porn element has been a part of the series' dna since the originals

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHEBz3AyWbE[/youtube]

What makes old Lara any better? befuddlement

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...lol@that thumbnail

further evidence that people have been playing these ryona games with their hands in their pants since day 1[/spoiler]

YPrrrr

But if you were dying wouldn't you scream or yell. Drake yells when he dies in Uncharted idk

Idk about gasping or whining tho

Big Goop

i think it's more the player's sick fantasies that make them hear rape

shame on you

Magyarorszag

Quote from: YPargh on June 04, 2018, 02:25:20 PM
But if you were dying wouldn't you scream or yell. Drake yells when he dies in Uncharted idk

Idk about gasping or whining tho


yeah but nobody finds male grunting sexy

Quote from: Big Goop on June 04, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
i think it's more the player's sick fantasies that make them hear rape

shame on you


Are you suggesting that Nyerp is projecting his own rape fantasies onto Lara Croft? befuddlement

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nyerp, is there any truth to this accusation akudood;[/spoiler]

Big Goop

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2018, 06:04:27 PM
Quote from: YPargh on June 04, 2018, 02:25:20 PM
But if you were dying wouldn't you scream or yell. Drake yells when he dies in Uncharted idk

Idk about gasping or whining tho


yeah but nobody finds male grunting sexy

Quote from: Big Goop on June 04, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
i think it's more the player's sick fantasies that make them hear rape

shame on you


Are you suggesting that Nyerp is projecting his own rape fantasies onto Lara Croft? befuddlement

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nyerp, is there any truth to this accusation akudood;[/spoiler]
I didn't specify anybody at all  hocuspocus;

YPrrrr

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2018, 06:04:27 PM
Quote from: YPargh on June 04, 2018, 02:25:20 PM
But if you were dying wouldn't you scream or yell. Drake yells when he dies in Uncharted idk

Idk about gasping or whining tho


yeah but nobody finds male grunting sexy

Quote from: Big Goop on June 04, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
i think it's more the player's sick fantasies that make them hear rape

shame on you


Are you suggesting that Nyerp is projecting his own rape fantasies onto Lara Croft? befuddlement

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nyerp, is there any truth to this accusation akudood;[/spoiler]
I can't speak to what people who enjoy men find sexy girl;

I would naturally agree that it is not in my own experience  n_u

Nyerp

i never brought up rape that was YOU tec akudood;

tbh it's all in new-lara's line delivery as for why i don't like her. she's always out of breath even when she's not drowning or being strangled. she never says anything with confidence and usually sounds confused or tired. the old lara might have been an objectified sexual fantasy, but it still feels more empowering to play as her because of her self-assured personality. (when i say old lara i mean the one from the ps2 era btw i haven't played the REALLY old games)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyVHV7ct4gU[/youtube]

also LMAO how can you even compare the old deaths with these, they're instantly creepier and more brutal

Big Goop

She's supposed to sound not confident and unsure though. She's not who she was in the older games.

Nyerp

cool but that's not a character i really want to play as

Big Goop


Magyarorszag

June 04, 2018, 11:27:28 PM #14 Last Edit: June 04, 2018, 11:41:56 PM by Majorana's Mask
Quote from: YPargh on June 04, 2018, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2018, 06:04:27 PM
yeah but nobody finds male grunting sexy
I can't speak to what people who enjoy men find sexy girl;

I would naturally agree that it is not in my own experience  n_u


lol

what i really mean is that, for whatever reason, female wails of agony are just much easier to sexualize than male equivalents (more generally, female anything is always at much greater risk of being sexualized than male equivalents), so you could play uncharted with the volume all the way up and nobody would make any weird assumptions about nate's grunts if taken out of context

that is not true of the nu-raider games, i certainly would be embarrassed if someone were to overhear the emphatic sounds of lara getting repeatedly impaled and assaulted from behind my locked bedroom door in the dark of night

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LPnoCuB7_c[/youtube]

Quote from: Nyerp on June 04, 2018, 09:32:00 PM
i never brought up rape that was YOU tec akudood;


Are you suggesting that I am projecting my own rape fantasies onto Lara Croft? befuddlement

Quote from: Nyerp on June 04, 2018, 09:32:00 PM
tbh it's all in new-lara's line delivery as for why i don't like her. she's always out of breath even when she's not drowning or being strangled. she never says anything with confidence and usually sounds confused or tired. the old lara might have been an objectified sexual fantasy, but it still feels more empowering to play as her because of her self-assured personality. (when i say old lara i mean the one from the ps2 era btw i haven't played the REALLY old games)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyVHV7ct4gU[/youtube]

also LMAO how can you even compare the old deaths with these, they're instantly creepier and more brutal


i do get your point, old lara may be a piece of pyramid-breasted eye candy designed to appeal to adolescent males on the surface, but she's also brave and fearless and demonstrates great capability in the face of adversity and those qualities command respect from the player, even if his primary intention when buying the game was to ogle triangle tits and explore his budding ryona interest

the visual sexualization of nu-lara is less blatant, but as a trade off she's turned from an extremely competent treasure hunter into a whiny little girl who cries for the strong manly player's protection from any and all perceived threats

and it is a wholly intended effect, as confirmed by the tr 2013 devs themselves:

https://kotaku.com/5917400/youll-want-to-protect-the-new-less-curvy-lara-croft

Quote from: TR 2013 executive producerThey're more like 'I want to protect her.' There's this sort of dynamic of 'I'm going to this adventure with her and trying to protect her.'


you could absolutely interpret this as a form of sexualization in and of itself, and argue that the tomb raider devs simply traded one overt manifestation of sexualization for another more subtle (and easier to market in a """gamergate""" world) form when developing the reboot

though, to be fair, like john said, she is supposed to be a young novice adventurer in the new games, they are origin stories after all

i must disclose that the only tomb raider games i've played are the very first and the 2013 reboot, i don't know if the protection fantasy carries over as strongly in tomb raider 2k15

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