potd: judgement vs judgment

[snoorkel]

How does judgement seem less like the word is pronounced considering it is the "e"'s job to soften the "g"

I mean "acknowledgment" ... just ...

I'd say that function of 'e' is better suited for the ends of words, like judge or acknowledge, but when it gets into the middle of a word the sound is pretty obvious... 'acknowledgment' clearly wouldn't be 'ackknowled-ga-ment' or something with hard sounds, but 'acknowledgement' COULD be 'acknowledg-uh-ment' with mr schwa (I think this way since taking french ). I'm all about cutting out the extras inside words, cancelation over cancellation errday  

also "canceled" doesn't exist

yes it does I type that word probably 4 times per day

[YPrrrr]

If you would pronounce the "e" then you may as well pronounce the hard "g" since that would be the correct english form.

But regardless, english is one of the most inconsistent languages so I'm not going to worry too much about it

[Samus Aran]

How does judgement seem less like the word is pronounced considering it is the "e"'s job to soften the "g"

well, there's a very common rule in English where you drop a silent "e" when adding a suffix. of course, there are tons of exceptions, even in the usually rigid "definitely drop that e if the suffix starts with a vowel" department ("courageous").

but considering that rule, it's not unreasonable for "judgment" to be just as correct. of course, what you mentioned (softening consonants, "g" and "c" being common with this) is just as much a rule, so yeah, it's not like that can really be ruled out either.

a side note - "judgment" is also just as old as it is modern, actually. it has deep biblical and official judiciary roots.

there are more than enough reasons for both to be considered correct, i think, but i still prefer "judgment"

[snoorkel]

the beauty ( /horror) of english is that you can make any random amalgamated word you want, it's not about reading the sounds individually 

but in this case I don't think there's any problem with judgment, because it's not ambiguous at all (probably less ambiguous than judgement), it's a consonant after a consonant so you can't pronounce them both hard (or at least this rarely happens). I wouldn't want to drop the e out of 'appeasement' or something, because that would actually fuck it up.

[YPrrrr]

Yes, but that is what I am saying... They're equally as right in English pronunciation, I don't see how one appears to be more correct

but dgm is just a combination of nasty hard letters so i like to throw in a vowel to soften them up a bit even though it does nothing extra

[Samus Aran]

talking about silent "e" rules has reminded me of how much i love studying this language lol

it just fascinates me, all the silly variables and such

[YPrrrr]

I'm amazed any foreigners are able to learn it considering the number of exceptions

[snoorkel]

talking about silent "e" rules has reminded me of how much i love studying this language lol

it just fascinates me, all the silly variables and such

yes, it's one of my life's goals to have a mastery of english vocabulary and grammar (antiquated/alternate forms, not like how to build a sentence properly)... unfortunately I don't think any single human could learn everything there is to know about english in a lifetime

[Nyerp]

english is truly a disgusting language

[silvertone]

english is truly a disgusting language

it is a language for artists durrgh

[Boogus Epirus Aurelius]

it is a language for artists durrgh

And poets. Don't forget the poets.

[Kalahari Inkantation]

"acknowledgment"

lol i wasn't even aware this is an acceptable spelling

[spoiler]i vomited[/spoiler]

[silvertone]

And poets. Don't forget the poets.

Poets are people who still talk like cavemen.

[Kalahari Inkantation]

Here's one thing English actually does correctly:

[spoiler]aluminum [/spoiler]

[snoorkel]

Poets are people who still talk like cavemen.

not real poets :o

Here's one thing English actually does correctly:

[spoiler]aluminum [/spoiler]

lol no kiddin