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Title: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 03:00:25 PM
budget: $400 - $500, maybe up to $600 but absolutely not a penny more than that

must haves:



so far i've been looking at the huawei mate 9 (http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mate_9-8073.php), and i was considering the lg v20 (http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_v20-8238.php) until i noticed its processor awdood;

hjelp me boyah

this is non-urgent, i have other expenses of higher priority so it'll be a while before i actually buy anything

meaning i have ample time to plan and compare, and maybe even await fresh new models

are there any new sh@phones on the horizon that might meet my strict criteria y/n
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on June 04, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
sounds like you might like the oneplus 3t
also what's with all the sudden purchases akudood;
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 03:53:26 PM
none of my purchases are sudden lol, they're all things i've needed for ages

it only seems like i'm "suddenly" making purchases because, well, for a while i was near completely inactive and therefore not informing you of my purchases lol
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on June 04, 2017, 03:57:11 PM
i mean just the last 2 days you've posted about a bunch of purchases you recently made
also august-october usually has a few solid phone releases, that's what i'm waiting for because my phone is getting more and more fucked by the day
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 04:02:42 PM
they're recent, but definitely not sudden

this phone certainly isn't a sudden desire either, i've gotten my two years of use out of my current phone and it's most definitely about time to be looking for a replacement (it's now quite buggy, unreliable and falling apart)

but i can definitely wait until august before buying

i very much like that the 3t has 6gb of ram, but otherwise it seems overpriced for what it offers judging by what i'm seeing on amzn

would i really be spending as much as $530 for one with an american warranty
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on June 04, 2017, 04:23:10 PM
that's  actually fairly cheap for a phone with those specs and a 2-year warranty
but it's just a half-upgrade from last year's model, we'll probably be getting the oneplus 4 in just a few months

also I never said any of these were sudden desires or impulsive purchases, and you've been active recently enough to have mentioned these before. in fact, you specifically said "today" in a number of your posts. I'm not trying to say you're buying all this out of nowhere, I'm wondering how you suddenly can afford it when you also recently said you could not afford these same things

My phone model is 32 months old, with my specific one being roughly a year old (it was a warranty replacement as my other ones broke) and yeah it just freezes up constantly, camera barely if ever works, and the battery gets me through about 6 hours (of semi-regular use, not SoT which is probably closer to 2.5)
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 04:53:09 PM
Oh, I still can't afford any of this. 5thgrade;

my current shitphone model (http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_zenfone_2_ze551ml-6917.php) is 29 months old and it'll probably be around 32 by the time i've finally replaced it

i've owned it since around august 2015, so my specific one will soon be 24mo

the battery dies spontaneously anywhere between 5% and 25%, like yours it gets about six-seven hours of regular use (but i have the screen on a lot because i'm an internet addict so it's even less than that), the chassis is cracking, it crashes on a regular basis due to ram limitations (despite having 4gb lol), and it completely disconnects from any network services (both wifi and lte/3g/2g) multiple times per day for minutes at a time seemingly at random which is truly maddening

and even when it is connected, it's often an extremely tenuous connection (you should have seen my tears when trying to skype with kaz/john during a gayming session the other night)

it's also permastuck on lagdroid 5.0, which is turrible
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on June 04, 2017, 05:31:01 PM
i feel like the amount of ram isn't the problem with your phone lol
my phone luckily made it to 6.0 which I'm fine with
i'm hoping the next Pixel phone is worthwhile, but it'll probably be just as overpriced as the last one
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 06:03:22 PM
Quote from: ƕɾο on June 04, 2017, 05:31:01 PM
i feel like the amount of ram isn't the problem with your phone lol


I've considered as much myself, but what else could it be? A weak CPU? befuddlement

it almost never actually reports more than ~3gb out of 4 in use at any given moment

but what else would be causing it randomly crash to homescreen in the middle of flipping through chrome tabs/other apps lol

[spoiler=i mean look at this](http://tinyimg.io/i/ofnjFkQ.jpg)[/spoiler]

although in that particular instance it actually is reporting over 3gb in use lol

and its cpu may be p. low-end today but it was solidly in the high mid range back in 2015

Quote from: ƕɾο on June 04, 2017, 05:31:01 PM
i'm hoping the next Pixel phone is worthwhile, but it'll probably be just as overpriced as the last one


lmao@pixl

google's sad attempt to be like apple in not a single one of the good ways, but absolutely all of the bad

the piggsl was never at any point worth more than $350
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: sc2020 on June 04, 2017, 06:32:52 PM
"lmao@pixl

google's sad attempt to be like apple in not a single one of the good ways, but absolutely all of the bad

the piggsl was never at any point worth more than $350"


ex[plain , i was thinking of buying one of these  (this is google fi u speak of yas?
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 06:46:12 PM
yes, the google pixel

it was way overpriced at launch, and now considering it's eight months old it's insanely overpriced for its weak cpu and other unremarkable hardware

the software's good but that's its only major selling point

you can get absolutely something of comparable performance for less than two thirds (maybe even half) the $650 base msrp (the most expensive configuration is nearly $900 lmao)
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: sc2020 on June 04, 2017, 07:02:04 PM
oh... what do u tihnk of the nexus 5x
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: ADX on June 04, 2017, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: ƕɾο on June 04, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
also what's with all the sudden purchases akudood;
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: SVT on June 04, 2017, 07:02:04 PM
oh... what do u tihnk of the nexus 5x


unless you can find it for like <$180, the nexus 5x's price:value ratio may actually be somehow even worse than the pixel's is

they're still charging $300 in 2017 for a phone that should have been no more than $250 in 2015

>2gb ram
>an insult of a processor
>criminally undersized battery
>horrible build quality
>random incurable bootlooping because it's a piece of lg trash

the thing is deservedly in the three-star range on both newegg and amzn (should be lower tbh)

honestly, unless you absolutely insist on having a pure android experience, i would avoid google phones altogether

the nexus phones haven't been good since the original nexus 6, and now the nexus brand is discontinued entirely lol doodthing;

what's your budget
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 09:07:30 PM
Quote from: ADX on June 04, 2017, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: ƕɾο on June 04, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
also what's with all the sudden purchases akudood;



how destitute exactly do you people think i am

i mean, i am poor, you're right

but random $3 trinkets on aliexpress that amount to literally tens of dollars total aren't exactly the most burdensome of expenses lol

also,

[spoiler=confession]

i don't always use the word "today" literally

some of those things were ordered a while ago lol, it's just that i'm only now getting to posting about them[/spoiler]

and finally, if you're thinking about the car, like i said, that was an extremely generous gift from a family member who upgraded, i haven't paid a penny for it girl;
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: sc2020 on June 04, 2017, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: SVT on June 04, 2017, 07:02:04 PM
oh... what do u tihnk of the nexus 5x


unless you can find it for like <$180, the nexus 5x's price:value ratio may actually be somehow even worse than the pixel's is

they're still charging $300 in 2017 for a phone that should have been no more than $250 in 2015

>2gb ram
>an insult of a processor
>criminally undersized battery
>horrible build quality
>random incurable bootlooping because it's a piece of lg trash

the thing is deservedly in the three-star range on both newegg and amzn (should be lower tbh)

honestly, unless you absolutely insist on having a pure android experience, i would avoid google phones altogether

the nexus phones haven't been good since the original nexus 6, and now the nexus brand is discontinued entirely lol doodthing;

what's your budget
i dont care/know too much about price of phones (i guess anywhere in 200 range is cook), my current phone costed me 30 dollars (not a smartphone) so the idea of spending 100s keeps me away from getting anything else.

But googlefi's plans are such a great deal that it's hard to pass it up. [20 bux a month for everything + 10 per gig.] my smartphone needs are uh limited too, i'd probably just use the GPS and google recipes when at grocery store. so i guess what i am saying Here is that unless there are great ass plans i am going to skip out on ANY smartphone. (currently paying 30 a month, dont really want to pay more)

i have no loyalties to andriod or apple
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 09:18:37 PM
i think $200 is about the minimum you want to be spending on a good shitphone, any less than that and you'll begin hating it within weeks

also are you saying you have google fiber confuseddood;
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: sc2020 on June 04, 2017, 09:20:13 PM
i am speaking of this
https://fi.google.com/about/phones/

not google fiber.

I currently have a unlimited talk+txt plan with verizon with a normal cellphone (not a smartphone)
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 09:37:22 PM
oh, i see

at those prices, i just don't see the value

google's service is more than likely just fine, but problem is the google handsets themselves - they are all heinously overpriced underperformers

the 5x should be $180 tops, the 6p should be $300 tops, and the pixels should be maxing out at $650, not starting there

if the pricing for the phones themselves were more like that, i'd probably recommend the 6p or maybe even the pixel, but at the current prices i couldn't recommend any of those

my advice: see what hiro has to say

otherwise, consider buying one of these outright:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N7IW7JX

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M6X8SDM/ (blue 64gb model is at a gr8 price)

https://www.amazon.com/Moto-Plus-5th-Generation-Lockscreen/dp/B01MR2ZFBI (i would only recommend the 4gb version)
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on June 04, 2017, 10:56:46 PM
genuinely curious: why spend so much money on a phone? i've never tackled anything that i couldn't do easily on my $200 "budget" android phones
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 11:27:50 PM
the mate 9 has a very specific feature set that i haven't really seen in any other phones in its price range or below:



perhaps my only real gripe is that it only has 4gb of ram at that price rather than 6, but considering everything else i think i can overlook that (and hopefully i won't regret overlooking it)

Quote from: antmaster5000 on June 04, 2017, 10:56:46 PM
i've never tackled anything that i couldn't do easily on my $200 "budget" android phones


that's the price range i've been shopping in for years

my current phone was $230 in 2015, and it's served me mostly pretty well

honestly, i could probably get away with the $219 phone i suggested to silvertone above

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2017, 09:37:22 PM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N7IW7JX


and be perfectly okay with that, but on the other hand i've always been curious about whether the price premium for high-end phones is anywhere near justified, and i've kind of taken a liking to the mate 9 lol
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on June 04, 2017, 11:40:18 PM
i just bought a moto g5 plus and it is great (i am a loyal moto g user) but i dropped it in the toilet and now the touch screen doesnt work lol
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 04, 2017, 11:50:41 PM
lol

have you given any consideration to what you might replace it with :(
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on June 05, 2017, 01:01:14 AM
i haven't lost all hope

i was a dumbass and started using it again within hours (i know i know) because it had just barely been submerged and the touchscreen wasnt working, but then like a few hours later it  WAS working, and then like two days later it stopped working again... then it worked for like a few hours and stopped again last night
i think there is some paste or something that needs to dry out so ill let it sit for sure until it is definitely dry

my mom gave me her old iphone 4 (i think that's what it is) which will suffice i guess lol. ive come to realize that as long as i can do my basic shit (calls/messaging/podcasts/music) i really dont need anything else. kind of like how small this phone is too
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 05, 2017, 01:23:20 AM
ah, so our usage patterns differ majorly

i do a huge amount of web browsing on my phone during downtime

so i value large screens, massive amounts of ram and high performance

if you're mostly just texting and listening to audio and using it as a phone, though, you definitely don't need as much power or as large a screen

i barely use my phone as a phone at all, though, i use it as a babby pc instead
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on June 05, 2017, 02:34:42 AM
the moto g4 was pretty good especially for a budget phone
5.5" sceen, pretty powerful tbh. im tempted to buy it again over the g5 even though the specs are a bit worse
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Snowy on June 05, 2017, 08:26:02 AM
[youtube]2j1AivjSlIA[/youtube]

For any durability questions you have about the Mate 9.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on June 05, 2017, 02:14:05 PM
what do i do with an old iphone 4s guys

are there cool apps or anything
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 06, 2017, 01:45:30 PM
the htc u11 looks good

i just wish the screen were slightly larger lol
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on June 06, 2017, 03:02:34 PM
Quote from: antmaster5000 on June 05, 2017, 02:14:05 PM
what do i do with an old iphone 4s guys

are there cool apps or anything

This thing is a piece of shit lol
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 06, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
lol

it is pretty old

it probably hasn't gotten an update in years

have you still not decided what you're going to do
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 12, 2017, 11:15:00 AM
my current phone spontaneously died again a few days ago 5thgrade;

i bought a battery pack to mitigate my problems but it's definitely time to upgrade
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on June 18, 2017, 12:22:07 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2017, 06:46:12 PM
yes, the google pixel

it was way overpriced at launch, and now considering it's eight months old it's insanely overpriced for its weak cpu and other unremarkable hardware

the software's good but that's its only major selling point

you can get absolutely something of comparable performance for less than two thirds (maybe even half) the $650 base msrp (the most expensive configuration is nearly $900 lmao)
Weak CPU? SD821 was the best Qualcomm you could get until SD835 released this year.

That said, it is definitely the most overpriced Google phone yet. Rather than internal specs, I think the design is the main point that's lacking compared to the price. No waterproofing at all (unlike every other comparable 2016 phone), huge bezels that are completely empty with no speakers or buttons or anything to justify it.

I want it, but mostly because of the small size (basically nothing else is made at that size anymore) and the software. I'd probably prefer the Galaxy S7 or S8 for this size and lower price and Exynos if not for the Samsung junkware.

In hardware, one advantage Google has over whatever cheaper phones you might be thinking about is the camera.

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: SVT on June 04, 2017, 07:02:04 PM
oh... what do u tihnk of the nexus 5x


unless you can find it for like <$180, the nexus 5x's price:value ratio may actually be somehow even worse than the pixel's is

they're still charging $300 in 2017 for a phone that should have been no more than $250 in 2015

>2gb ram
>an insult of a processor
>criminally undersized battery
>horrible build quality
>random incurable bootlooping because it's a piece of lg trash

the thing is deservedly in the three-star range on both newegg and amzn (should be lower tbh)

honestly, unless you absolutely insist on having a pure android experience, i would avoid google phones altogether
I'm using a Nexus 5X right now.

I bought it at launch for the full $420 myface;
it got the fastest price drop ever of any Google phone only a few months later

My biggest issue with it and the main reason I want another phone soon is the storage: I paid extra for the biggest capacity option, but it's still only 32GB non-expandable. Not enough for me. The size (slightly bigger than I'd like) and RAM are moderately annoying too. Its software is already approaching end-of-life this year. Still, I'd recommend it at the current price.

I think mobile CPUs are advanced enough now that the difference between SD808 and basically anything else isn't particularly important if even noticeable at all. I'd even argue it's better than SD810  because of heat and battery life. I haven't had any hardware failure or bootlooping. I really liked the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 which were both also LG devices.

Side note: by principal, I hate that Google removed wireless charging from the Nexus 5X because the 6P's metal design can't support it and they refused to let the 5X have any sort of advantage over the 6P. The low RAM and storage specs were probably also chosen to make the 6P seem more appealing in comparison.

I'd say Sony's phones are the next closest to stock Android, but they're even more overpriced than Google.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on June 18, 2017, 12:41:56 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2017, 06:03:22 PM
Quote from: ƕɾο on June 04, 2017, 05:31:01 PM
i feel like the amount of ram isn't the problem with your phone lol


I've considered as much myself, but what else could it be? A weak CPU? befuddlement

it almost never actually reports more than ~3gb out of 4 in use at any given moment

but what else would be causing it randomly crash to homescreen in the middle of flipping through chrome tabs/other apps lol

[spoiler=i mean look at this](http://tinyimg.io/i/ofnjFkQ.jpg)[/spoiler]

although in that particular instance it actually is reporting over 3gb in use lol

and its cpu may be p. low-end today but it was solidly in the high mid range back in 2015
For mobile SoCs, as you're well aware, Intel is very niche. It's very probable those issues can be caused by chipset and driver issues, especially wireless.

You definitely shouldn't be seeing full OS crashes from Android due to RAM at 4GB. I've never even seen it on 2GB.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 21, 2017, 01:33:10 AM
Quote from: bluaki on June 18, 2017, 12:41:56 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2017, 06:03:22 PM
Quote from: ƕɾο on June 04, 2017, 05:31:01 PM
i feel like the amount of ram isn't the problem with your phone lol


I've considered as much myself, but what else could it be? A weak CPU? befuddlement

it almost never actually reports more than ~3gb out of 4 in use at any given moment

but what else would be causing it randomly crash to homescreen in the middle of flipping through chrome tabs/other apps lol

[spoiler=i mean look at this](http://tinyimg.io/i/ofnjFkQ.jpg)[/spoiler]

although in that particular instance it actually is reporting over 3gb in use lol

and its cpu may be p. low-end today but it was solidly in the high mid range back in 2015
For mobile SoCs, as you're well aware, Intel is very niche. It's very probable those issues can be caused by chipset and driver issues, especially wireless.

You definitely shouldn't be seeing full OS crashes from Android due to RAM at 4GB. I've never even seen it on 2GB.


the wireless issues are almost certainly on intel, that's true

and i guess it's possible all the other little issues are attributable to the phone's unusual x86 architecture as well

"crash" might have been too strong a word, rather what happens is it dumps everything currently loaded from the memory, leaving me to reset anything i had open

v. annoying because sometimes i end up losing data that would not be easy to recover
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 21, 2017, 01:50:04 AM
Quote from: bluaki on June 18, 2017, 12:22:07 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2017, 06:46:12 PM
yes, the google pixel

it was way overpriced at launch, and now considering it's eight months old it's insanely overpriced for its weak cpu and other unremarkable hardware

the software's good but that's its only major selling point

you can get absolutely something of comparable performance for less than two thirds (maybe even half) the $650 base msrp (the most expensive configuration is nearly $900 lmao)
Weak CPU? SD821 was the best Qualcomm you could get until SD835 released this year.


weak cpu considering its insane pricing

weak cpu relative to the beastly a10, the kirin, the exynos, etc., all of which blew the 821 out of the water with lower power draw/greater efficiency/much less heat waste

the only thing the 821 could blow up was itself myface;

Quote from: bluaki on June 18, 2017, 12:22:07 AM
That said, it is definitely the most overpriced Google phone yet. Rather than internal specs, I think the design is the main point that's lacking compared to the price. No waterproofing at all (unlike every other comparable 2016 phone), huge bezels that are completely empty with no speakers or buttons or anything to justify it.

I want it, but mostly because of the small size (basically nothing else is made at that size anymore) and the software. I'd probably prefer the Galaxy S7 or S8 for this size and lower price and Exynos if not for the Samsung junkware.

In hardware, one advantage Google has over whatever cheaper phones you might be thinking about is the camera.


its hardware is pure disappointment but yeah, there's no arguing that the one area in which the pixel shines is the camera

it's still probably the best camera available on any mobile device

Quote from: bluaki on June 18, 2017, 12:22:07 AM
I'm using a Nexus 5X right now.

I bought it at launch for the full $420 myface;


you poor thing

how badly has it mistreated you

Quote from: bluaki on June 18, 2017, 12:22:07 AM
My biggest issue with it and the main reason I want another phone soon is the storage: I paid extra for the biggest capacity option, but it's still only 32GB non-expandable. Not enough for me. The size (slightly bigger than I'd like) and RAM are moderately annoying too. Its software is already approaching end-of-life this year. Still, I'd recommend it at the current price.


yep, everything about this phone screamed $250@launch, tops

and yet they had the audacity to charge over $400

and yet they have the audacity to still be charging $300

your average $200 sh*tphone these days has more ram and an at least equal if not better processor than the nexus 5x

Quote from: bluaki on June 18, 2017, 12:22:07 AM
I haven't had any hardware failure or bootlooping.


you may be one of the lucky ones

it happens to a lot of the more recent lg devices

https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-bootloop-lawsuit-adds-nexus-5x-lg-g5-v20-case/

Quote from: bluaki on June 18, 2017, 12:22:07 AM
Side note: by principal, I hate that Google removed wireless charging from the Nexus 5X because the 6P's metal design can't support it and they refused to let the 5X have any sort of advantage over the 6P. The low RAM and storage specs were probably also chosen to make the 6P seem more appealing in comparison.


and i of course hate when companies do this too awdood;
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on June 21, 2017, 04:36:17 AM
tec, thoughts on oneplus 5? y/n
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 22, 2017, 12:32:13 PM
Quote from: ƕɾο on June 21, 2017, 04:36:17 AM
tec, thoughts on oneplus 5? y/n


it meets many of my criteria

pros:

+the only decent snapdragon processor in 2017
+many rams
+1080p
+decently-sized battery
+ostensibly good ui
+decent amount of storage
+great price for what it offers
+good screen/body ratio

neutral:

•neither an upgrade nor a downgrade in terms of screen size, but i would prefer at least 5.7in
•processor may be decent but it's still a scrapdragon

cons:

-amoled
-disappointing camera
-no sd card slot

hmmm

certainly an option worthy of consideration
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on June 22, 2017, 11:58:39 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 22, 2017, 12:32:13 PM
neutral:

•neither an upgrade nor a downgrade in terms of screen size, but i would prefer at least 5.7in
holy hell how large of a phone do you want goonish
I can't go with this phone because it's too large for me, in fact I think the GS8 is the only phone that seems to be acceptable to me right now in that regard, and even then it's too tall

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 22, 2017, 12:32:13 PM
cons:
-amoled
how is amoled a bad thing?
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 24, 2017, 02:38:47 AM
Quote from: ƕɾο on June 22, 2017, 11:58:39 PM
holy hell how large of a phone do you want goonish
I can't go with this phone because it's too large for me, in fact I think the GS8 is the only phone that seems to be acceptable to me right now in that regard, and even then it's too tall


i think that between 5.7 and 5.9in is ideal, especially with minimal bezels for maximal screen real estate

Quote from: ƕɾο on June 22, 2017, 11:58:39 PM
how is amoled a bad thing?


it's an immature technology with burn-in/color shift issues that amoled fanboys always like to deny

despite it being clearly evident on demo devices with amoled screens, and despite there being much evidence of burn-in occurring on user devices

amoled may be better looking (at first), but until the burn-in issue is made negligible, i would prefer the longevity and stability of an ips display for a device i intend to use actively for two years
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on June 24, 2017, 03:13:53 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 24, 2017, 02:38:47 AM
it's an immature technology with burn-in/color shift issued that amoled fanboys always like to deny

despite it being clearly evident on demo devices with amoled screens, and despite there being much evidence of burn-in occurring on user devices

amoled may be better looking (at first), but until the burn-in issue is made negligible, i would prefer the longevity and stability of an ips display for a device i intend to use actively for two years
i mean most types of screens have these issues to an extent, though yes it's slightly more prevalent with amoled, I find the lighting to be much better, and especially with a lot of lock screens mimicking the moto x's style nowadays with an all-black background, having the full screen backlit seems silly and negates the whole effect. I don't know about "amoled fanboys" but my phone does have one and I like it. The only burn-in I've noticed in the slightest is a small amount on the bottom navigation icons, but since those are always there anyway it's not like that even matters
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 24, 2017, 03:19:05 AM
you would have to go to the ~EXTREME~ to get any sort of burn-in on an ips display lol

in fact i'm not even sure it's possible

whereas it occurs with basic natural use on just about any amoled display

i would prefer to avoid that problem because it just means the screen that was of peak quality out of the box will gradually become dull and uneven over my two years of ownership
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 24, 2017, 04:20:58 AM
so i've discovered that there is one other phone that satisfies the vast majority of my criteria:

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2017, 03:00:25 PM
budget: $400 - $500, maybe up to $600 but absolutely not a penny more than that

must haves:

  • minimum 4gb ram (preferably 6gb)

  • minimum 32gb storage

  • minimum 1080p display (1080p preferred)

  • minimum 5.7" display

  • ips lcd, no burn in-prone oled trash

  • non-terrible camera

  • decent battery life

  • no qualcomm processors below the 835



the galaxy s8+

it too is amoled but oh well, it meets each of my other conditions

and like the mate 9, it also meets these conditions:

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2017, 11:27:50 PM
  • no bigger than my comfortably sized current phone despite having a much larger screen

  • [...] purportedly excellent battery life

  • band 12 which is important for t-mobile and which my current phone lacks

  • 64gb storage, more than adequate for me (current phone has 16gb which can sometimes be a bit of a challenge)

  • sd card slot



in fact the s8+ is even smaller than my current 5.5" phone in all dimensions but height

sadly the s8+ also meets this condition:

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 04, 2017, 11:27:50 PM
perhaps my only real gripe is that it only has 4gb of ram at that price rather than 6, but considering everything else i think i can overlook that (and hopefully i won't regret overlooking it)


but still

hmmm befuddlement
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 21, 2017, 01:50:04 AM
you poor thing

how badly has it mistreated you
My previous phone was the Nexus 4, so it's a pretty big improvement over that. Faster processor, more storage, much better battery life, drastically better camera, added LTE support, USB-C is good (charging speeds too), and I even like the fingerprint sensor (despite my general dislike for biometric auth, I use it).

Funny enough, storage was one of the biggest reasons I wanted to upgrade from the Nexus 4 (16GB) as well. The other was losing Android updates. I really wanted 64GB+ and would've paid more for it, but I settled for 32GB.

Even before it launched, I was hesitant about the 5X's size. I already thought the Nexus 4 bezels were bad for its time, but the 5X had even worse bezels, and the Pixel somehow has worse yet (codename sailfish? more like crimson_chin). I still don't like the size, but at least it's lighter and thinner than the Nexus 4 which is pretty nice.

I thought the 2GB RAM would be significantly worse than the Nexus 4's 2GB because of moving from 768p to 1080p and from 32-bit to 64-bit, but it surprisingly feels about the same. It's silly that the RAM didn't increase at all three years later and at $80 higher launch price (N4 was $350). From 2011-2013, Google's phones doubled in RAM every year, then they just kept 2GB for four years in a row across the Nexus 4, 5, 6, and 5X.

Until I hit the storage ceiling, it was fine. RAM isn't a big problem, I don't dislike the SD808 at all, and it just works well overall. No reception issues or anything else really.

This is the first time I seriously wanted to upgrade to a new phone only one year later. Both the Nexus 4 and Nexus S lasted me more than two years after I got them before seriously needing an upgrade.

If they had just rereleased the Nexus 5 two years later with an updated SoC, more RAM, 64GB+ storage, a fixed power button, and USB-C, I'd still be happy with it today, but despite the name they didn't do that. Nexus 5 still has my favorite design of all Google phones: great size, good screen-to-body ratio, and a soft plastic back. Google even tried marketing the 5X with "We brought back everything you loved about the Nexus 5" even though it's not similar at all besides the soft plastic back and the LG logo.

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 21, 2017, 01:50:04 AM
yep, everything about this phone screamed $250@launch, tops

and yet they had the audacity to charge over $400

and yet they have the audacity to still be charging $300

your average $200 sh*tphone these days has more ram and an at least equal if not better processor than the nexus 5x
Correction on my last post: it was $429 at launch for 32GB, not $420, so even worse. The 16GB version (why) was $379.

And I disagree, I think it was worth more like $350 at launch (for 32GB). $250 was and still kinda is a real bargain for what this phone offers.

Where do you get "still charging $300" from? Didn't Google stop making and selling Nexus phones before the Pixel was announced?

It seems most new/unused ebay listings for the 5X range from about $270-$310. I've seen it drop to about $250 new for 32GB on ebay a few times last year, but only during limited-time sales and only for the non-US version (no CDMA, no band 12).

What $200 phones available today do you actually think are better than the 5X? How about even $250? For example, Moto G4 is $200 (2GB, 16GB storage) and G5 is $300 (4GB, 64GB storage), and both of them have drastically weaker SoC and much worse camera than the 5X.

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 21, 2017, 01:50:04 AM
Quote from: bluaki on June 18, 2017, 12:22:07 AM
Side note: by principal, I hate that Google removed wireless charging from the Nexus 5X because the 6P's metal design can't support it and they refused to let the 5X have any sort of advantage over the 6P. The low RAM and storage specs were probably also chosen to make the 6P seem more appealing in comparison.


and i of course hate when companies do this too awdood;
Adding to this, I saw some claims around the time it was announced that the Nexus 6P existing is partly to blame for the 5X's awful pricing too. For 32GB models, the 5X ($429) was only $70 less than the 6P ($499), as if Google wanted to avoid pushing people to the 5X with a price gap. Even the wildly overpriced Pixel is still $100 less than the bigger model despite sharing basically the same specs, unlike the lower-RAM cheaper-SoC 5X.

Well, prices for the Pixel don't exactly mean much, considering even the small model is overpriced by at least like $200. Matching the iPhone in the US and even drastically exceeding it in every other country is crazy, considering even when you ignore the cut corners it's more comparable to the Galaxy S7 which has been priced lower since launch and dropped even more in the months before Pixel's launch.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 24, 2017, 04:20:58 AM
so i've discovered that there is one other phone that satisfies the vast majority of my criteria:

the galaxy s8+

it too is amoled but oh well, it meets each of my other conditions

and like the mate 9, it also meets these conditions:

in fact the s8+ is even smaller than my current 5.5" phone in all dimensions but height
Yeah, you'd probably like the S8+ if those details are what you want. You could even import the better Exynos version, but I'm not sure if that works with Band 12.

There aren't that many SD835 devices yet. Your options are basically S8/S8+, Sony Xperia XZ Premium, OnePlus 5, Xiaomi Mi 6, or waiting for unannounced future phones like Pixel 2 XXL or LG V30.

By the way, even though the extra-tall ratio (18.5:9) makes the S8+ measure 6.2" diagonally, its width actually matches what you'd get from a 5.53" 16:9 phone. The XZ Premium and OnePlus 5 have 5.5" displays too.

If you really want more than 4GB, I guess OnePlus is your only option. Or Mi 6, but I doubt you want to consider that.

The new big Pixel might meet what you want too: current rumors say it's SD835 with 4GB RAM and a 6.0" display with smaller bezels.

On the other hand, the current rumors for the smaller Pixel paint an awful picture: keeps the huge bezels but adds dual front-facing speakers, loses the headphone jack, and is otherwise the same besides upgrading the SoC from SD821 to SD835. If this turns out to be true, I'm buying a 2016 Pixel as soon as the imminent replacement causes its first price drop ever.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 26, 2017, 01:52:18 AM
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
Even before it launched, I was hesitant about the 5X's size. I already thought the Nexus 4 bezels were bad for its time, but the 5X had even worse bezels, and the Pixel somehow has worse yet


how is this even possible

Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
(codename sailfish? more like crimson_chin).


i lol'd

Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
It's silly that the RAM didn't increase at all three years later and at $80 higher launch price (N4 was $350). From 2011-2013, Google's phones doubled in RAM every year, then they just kept 2GB for four years in a row across the Nexus 4, 5, 6, and 5X.


absolutely disgraceful, i agree

Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
This is the first time I seriously wanted to upgrade to a new phone only one year later. Both the Nexus 4 and Nexus S lasted me more than two years after I got them before seriously needing an upgrade.


and it's only because the nexus 5x was criminally underspecced at launch in 2015 for a $430 device

i always try to buy phones that will last me a minimum of two years, avd even my $230 2015 shitphone managed because it was arguably even overspecced for its price

and that's why i'm so bothered by the fact that there are so few options with >4gb of ram in 2017: my cheap 2015 shitphone had that much at launch

Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
Correction on my last post: it was $429 at launch for 32GB, not $420, so even worse. The 16GB version (why) was $379.


myface;

Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
What $200 phones available today do you actually think are better than the 5X? How about even $250? For example, Moto G4 is $200 (2GB, 16GB storage) and G5 is $300 (4GB, 64GB storage), and both of them have drastically weaker SoC and much worse camera than the 5X.


https://www.amazon.com/ZTE-Blade-Factory-Unlocked-Phone/dp/B01N7IW7JX

this is $230, has more ram than the 5x, and the 625 is generally superior as a cpu to the 808

the 625 has a lesser gpu, but cpu performance matters far, far more for general use than gpu performance in phones

also, the moto g line in particular is another series of phones whose level of popularity today is completely unwarranted

the very first moto g had a wonderful price:value ratio

every moto g since has been underpowered absolute slop

to think i almost bought one of the things in 2015 before i discovered the zenfone lol

i'd probably have felt compelled to buy a new device at the end of my first year with the moto g 2
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 26, 2017, 01:57:14 AM
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
Adding to this, I saw some claims around the time it was announced that the Nexus 6P existing is partly to blame for the 5X's awful pricing too. For 32GB models, the 5X ($429) was only $70 less than the 6P ($499), as if Google wanted to avoid pushing people to the 5X with a price gap.


i wouldn't doubt that this is true at all

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoy_effect

decoy pricing should be illegal

Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
Well, prices for the Pixel don't exactly mean much, considering even the small model is overpriced by at least like $200. Matching the iPhone in the US and even drastically exceeding it in every other country is crazy, considering even when you ignore the cut corners it's more comparable to the Galaxy S7 which has been priced lower since launch and dropped even more in the months before Pixel's launch.


google is absolutely nuts tbh

actually, lots of lagdroid oems are

they want all of the prestige of apple but don't do anything except the most superficial things they can do in a sad attempt to achieve that

and they fail every time, which is why the nexus line bombed, and why the pixels will next, unless they change their strategy
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on June 26, 2017, 02:51:54 AM
I hate all phones at the moment
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 26, 2017, 03:14:06 AM
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 11:07:35 PM
Yeah, you'd probably like the S8+ if those details are what you want. You could even import the better Exynos version, but I'm not sure if that works with Band 12.


it does, but sadly importing is way more expensive than buying domestically

it'd be over 2x what i would pay here for the inferior 835 variant

...Also, the Chinese and Korean versions of the S8 have both the Exynos and 6GB of RAM. awdood;

qualcomm truly goes out of its way to ensure we get the worst models of the samsung devices in north america and it's kind of maddening

Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 11:07:35 PM
By the way, even though the extra-tall ratio (18.5:9) makes the S8+ measure 6.2" diagonally, its width actually matches what you'd get from a 5.53" 16:9 phone. The XZ Premium and OnePlus 5 have 5.5" displays too.


i definitely appreciate the fact that its unusual aspect ratio makes it narrower than most 5.5" phones

and the screen area of the s8+ is actually greater than that of the 5.9in mate 9, despite again being significantly easier to hold

the s8's tiny bezels certainly help

Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 11:07:35 PM
If you really want more than 4GB, I guess OnePlus is your only option. Or Mi 6, but I doubt you want to consider that.

The new big Pixel might meet what you want too: current rumors say it's SD835 with 4GB RAM and a 6.0" display with smaller bezels.


a shame that all of these are hugely compromised in other important ways awdood;

Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 11:07:35 PM
On the other hand, the current rumors for the smaller Pixel paint an awful picture: keeps the huge bezels but adds dual front-facing speakers, loses the headphone jack, and is otherwise the same besides upgrading the SoC from SD821 to SD835. If this turns out to be true, I'm buying a 2016 Pixel as soon as the imminent replacement causes its first price drop ever.


and this is why the pixel series will prove to be google's next nexus-tier failed experiment
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 04:39:36 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 01:52:18 AM
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
Even before it launched, I was hesitant about the 5X's size. I already thought the Nexus 4 bezels were bad for its time, but the 5X had even worse bezels, and the Pixel somehow has worse yet


how is this even possible
I think Pixel's bezels are just about exactly the same size as the Nexus 5X, but they're proportionally larger because they're put next to a smaller screen. Unlike the Nexuses, Pixel doesn't have speakers or anything else in those bezels, so they're totally empty which makes them appear bigger and also clearly useless.

When measured straight, the 5X bezels are only very slightly bigger (maybe 1mm on both top and bottom, probably small enough that you could say it's proportionally smaller compared to the bigger screen) than the Nexus 4, but they look a lot bigger because the phone is more rectangular than any previous Nexus phone which means there's more area in those bezels.

Meanwhile, Samsung's Galaxy S series had smaller bezels than any of these three phones in every device since... the Galaxy S3 in 2012.

Google showed it was capable of making smaller bezels with the Nexus 5 and Nexus 6, but they backtracked in this sense with the 2015 devices and went back even further in 2016. At least they haven't quite backtracked all the way to the 2010 Nexus S, but they're pretty close.

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 01:52:18 AM
and that's why i'm so bothered by the fact that there are so few options with >4gb of ram in 2017: my cheap 2015 shitphone had that much at launch
To be fair, 4GB was pretty rare in 2015, I think all the major flagships only had 3GB.

I feel like you can probably at least partially attribute the stagnation to Qualcomm. It's clearly possible to have more than 4GB on an SD835, but there might be some sort of weird tradeoffs like memory bandwidth or latency thanks to limitations in the memory controller. I don't know, I'm just speculating, but with what I know about hardware I think that sounds like a plausible explanation for why only someone like OnePlus would do it.

Planned obsolescence is clearly a design goal with all the major smartphone manufacturers. With how much perceived performance has stagnated, they probably want to draw out what little improvements are left so that there's still clear improvement every year and more manufactured reason to give up the older devices. That means, regardless whether it's easy to add or within the budget of all the flagships, you're not getting 8GB RAM this year.

Still, for a phone, 4GB should be good, especially if you choose a vendor that doesn't consume half of that with heavily skinned SystemUI and home screen. For some more context of scale: even if you multitask a lot, it's probably nowhere near comparable to how much stuff you would keep open on a laptop, and even the premium laptops still go with 8GB standard while 4GB is very common with cheaper models and 16GB is pretty much entirely reserved to the "pay a lot extra to add this extra premium option on your already-premium laptop" tier.

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 01:52:18 AM
also, the moto g line in particular is another series of phones whose level of popularity today is completely unwarranted

the very first moto g had a wonderful price:value ratio

every moto g since has been underpowered absolute slop

to think i almost bought one of the things in 2015 before i discovered the zenfone lol

i'd probably have felt compelled to buy a new device at the end of my first year with the moto g 2
Yeah, I remember thinking the 2013 Moto G was really nice and it really stood out, but all the revisions really feel "meh". The 2nd gen Moto E in 2015 also stood out pretty well, and the Zenfone 2 which was also 2015, but I haven't heard much about any other particularly great budget phones.

I feel like there's some sort of consensus lately that phone specs are good enough now that there's hardly any reason to go for flagships anymore, but I don't hear much of anything about actual examples anymore. Maybe people just don't talk about them as much anymore, or at least not at any of the places I check. Most of the time I check Amazon or whatever, I find that older flagships seem generally better for the same price than new lower-tier devices.

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 01:57:14 AM
and they fail every time, which is why the nexus line bombed, and why the pixels will next, unless they change their strategy
Nexus line bombed because it had zero advertising and minimal-to-no carrier partnerships and very little availability outside the US. The Pixel performed as poorly as it did because Google decided to go all-out on advertising and then not manufacture enough of the devices to meet even a fraction of the demand before people gave up and looked elsewhere.

If nobody knows about the device, or nobody who wants it is able to acquire the device, then any of the other mistakes are frankly meaningless for sales numbers. As awful as the Pixel pricing is, it wasn't awful enough to make the demand low enough to be met by the supply.

I don't know if this phenomenon also has a name, but I feel like Google might've been betting on the idea that people perceive higher-priced items as better... and they might've been, unfortunately, right about that. "It's the same price as the iPhone, so it's just as good" is likely what they were going for.

Come to think of it, a lot of Google's non-phone devices did pretty well. Chromecast is wildly successful, Nexus 7 was really popular, Google Home is pretty well-known, even the Nexus Player was fairly widespread. I guess Google is a lot better at dealing with retailers than it is with carriers, and carrier partnerships are what you need for a phone to be remotely successful in the US.

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 03:14:06 AM
it does, but sadly importing is way more expensive than buying domestically

it'd be over 2x what i would pay here for the inferior 835 variant
Amazon sells the international (G955F) S8+ for $750. The US version costs between $750~$850 from carriers and unlocked from retailers like Best Buy as far as I can tell. How is that half the price?

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 03:14:06 AM
i definitely appreciate the fact that its unusual aspect ratio makes it narrower than most 5.5" phones

Nah, the ratio would put it at the same width or very slightly wider than most 5.5" phones. It's the curved display and lack of left/right bezel that makes it narrower. But that same curved display also means that, from a front view, the screen is effectively smaller.

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 03:14:06 AM
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 11:07:35 PM
If you really want more than 4GB, I guess OnePlus is your only option. Or Mi 6, but I doubt you want to consider that.

The new big Pixel might meet what you want too: current rumors say it's SD835 with 4GB RAM and a 6.0" display with smaller bezels.


a shame that all of these are hugely compromised in other important ways awdood;
The Pixel 2 XXL doesn't have any compromises confirmed yet. I'm sure they'll come with time, of course.

The comment I said about the headphone jack applies just to the smaller version, the source specifically says the bigger one does have a headphone jack in contrast.

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 03:14:06 AM
and this is why the pixel series will prove to be google's next nexus-tier failed experiment

Will your opinion change if/when the Google SoC is ready for consumers and put in Pixel devices?

but yeah, the current rumors are a mess. They give the impression that the design goals are all over the place, considering they claimed a 5.5" device that had been in production until recently was just canceled and that the 6.0" device seems like an entirely separate thing with a completely different design instead of a bigger version. They are still just rumors, so they could be wrong.

I think it's been confirmed that the first Pixel devices were rushed in development, because initially negotiations were happening with Huawei for manufacturing but they bailed out (Google went with HTC instead afterward) because of a branding/logo disagreement, and the rushed production is probably why the first PIxel phone has a front that looks like exactly the same shape/dimensions/ratios as an existing HTC phone but with the buttons removed.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 26, 2017, 12:53:04 PM
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 04:39:36 AM
To be fair, 4GB was pretty rare in 2015, I think all the major flagships only had 3GB.

I feel like you can probably at least partially attribute the stagnation to Qualcomm. It's clearly possible to have more than 4GB on an SD835, but there might be some sort of weird tradeoffs like memory bandwidth or latency thanks to limitations in the memory controller. I don't know, I'm just speculating, but with what I know about hardware I think that sounds like a plausible explanation for why only someone like OnePlus would do it.

Planned obsolescence is clearly a design goal with all the major smartphone manufacturers. With how much perceived performance has stagnated, they probably want to draw out what little improvements are left so that there's still clear improvement every year and more manufactured reason to give up the older devices. That means, regardless whether it's easy to add or within the budget of all the flagships, you're not getting 8GB RAM this year.

Still, for a phone, 4GB should be good, especially if you choose a vendor that doesn't consume half of that with heavily skinned SystemUI and home screen. For some more context of scale: even if you multitask a lot, it's probably nowhere near comparable to how much stuff you would keep open on a laptop, and even the premium laptops still go with 8GB standard while 4GB is very common with cheaper models and 16GB is pretty much entirely reserved to the "pay a lot extra to add this extra premium option on your already-premium laptop" tier.


Yep, I myself suspected that the pitiful RAM situation was attributable to Qualcomm being absolutely pathetic once again. awdood;

8gb is excessive but 6gb would greatly improve the longevity of flagship devices, i think

the same thing happens in the gpu space pretty regularly: a single gpu is released in two configurations, the more expensive model with 2x the memory of the less expensive model

and the longevity award goes to the more expensive one every single time, strictly due to having more ram in spite of otherwise equivalent specs

Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 04:39:36 AM
I feel like there's some sort of consensus lately that phone specs are good enough now that there's hardly any reason to go for flagships anymore, but I don't hear much of anything about actual examples anymore. Maybe people just don't talk about them as much anymore, or at least not at any of the places I check. Most of the time I check Amazon or whatever, I find that older flagships seem generally better for the same price than new lower-tier devices.


these days it's necessary to do your own research

there are still good and reasonably priced phones that hit the market on a fairly regular basis, but they often come from companies whose names might not be as familiar as motorola or sony

although it's also often true that a last-year flagship might be a better deal

but yes, the mobile industry has matured enough that basically anything $200+ is probably 'good enough' for most basic needs

Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 04:39:36 AM
I don't know if this phenomenon also has a name, but I feel like Google might've been betting on the idea that people perceive higher-priced items as better... and they might've been, unfortunately, right about that. "It's the same price as the iPhone, so it's just as good" is likely what they were going for.


there are several terms for this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law_of_business_balance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption

google (and other android oems) wants to benefit from the veblen good effect, and ultimately want their devices to become status symbols for conspicuous consumers

...except there is not a single shred of prestige associated with google/android, nor does "quality" come to mind when you think of the average ugly laggy android device and and the abundance of terrible and often hilariously overpriced phones that pollute the platform

so the strategy never actually works for android oems, google included, and it likely never will

only apple can manage because apple isn't absolutely lazy about quality and understands the importance of both presentation and customer satisfaction

iphone fanboys have every reason to be proud of their devices

whereas android owners should be, and are, ashamed

Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 04:39:36 AM
The Pixel 2 XXL doesn't have any compromises confirmed yet. I'm sure they'll come with time, of course.

The comment I said about the headphone jack applies just to the smaller version, the source specifically says the bigger one does have a headphone jack in contrast.


i feel like there's a missed opportunity here: PIXXL y/n

but yeah of course google will ruin it somehow

By the way, is there any good justification whatsoever for the removal of the headphone jack? Is it really just a matter of making the device half a millimeter slimmer? befuddlement

because if it is, android oems are even dumber and more shameless than i could possibly have imagined for following apple off that particular cliff

Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 04:39:36 AM
Will your opinion change if/when the Google SoC is ready for consumers and put in Pixel devices?


only if it's good

but you'd have to go out of your way to be any worse than qualcomm

i like the idea of google producing its own chip because it would at least expose qualcomm to some desperately-needed competition (again assuming google's soc is even remotely decent, which is a huge assumption myface;)

Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 04:39:36 AM
but yeah, the current rumors are a mess. They give the impression that the design goals are all over the place, considering they claimed a 5.5" device that had been in production until recently was just canceled and that the 6.0" device seems like an entirely separate thing with a completely different design instead of a bigger version. They are still just rumors, so they could be wrong.

I think it's been confirmed that the first Pixel devices were rushed in development, because initially negotiations were happening with Huawei for manufacturing but they bailed out (Google went with HTC instead afterward) because of a branding/logo disagreement, and the rushed production is probably why the first PIxel phone has a front that looks like exactly the same shape/dimensions/ratios as an existing HTC phone but with the buttons removed.


sad, isn't it

apple simply isn't this disorganized
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 26, 2017, 12:58:59 PM
Anyway, I did ultimately end up buying the S8+. sillydood;

but

Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 04:39:36 AM
Amazon sells the international (G955F) S8+ for $750. The US version costs between $750~$850 from carriers and unlocked from retailers like Best Buy as far as I can tell. How is that half the price?


i didn't pay anything near full price for it lol

t mobile had a buy one get one free* offer on the s8 phones, so i did that

and ultimately i only paid about $395 for my own (which is only 2/3 what i would have paid for the mate 9)

so importing for me would have been nearly 2x more than what i paid for the sad american 835 model

Welp, I hope Samsung's TouchJizz™ isn't as egregious as I expect it to be. goowan
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Thyme on June 26, 2017, 01:14:26 PM
why are phones so

Quote from: C.Mongler on June 26, 2017, 12:56:29 PM
spensy
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 26, 2017, 01:21:05 PM
srsly

[spoiler]

though you can find v. good ones that aren't so spensy

like, again, the zte v8 pro

and the s8+ at $395 is a p. good deal imo

the regular s8 can be had for as little as $375 (though at that point you might as well get the +)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 12:53:04 PM
there are several terms for this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law_of_business_balance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption

google (and other android oems) wants to benefit from the veblen good effect, and ultimately want their devices to become status symbols for conspicuous consumers

...except there is not a single shred of prestige associated with google/android, nor does "quality" come to mind when you think of the average ugly laggy android device and and the abundance of terrible and often hilariously overpriced phones that pollute the platform

so the strategy never actually works for android oems, google included, and it likely never will

only apple can manage because apple isn't absolutely lazy about quality and understands the importance of both presentation and customer satisfaction

iphone fanboys have every reason to be proud of their devices

whereas android owners should be, and are, ashamed
What's so terrible about flagship Android devices in your opinion, compared to iPhone? Is it just the Qualcomm vs Apple SoC and nothing else?

Apple devices seem to be basically the same but with a big home button instead of Android's 3 navigation buttons (or onscreen nav), less RAM, and lower screen resolutions.

Well, at least on the software UX side of things, I guess I'll agree with you that Apple actually kinda knows what they're doing (though they make mistakes like the entire emoji set and skeumorphism). Google seems to actually put some thought into UX even if they make a lot of baffling decisions about stuff like consistency or ditching services they don't like or releasing new services that compete with themselves or totally forgetting about tablets existing every time they redesign anything. Samsung and other Android OEMs seem to just slap features and content in without really acknowledging the whole at all in terms of UX, and they often bundled other disjoint products due to partnerships and junk.

Good multitasking ability is great, but older versions of Android were so generous about it that apps could actively kill RAM and battery life (especially when facebook is installed) and it's really hard for google to rein things in to improve those problems without breaking old APIs that tons of apps depend on. They've been gradually improving things on this front with major Android updates, but it's slow, and app developers keep answering those improvements with more and more bloated apps. I still think it's worth it compared to what iOS offers.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 12:53:04 PM
By the way, is there any good justification whatsoever for the removal of the headphone jack? Is it really just a matter of making the device half a millimeter slimmer? befuddlement

Yes. Slimness is actually an awful excuse to begin with, I don't think iPhone 7, Essential, or even Moto Z are actually too slim to fit a headphone jack.

The internal size is pretty significant. The 3.5mm headphone jacks are long, which takes away from how long the battery can be unless they use a weird non-rectangular battery.

For Apple at least, a bigger reason than either of those is driving the sale of Bluetooth accessories which have bigger profit margins and are better at making Apple devices seem cool and high-tech to bystanders than a cable.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 05, 2017, 05:10:14 PM
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
What's so terrible about flagship Android devices in your opinion, compared to iPhone? Is it just the Qualcomm vs Apple SoC and nothing else?


well, that's part of it, but

Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
Well, at least on the software UX side of things, I guess I'll agree with you that Apple actually kinda knows what they're doing (though they make mistakes like the entire emoji set and skeumorphism).

Google seems to actually put some thought into UX even if they make a lot of baffling decisions about stuff like consistency or ditching services they don't like or releasing new services that compete with themselves or totally forgetting about tablets existing every time they redesign anything. Samsung and other Android OEMs seem to just slap features and content in without really acknowledging the whole at all in terms of UX, and they often bundled other disjoint products due to partnerships and junk.


yeah you pretty much covered everything lol

it's the combination of consistently disappointing hardware, excluding a tiny handful of flagsghips that are iphone-priced and beyond (and yet still have inferior cpus/performance to the iphone), and completely inconsistent software that requires you to spend days relearning android every time you get a new phone, still lacks basic features like a universal backup ability, the fact that you might only get one upgrade per device max if you're extremely lucky, the fact that basic issues like these

Quote from: Khadafi on June 16, 2017, 10:38:16 AM
like i have a 64 gig SD card + 16gb internal storage (cuz i figured the SD card obviated the need for large internal storage).

6.39GB of internal is used by OS. that's normal ok
9.03/9.61 GB is used in internal

try to view what is uing it and it takes 300000000 hours to actually calculate that

when it does

5.56GB in Apps 1.96GB in Cached data

That's 7.52GB. WHERES THE OTHER FUCKING 1.51GB. it gets annoying cuz everything defaults to internal storage and then i cant install apps lmao

i move some stuff to SD but it doesnt seem to be enough


Quote from: Khadafi on June 16, 2017, 10:40:51 AM
https://forums.androidcentral.com/moto-x-pure-edition/659238-storage-doesnt-add-up.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/496sn3/lets_clear_up_the_confusion_regarding_storage_in/
https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX/comments/4bnmos/general_storage_question/

gj shitdroid

i guess i'll update the phone

oh i can't lol


remain inescapable problems after almost ten years, etc. etc.

And yet,

Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
I still think it's worth it compared to what iOS offers.


Somehow, so do I. SocksDood;
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 05, 2017, 05:21:55 PM
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 06:32:07 PM
The internal size is pretty significant. The 3.5mm headphone jacks are long, which takes away from how long the battery can be unless they use a weird non-rectangular battery.

For Apple at least, a bigger reason than either of those is driving the sale of Bluetooth accessories which have bigger profit margins and are better at making Apple devices seem cool and high-tech to bystanders than a cable.


i suppose that makes sense, at least the space is arguably being used productively

still, it'll be a very long time before i settle on a phone without a headphone jack

and yes, apple does have the advantage of being able to sell literally anything to its own class of absolute suckers

Anyway, I've had the S8+ for a few days now and I don't hate it. But there are a few minor annoyances like the awful placement of the fingerprint sensor, the equally awful placement of the volume buttons, the fuck;ing Bixby button that nobody asked or cared for, and a moderately-sized list of irritating software nitpicks that I'll hopefully just get used to or learn to work around in time. myface;

i've been following the oneplus 5 closely since getting the s8+, and oh my goodness am i glad i made the choice i did sillydood;

how could oneplus possibly be so disaster-prone lol
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on July 06, 2017, 01:08:45 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 05, 2017, 05:21:55 PM
Anyway, I've had the S8+ for a few days now and I don't hate it. But there are a few minor annoyances like the awful placement of the fingerprint sensor, the equally awful placement of the volume buttons, the fuck;ing Bixby button that nobody asked or cared for, and a moderately-sized list of irritating software nitpicks that I'll hopefully just get used to or learn to work around in time. myface;

That fingerprint sensor is definitely the most baffling design decision. As soon as the phone was revealed, basically everybody who watched was asking "WHY?"

What's wrong with the volume placement? It feels fine to me.

Yeah, basically everybody hates the Bixby button too. iirc it used to be possible to remap it to less useless things without root but Samsung patched that out in an update

You can't avoid Samsung's lock screen, notifications, recents, or settings menu, but you can at least install a third-party home screen and I think you can disable all the bad preloaded apps. Replacing the home screen really makes every Samsung phone feel a lot better imo.

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 05, 2017, 05:21:55 PM
i've been following the oneplus 5 closely since getting the s8+, and oh my goodness am i glad i made the choice i did sillydood;

how could oneplus possibly be so disaster-prone lol
I'm guessing you heard about the upside-down screen and stereo speakers issues? sillydood;

also, I forgot about this earlier, there was another SD835 device that's been announced for a while: the Essential phone. That screen cut-out is the worst phone design decision I've seen in years, which is quite a feat. It's especially baffling to me that the co-founder of Android would make this choice: they excuse it by saying they made the status bar avoid putting stuff there, but it's almost like they didn't even know about a lot of core Android features like Immersive Mode (which hides the status bar and ruins a lot of games on this phone) and Heads-up Notifications (the popups that cover the status bar when unlocked like when you get a phone call).
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2017, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: bluaki on July 06, 2017, 01:08:45 AM
That fingerprint sensor is definitely the most baffling design decision. As soon as the phone was revealed, basically everybody who watched was asking "WHY?"


because apparently it wasn't actually meant to be there

it's alleged that samsung wanted to be the first to have a the sensor underneath the display itself, but they couldn't pull it off in time

so plan b was to just stick it on the back

but since they had already designed the board such that there was absolutely no space for anything but the battery beneath the camera, the only remaining option was to stick the fingerprint sensor to the side

https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/1/15147998/samsung-galaxy-s8-fingerprint-reader-location

but regardless of the justification it's still a terribly inconvenient location

Quote from: bluaki on July 06, 2017, 01:08:45 AM
What's wrong with the volume placement? It feels fine to me.


2close2bixby so i keep accidentally launching it smithicide;

and i much prefer for volume to be placed on the right of the device so i can just use my thumb to adjust it

as it's on the left, i have to slightly readjust the position of the phone itself, or use my left hand myface;

great for lefties though i guess

Quote from: bluaki on July 06, 2017, 01:08:45 AM
Yeah, basically everybody hates the Bixby button too. iirc it used to be possible to remap it to less useless things without root but Samsung patched that out in an update

You can't avoid Samsung's lock screen, notifications, recents, or settings menu, but you can at least install a third-party home screen and I think you can disable all the bad preloaded apps. Replacing the home screen really makes every Samsung phone feel a lot better imo.


jesus samsung smithicide;

touchwizz has only been mildly annoying so far, but i feel like it's not quite so bad as to warrant a third-party launcher

i've always seen non-stock launchers as excess cosmetic bloat, unless absolutely necessary because the stock is just that terrible

android is bloated enough :'(

Quote from: bluaki on July 06, 2017, 01:08:45 AM
I'm guessing you heard about the upside-down screen and stereo speakers issues? sillydood;


rofl yes

what's funny is that the oneplus 5 is measurably faster than the s8 despite using the same 835 (jesus christ samsung), but absolutely everything else about the oneplus 5 is massively compromised

considering i actually paid less for the s8+ than i would have for the oneplus 5, i'm feeling pretty good about my decision girl;

Quote from: bluaki on July 06, 2017, 01:08:45 AM
also, I forgot about this earlier, there was another SD835 device that's been announced for a while: the Essential phone.


or, as those in the know have taken to calling it, the unEssential phone

i try to forget about it too, as its display and many of its other characteristics truly are disgusting

it's as unsurprising as it is absolutely pitiful that the literal co-founder of android would be so unfamiliar with the platform he himself claims to have '''developed'''

[spoiler]

i bet he uses an iphone[/spoiler]
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Snowy on July 08, 2017, 08:44:46 AM
Honestly, if for some reason I couldn't get another iphone or I was forced to get an android I would have gone with the S8+ as well. I used to love my HTC but all the new ones are awful lol. The One+5 looks really cool and I love that it has a minimally invasive UI/OS but man does it have some hardware problems lol.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2017, 05:37:48 PM
Never Settle,,
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on July 10, 2017, 06:07:22 PM
So I compared my current phone to a GS8, and it's only barely taller, and much less wide, so if I can afford a phone in the near future or if the pixel 2 comes out and is a similar size or smaller, then I'll probably get one of those
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 10, 2017, 07:15:20 PM
Quote from: ƕɾο on July 10, 2017, 06:07:22 PM
So I compared my current phone to a GS8, and it's only barely taller, and much less wide, so if I can afford a phone in the near future or if the pixel 2 comes out and is a similar size or smaller, then I'll probably get one of those


what do you use currently lol

i endorse the gs8 choice girl;

especially knowing that the pixxl will be prove to be yet another absolute scam
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on July 11, 2017, 09:33:10 PM
alright so i am using a horrible iphone 4s. i had dropped my moto g5 plus in the water and am learning that nowhere in seattle can repair the touch screen that doesn't work.

I think that the logical conclusion is to just buy a new phone and avoid any more headache. what is the best value under $300? i don't have any crazy needs but i also want something that will be responsive with basic shit for a year or two
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 11, 2017, 09:41:08 PM
what are your display size restraints
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: sc2020 on July 11, 2017, 10:10:00 PM
just bought a huawei lol
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Thyme on July 11, 2017, 10:10:29 PM
huawhy
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 11, 2017, 10:16:17 PM
Quote from: SVT on July 11, 2017, 10:10:00 PM
just bought a huawei lol


which one lol

Quote from: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on July 11, 2017, 10:10:29 PM
huawhy


They tend to be pretty good. srsly
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on July 12, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
Quote from: SVT on July 11, 2017, 10:10:00 PM
just bought a huawei lol

the 6x? i was eyeing that one

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 11, 2017, 09:41:08 PM
what are your display size restraints

as long as the screen is 1080p and less than 5.5"
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 12, 2017, 05:14:26 PM
Quote from: antmaster5000 on July 12, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
Quote from: SVT on July 11, 2017, 10:10:00 PM
just bought a huawei lol

the 6x? i was eyeing that one

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 11, 2017, 09:41:08 PM
what are your display size restraints

as long as the screen is 1080p and less than 5.5"


https://www.amazon.com/ZTE-Blade-Factory-Unlocked-Phone/dp/B01N7IW7JX

or

https://www.amazon.com/Moto-Plus-5th-Generation-Lockscreen/dp/B01MR2ZFBI

and honestly i think you'd prefer the g5 lol
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: sc2020 on July 12, 2017, 06:53:04 PM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O8YX1K/ref=psdc_2407749011_t1_B00W1KSGFI i got this one. it's a little expensive .
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 12, 2017, 06:55:49 PM
certainly not a bad choice within its price range, though
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on July 12, 2017, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 10, 2017, 07:15:20 PM
what do you use currently lol
moto x 2014 with a big clunky case on it

also forget the gs8, i found my next phone https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/7/12/15958242/huawei-kfc-special-edition-smartphone-colonel-sanders
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on July 12, 2017, 08:27:42 PM
my sister got the moto g5 recently and aside from the camera it seems fine, but she hates it (her last phone was the moto x 2014 as well)
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 12, 2017, 08:38:45 PM
i wonder why lol befuddlement

i mean for the price it seems fine to me too
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on July 13, 2017, 02:07:04 AM
i think she just wants a flagship phone and not a budget phone, she got the version with amazon ads but claims that's not the issue
she said the screen is terrible and some other stuff i forgot
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 13, 2017, 10:34:41 PM
many of the g5 reviews i've skimmed seem to praise its display lol

at least, compared to other devices in its price range

of course, if you're looking for a flagship and end up with a g5 (esp. one with ads), then yeah, naturally you're going to be disappointed

but for at $250 for the 64gb/4gb model i can't really see any better options, and i'm generally pretty hard on the moto g brand

Quote from: ƕɾο on July 12, 2017, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 10, 2017, 07:15:20 PM
what do you use currently lol
moto x 2014 with a big clunky case on it

also forget the gs8, i found my next phone https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/7/12/15958242/huawei-kfc-special-edition-smartphone-colonel-sanders


lol befuddlement
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on July 13, 2017, 10:37:41 PM
ordered a Huawei Honor 6X

will post impressions after a week or so of use
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 13, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
out of curiosity, what made you settle on that option over the others lol
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on July 13, 2017, 11:05:06 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
out of curiosity, what made you settle on that option over the others lol

honestly just wanted to try something new. it seems pretty comparable to the g5 in terms of specs and it is well reviewed. i've gone through 3 generations of the moto g (2, 4 and 5) and the 5 was probably the one that clicked with me the least. maybe i just never got used to it (i only had it for about a week and a half before it broke)
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 13, 2017, 11:17:10 PM
Oh, somehow I didn't realize that the very phone you broke was itself a G5. lol goowan

the g5 plus, however, is a much better device than the g5 is
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on July 13, 2017, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 11:17:10 PM
Oh, somehow I didn't realize that the very phone you broke was itself a G5. lol goowan

the g5 plus, however, is a much better device than the g5 is

o it was a g5 plus that i broke too lol
yeah idk i just wasnt super into it. liked my g4 better
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on July 14, 2017, 01:09:20 PM
tfw when you order a honor 6x and then watch this video after
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXhw0hLmqG0[/youtube]
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 14, 2017, 10:56:57 PM
lol

if durability is your concern, the zte blade v8 pro >>> the 6x

it's equal if not marginally better than the 6x is most other measures, too, notable exception being camera quality
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on July 16, 2017, 09:40:15 PM
Yeah I'm running a tempered glass screen protector and have a case coming so hopefully it'll be safe even though this thing will be fucking massive with all the crap on it lol

Speaking of which I don't think I've ever successfully out on a screen protector in my life
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 16, 2017, 09:44:30 PM
i failed at screen protector application for the first time today myself

but that's because the s8 has a curved screen and the case i have on it causes the rigid protector to pop right off after a minute or so myface;

what a waste of $5

however, i've applied glass screen protectors to many phones with flat displays before, and that isn't too hard imo
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Lifetrends on July 17, 2017, 05:16:24 PM
i switched from Xperia to iPhone (6s)

It's nice, probably nicest feeling phone i've had in my hand. Multitasking is actually better than Android. phone stays more responsive regardless of what you're doing. seems like a more stable OS.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 17, 2017, 06:40:13 PM
Quote from: Lifetrends on July 17, 2017, 05:16:24 PM
i switched from Xperia to iPhone (6s)

It's nice, probably nicest feeling phone i've had in my hand. Multitasking is actually better than Android. phone stays more responsive regardless of what you're doing. seems like a more stable OS.


isn't it great

all android users secretly envy the smoothness and sheer efficiency of ios and the iphone

it enrages them to know that android can't even compete
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: sc2020 on July 17, 2017, 07:40:01 PM
whats the difference between an iphone and an driod.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 17, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/android-is-for-poor-people-maps-2014-4

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/22/technology/mobile/iphone-smart-study/index.html

https://www.wired.com/2010/08/gadget-sex/

http://www.investors.com/news/technology/click/men-like-apple-watch-women-like-fitbit/
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: sc2020 on July 17, 2017, 08:45:44 PM
huh wow
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on July 17, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 17, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/android-is-for-poor-people-maps-2014-4

only the rich can afford a really overpriced phone. who woulda known
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on July 18, 2017, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 16, 2017, 09:44:30 PM
i failed at screen protector application for the first time today myself

but that's because the s8 has a curved screen and the case i have on it causes the rigid protector to pop right off after a minute or so myface;

what a waste of $5

however, i've applied glass screen protectors to many phones with flat displays before, and that isn't too hard imo
oh i didn't know you got the s8
I forgot that screen protector's don't work on curved glass though, shit
might need to rethink if the s8 should be my next phone
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on July 18, 2017, 01:29:59 AM
Quote from: ƕɾο on July 18, 2017, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 16, 2017, 09:44:30 PM
i failed at screen protector application for the first time today myself

but that's because the s8 has a curved screen and the case i have on it causes the rigid protector to pop right off after a minute or so myface;

what a waste of $5

however, i've applied glass screen protectors to many phones with flat displays before, and that isn't too hard imo
oh i didn't know you got the s8
I forgot that screen protector's don't work on curved glass though, shit
might need to rethink if the s8 should be my next phone


well the reason i ultimately couldn't apply the protector is because the case i use has a slight rim that keeps the display from ever directly touching any flat surface anyway

so there's already a bit of screen protection built in, and now the only concern is if a speck of sand or smth gets dragged across it

a cheap flexible plastic protector would be enough to prevent that from happening, if you're truly worried (although of course those aren't as premium-feeling as the glass ones)

but basically i think with the right case and maybe a flexible protector, you can mitigate display damage concerns well enough

and if you don't use any case at all (or maybe use one that isn't rimmed around the display), then a tempered glass protector would still work

Quote from: antmaster5000 on July 17, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 17, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/android-is-for-poor-people-maps-2014-4

only the rich can afford a really overpriced phone. who woulda known


those are nonsense articles lol

of course iphone ownership would correlate with wealth since the iphone is sold in a handful of high-priced configurations, while android covers the entire spectrum of prices from $10 to $1000

every other stat that follows is a consequence of that
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on July 29, 2017, 12:54:33 AM
I decided to go ahead and buy a pixel phone lol

I really can't wait another at least 3-4 months for the pixel 2 to even release, and especially not even longer for the ability to actually buy it since I'll probably miss the preorders thanks to working in a place without any internet access every day and google always being awful at supply

and I can further justify not waiting with the fact that pixel 2 is basically confirmed to lose the headphone jack and be a bit bigger (for the same screen size) and even more overpriced, though tbh I'd probably like the front-facing speakers and waterproofing enough to justify those tradeoffs if I didn't have to wait

whether I want it or not, it seems I'm getting a Google Home, since there's a current promotion that gives me a free one when I order a Pixel phone

anyway, my Nexus 5X has taken a beating, the last straw that prompted me to do this is that I noticed a couple days ago that the camera glass is flaking off, and having to uninstall a few apps every time I want to download something (like most recently the new Layton game). I've never dropped my other phones that I had before this, but this one keeps falling out of my pockets (and always onto the road in a parking lot) since I wear girl clothes now and pockets suck and this thing is too big. The screen's glass has multiple cracks (though the LCD is fine) and the camera's not just cracked but also chipped (but the pictures look fine). I started carrying a bag with me all the time so this won't happen anymore.

[spoiler]I hope my hand doesn't cover the speakers on the bottom of this phone when I play love live without headphones myface;[/spoiler]
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on August 03, 2017, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: bluaki on July 29, 2017, 12:54:33 AM
I decided to go ahead and buy a pixel phone lol


what did you pay for it

have you liked it so far y/n

Quote from: bluaki on July 29, 2017, 12:54:33 AM
and I can further justify not waiting with the fact that pixel 2 is basically confirmed to lose the headphone jack


absolute lel

google is so pathetic

the original pixel's entire ad campaign was centered around the fact that it had a headphone jack with jabs at the iphone for abandoning it, and now look at what we have here

I'm glad to see you've freed yourself of the 5X's oppressively bad hardware design and specs. girl;
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on August 08, 2017, 01:24:12 PM
Quote from: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11540/samsung-galaxy-s8-exynos-versus-snapdragonBetween these two, however, across all of the tests I've run, the S835 model is certainly the better of the two in terms of those metrics.


...Huh. befuddlement

that's quite a surprise
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on August 11, 2017, 01:07:47 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on August 03, 2017, 08:20:36 PM
what did you pay for it

have you liked it so far y/n
as of the time I ordered it, the phone hasn't had a single price drop since it launched iirc

I paid $750+tax for the small 128GB model, but at least there was a promotion that gave me a Google Home ($130 MSRP) for free with it. I definitely wouldn't buy a Google Home if it wasn't free so the added value is pretty small to me.

If I waited two weeks I would've gotten it for $625. Oh well. That would basically mean subtracting the price of Google Home instead of getting a free one.

I like it so far. It performs well and has plenty of space. The screen looks nice. The circle icons bug me; you can't even change it to normal icons with a third party launcher. It sadly doesn't feel any smaller than my 5X.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on August 11, 2017, 07:17:32 PM
have you found any practical uses for google home at all lol befuddlement
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: bluaki on August 12, 2017, 12:04:03 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on August 11, 2017, 07:17:32 PM
have you found any practical uses for google home at all lol befuddlement
mine hasn't gotten the update for this feature yet, but apparently it'll soon be able to function as a fairly nice bluetooth speaker I guess. It's a Cast speaker too but the latency on that is awful for local audio sources. Another useful feature coming soon is using it for phone calls as a pretty nice speakerphone.

idk I guess being able to do unit conversions (because customary units suck) and set timers without my hands could have a tiny bit of use in cooking

otherwise no, not really. 100% of the use it's gotten so far is just me trying to mess around to see what it can do.

as nifty as something like "play <video name> from YouTube on my Chromecast" may seem, it's kinda useless if you aren't Feeling Lucky. I don't have any IoT devices so it's not like I'll use it to control any of those. I don't listen to real music (as in anything Google Play Music actually has) so none of the music features really make sense for me either.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Snowy on September 23, 2017, 03:07:35 PM
I recently switched to Verizon and was offered a promo on my trade in of my AT&T phone if I put t towards a Galaxy S8... and I honestly couldn’t stand it. OS felt very cheap. Hardware was great, absolutely beautiful screen.

I was able to swap it out for another iPhone so I got one of the Product Red ones but man, I really wished I liked the S8 more, I was super excited about it.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on October 06, 2017, 04:58:25 AM
what exactly felt cheap about the os???
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Snowy on October 12, 2017, 06:42:39 AM
Quote from: ƕɾο on October 06, 2017, 04:58:25 AM
what exactly felt cheap about the os???
the entire thing?
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on December 07, 2017, 11:55:13 PM
personally, i don't mind the s8's skin at all (at least not enough to spend hundreds more on an iphone or pixxxel), and you always have the option to use an alternative launcher or replace samsung's apps with google's
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Snowy on December 20, 2017, 07:47:15 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on December 07, 2017, 11:55:13 PM
personally, i don't mind the s8's skin at all (at least not enough to spend hundreds more on an iphone or pixxxel), and you always have the option to use an alternative launcher or replace samsung's apps with google's
[spoiler]i actually saved money by going back to an iphone[/spoiler]
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Samus Aran on December 21, 2017, 01:26:58 AM
im thinking about getting a Pixel through Google and using their Project Fi. the actual phone plan will save me a lot of money tbh and Pixels seem pretty nice i think. but im not sure if i would get a Pixel 2 yet, ive heard they're having some post-launch issues rn
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Hiro on December 21, 2017, 01:07:49 PM
yeah don't get a pixel 2
the Essential phone is pretty cheap nowadays if i recall correctly
also just found out about Mint SIM which is super cheap and has a holiday deal if you want cheap phone service.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Snowy on December 24, 2017, 10:08:31 AM
I heard the standard sized Pixel 2 isn't that bad. The XL is the one have all of those problems if I heard correctly.
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on May 30, 2018, 08:58:27 AM
Quote from: Rin Hoshizora on December 21, 2017, 01:26:58 AM
im thinking about getting a Pixel through Google and using their Project Fi. the actual phone plan will save me a lot of money tbh and Pixels seem pretty nice i think. but im not sure if i would get a Pixel 2 yet, ive heard they're having some post-launch issues rn


what did you end up getting y/n

Quote from: ƕɾο on December 21, 2017, 01:07:49 PM
the Essential phone is pretty cheap nowadays if i recall correctly


RIP
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on May 30, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
also i only just finished transferring all my data from my old phone onto my current one yesterday lol

god damn android for still not having a proper, complete backup solution in the year of our lord 201X
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Samus Aran on May 31, 2018, 03:14:35 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 30, 2018, 08:58:27 AM
Quote from: Rin Hoshizora on December 21, 2017, 01:26:58 AM
im thinking about getting a Pixel through Google and using their Project Fi. the actual phone plan will save me a lot of money tbh and Pixels seem pretty nice i think. but im not sure if i would get a Pixel 2 yet, ive heard they're having some post-launch issues rn


what did you end up getting y/n



pixel 2

its pretty neat
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: antmaster5000 on May 31, 2018, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 30, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
also i only just finished transferring all my data from my old phone onto my current one yesterday lol

god damn android for still not having a proper, complete backup solution in the year of our lord 201X

it's called u store everything in the cloud already
Title: Re: new s*itphone needed
Post by: Magyarorszag on June 01, 2018, 12:44:25 AM
Quote from: antmaster5000 on May 31, 2018, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 30, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
also i only just finished transferring all my data from my old phone onto my current one yesterday lol

god damn android for still not having a proper, complete backup solution in the year of our lord 201X

it's called u store everything in the cloud already


i go out of my way to use the cloud as little as is necessary lol

i don't mind using it for backing up communications data like texts and contacts, but i don't like the idea of photos and other data that isn't inherently network-dependent being automatically mirrored to a cloud drive

in any case, even if i did fully embrace the cloud, the process of transferring data from one android device to another isn't nearly automatic, there's still a good deal of manual backing up and transferring of files necessary

very much unlike the near seamless process of upgrading on ios :'(