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Title: Bitrate
Post by: Boogus Epirus Aurelius on February 07, 2013, 09:22:55 AM
Is it really that advantageous to keep up a 320kbps library?
Most times when people talk about obsessing over lossless formats and how good their experience is, I just kind of roll my eyes and shrug it off.

Space is starting to become an issue, so I was thinking of just converting everything down to 128kbps anyway.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: ME## on February 07, 2013, 10:28:11 AM
if lowering the bitrate doesn't harm your enjoyment of your music, go for it.  i'm sure some here will disagree, but that's just them.  goodjob;





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Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on February 07, 2013, 11:32:05 AM
i don't see why not if you personally can't hear the difference (and most can't), it's not for anyone's enjoyment but your own

don't let the elitists shame you into thinking you're having a worse experience wry
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: famy on February 07, 2013, 11:44:50 AM
don't listen to those fags 128 is definitely noticeably different from 320 :|

i've had some good speakers that have been able to help low bitrate sound better but if you're using an ipod with regular headphones/earbuds which i do and i think you are then you will hear the difference

256 is okay though
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Samus Aran on February 07, 2013, 12:29:16 PM
128 is a noticeable step down from 320 for sure, although it's easier to notice with some types of music than with others of course. i listen to a lot of noisy layered stuff so lowering that to 128 would be a crime for me personally

personally, to save a small amount of space, i generally opt for v0 (variable bitrate) instead of 320 for some albums. it's effectively taking a 320kbps rip and putting saran wrap on it to get rid of the blank spots where it doesn't actually peak at 320. it saves as much as 20mb an album sometimes.

however, even with all that going on, i still am pressed for space so i'm in the middle of just moving everything over to an external drive anyway
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Boogus Epirus Aurelius on February 07, 2013, 12:41:34 PM
Quote from: May on February 07, 2013, 12:29:16 PM
128 is a noticeable step down from 320 for sure, although it's easier to notice with some types of music than with others of course. i listen to a lot of noisy layered stuff so lowering that to 128 would be a crime for me personally

personally, to save a small amount of space, i generally opt for v0 (variable bitrate) instead of 320 for some albums. it's effectively taking a 320kbps rip and putting saran wrap on it to get rid of the blank spots where it doesn't actually peak at 320. it saves as much as 20mb an album sometimes.

however, even with all that going on, i still am pressed for space so i'm in the middle of just moving everything over to an external drive anyway


Yeah, I'm going to need to pick up an external hd one of these days. Real soon. Probably today.
How does that work, exactly, with syncing to itunes then?
So, I pump everything onto the external drive and itunes is able to detect everything when it's plugged in?
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Samus Aran on February 07, 2013, 01:36:33 PM
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on February 07, 2013, 12:41:34 PM
Yeah, I'm going to need to pick up an external hd one of these days. Real soon. Probably today.
How does that work, exactly, with syncing to itunes then?
So, I pump everything onto the external drive and itunes is able to detect everything when it's plugged in?


yeah. by default (at least on os x), itunes makes its own copies of files and keeps them in the default os x "music" folder, but you can change that so that it simply reads from where ever you want it to
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: strongbad on February 07, 2013, 02:31:02 PM
i second v0.
if i'm in my car or using earbuds, i can't tell the difference, but with my headphones it's pretty noticable. i figure that it's good to have a higher bitrate for if/when i get nicer speakers and stuff too.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: ?????? on February 07, 2013, 03:02:08 PM
only if you have an absurdly priced listening device
i use v0 and can't tell the difference from .flac or 320kpbs
i can if i use my friend's headphones though
but with flac

Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: strongbad on February 07, 2013, 03:11:28 PM
only if you have an absurdly priced listening device
i use v0 and can't tell the difference from .flac or 320kpbs
i can if i use my friend's headphones though
but with flac


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i wouldnt say absurdly priced
my sennheisers were around $150 and i can definitely notice a difference
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: silvertone on February 07, 2013, 04:13:58 PM
get a portable hard drive and use it for musik only
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Boogus Epirus Aurelius on February 07, 2013, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: ilovesloths on February 07, 2013, 03:11:28 PM
only if you have an absurdly priced listening device
i use v0 and can't tell the difference from .flac or 320kpbs
i can if i use my friend's headphones though
but with flac



i wouldnt say absurdly priced
my sennheisers were around $150 and i can definitely notice a difference


You using the hd555's?

Quote from: [23]crossdressers on February 07, 2013, 04:13:58 PM
get a portable hard drive and use it for musik only


Yeah, I'm going to pick one up tomorrow I reckon.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on February 07, 2013, 04:56:16 PM
150 bucks for headphones is kind of absurd. I mean yeah, if you're into that then you'd get some expensive headphones like that, but still...
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: silvertone on February 07, 2013, 05:25:39 PM
i got 60 dollar sony headp hones that i use for recording and they are really good for listening 2.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Boogus Epirus Aurelius on February 07, 2013, 06:06:20 PM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 07, 2013, 04:56:16 PM
150 bucks for headphones is kind of absurd. I mean yeah, if you're into that then you'd get some expensive headphones like that, but still...


You'd be surprised how much different listening can be through some quality cans.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: [hedy]Zidone on February 07, 2013, 06:31:02 PM
V0 is pretty good. Also, Hydrogenaudio (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LAME#Maximum_quality_and_archiving) says that 320 and V0 are practically identical.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Samus Aran on February 07, 2013, 08:39:27 PM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 07, 2013, 04:56:16 PM
150 bucks for headphones is kind of absurd. I mean yeah, if you're into that then you'd get some expensive headphones like that, but still...


it's actually a pretty standard price for high-quality headphones
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on February 07, 2013, 08:59:48 PM
But it's still an absurd price to pay for headphones. Unless you have a job that requires it, then yeah.

There's not really anything wrong with buying them and a lot of them probably do sound better, but still...
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Samus Aran on February 07, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
not really lol

expensive yes, absurd no
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on February 07, 2013, 09:09:33 PM
For a pair of headphones, yes, absurd
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: strongbad on February 07, 2013, 09:27:51 PM
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on February 07, 2013, 04:18:08 PM
You using the hd555's?

hd595
really should have gotten the 555's though, since you can do that mod to make them just like the 595s
oh well
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Boogus Epirus Aurelius on February 08, 2013, 09:41:17 AM
Quote from: ilovesloths on February 07, 2013, 09:27:51 PM
hd595
really should have gotten the 555's though, since you can do that mod to make them just like the 595s
oh well


Yeah, I haven't tried doing that mod at all. Isn't it just pulling a piece of material off the inside or something?

Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 07, 2013, 09:09:33 PM
For a pair of headphones, yes, absurd

Putting down $200 for beats or something is absurd; paying for a label.

You can get a good pair of grados for around $60 online. $100-$150 will get you a fantastic experience. It's like hearing things again for the first time.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: strongbad on February 08, 2013, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on February 08, 2013, 09:41:17 AM
Yeah, I haven't tried doing that mod at all. Isn't it just pulling a piece of material off the inside or something?

do you have the 555s? but yeah something like that. i hear it isn't too complicated
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: silvertone on February 08, 2013, 03:50:04 PM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 07, 2013, 09:09:33 PM
For a pair of headphones, yes, absurd
it isn't that absurd when you consider how much use that you get out of it. you literally get years of work out of 60-150 dollars. that is better than Most THings ten times that price!!!!!!!!!!! also we arent talking about earbuds i hope U know.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Boogus Epirus Aurelius on February 08, 2013, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: ilovesloths on February 08, 2013, 02:53:25 PM
do you have the 555s? but yeah something like that. i hear it isn't too complicated


Yeah, I have a pair. They're really comfortable.
Kind of nervous about opening them up though.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: strongbad on February 08, 2013, 08:52:38 PM
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on February 08, 2013, 04:05:23 PM
Yeah, I have a pair. They're really comfortable.
Kind of nervous about opening them up though.

yeah my 595s are pretty comfy too. i'd only really used earbuds prior to them though
i don't blame you but i say go for it. i hear that the difference is pretty considerable
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on February 08, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: [23]crossdressers on February 08, 2013, 03:50:04 PM
it isn't that absurd when you consider how much use that you get out of it. you literally get years of work out of 60-150 dollars. that is better than Most THings ten times that price!!!!!!!!!!! also we arent talking about earbuds i hope U know.
It's still absurd. Yes, you pay more for higher quality and better sounding stuff, but they're still just headphones. That you're paying $150 for.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: silvertone on February 08, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 08, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
It's still absurd. Yes, you pay more for higher quality and better sounding stuff, but they're still just headphones. That you're paying $150 for.


that is like say ing it is ridiculous to spend another 1000 on a car that actually functions ???????   ???? ??????  it is not absurd at all to want to really hear the music you're Listening to ???? ????? ?????? ????
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on February 08, 2013, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: [23]crossdressers on February 08, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
that is like say ing it is ridiculous to spend another 1000 on a car that actually functions ???????   ???? ??????  it is not absurd at all to want to really hear the music you're Listening to ???? ????? ?????? ????
If you're paying a lot of money just for a pair of headphones, then yeah, it is absurd.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: silvertone on February 08, 2013, 10:02:32 PM
150 dollars isnt a lot of money Poor Man
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on February 08, 2013, 10:18:02 PM
Quote from: [23]crossdressers on February 08, 2013, 10:02:32 PM
150 dollars isnt a lot of money Poor Man
For a pair of headphones, as I've said many times before, it is.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: silvertone on February 08, 2013, 10:20:52 PM
i have said maney times before that it isnt owned?? epic ftw . . .rt to all my bithces
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Boogus Epirus Aurelius on February 08, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 08, 2013, 10:18:02 PM
For a pair of headphones, as I've said many times before, it is.


Paying extra money for higher quality for anything is absurd, duh. y/n
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on February 08, 2013, 10:23:29 PM
Quote from: [23]crossdressers on February 08, 2013, 10:20:52 PM
i have said maney times before that it isnt owned?? epic ftw . . .rt to all my bithces
Absurdities 
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on February 08, 2013, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on February 08, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
Paying extra money for higher quality for anything is absurd, duh. y/n
Well actually you could say that too. But it'd probably be more prudent to take things on a case by case basis.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: silvertone on February 08, 2013, 10:25:54 PM
Jean, grab me my headphones.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Boogus Epirus Aurelius on February 08, 2013, 10:26:41 PM
Billy, pop those earbuds in quick-like, ya hear now?
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: PLEASEHELP1991 on February 08, 2013, 11:19:51 PM
why doesn't anyone use aac, the superior lossy codec
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: strongbad on February 09, 2013, 10:35:23 AM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 08, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
It's still absurd. Yes, you pay more for higher quality and better sounding stuff, but they're still just headphones. That you're paying $150 for.

i don't think so. it depends on what you want to get out of your music. if you enjoy hearing everything that your music has to offer, then it is reasonable.
just like a cyclist who spends a lot on a nice bike because they like bikes a lot
shit's relative
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on February 09, 2013, 10:38:51 AM
Quote from: ilovesloths on February 09, 2013, 10:35:23 AM
i don't think so. it depends on what you want to get out of your music. if you enjoy hearing everything that your music has to offer, then it is reasonable.
just like a cyclist who spends a lot on a nice bike because they like bikes a lot
shit's relative
Well of course. Different people value different things differently.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: bluaki on February 09, 2013, 01:10:58 PM
Doesn't there also exist variable bitrate that has higher quality in parts where it matters most? I don't normally pay much attention to audiophile stuff, but I've at least seen that praised as better than 320kbps by some people (including probably silverhawk)

I'm so much of a non-audiophile that I use $15 headphones sillydood;
and prefer to use speakers instead when I don't have to worry about disturbing other people

Quote from: Rain Man on February 08, 2013, 11:19:51 PM
why doesn't anyone use aac, the superior lossy codec
because most people who care enough to change the format that everybody uses are apparently either:
audiophiles who probably prefer lossless FLAC to either
Apple, whose influence is almost purposefully limited to iTunes and iDevices
People in charge of non-music products like Blu-Ray video
Free Software lovers, who prefer OGG Vorbis instead (I have no idea how it compares in quality/compression to MP3/AAC) and aren't generally taken seriously by anybody who primarily uses technology for media consumption
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: ?????? on February 09, 2013, 01:38:05 PM
oWn'd
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: PLEASEHELP1991 on February 09, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: Clucky on February 09, 2013, 01:38:05 PM
oWn'd
okay
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Daddy on February 10, 2013, 02:16:42 PM
I go with V0 as well.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: snoorkel on February 15, 2013, 05:52:36 PM
V0/variable - everything new
lossless - things i replay or like a lot

can't beat that system
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: C.Mongler on May 01, 2013, 07:24:55 PM
320 or die



or flac
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: snoorkel on May 02, 2013, 01:33:54 PM
iodownl;oad mp3s
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: silvertone on May 02, 2013, 01:49:29 PM
i too am a mp3 downloader
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Samus Aran on May 02, 2013, 03:46:59 PM
how to download mp3s: cut out the middle man and turn yourself in
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Boogus Epirus Aurelius on May 02, 2013, 04:19:24 PM
Music is Sin.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Nyerp on May 02, 2013, 04:32:23 PM
Music is Sin
Sin is Jecht
Music is Jecht???????????
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Thyme on May 02, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
lol this thread

192 is my usual sweet spot
and i have a pair of $20 sony earbuds

when i'm at home i just use my computer speakers (with subwoofer)
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Snowy on May 02, 2013, 07:33:57 PM
256-320 is what I aim for.
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on May 02, 2013, 08:04:32 PM
Ew, digital "music"
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Samus Aran on May 06, 2013, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on May 02, 2013, 08:04:32 PM
Ew, digital "music"


hey man you can't scrobble from a stereo
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: silvertone on May 06, 2013, 04:42:03 PM
cant piss in the shower either but u dont see me complaining
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: Samus Aran on May 06, 2013, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: silvertone on May 06, 2013, 04:42:03 PM
cant piss in the shower either but u dont see me complaining


you....can'/t??
Title: Re: Bitrate
Post by: don't let's on May 06, 2013, 04:46:25 PM
Life is just one big scrobble