One question.
QuoteThey follow the same religion, albeit under a different interpretation. Their actions are all provided with a basis in the book. The same book that preaches "love thy neighbor" etc, teaches to kill and slaughter those who don't submit to God.
What? I've never seen anywhere in the Bible that says "KILL THE NON-BELIEVERS!!!". Maybe some people need to read the religious books a little better before they slam every single religion in the same pile.
you best be joking
The violence they're noting is nonextant...but the bible is a pretty goddamn violent read, and a good deal of the violence doesn't make sense by modern typical morality. My favorite passage, 2 Kings 2, is an example of this. But it's allegorical, so I wouldn't say it's "teaching" anyone to do this or that. There aren't many biblical literalists out there, except when they find a convenient passage that reinforces their views.
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on September 16, 2009, 09:33:41 AM
One question.
What? I've never seen anywhere in the Bible that says "KILL THE NON-BELIEVERS!!!". Maybe some people need to read the religious books a little better before they slam every single religion in the same pile.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+17&version=KJV
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3
And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5
Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Maybe you should read the bible, silly man. First one clearly mentions non-believers.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Chronicles+15&version=KJV
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and
everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=9&search=Deuteronomy+13
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: d
o not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.
Figures the southern baptist would make a claim about the Bible without reading itself because LOL I WENT TO BIBLE CAMP ASK MY PASTOR
SHUN THE NONBELIEVER
SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Silly boy.
James pointed it all out. But that's the problem with people like you. You're all talk but you don't even read the book.
It's in plain English. What are you waiting for?
Thank you James. Less work for me. n_u
Quote from: Travis on September 16, 2009, 12:43:44 PM
you best be joking
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james summed up purdy well why i aint a christian. so jmv you be a good boy and throw some quranic verses at me and i'll see if i feel like rebutting them |:
Psh God's word is so 2000 years ago. Jesus' is where it's at
Quote from: RDX on September 16, 2009, 04:35:17 PM
nigger
james summed up purdy well why i aint a christian. so jmv you be a good boy and throw some quranic verses at me and i'll see if i feel like rebutting them |:
If you feel like paying for it I'd gladly take an english copy of the quran to do so.
Quote from: JMV on September 16, 2009, 05:42:35 PM
If you feel like paying for it I'd gladly take an english copy of the quran to do so.
oh i thought you just googled stuff. my bad.
speaking of which i need a new bible i lost mine because it fell apart
I always laugh at the passage where God kills children because they made fun of Elisha's bald head.
23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
I know it's kind of irrelevant I just wanted to share that ;)
Quote from: Cyanide on September 16, 2009, 09:49:06 PM
I always laugh at the passage where God kills children because they made fun of Elisha's bald head.
23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
I know it's kind of irrelevant I just wanted to share that ;)
2 Kings 2: 23-24, my favorite verse. :3
Quote from: JMV on September 16, 2009, 02:09:11 PM
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+17&version=KJV
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Maybe you should read the bible, silly man. First one clearly mentions non-believers.
You're forgetting one thing. That's talking to the people of Isreal. These were people who believed in God, but then had forsaken God by worshiping false idols, like Baal, when Moses had brought them from the hands of the Egyptians. Israel's people constantly forsook God by worshiping something else, even though they were God's chosen people.
Quotehttp://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Chronicles+15&version=KJV
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
Again, Israelites. They were forsaking God, like they always do. God kept saving them and helping them, and they kept turning away from him.
Quotehttp://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=9&search=Deuteronomy+13
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.
That said nothing about non-believers. That's talking about being enticed to stop believing in God.
Also, just to add, that these rules no longer apply to us. That was worked out a long time ago.
QuoteFigures the southern baptist would make a claim about the Bible without reading itself because LOL I WENT TO BIBLE CAMP ASK MY PASTOR
I'm not "Southern Baptist". I'm a southerner and a Baptist, but that's about it. And I didn't ask my pastor for this. I read it myself.
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on September 22, 2009, 09:12:07 AM
You're forgetting one thing. That's talking to the people of Isreal. These were people who believed in God, but then had forsaken God by worshiping false idols, like Baal, when Moses had brought them from the hands of the Egyptians. Israel's people constantly forsook God by worshiping something else, even though they were God's chosen people.
Once again, your interpretation
QuoteAgain, Israelites. They were forsaking God, like they always do. God kept saving them and helping them, and they kept turning away from him.
And he wanted them to be killed.
QuoteThat said nothing about non-believers. That's talking about being enticed to stop believing in God.
Did you read this?
QuoteAlso, just to add, that these rules no longer apply to us. That was worked out a long time ago.
lol
1. You asked where the Bible said it. I provided several places it says it.
2. Once again, your interpretation
Quote
I'm not "Southern Baptist". I'm a southerner and a Baptist, but that's about it. And I didn't ask my pastor for this. I read it myself.
You read it wrong. baddood;
edit: furthermore, by your logic aren't the 10 commandments and "lol no being gay" also talking to the people of Israel? Or is your magical metaphor/context meter creating more links?
Quote from: JMV on September 22, 2009, 09:39:30 AM
Once again, your interpretation
No, that's pretty much what that section is about.
QuoteAnd he wanted them to be killed.
He wanted to prove a point. He would constantly do things to try to turn them back to him, but they kept ignoring him. Death's pretty much the last thing you can do. Then people start paying attention.
QuoteDid you read this?
...No, I did not. Oops.
Quotelol
1. You asked where the Bible said it. I provided several places it says it.
2. Once again, your interpretation
Eh, okay. My bad.
QuoteYou read it wrong. baddood;
I do that sometimes. I'm not perfect.
Quoteedit: furthermore, by your logic aren't the 10 commandments and "lol no being gay" also talking to the people of Israel? Or is your magical metaphor/context meter creating more links?
Then, they were applying to the Israelites. But after Jesus, it expanded to mean Gentiles, as well. Before Jesus, it was believed that no one but the Jews could enter Heaven, but after Jesus came and said that you may only get to Heaven through him, it allowed anyone who wanted in to enter. You just have to accept Jesus as your Savior and repent for your sins.
As for more links, I don't know.
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on September 22, 2009, 01:02:55 PM
I do that sometimes. I'm not perfect.
Then, they were applying to the Israelites. But after Jesus, it expanded to mean Gentiles, as well. Before Jesus, it was believed that no one but the Jews could enter Heaven, but after Jesus came and said that you may only get to Heaven through him, it allowed anyone who wanted in to enter. You just have to accept Jesus as your Savior and repent for your sins.
As for more links, I don't know.
Where does it say which only apply to israelites?
Quote from: PuuMastaFunk on September 22, 2009, 01:02:55 PM
He wanted to prove a point. He would constantly do things to try to turn them back to him, but they kept ignoring him. Death's pretty much the last thing you can do. Then people start paying attention.
That's a little extreme, I mean, there WERE religions before Christianity and people did switch from their old religion to Christianity, why couldn't people switch out of it?
The one thing that throws me off the most about Christianity is how damn easy it is. I could pillage a village (lol rhyme) and rape 1000 women and then repent and everything would be alright. That's just wrong. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, but there is no definitive line. Some say if Hitler repented he could've gone to heaven, others disagree and say even ax murders wouldn't get in. If life was as simple as saying "Yes, Jesus did save mankind", then why live? Why don't we all just jump off a bridge and hurry on our way into the arms of God?
Quote from: RDX on September 23, 2009, 10:16:37 PM
The one thing that throws me off the most about Christianity is how damn easy it is. I could pillage a village (lol rhyme) and rape 1000 women and then repent and everything would be alright. That's just wrong. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, but there is no definitive line. Some say if Hitler repented he could've gone to heaven, others disagree and say even ax murders wouldn't get in. If life was as simple as saying "Yes, Jesus did save mankind", then why live? Why don't we all just jump off a bridge and hurry on our way into the arms of God?
Because you need to take people out with you, then you get virgins and God. akudood;
Also, it depends on which sect you're talking about. Some teach as long as you repent for your sins and accept God (read: join their version of the religion. Others are false) you are saved.
Others have other methodologies for getting into heaven. Like with your example, I'm pretty sure catholicism teaches suicide will prevent you entrance into Heaven.