Discuss how amazing this CD will be despite taking a more power pop approach. I've already got it pre-ordered. May can not get any further than it is right now. Are you excited? y/y
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Yeah cool i totally know what that is
No because new Green Day sucks
Quote from: Geno on February 10, 2009, 07:45:59 PM
No because new Green Day sucks
Green Day and suck do not go together at all. Better reword that.
Quote from: Wandering Hiro on February 10, 2009, 07:28:08 PM
Yeah cool i totally know what that is
Yeah cool totally don't post next time.
Quote from: Wrenchninja on February 10, 2009, 07:47:07 PM
Green Day and suck do not go together at all. Better reword that.Yeah cool totally don't post next time.
American Idiot was so terrible.
Maybe if it's closer to the 90s Green day it will be good. hocuspocus;
I did not know about this until now.
I certainly hope Green Day focuses on more of Dookie's sound than American Idiot's.
Or even do some experimenting, but not overdo it like The Beatles.
does not interest me in the slightest.
I don't care either way, but i would hate it much less if it were more like older green day, or something not green day at all.
Quote from: steal on February 10, 2009, 08:27:16 PM
I don't care about it, at all.
5 years is an awful long time to go without releasing an album though, so hopefully it'll be worth the wait for their fans.
It's really been 5 years? Well here's to another 5 years after this record, or hopefully it'll be their last!
Quote from: Geno on February 10, 2009, 07:48:58 PM
American Idiot was so terrible.
Maybe if it's closer to the 90s Green day it will be good. hocuspocus;
It's going to be more power pop than punk rock. Whole new sound.
Quote from: Methree on February 11, 2009, 12:21:38 AM
It's really been 5 years? Well here's to another 5 years after this record, or hopefully it'll be their last!
Leave my thread now.
Quote from: Sponge on February 10, 2009, 07:52:03 PM
I did not know about this until now.
I certainly hope Green Day focuses on more of Dookie's sound than American Idiot's.
Or even do some experimenting, but not overdo it like The Beatles.
Definitely experimenting with this album.
when is Green Day ever like punk?
Quote from: Skylark on February 11, 2009, 07:23:39 PM
when is Green Day ever like punk?
No need to prove it since this does not interest you in the slightest. Oh well, better luck next time.
Quote from: Wrenchninja on February 11, 2009, 07:44:14 PM
No need to prove it since this does not interest you in the slightest. Oh well, better luck next time.
No, I am actually very interested in hearing how Green Day qualifies as punk music
We'll see... I'll listen to just about anything as long as it pleases my ears
Quote from: Methree on February 11, 2009, 12:21:38 AM
It's really been 5 years? Well here's to another 5 years after this record, or hopefully it'll be their last!
Bands usually break apart within their first fifteen years of popularity. Even endless bands like the Rolling Stones struggled at a few points in their careers. Chances are this will be the last Green Day album people care about.
Sorry skylark but green day did in fact used to be a type of punk. The really terrible generic type
I hear people say that but when I listen I don't hear it. punk rock /=/ punk rock
Think of it as how both elvis and slayer are rock.
I understand that, but 'rock' is a very general term, more so than punk I think. And I also think that pop-punk and punk are not very similar at all.
The difference between Crass and Green Day is so huge.
Quote from: Skylark on February 11, 2009, 09:43:43 PM
I understand that, but 'rock' is a very general term, more so than punk I think. And I also think that pop-punk and punk are not very similar at all.
The difference between Crass and Green Day is so huge.
Green Day IS punk rock akudood;
Quote from: Geno on February 11, 2009, 09:47:54 PM
Green Day IS punk rock akudood;
Green Day is everything punk rock stands against akudood;
Quote from: Skylark on February 11, 2009, 09:49:20 PM
Green Day is everything punk rock stands against akudood;
We're talking about old green day not their new shit
Quote from: Geno on February 11, 2009, 09:50:47 PM
We're talking about old green day not their new shit
We're talking about that fact that Green Day supports MTV and rakes in the $$$ is generic and doesn't act on change. No, that isn't what punk is about.
You have to understand that punk genuinely is more than a music genre, it started out as such and it (on a smaller level) continues to be that way.
Quote from: Skylark on February 11, 2009, 09:54:28 PM
We're talking about that fact that Green Day supports MTV and rakes in the $$$ is generic and doesn't act on change. No, that isn't what punk is about.
You have to understand that punk genuinely is more than a music genre, it started out as such and it (on a smaller level) continues to be that way.
oh well I don't listen to punk rock so I wouldn't be the one to know n_u
"Punk rock" stands for standing whatever the fuck you want to stand for regardless of what people think; therefore supporting MTV could be that. But I wouldn't call Green Day punk because they're in it for the money... wait, I might be contradicting myself.
Quote from: coz on February 12, 2009, 06:23:17 AM
"Punk rock" stands for standing whatever the fuck you want to stand for regardless of what people think; therefore supporting MTV could be that. But I wouldn't call Green Day punk because they're in it for the money... wait, I might be contradicting myself.
yeah that sounds sort of contradictory... generally supporting MTV goes along with being in it for the money. Let's "make it big"
Quote from: Wandering Hiro on February 11, 2009, 09:41:18 PM
Think of it as how both elvis and slayer are rock.
Slayer is Metal you dumbass
Punk Rock has reason. It doesn't just rebel for the sake of it. They do it for the sake of the people, going against the man. It's a form of music that tells us that we can't just play the nice guy all the time. In today's society, a little bit of being a dick is necessary to fight for your own right. That's a message that some of Punk Rock tells us.
Quote from: Geno on February 12, 2009, 04:48:09 PM
Slayer is Metal you dumbass
Metal is a genre of rock...
Quote from: Skylark on February 11, 2009, 07:52:23 PM
No, I am actually very interested in hearing how Green Day qualifies as punk music
Listen to the CD called
Insomniac. I find it to be their second best album behind only
1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours. The early stuff is punk.
Quote from: Wrenchninja on February 13, 2009, 06:28:07 PM
Listen to the CD called Insomniac. I find it to be their second best album behind only 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours. The early stuff is punk.
Sorry, I am not going to listen to Green Day. I am not that interested. An argument for why they are punk, I would listen to that but not an album. They're just MTV pop punk.
Quote from: Skylark on February 12, 2009, 06:59:09 AM
yeah that sounds sort of contradictory... generally supporting MTV goes along with being in it for the money. Let's "make it big"
To me, "punk" simply means you don't give a fuck what other people think and think what you want. Unfortunately, people interpret this as not having a popular hairstyle. A punk could be a conservative, have clean cut looks, worship Jesus, and listen to popular music, so long as he doesn't give a fuck about what people think about that. He could also be a radical communist, an atheist, and dress up in spiked leathers. It's too ambiguous and confusing, so I'd rather leave punk as a type of music defined by the Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Crass, the Ramones, etc.
Quote from: Skylark on February 13, 2009, 10:31:45 PM
Sorry, I am not going to listen to Green Day. I am not that interested. An argument for why they are punk, I would listen to that but not an album. They're just MTV pop punk.
We are discussing the music side of Green Day being punk and you fail to cooperate. Your argument is completely invalid now since you fail to do what was requested. I rest my case.
Quote from: coz on February 13, 2009, 11:18:14 PM
To me, "punk" simply means you don't give a fuck what other people think and think what you want. Unfortunately, people interpret this as not having a popular hairstyle. A punk could be a conservative, have clean cut looks, worship Jesus, and listen to popular music, so long as he doesn't give a fuck about what people think about that. He could also be a radical communist, an atheist, and dress up in spiked leathers. It's too ambiguous and confusing, so I'd rather leave punk as a type of music defined by the Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Crass, the Ramones, etc.
I agree with this mostly I don't think that punk has a definite style. Punk, in a lot of ways is what it wants to be but I do not think that punk is MTV. I actually think that punk and MTV are polar opposites.
The thing is that you bring up Crass...
Even though they came after The Sex Pistols they are sort of what define punk for me. No, that doesn't mean I think every punk band needs to be DIY or crust punk (or anarcho) exclusively but I do think that each punk band sort of needs to have that sort of mentality.
Okay, Wrench, rest your case. I know what Green Day sounds like. I have heard old Green Day and I have heard new Green Day (and I don't want to listen to anymore) and I have seen them on MTV. "I rest my case"
Quote from: Skylark on February 14, 2009, 08:04:34 AM
I agree with this mostly I don't think that punk has a definite style. Punk, in a lot of ways is what it wants to be but I do not think that punk is MTV. I actually think that punk and MTV are polar opposites.
Yeah, wasn't saying MTV is punk at all and they really are opposites. But if you were to say "I'm on MTV, and I don't give a fuck!", hey, that could be a punky move. But I don't really like using the term punk anyways. All of the great punk bands never said "LOOK, WE ARE PUNK REBELS". It's counter-conformity - you want to be punk and nonconformist so you get a mohawk and wear an anarchy shirt.
QuoteThe thing is that you bring up Crass...
Even though they came after The Sex Pistols they are sort of what define punk for me. No, that doesn't mean I think every punk band needs to be DIY or crust punk (or anarcho) exclusively but I do think that each punk band sort of needs to have that sort of mentality.
I'm not a Crass fan myself, but I do think a sort of DIY or independent mentality is important for a punk musician. I laugh at the idea of anarcho-pacifism, but they liked the idea and hated the man because they wanted to help the world, not because they wanted to be punk rebelz.
Quote from: coz on February 14, 2009, 11:18:10 AM
Yeah, wasn't saying MTV is punk at all and they really are opposites. But if you were to say "I'm on MTV, and I don't give a fuck!", hey, that could be a punky move. But I don't really like using the term punk anyways. All of the great punk bands never said "LOOK, WE ARE PUNK REBELS". It's counter-conformity - you want to be punk and nonconformist so you get a mohawk and wear an anarchy shirt.I'm not a Crass fan myself, but I do think a sort of DIY or independent mentality is important for a punk musician. I laugh at the idea of anarcho-pacifism, but they liked the idea and hated the man because they wanted to help the world, not because they wanted to be punk rebelz.
I understand what you're saying... And I don't quite know why you are. I understand that they weren't trying to be punk rebels. However, I would not consider Green Day punk. I feel as if we have lost our point, here
Quote from: Skylark on February 14, 2009, 11:26:52 AM
I understand what you're saying... And I don't quite know why you are. I understand that they weren't trying to be punk rebels. However, I would not consider Green Day punk. I feel as if we have lost our point, here
EVERYTHING IS ALL CONFUSING AND STUFF.
And yeah, to me they were always pop punk. In the 90's, a good pop punk band. Today, a bad one.