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Poll
Question: Turn based or action?
Option 1: Turn based (Skies of Arcadia, etc...)
Option 2: Action (Paper Mario, etc...)
Title: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Classic on January 30, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
So, I need to know what you think.
Do you guys like traditional turned based RPGs (Skies of Arcadia, etc...) or action RPGs (Paper Mario, etc...)
Insight would help. I need this data for obvious reasons.

Turn based, obviously, plays like this.
Set your action, watch the action, watch enemy action, repeat.

Action plays like a Paper Mario title where...
You set your action, you play your action (timing attacks, etc...), then watch the enemy.

Please answer and explain.
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Hiro on January 30, 2009, 06:37:28 PM
I prefer the action kind, you get a little more involved in the game  bassir;
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Nyerp on January 30, 2009, 06:44:07 PM
paper mario is turn-based; action rpgs are where you freely control your character goonish
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: StarPilot on January 30, 2009, 06:45:16 PM
Turn based is my preference, but I think that's because I'm easily distracted.
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Classic on January 30, 2009, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: Nyerp on January 30, 2009, 06:44:07 PM
paper mario is turn-based; action rpgs are where you freely control your character goonish

Silly me.

It's been a long day. Please ignore my idiocy and  answer the question.
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Nyerp on January 30, 2009, 06:57:04 PM
Quote from: Alice on January 30, 2009, 06:53:29 PM
Silly me.

It's been a long day. Please ignore my idiocy and  answer the question.


turn-bassed
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Geno on January 30, 2009, 08:14:50 PM
It really depends on how it's executed.
Games like Mass Effect excute the action RPG genre perfectly.
and some other games like Final Fantasy: Dirge of Cerberus fail.

I guess I like Turn based
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: ncba93ivyase on January 31, 2009, 06:32:30 AM
Turn based

Unless it's like the shitty way some Final Fantasy games do it: you have a little meter that slowly charges up, and while you're selecting moves, enemies are still attacking. goonish
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Nyerp on January 31, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 31, 2009, 06:32:30 AM
Turn based

Unless it's like the shitty way some Final Fantasy games do it: you have a little meter that slowly charges up, and while you're selecting moves, enemies are still attacking. goonish


wah it's too hard for me myface;
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Thyme on January 31, 2009, 10:13:16 AM
Hard to say since I personally don't count Paper Mario as an action RPG. When I think of action RPGs, games like Brave Fencer Musashi and the Tales series come to mind instead.

Either way, I like both. Sometimes one would fit the overall style of the game more than the other. I'd go with your definition of action RPG in My Heroes' case: traditional with timed attacks. I'm sure you can find some silly and original system to incorporate in it. :3
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: ncba93ivyase on January 31, 2009, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: Nyerp on January 31, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
wah it's too hard for me myface;
there's no such thing as a hard rpg

It's simply annoying.

What's worse is when you have to wait to charge up and select a spell, then wait for the spell to charge up before it's used. Makes magic completely useless.
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Geno on January 31, 2009, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 31, 2009, 10:44:41 AM
there's no such thing as a hard rpg
Mass Effect
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Samus Aran on January 31, 2009, 11:54:06 AM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 31, 2009, 10:44:41 AM
there's no such thing as a hard rpg

It's simply annoying.

What's worse is when you have to wait to charge up and select a spell, then wait for the spell to charge up before it's used. Makes magic completely useless.


um

the spells in "active" time in FF6 and 7 activate immediately as long as nothing happens before you can use it, like an enemy attacking

so i'm assuming the other "active" time games are like that as well

ps: you can change it to "wait"
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Classic on January 31, 2009, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 31, 2009, 06:32:30 AM
Turn based

Unless it's like the shitty way some Final Fantasy games do it: you have a little meter that slowly charges up, and while you're selecting moves, enemies are still attacking. goonish

Nah. None of that bullshit. Think Skies of Arcadia.

Quote from: Thyme on January 31, 2009, 10:13:16 AM
Hard to say since I personally don't count Paper Mario as an action RPG. When I think of action RPGs, games like Brave Fencer Musashi and the Tales series come to mind instead.

Either way, I like both. Sometimes one would fit the overall style of the game more than the other. I'd go with your definition of action RPG in My Heroes' case: traditional with timed attacks. I'm sure you can find some silly and original system to incorporate in it. :3

Right now we just want to get a ground base going.
As far as silly antics in the game, there are sequences in battle called "ACTION!". These are small in-game minigames that can effect the battle greatly.

For example, the characters are battling a bad guy on a train. When the "ACTION!" icon appears, the player presses the action button at the right time. If executed correctly, the characters will jump and the bad guy, for example won't, causing himself to be hit by a post or tunnel entrance.

Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 31, 2009, 10:44:41 AM
there's no such thing as a hard rpg

That's about to change. ;)
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Samus Aran on January 31, 2009, 12:00:26 PM
Also, I think that the Tales action style is my favorite battle system for RPGs now. I have no idea how Skies of Arcadia plays because I've never played it.

Tactical-turn-based is probably my second favorite. FFT, Disgaea and the like.

So yeah, I think using a full action battle system would be just awesome.
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Classic on January 31, 2009, 12:03:22 PM
Quote from: Kaz on January 31, 2009, 12:00:26 PM
Also, I think that the Tales action style is my favorite battle system for RPGs now. I have no idea how Skies of Arcadia plays because I've never played it.

Tactical-turn-based is probably my second favorite. FFT, Disgaea and the like.

So yeah, I think using a full action battle system would be just awesome.

It'll work like this:

You set your team attacks. Fastest attacks first. Slowest attacks last. Enemies attack. Faster enemies attack before heroes. Basically, you sit back and watch after tactical thinking.
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Geno on January 31, 2009, 12:04:03 PM
Quote from: Alice on January 31, 2009, 12:03:22 PM
It'll work like this:

You set your team attacks. Fastest attacks first. Slowest attacks last. Enemies attack. Faster enemies attack before heroes. Basically, you sit back and watch after tactical thinking.
blue dragon
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Classic on January 31, 2009, 12:05:00 PM
Quote from: Geno on January 31, 2009, 12:04:03 PM
blue dragon

Skies of Arcadia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blue Dragon, dear.

Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Nyerp on January 31, 2009, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: Alice on January 31, 2009, 12:03:22 PM
It'll work like this:

You set your team attacks. Fastest attacks first. Slowest attacks last. Enemies attack. Faster enemies attack before heroes. Basically, you sit back and watch after tactical thinking.


that's turn-based

action rpgs are for idiots who say "WAAAAHH WHY CAN'T I JUST MOVE MY CHARACTER AND HIT THE OTHER GUY WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT WAHHHH I'M AN IDIOT"
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Geno on January 31, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: Alice on January 31, 2009, 12:05:00 PM
Skies of Arcadia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blue Dragon, dear.


Duh but that sounds exactly like Blue Dragon the way you described it
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Classic on January 31, 2009, 12:07:22 PM
Quote from: Nyerp on January 31, 2009, 12:05:19 PM
that's turn-based

action rpgs are for idiots who say "WAAAAHH WHY CAN'T I JUST MOVE MY CHARACTER AND HIT THE OTHER GUY WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT WAHHHH I'M AN IDIOT"

I'm thinking I'm going to have the team go with that style.
I prefer turn-based anyways.

Quote from: Geno on January 31, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
Duh but that sounds exactly like Blue Dragon the way you described it

Skies of Arcadia is not only superior, but it also came first so I'm using  it as an example.
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Geno on January 31, 2009, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Alice on January 31, 2009, 12:07:22 PM
Skies of Arcadia is not only superior, but it also came first so I'm using  it as an example.
I never played it so IDK  hocuspocus;
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Samus Aran on January 31, 2009, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: Nyerp on January 31, 2009, 12:05:19 PM
action rpgs are for idiots who say "WAAAAHH WHY CAN'T I JUST MOVE MY CHARACTER AND HIT THE OTHER GUY WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT WAHHHH I'M AN IDIOT"


Or maybe some of us like to have styles other than an endless slew of turn-based games? Variety is nice, you know.

I love both action and turn-based RPGs, and I certainly don't whine like that about turn-based ones.
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Nyerp on January 31, 2009, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: Kaz on January 31, 2009, 12:08:43 PM
Or maybe some of us like to have styles other than an endless slew of turn-based games? Variety is nice, you know.

I love both action and turn-based RPGs, and I certainly don't whine like that about turn-based ones.


i'm talking about idiots who only play action ones for that reason
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Thyme on January 31, 2009, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: Alice on January 31, 2009, 11:57:18 AM
Right now we just want to get a ground base going.
As far as silly antics in the game, there are sequences in battle called "ACTION!". These are small in-game minigames that can effect the battle greatly.

For example, the characters are battling a bad guy on a train. When the "ACTION!" icon appears, the player presses the action button at the right time. If executed correctly, the characters will jump and the bad guy, for example won't, causing himself to be hit by a post or tunnel entrance.
That's about to change. ;)


Yes. This. :3
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: ncba93ivyase on January 31, 2009, 12:30:20 PM
Quote from: Kaz on January 31, 2009, 11:54:06 AM
the spells in "active" time in FF6 and 7 activate immediately as long as nothing happens before you can use it, like an enemy attacking
play ff5 and x-2
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Samus Aran on January 31, 2009, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 31, 2009, 12:30:20 PM
play ff5 and x-2


i'll pass

thanks for the warning though i guess
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Lozal on January 31, 2009, 12:53:18 PM
Turn-based, like Fire Emblem.
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: ncba93ivyase on January 31, 2009, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Lozal. on January 31, 2009, 12:53:18 PM
Fire Emblem.
ew myface;
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Lozal on January 31, 2009, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 31, 2009, 12:54:53 PM
ew myface;
It started to suck after Sacred Stones. myface;

Seven and eight were surprisingly great. Anything after is absolute shit.  :(
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Geno on January 31, 2009, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on January 31, 2009, 12:54:53 PM
ew myface;
God you have such shitty taste
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: ncba93ivyase on January 31, 2009, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: Geno on January 31, 2009, 02:42:41 PM
God you have such shitty taste
um no

Fire Emblem is just a horrendously boring series and the graphics in each and every game are disgustingly and inexcusably outdated.

Good turn-based SRPGs: Final Fantasy Tactics
Bad turn-based SRPGs: Fire Emblem
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Placebo Headwound on January 31, 2009, 07:04:01 PM
Quote from: Lozal. on January 31, 2009, 12:59:17 PM
It started to suck after Sacred Stones. myface;

Seven and eight were surprisingly great. Anything after is absolute shit.  :(
Path of Radiance was my favorite one. :(

Haven't played Radiant Dawn, tho.
Title: Re: I need your opinions...(RPG development related)
Post by: Hiro on January 31, 2009, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: Thief888 on January 31, 2009, 07:04:01 PM
Path of Radiance was my favorite one. :(

Haven't played Radiant Dawn, tho.
WHY  :(