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Title: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: Selkie on August 18, 2007, 06:28:26 PM
Am I the only one who actually is slightly affected by people making jokes about people with any kind of mental disability?

It is a huge pet peeve(if you will) of mine. Maybe because my aunt has a mental illness.

But even my friend, who'se cousin and grandma have a mental illness doesn't care, and says 'retard' all the time.

I don't know if I am being over-sensitive about it or not, but I seriously think I am the only one who doesn't think retard jokes are necessary.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: ncba93ivyase on August 18, 2007, 06:37:29 PM
I await a rebuttal from someone like Guff, but I really consider mentally retarded folks, such as yourself, less than human. I look down upon idiocy, and I consider those with mental disabilities nothing more than the lowest of idiots. Or maybe those that supposedly "help them along" even lower, since many permit the person to do as they please. I've seen kids with Down's syndrome slap teachers and even their parents, yet no one tells them it's wrong. A retard is not something a person wants to be, so saying "disposable toast is fucking retarded" sounds perfectly fine to me.

Really, what bothers me is when people use "gay" in a negative connotation. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, so it bothers me when a kid's house burns down, and another says "that's gay."

Jesus Christ, that was a horrible typo.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Selkie on August 18, 2007, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on August 18, 2007, 06:37:29 PM
I await a rebuttal from someone like Guff, but I really consider mentally retarded folks, such as yourself, less than human. I look down upon idiocy, and I consider those with mental disabilities nothing more than the lowest of idiots. Or maybe those that supposedly "help them along" even lower, since many permit the person to do as they please. I've seen kids with Down's syndrome slap teachers and even their parents, yet no one tells them it's wrong. A retard is not something a person wants to be, so saying "disposable toast is fucking retarded" sounds perfectly fine to me.

Really, what bothers me is when people use "gay" in a negative connotation. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, so it bothers me when a kid's house burns down, and another says "that's gay."

Jesus Christ, that was a horrible typo.


so since there's nothing wrong with it, that makes it a more sensitive subject to use out of context?

And they can't control their idiocy, it was given to them. Don't look down upon them, pity them, for being given a faulty brain.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: ncba93ivyase on August 18, 2007, 06:46:26 PM
Quote from: Ripster on August 18, 2007, 06:43:03 PM
so since there's nothing wrong with it, that makes it a more sensitive subject to use out of context?

And they can't control their idiocy, it was given to them. Don't look down upon them, pity them, for being given a faulty brain.
um they were born not constructed

Pity=Look down upon them.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: FAMY2 on August 18, 2007, 09:36:02 PM
Quote from: Ripster on August 18, 2007, 06:43:03 PM
so since there's nothing wrong with it, that makes it a more sensitive subject to use out of context?

And they can't control their idiocy, it was given to them. Don't look down upon them, pity them, for being given a faulty brain.


They don't need pity. They need compassion and understanding.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Pash on August 19, 2007, 08:10:20 AM
The same reason why people use the word "fag" as a derogatory word.

Chances are, if you see a kid using the word "retard" and "fag" as an insult, he/she really doesn't know who or what it's meant to offend. So guess what? They use it everyday. Otherwise, people just use it as their way of talking, and they don't mean to offend anyone of the source. Or, people use to offend the person they are describing and they do know the definition. Lots of people see these words a different way. I think it's starting to get into society and starting to become the term of a young person's way to talk.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Snorkel on August 19, 2007, 03:01:47 PM
Doesn't bother me. It's the same thing as "racism", I think -- when I'm around my friends I make jokes about killing niggers and whatever, but it's not like I actually hate black people. It's more like I'm making fun of people who really are racist, in a way. But among intelligent people who can tell the difference, it's funny.

So, same thing with making fun of retarded people, sort of, except a lot more people actually don't realize that that sort of mental illness is a very real and serious thing.  psyduck;

As for actually using the word "retarded", I don't care; I've never been sensitive to words.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Samus Aran on August 19, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Why would it bother me? Everyone gets teased. Why should they be any different? Why can't you just accept them as being equals? Do you think so highly of yourself that you feel the need to look down upon and pity people with handicaps?

And the word "retarded" is bullshit anyway. It's just a word. Nobody screams and cries for the mutes when people call each other "dumb."
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: ncba93ivyase on August 19, 2007, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: Kaz on August 19, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Why can't you just accept them as being equals?


I can't accept something that can barely think on its own as "equal." Hell, cats, rats, chimps, and octopuses are more intelligent by a longshot.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Samus Aran on August 19, 2007, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on August 19, 2007, 03:26:56 PM
I can't accept something that can barely think on its own as "equal." Hell, cats, rats, chimps, and octopuses are more intelligent by a longshot.


Your choice. I still choose to treat them like any other human being, even if they can't understand.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: YPrrrr on August 19, 2007, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: Kaz on August 19, 2007, 03:28:23 PM
Your choice. I still choose to treat them like any other human being, even if they can't understand.
Same here...

I used to live by a home for them, and they still appreciate you talking with them.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: ncba93ivyase on August 19, 2007, 05:16:20 PM
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on August 19, 2007, 03:54:40 PM
Same here...

I used to live by a home for them, and they still appreciate you talking with them.
From first grade until fourth grade, my teachers would always have a retard sit beside me. I can't bear the odor, and I can't bear the stupidity. I hate the abominations and my opinions on them will probably never change.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: V on August 19, 2007, 06:18:47 PM
The one thing you are forgetting lawlz is that mentally challenged kids (well, most of them) are born that way. They will never know what it feels like to not be retarded.

Quote from: Lawlz on August 19, 2007, 06:40:48 AM
ITT Ripster admits he's mentally retarded.


Also,stay on the topic, leave your witty remarks in the lobby.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: ncba93ivyase on August 19, 2007, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: V on August 19, 2007, 06:18:47 PM
The one thing you are forgetting lawlz is that mentally challenged kids (well, most of them) are born that way. They will never know what it feels like to not be retarded.

Yeah... I'm not retarded. I know this.

I still don't give a damn. If it can't live on its own, it shouldn't live at all. Leave it on a hillside for the wolves.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: V on August 19, 2007, 06:32:45 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on August 19, 2007, 06:23:33 PM
Yeah... I'm not retarded. I know this.

I still don't give a damn. If it can't live on its own, it shouldn't live at all. Leave it on a hillside for the wolves.


All this proves is that you have a big lack of compassion. I just think it is kind of harsh to look down on someone as if they are beneath you when they can't control the fact they are retarded.

What would you rather have us to do them? Build concentration camps and off them all?
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: ncba93ivyase on August 19, 2007, 06:37:32 PM
Quote from: V on August 19, 2007, 06:32:45 PM
All this proves is that you have a big lack of compassion. I just think it is kind of harsh to look down on someone as if they are beneath you when they can't control the fact they are retarded.

What would you rather have us to do them? Build concentration camps and off them all?
Or just abort them.

Or burn their corpses for fuel.

Or sell them as pets.

Jesus Christ, anything. I really don't care. If it's not capable of living on its own and deep thought, then I don't consider it human.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Houdini on August 19, 2007, 11:51:52 PM
I think it's fine. I don't get offended by other people's opinions. If people want to make retard jokes, then let them do it. It's called freedom of speech.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: guff on August 20, 2007, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on August 18, 2007, 06:37:29 PM
I await a rebuttal from someone like Guff, but I really consider mentally retarded folks, such as yourself, less than human.
What is your definition of human?  psyduck;

Quote from: Lawlz on August 19, 2007, 06:37:32 PM
If it's not capable of living on its own and deep thought, then I don't consider it human.
Good idea; let's make abortion mandatory.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Pash on August 20, 2007, 08:28:09 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on August 19, 2007, 06:37:32 PM
Or just abort them.
Would they know when the woman is pregnant that the child is gonna be a retard?
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: The artist formally known on August 23, 2007, 11:11:01 PM
I don't mind retard jokes but for some reason I hate racist jokes, maybe because I'm sick of them. I don't know why but even if I'm not the race that is being mad fun of it makes me sick. I do laugh at some.

I don't really know anyone who makes fun of retards, except when we do the thing where we act like one and then say "hi my name is ___" the blank being whoever we're making fun of.


It's usually gay jokes for me and my friends.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Nyerp on January 16, 2008, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: reefer on August 23, 2007, 11:11:01 PM
I don't mind retard jokes but for some reason I hate racist jokes, maybe because I'm sick of them. I don't know why but even if I'm not the race that is being mad fun of it makes me sick. I do laugh at some.

I don't really know anyone who makes fun of retards, except when we do the thing where we act like one and then say "hi my name is ___" the blank being whoever we're making fun of.


It's usually gay jokes for me and my friends.

so making gay jokes is completely different from making racist jokes? befuddlement
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Andrew1911 on January 16, 2008, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: Lawlz on August 19, 2007, 06:37:32 PMOr burn their corpses for fuel.

Or sell them as pets.


Yes, Lawlz. You have constructed a wonderful utopia for yourself.
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: FULL_METAL_RYDER2 on January 17, 2008, 09:19:30 PM
Jesus Christ Lawlz, you're an ass.

What the hell did they do? They didn't ask for it, it was given to them, they don't understand...and you saying they should just be killed of because they came out "stupid" is just...wow...you're an ass.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Daddy on January 17, 2008, 09:36:46 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on August 18, 2007, 06:37:29 PM
. A retard is not something a person wants to be, so saying "disposable toast is fucking retarded" sounds perfectly fine to me.

Yet you are the one who added a filter for that word.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: don't let's on January 18, 2008, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on August 19, 2007, 06:37:32 PM
Or just abort them.

Or burn their corpses for fuel.

Or sell them as pets.

Jesus Christ, anything. I really don't care. If it's not capable of living on its own and deep thought, then I don't consider it human.
Oh hey, let's kill all the newborn babies too.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: ncba93ivyase on January 18, 2008, 06:23:23 PM
Quote from: Andrew1911 on January 16, 2008, 10:03:53 AM
Yes, Lawlz. You have constructed a wonderful utopia for yourself.
that was just sillyness
Quote from: TitleFMR227GT on January 17, 2008, 09:19:30 PM
What the hell did they do?
nothing, because they're not capable of anything but thorting glass AMAZING
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on January 18, 2008, 12:08:38 PM
Oh hey, let's kill all the newborn babies too.
except most will develop into humans capable of doing some work and a few capable of creating art
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: YPrrrr on January 18, 2008, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on January 18, 2008, 06:23:23 PM
except most will develop into humans capable of doing some work and a few capable of creating art
omg fetuses.

since when is Lawlz pro-life
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Houdini on January 18, 2008, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on January 18, 2008, 06:23:23 PM
they're not capable of anything but thorting glass AMAZING
Oh, really? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Scott)
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: Daddy on January 18, 2008, 08:15:24 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on January 18, 2008, 06:23:23 PM
nothing, because they're not capable of anything but thorting glass AMAZING
you seem to be doing fine.  why can't your brethren do the same?  powerofone;
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: Himu on January 19, 2008, 12:09:30 AM
I have no problem with it.  My brother is mentally ill too.
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: Squirtlejazz on January 19, 2008, 08:02:25 AM
I just find it sometimes rude. They cannot help the condition that they have. They didn't choose to be mentally handicapped. I look at them and feel sorry and realize that I am so blessed to have a fully functioning body.
Title: Re: People making retard jokes
Post by: don't let's on January 19, 2008, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on January 18, 2008, 06:23:23 PM
except most will develop into humans capable of doing some work and a few capable of creating art


It doesn't matter what they will develop into because you said "If it's not capable of living on its own and deep thought, then I don't consider it human." Newborn babies fit this description exactly, and will continue to fit that description for a number of years. So by your own definition you don't consider babies to be human.
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: NOA_Haunted on January 30, 2008, 10:43:23 AM
I don't know much people who say that anymore. It went from people saying "retarded" to "gay".

Ex: Thats retarded
       Thats gay
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: strongbad on January 30, 2008, 10:24:54 PM
I say retarded alot but it's grown on me as a normal insult, not something that means "hay, i hate retards". I guess I still care for mentally ill like, as long as they have the ability to have feelings, they can feel pain and hate from people being bitches to them. Some mentally ill people have done some good things in history, too.

idk doodthing;
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: One Man Freak Show on January 31, 2008, 12:34:44 AM
I say "retard" a lot, but I never really thought about it.

I feel bad now. doodthing;
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: Pyrate on January 31, 2008, 09:26:09 AM
I don't hate retarded people. Well, except for the ones that are totally useless and just yell all the time. Like this one bitch I saw at the grocery store that just kept shouting, "MAHM! MAHM! MAHM!" in this horrible voice and this other kid that was like, "MAHM DIS MOVIE COMES OUT ON DA 21ST. MAHM. ON DA 21ST, OKAY?"

but yeah i say retarded a lot doodthing;
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: FAMY2 on January 31, 2008, 10:02:09 AM
Are we talking retardation or mental illness? Downs is not a mental illness. There is a difference between the two. Depression is a mental illness. ADHD is a mental illness. If a person has below average intelligence it doesn't mean he is mentally ill.
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: ncba93ivyase on January 31, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: Clair on January 31, 2008, 10:02:09 AMADHD is a mental illness.
lol

HOMOSEXUALITY IS A MENTAL ILLNESS

HIGH IQ IS A MENTAL ILLNESS

But aside from that, okay.
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: sans culottes on February 03, 2008, 08:37:19 PM
Part of equality is making fun of everyone.
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: FAMY2 on February 04, 2008, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: Lawlz on January 31, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
lol

HOMOSEXUALITY IS A MENTAL ILLNESS

HIGH IQ IS A MENTAL ILLNESS

But aside from that, okay.


Are you saying you are in fact mentally ill?      doodhuh;
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: ncba93ivyase on February 04, 2008, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: Clair on February 04, 2008, 11:57:12 AM


Are you saying you are in fact mentally ill?      doodhuh;
I'm saying ADHD isn't a mental illness.
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: FAMY2 on February 04, 2008, 08:30:33 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on February 04, 2008, 06:31:17 PM
I'm saying ADHD isn't a mental illness.


  ADHD is treated by Mental Health Doctors in many cases. Just as Depression is.
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: ncba93ivyase on February 04, 2008, 08:34:28 PM
Quote from: Clair on February 04, 2008, 08:30:33 PM
  ADHD is treated by Mental Health Doctors in many cases. Just as Depression is.
Maybe those Mental Health Doctors should get a checkup.

If lacking an ability to focus and/or simply becoming easily bored is a mental disorder, then so is above average intelligence and anything that can't be described as "average."
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: Nyerp on February 05, 2008, 03:56:19 AM
Guys I'm depressed because my mother died.

siren; WARNING DANGEROUS RETARD siren;
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: guff on February 09, 2008, 05:23:59 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on February 04, 2008, 08:34:28 PM
If lacking an ability to focus and/or simply becoming easily bored is a mental disorder, then so is above average intelligence and anything that can't be described as "average."
i'm not following you

and since when is adhd defined as becoming bored easily
Title: Re: Jokes about the mentally ill
Post by: Flameow on February 22, 2008, 07:14:09 PM
I don't take offense to "that's retarded/that's gay".  If you said "that's stupid", people wouldn't get mad like "oh so now you hate people of lesser intelligence!"  Just because a word can be used to describe a human doesn't mean it's being used in that context.  I think when people get offended, they're just failing to see the versatility of the English language.  Saying "retarded" or "gay" isn't demeaning to retarded or gay people, it's being used in an entirely different situation, and has a different meaning. 
If I describe something that seems twisted or weird, I might say "that movie was dark."  But people don't make some weird connection in their head like "Dark people --> Dark --> Twisted-omigosh you're saying that black people are twisted!"  But here it goes "Retarded people ---> Retarded ---> Stupid"  It's mostly people jumping to conclusions and making weird associations in their heads, and assuming that the speaker means something that they don't.

Yeah, I know I don't make very much sense.