DONT EVEN FUCKING READ THIS THREAD IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT. SPOILERS WILL BE EVERYWHERE
can we talk about this movie because damn, it was great. it was really damn great. i'm not even sure all of what i want to say about it rn, i just wanted to start this thread so we can talk about this movie and stuff
hey so one thing that this movie did that i didn't think was possible was that it [spoiler]KILLED HAN SOLO[/spoiler] but did it well and didn't make everyone mad??? just imagine if george lucas had tried to write this scene, it would've been awful. but it was really fitting in this and done in a meaningful way and i'm pretty sure his death will be an important thing to come back to for the rest of the new trilogy
okay so now that that thought is out of the way, here are some minor-ish (mostly) complaints i have:
-too much fanservice and silly homages and nods to (mostly) a new hope. in particular, don't really see why the starkiller base planet had to be blown up just like the death star, i thought that was going a bit deep into soft-rebooting. i thought they would have only been able to disable its main gun, and that the real fight against the starkiller base was yet to come. i was a bit disappointed that it's already gone. and some little references are just silly and throwaway, like the hologram chess table in the falcon.
-who the fuck cares about phasma??? why is she in this???
-some details are too vague and are "explained" only by quick throwaway lines. like for example, the mcguffin of this film is the "map to luke skywalker," and that's pretty silly, but it's explained in a quick throwaway line that it's technically a map to the first jedi temple, and left at that. for another example, we are told very little about the circumstances between leia, han, and ben (rylo ken). why did ben become estranged from his parents? what was the whole situation with their family tbh? how did snoke draw him away from luke and into the dark side? small lines scattered here and there attempt to give a vague idea of these things but they feel weak. and i'm not confident we'll get answers to all of them in the next films.
but yeah the movie's great. this movie notably does the opposite of pretty much everything wrong with the prequel films. as if abrams and his writers were intentionally, specifically avoiding the things lucas did with the prequel films.
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on December 23, 2015, 11:10:04 PM
DONT EVEN FUCKING READ THIS THREAD IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT. SPOILERS WILL BE EVERYWHERE
can we talk about this movie because damn, it was great. it was really damn great. i'm not even sure all of what i want to say about it rn, i just wanted to start this thread so we can talk about this movie and stuff
hey so one thing that this movie did that i didn't think was possible was that it [spoiler]KILLED HAN SOLO[/spoiler] but did it well and didn't make everyone mad??? just imagine if george lucas had tried to write this scene, it would've been awful. but it was really fitting in this and done in a meaningful way and i'm pretty sure his death will be an important thing to come back to for the rest of the new trilogy
okay so now that that thought is out of the way, here are some minor-ish (mostly) complaints i have:
-too much fanservice and silly homages and nods to (mostly) a new hope. in particular, don't really see why the starkiller base planet had to be blown up just like the death star, i thought that was going a bit deep into soft-rebooting. i thought they would have only been able to disable its main gun, and that the real fight against the starkiller base was yet to come. i was a bit disappointed that it's already gone. and some little references are just silly and throwaway, like the hologram chess table in the falcon.
-who the fuck cares about phasma??? why is she in this???
-some details are too vague and are "explained" only by quick throwaway lines. like for example, the mcguffin of this film is the "map to luke skywalker," and that's pretty silly, but it's explained in a quick throwaway line that it's technically a map to the first jedi temple, and left at that. for another example, we are told very little about the circumstances between leia, han, and ben (rylo ken). why did ben become estranged from his parents? what was the whole situation with their family tbh? how did snoke draw him away from luke and into the dark side? small lines scattered here and there attempt to give a vague idea of these things but they feel weak. and i'm not confident we'll get answers to all of them in the next films.
but yeah the movie's great. this movie notably does the opposite of pretty much everything wrong with the prequel films. as if abrams and his writers were intentionally, specifically avoiding the things lucas did with the prequel films.
"rylo ken"? sillydood;
idk, I kinda liked that some of these things were left a mystery.
I'm sure they will answer these in the future, but I only hope whoever does the next two movies doesn't fuck up what J.J. accomplished.
But yeah, I see what you mean about some things, just kinda quickly explained.
but the original trilogy did that too.
a new hope had a very similar meeting about the Death Star where they were like, " does it have a weakness?"
"there's a hole here."
"kay let's go blow it up!"
also, I love Rey. I don't care if she's technically not the "best" character.
also, I wonder if calling the base "Starkiller" was some kind of nod to The Force Unleashed, that being the main character's name...
Quote from: Loto on December 23, 2015, 11:17:42 PM
but the original trilogy did that too.
that's exactly why it's a complaint of mine: it's literally the death star blown up again, not even remotely different
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on December 23, 2015, 11:20:33 PM
Quote from: Loto on December 23, 2015, 11:17:42 PM
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on December 23, 2015, 11:10:04 PM
but the original trilogy did that too.
that's exactly why it's a complaint of mine: it's literally the death star blown up again, not even remotely different
yeah i know. that's like, the consensus.
Quote from: Loto on December 23, 2015, 11:19:06 PM
also, I wonder if calling the base "Starkiller" was some kind of nod to The Force Unleashed, that being the main character's name...
i had that thought too sillydood;
why is the quote acting all weird?
also, I know that there are some people out there that think Kylo Ren is "Darth Emo," but I can't say I agree with that.
He's... an unstable Vader-like. He wants to be like Vader but is still very much a child.
I can't wait to see what he becomes in the sequels
Quote from: Loto on December 23, 2015, 11:22:14 PM
why is the quote acting all weird?
too many opened quote tags and not enough closed ones. i fixed it in my post.
Did you like Simon Pegg's and Daniel Craig's cameos?
they were cool
also kevin smith apparently did something in it
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on December 23, 2015, 11:30:34 PM
they were cool
also kevin smith apparently did something in it
hmmm... I don't recall hearing anything about that. I know he was able to visit the set way before the film was finished, but never heard of him doing anything for it.
maybe though. Not like I kept up with Smith during the making
movie was good, but rey felt almost like a mary sue in that she can pretty much do anything the other characters can't and stuff she can't do she learns almost instantly after seeing them (all of her force powers). her only real flaw as a character is her abandonment issues but they never really affect her in a negative way. thank god finn's there or else the movie would seem like fanfiction. tbh imo tbh
Quote from: Nyerp on December 24, 2015, 09:16:51 AM
movie was good, but rey felt almost like a mary sue in that she can pretty much do anything the other characters can't and stuff she can't do she learns almost instantly after seeing them (all of her force powers). her only real flaw as a character is her abandonment issues but they never really affect her in a negative way. thank god finn's there or else the movie would seem like fanfiction. tbh imo tbh
finn is a great character, and probably my second favorite.
Kylo Ren was fucking awesome.
"I'm being torn apart. I want to be free of this pain. I know what I have to do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it. Will you help me? " Adam Driver's delivery on that was fucking great
I hate that people are all "Kylo Ren is a whiny bitch" NO HE'S NOT. HE'S FURTHER AND FURTHER TURNING TO THE DARK SIDE AND CAN'T SUPPRESS HIS ANGER"
better delivery than anything Hayden did with his wooden acting
also do you all agree with the "Rey is Luke's daughter" theory?
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on December 24, 2015, 03:44:48 PM
Kylo Ren was fucking awesome.
"I'm being torn apart. I want to be free of this pain. I know what I have to do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it. Will you help me? " Adam Driver's delivery on that was fucking great
I hate that people are all "Kylo Ren is a whiny bitch" NO HE'S NOT. HE'S FURTHER AND FURTHER TURNING TO THE DARK SIDE AND CAN'T SUPPRESS HIS ANGER"
better delivery than anything Hayden did with his wooden acting
also do you all agree with the "Rey is Luke's daughter" theory?
yes I do. It kinda implied, and the old teasers kinda lead to that as well.
"The force runs in my family. My father had it. My sister has it. Now you have it."
Sounds like Luke talking to rey to me, even though it didn't happen in vii, but is probably dialogue for viii.
I loved kylo ren as well.
I agree with what you said.
Walked out before it ended
Was a little too Disney-y and not sensical
Who walks out of a movie?
Anyway, what I like about Kylo is that we're seeing the development of a villain rather than a villain who's already a stone-cold badass. Abrams said that this trilogy will be as much about Kylo's development as it is about Rey's and Finn's.
Kylo Ren is really off-putting. He's an anime-esque villain, incapable of controlling his emotions, unintimidating and has none of the mystique that surrounded Vader also him pulling off his mask multiple times during the film is absolutely weak sauce. If the filmmakers wanted that to be a dramatic affect, it should have ONLY been used when Han confronted him and tried to bring him back.
Finn was irrelevant, but I'll admit King is a good lead character and hopefully she gets more screen time as such with Old Luke.
Quote from: antmaster5000 on December 25, 2015, 08:58:59 AM
Walked out before it ended
Was a little too Disney-y and not sensical
I knew you had bad taste but damn.
Too Disney? what in the actual fuck?
also that last lightsaber fight was pretty fucking cool
my only gripe with Finn was his "I can't kill anyone wah wah wah" then halfway through the movie he slays Stormtroopers like it's nothing
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on December 25, 2015, 02:13:30 PM
also that last lightsaber fight was pretty fucking cool
my only gripe with Finn was his "I can't kill anyone wah wah wah" then halfway through the movie he slays Stormtroopers like it's nothing
'I'm a brainwashed child soldier but the first time I see nameless Stormtrooper get shot I completely forget everything and become "good"'
Very solid movie. Very entertaining. Well acted. I guess all of my gripes would arise from what I felt to be a lack of originality...
The plot with the starkiller base is a complete rehash
The homages to the original trilogy were fine I guess but a few felt too forced (lol force)
They did not add much of anything musically to the franchise which made me sad. Even Episode I if nothing else gave us the amazing Duel of the Fates. The music for the most part stuck to the older movies' themes.
And I suppose my final complaint is that I would agree with David that Kylo Ren seems like a bit of a bitch. I mean I'm sure we'll get a better backstory in the next movies but for now he just seems like an angsty teen that wants to reject anything his parents/uncle show him. He's not as bad as Hayden Christianson thank god but still... I wish I knew why he'd go so far as to kill Han other than IM EVIL NOW DAD WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT ME GOSH
But like I said, really enjoyed the movie... great actors, sets, action, mostly good writing, and some decent humor
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Quote from: antmaster5000 on December 25, 2015, 08:58:59 AM
Walked out before it ended
Was a little too Disney-y and not sensical
I knew you had bad taste but damn.
Too Disney? what in the actual fuck?
Are you kidding me? So much of the dialogue was cheesy as fuck and really took away from the immersion. Also the character archetypes were straight out of the Disney movies. Especially Finn (which is the disneyiest name) and his mannerisms.
Like when they bring up the death planet hologram or whatever, they decide what to do within 2 minutes based on pure speculation. That's not how large scale operations work. And then Finn is like oh yeah I didn't know what I was doing and han solo is like oh Finn how could you. Yeah no big deal right its not like he just fucked the plan to save the whole galaxy but I guess it doesn't matter because you can tell that the characters already know that things are going to work out because they show no actual saddneas about the impending noom
Idk. Maybe I just dont have the attachment to starwars that most people have, because a lot of these gripea might just be gripes about stawars itself and not the particular movie.
And really DP insulting my taste? Just because I don't like every high budget movie and videogame that is pumped out by mainstream media doesn't mean that I have bad taste. Just means that I'm not a fucking sheep like you who decides to like something just because it's the popular opinion
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on December 25, 2015, 11:56:01 AM
Who walks out of a movie?
Anyway, what I like about Kylo is that we're seeing the development of a villain rather than a villain who's already a stone-cold badass. Abrams said that this trilogy will be as much about Kylo's development as it is about Rey's and Finn's.
To be fair, I've only walked out of a few movies and I think it might have to do with my attention span. I was also trying to catch the skytrain home since it stops running at midnight and the movie wasn't over by 1145 (if you think the US has a lot of previews go to Thailand) but if anything I felt a sense of relief which gives me no regrets
also to be fair, a lot of the dialogue in a new hope is cheesy as fuck lol. it has its memorable lines though, more so than the force awakens. this movie was definitely "weak" compared to the original trilogy in terms of writing quality, setpieces, and of course originality. oh, also the score. no new great theme. even the prequel films each have their own original piece that is pretty memorable.
and yeah strongbad i do feel that some of the things you're complaining about are all over the star wars saga, not really just this film
it's been a little while now since i saw this new movie, and more and more i am finding little things to complain about, but i still maintain that it was a great damn movie, and i was overjoyed to finally have another entry in the saga that's actually worth a damn
imo the only two scores that stand out in The Force Awakens are "Rey's Theme" and "Jedi Steps and Finale"
but still a weak soundtrack overall. Rey's theme even feels more Harry Potter-y than Star Wars
Ur taste is so bad dp
My biggest fear is that the sequel will fail to establish anything meaningful in Star Lores thus causing the third instalment to romp in nostalgia laden bullshit like The Force Sleeps.
Quote from: antmaster5000 on December 28, 2015, 12:22:49 PM
Ur taste is so bad dp
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Ayyyy broski!!!
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It's funny because you aren't trying to be ironic ;)
i liked it. you can nitpick it to death if you want but i think it did everything a star wars movie is intended to. family conflicts, check. pew pews, check. cool grafix, check. lightsaber battles that arent awkard and pointless, mostly check. cool tunes (fuck you u're wrong and didnt actually listen if u think otherwise), check. left enough questions to make me wanna see the next one asap, check.
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
OR
we aren't a fan of synchronizing our nostalgia w/ boomers with faux-millennial mannerisms. This is simplly a mind control movie to have everyone thinking about the same P R O D U C T. it's to sell toys, and video games. Not a fan of an 2 hour advertisement sry. fuck u corps and fuck star wars.
Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
i liked it. you can nitpick it to death if you want but i think it did everything a star wars movie is intended to. family conflicts, check. pew pews, check. cool grafix, check. lightsaber battles that arent awkard and pointless, mostly check. cool tunes (fuck you u're wrong and didnt actually listen if u think otherwise), check. left enough questions to make me wanna see the next one asap, check.
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
None of the tunes were as memorable as others in the series, sorry. Couldn't hum a single one if you offered me everything and I saw it twice
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Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
i liked it. you can nitpick it to death if you want but i think it did everything a star wars movie is intended to. family conflicts, check. pew pews, check. cool grafix, check. lightsaber battles that arent awkard and pointless, mostly check. cool tunes (fuck you u're wrong and didnt actually listen if u think otherwise), check. left enough questions to make me wanna see the next one asap, check.
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
None of the tunes were as memorable as others in the series, sorry. Couldn't hum a single one if you offered me everything and I saw it twice
you're telling me the first time you saw any of the movies, you could hum the music right away?
Quote from: Loto on December 29, 2015, 02:42:38 PM
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Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
i liked it. you can nitpick it to death if you want but i think it did everything a star wars movie is intended to. family conflicts, check. pew pews, check. cool grafix, check. lightsaber battles that arent awkard and pointless, mostly check. cool tunes (fuck you u're wrong and didnt actually listen if u think otherwise), check. left enough questions to make me wanna see the next one asap, check.
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
None of the tunes were as memorable as others in the series, sorry. Couldn't hum a single one if you offered me everything and I saw it twice
you're telling me the first time you saw any of the movies, you could hum the music right away?
Yes.
There are very few movies with music that sticks in your mind and ingrains itself. It doesn't mean they're bad just because they're not memorable.
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Quote from: Loto on December 29, 2015, 02:42:38 PM
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Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
i liked it. you can nitpick it to death if you want but i think it did everything a star wars movie is intended to. family conflicts, check. pew pews, check. cool grafix, check. lightsaber battles that arent awkard and pointless, mostly check. cool tunes (fuck you u're wrong and didnt actually listen if u think otherwise), check. left enough questions to make me wanna see the next one asap, check.
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
None of the tunes were as memorable as others in the series, sorry. Couldn't hum a single one if you offered me everything and I saw it twice
you're telling me the first time you saw any of the movies, you could hum the music right away?
Yes.
ok then
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Quote from: Loto on December 29, 2015, 02:42:38 PM
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Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
i liked it. you can nitpick it to death if you want but i think it did everything a star wars movie is intended to. family conflicts, check. pew pews, check. cool grafix, check. lightsaber battles that arent awkard and pointless, mostly check. cool tunes (fuck you u're wrong and didnt actually listen if u think otherwise), check. left enough questions to make me wanna see the next one asap, check.
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
None of the tunes were as memorable as others in the series, sorry. Couldn't hum a single one if you offered me everything and I saw it twice
you're telling me the first time you saw any of the movies, you could hum the music right away?
Yes.
ok then
I mean does not memorable mean capable of being remembered
I dunno
Quote from: hamfusk on December 29, 2015, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
OR
we aren't a fan of synchronizing our nostalgia w/ boomers with faux-millennial mannerisms. This is simplly a mind control movie to have everyone thinking about the same P R O D U C T. it's to sell toys, and video games. Not a fan of an 2 hour advertisement sry. fuck u corps and fuck star wars.
exhibit A everyone
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Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
i liked it. you can nitpick it to death if you want but i think it did everything a star wars movie is intended to. family conflicts, check. pew pews, check. cool grafix, check. lightsaber battles that arent awkard and pointless, mostly check. cool tunes (fuck you u're wrong and didnt actually listen if u think otherwise), check. left enough questions to make me wanna see the next one asap, check.
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
None of the tunes were as memorable as others in the series, sorry. Couldn't hum a single one if you offered me everything and I saw it twice
you're telling me the first time you saw any of the movies, you could hum the music right away?
Yes.
There are very few movies with music that sticks in your mind and ingrains itself. It doesn't mean they're bad just because they're not memorable.
and you're full of shit lmao
>Not humming the Imperial March while smashing some Pussy
goowan
c mongler confirmed sheeple
Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: hamfusk on December 29, 2015, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
OR
we aren't a fan of synchronizing our nostalgia w/ boomers with faux-millennial mannerisms. This is simplly a mind control movie to have everyone thinking about the same P R O D U C T. it's to sell toys, and video games. Not a fan of an 2 hour advertisement sry. fuck u corps and fuck star wars.
exhibit A everyone
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Quote from: C.Mongler on December 29, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
i liked it. you can nitpick it to death if you want but i think it did everything a star wars movie is intended to. family conflicts, check. pew pews, check. cool grafix, check. lightsaber battles that arent awkard and pointless, mostly check. cool tunes (fuck you u're wrong and didnt actually listen if u think otherwise), check. left enough questions to make me wanna see the next one asap, check.
like it's not going to change cinema forever, no shit. it's a children's movie that was intended to draw in younger fans who haven't experienced true star wars fanaticism before and to give a light handjob to the adults who brought them to see it reliving their youth. if you thought it sucked you probably just have a stick in your ass and are just old and miserable.
None of the tunes were as memorable as others in the series, sorry. Couldn't hum a single one if you offered me everything and I saw it twice
you're telling me the first time you saw any of the movies, you could hum the music right away?
Yes.
There are very few movies with music that sticks in your mind and ingrains itself. It doesn't mean they're bad just because they're not memorable.
and you're full of shit lmao
Why does everything have to be amazing or shit
Can't it just be like... okay?
Not when it comes to star wars... duh.
Quote from: Loto on December 29, 2015, 10:34:27 PM
Not when it comes to star wars... duh.
no this is the problem with all form of opinions today on all subject matters
imho all opinions are correct imo!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on December 30, 2015, 03:49:51 AM
imho all opinions are correct imo!!!!!!!!
imtho this opinion is saturated with massive amounts of sarcasm and is driving my justice senses bonkers
Quote from: hamfusk on December 29, 2015, 04:48:00 PM
c mongler confirmed sheeple
i mean sure i guess but you're a fucking dumbass if you weren't aware star wars was an obvious ploy to sell toys from the get go lol this isn't anything new or thought provoking
i liked it 5thgrade;
I agree with your opinions are often polarizing
But I think one gains a certain level of pretentiousness the more they are into something which makes just one unfavorable thing make a huge difference
wat lol
I enjoyed it. giggle;
I enjoyed Kylo Ren. Seeing him as vulnerable and developing villain was neat and not what I was expecting... But I agree with David in that he shouldn't have taken off his helmet until his encounter with Han Solo.
Also, you all are a bunch of bitches. And the only correct opinion in this thread is the one FACT about CORpoRATIONS and PRODUCTS.
amen. peace
oh yeah jerk me harder baby mmm
teedo was the best character
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i enjoyed it
thought the girl was a bit of a "mary sue" compared to Luke's original development
too many fan service easter eggs i agree (but who's gonna complain really)
didn't know it was a JJ ABRAMS Film until the credits, logical
favorite part was the final scene where they walk up to the cloaked jedi
and they're like, 'Luke?'
and he turns around and goes NO BUT MEESA KNOW WHERE TO FIND HIM!!!
ahahahahahaha
Quote from: infinite luxury on January 02, 2016, 10:35:03 AM
i enjoyed it
thought the girl was a bit of a "mary sue" compared to Luke's original development
too many fan service easter eggs i agree (but who's gonna complain really)
didn't know it was a JJ ABRAMS Film until the credits, logical
favorite part was the final scene where they walk up to the cloaked jedi
and they're like, 'Luke?'
and he turns around and goes NO BUT MEESA KNOW WHERE TO FIND HIM!!!
ahahahahahaha
Yeah I would have been p pissed if Jarjar wasnt in this film.
uh luke is also a mary sue if we're going to use that argument lmao
Quote from: C.Mongler on January 03, 2016, 05:52:59 AM
uh luke is also a mary sue if we're going to use that argument lmao
srsly
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Quote from: C.Mongler on January 03, 2016, 05:52:59 AM
uh luke is also a mary sue if we're going to use that argument lmao
srsly
im more getting at the that fact that 'mary sue' is a fucking retarded nonsensical trope to begin with so yes explain to me how luke is any different
Quote from: C.Mongler on January 03, 2016, 09:33:14 AM
Quote from: Loto on January 03, 2016, 08:13:50 AM
Quote from: C.Mongler on January 03, 2016, 05:52:59 AM
uh luke is also a mary sue if we're going to use that argument lmao
srsly
im more getting at the that fact that 'mary sue' is a fucking retarded nonsensical trope to begin with so yes explain to me how luke is any different
agreed
"mary sue" is only nonsensical in that it's kinda devolved from its original meaning and now people just apply it to any young character who saves the day with unrealistic latent ability beyond the adults around them. it's lost its other original criteria: self-insert and/or wish fulfillment on the part of the author/director/screenwriter
regardless, i feel like it's not very applicable to star wars in general, because star wars has always been about young people with powers. but if we're gonna talk about tiers of mary sue-ness, anakin in phantom menace is of course the worst, as he destroys the blockade thingy out of sheer dumb luck and holy shit this whole movie is stupid so i'm not gonna get into it. but then luke is actually the second worst in a new hope, destroying the death star with only an inkling of what the force even is.
rey is nowhere near as bad as these. she actually slowly realizes her powers through the film, and still only manages to clumsily get by with them. it is a bit odd that she manages to overpower someone who's had legit jedi training, but i guess for all we know, ben was never that talented to begin with, or something else idk. still, she doesn't save the day at all, she just fights the dude while a normal resistance pilot saves the day in the background by destroying star killer base. it's quite different from luke's scenario. and more "realistic."
i wouldn't call her a mary sue at all, especially not compared to luke
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on January 03, 2016, 11:09:58 AM
"mary sue" is only nonsensical in that it's kinda devolved from its original meaning and now people just apply it to any young character who saves the day with unrealistic latent ability beyond the adults around them. it's lost its other original criteria: self-insert and/or wish fulfillment on the part of the author/director/screenwriter
regardless, i feel like it's not very applicable to star wars in general, because star wars has always been about young people with powers. but if we're gonna talk about tiers of mary sue-ness, anakin in phantom menace is of course the worst, as he destroys the blockade thingy out of sheer dumb luck and holy shit this whole movie is stupid so i'm not gonna get into it. but then luke is actually the second worst in a new hope, destroying the death star with only an inkling of what the force even is.
rey is nowhere near as bad as these. she actually slowly realizes her powers through the film, and still only manages to clumsily get by with them. it is a bit odd that she manages to overpower someone who's had legit jedi training, but i guess for all we know, ben was never that talented to begin with, or something else idk. still, she doesn't save the day at all, she just fights the dude while a normal resistance pilot saves the day in the background by destroying star killer base. it's quite different from luke's scenario. and more "realistic."
i wouldn't call her a mary sue at all, especially not compared to luke
true
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on January 03, 2016, 11:09:58 AM
"mary sue" is only nonsensical in that it's kinda devolved from its original meaning and now people just apply it to any young character who saves the day with unrealistic latent ability beyond the adults around them. it's lost its other original criteria: self-insert and/or wish fulfillment on the part of the author/director/screenwriter
regardless, i feel like it's not very applicable to star wars in general, because star wars has always been about young people with powers. but if we're gonna talk about tiers of mary sue-ness, anakin in phantom menace is of course the worst, as he destroys the blockade thingy out of sheer dumb luck and holy shit this whole movie is stupid so i'm not gonna get into it. but then luke is actually the second worst in a new hope, destroying the death star with only an inkling of what the force even is.
rey is nowhere near as bad as these. she actually slowly realizes her powers through the film, and still only manages to clumsily get by with them. it is a bit odd that she manages to overpower someone who's had legit jedi training, but i guess for all we know, ben was never that talented to begin with, or something else idk. still, she doesn't save the day at all, she just fights the dude while a normal resistance pilot saves the day in the background by destroying star killer base. it's quite different from luke's scenario. and more "realistic."
i wouldn't call her a mary sue at all, especially not compared to luke
my man happydood;
I've heard some people complain that rey was too perfect in that she knew things right away about Hans ship, and some other part on Starkiller. To me, it makes sense from when we are introduced to her, she's scavenging parts to sell, so it would make sense that she know SOMETHING about them.
The fact that it's played off as, "oh what's this? Oh that's the right thing" didn't bother me at all. To me, it was just an inherent knowledge or something like that.
Quote from: Loto on January 03, 2016, 01:54:05 PM
I've heard some people complain that rey was too perfect in that she knew things right away about Hans ship, and some other part on Starkiller. To me, it makes sense from when we are introduced to her, she's scavenging parts to sell, so it would make sense that she know SOMETHING about them.
The fact that it's played off as, "oh what's this? Oh that's the right thing" didn't bother me at all. To me, it was just an inherent knowledge or something like that.
knowing parts and knowing how to fly ships are two very different things
Quote from: David on January 03, 2016, 02:07:44 PM
Quote from: Loto on January 03, 2016, 01:54:05 PM
I've heard some people complain that rey was too perfect in that she knew things right away about Hans ship, and some other part on Starkiller. To me, it makes sense from when we are introduced to her, she's scavenging parts to sell, so it would make sense that she know SOMETHING about them.
The fact that it's played off as, "oh what's this? Oh that's the right thing" didn't bother me at all. To me, it was just an inherent knowledge or something like that.
knowing parts and knowing how to fly ships are two very different things
that too though.
When did Luke learn how to pilot an X-Wing? Unless there's a piece of dialogue I missed in A New Hope
awwwwwwwwww shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Quote from: Loto on January 03, 2016, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: David on January 03, 2016, 02:07:44 PM
Quote from: Loto on January 03, 2016, 01:54:05 PM
I've heard some people complain that rey was too perfect in that she knew things right away about Hans ship, and some other part on Starkiller. To me, it makes sense from when we are introduced to her, she's scavenging parts to sell, so it would make sense that she know SOMETHING about them.
The fact that it's played off as, "oh what's this? Oh that's the right thing" didn't bother me at all. To me, it was just an inherent knowledge or something like that.
knowing parts and knowing how to fly ships are two very different things
that too though.
When did Luke learn how to pilot an X-Wing? Unless there's a piece of dialogue I missed in A New Hope
He mentions a couple times in A New Hope that he pilots a T-16 Skyhopper for fun on Tatooine, particularly through the narrow and twisty Beggar's Canyon (in reference to the trench run) and that he "bulls-eyes womprats" with said ship (in reference to the size of the exhaust port they have to shoot proton torpedoes into)
He also mentions at one point that he's "not such a bad pilot himself." He's also got Force intuition, and of course, his father was mentioned to be an excellent pilot.
Granted, none of that is specific to piloting an X-Wing in particular, but if we're to assume it's not that different than piloting his usual Skyhopper, then there you go
Well... rey pilots that weird machine on jakku when scavenging.
Who's to say she didn't pilots other vehicles as well, just speculating
Quote from: Loto on January 03, 2016, 06:26:34 PM
Well... rey pilots that weird machine on jakku when scavenging.
Who's to say she didn't pilots other vehicles as well, just speculating
But you also have to acknowledge that piloting an X-Wing is much different as it's a basically their equivalent of a fighter jet where as the MF is akin to a fucking garbage barge on the Hudson
Honestly the thing I bought the least was her getting the stormtrooper to leave and drop his weapon.
I mean at least when she realized Kylo Ren's own fears she was imitating his own methods. But how could she possibly know how to manipulate the weak minded without some sort of training or example. I mean maybe she hears about it in the stories of the jedi sure, but that doesn't explain its execution. Same with force pulling the lightsaber but at least that seems more intuitive that controlling someone else's brain
hocuspocus;
Quote from: YPR Classic on January 04, 2016, 01:36:58 AM
Honestly the thing I bought the least was her getting the stormtrooper to leave and drop his weapon.
I mean at least when she realized Kylo Ren's own fears she was imitating his own methods. But how could she possibly know how to manipulate the weak minded without some sort of training or example. I mean maybe she hears about it in the stories of the jedi sure, but that doesn't explain its execution. Same with force pulling the lightsaber but at least that seems more intuitive that controlling someone else's brain
i totes agree but i think ill try to reason with the movie anyway
jedi tales of their amazing feats and the power of the force have spread across the galaxy at this point. rey, whom just moments earlier had a mental fencing match with Kylo Ren and somehow wasn't instantly quashed by his awesome force power, begins to realize there's something weird going on. it is at this point that THE FORCE AWAKENS within rey, so she decides to focus and try using a 'jedi mind trick' that some fat slug thing on jakku told her a story about when she was a wee lass. and to her amazement for some fuckin reason it works.
but yeah that part was silly but i kind of suspend all disbelief when i walk into these things so fuck it
EDIT did some googlin and according to the [glow=red,2,300]
CANON[/glow] novelization apparently when rylo ken tried to break into her mind it broke some mental barrier that unlocked her force powers or some bullshit i dunno lmao
that canon reasoning is really dumb, i'd prefer to just imagine that rey has heard of jedi mind tricks before and manages to do it through intuition, with a little help from kylo having given her a taste of how the force works
Just saw it
Not enough R2D2
Quote from: Sir Popsicle the Sesquipedalian on January 09, 2016, 07:54:21 PM
Just saw it
Not enough R2D2
bb-8 is so much more adorable and I'm glad r2 dies in episode VIII
R2D2 is the real hero of the series and everyone would be dead several times over if not for him and I'll thank you to shut your goddamn mouth in the future
Oh hey yeah I saw this release day in IMAX, visuals and audios were AMAZING
Quote from: YPR Classic on January 04, 2016, 01:36:58 AM
Honestly the thing I bought the least was her getting the stormtrooper to leave and drop his weapon.
I mean at least when she realized Kylo Ren's own fears she was imitating his own methods. But how could she possibly know how to manipulate the weak minded without some sort of training or example. I mean maybe she hears about it in the stories of the jedi sure, but that doesn't explain its execution. Same with force pulling the lightsaber but at least that seems more intuitive that controlling someone else's brain
seriously this was my main gripe with the movie
also the fact that the new order isn't explained at all and the rebellion is just as lowly as always despite winning everything and "restoring peace" in VI
R2 just "waking up" out of nowhere at the most convenient time and solving their big problem was a bit silly too
Still, the battles were great, and I absolutely loved the scene with Finn and Poe escaping. Kylo Ren is a great villain imo
but yeah 6/7 great movie, definitely too rehash-y but it was really well-executed and aside from the Death Star 3 I didn't mind the retread stuff. Great characters, good music
that last scene was fantastic too
really fucking excited to see what Rian Johnson does with VIII
Quote from: ʜɨɍɵ҈҈ on February 11, 2016, 12:11:36 AM
Oh hey yeah I saw this release day in IMAX, visuals and audios were AMAZING
Quote from: YPR Classic on January 04, 2016, 01:36:58 AM
Honestly the thing I bought the least was her getting the stormtrooper to leave and drop his weapon.
I mean at least when she realized Kylo Ren's own fears she was imitating his own methods. But how could she possibly know how to manipulate the weak minded without some sort of training or example. I mean maybe she hears about it in the stories of the jedi sure, but that doesn't explain its execution. Same with force pulling the lightsaber but at least that seems more intuitive that controlling someone else's brain
seriously this was my main gripe with the movie
also the fact that the new order isn't explained at all and the rebellion is just as lowly as always despite winning everything and "restoring peace" in VI
R2 just "waking up" out of nowhere at the most convenient time and solving their big problem was a bit silly too
Still, the battles were great, and I absolutely loved the scene with Finn and Poe escaping. Kylo Ren is a great villain imo
but yeah 6/7 great movie, definitely too rehash-y but it was really well-executed and aside from the Death Star 3 I didn't mind the retread stuff. Great characters, good music
that last scene was fantastic too
really fucking excited to see what Rian Johnson does with VIII
i wasn't sure what he'd done so i looked it up
both the best-rated and worst-rated episodes of breaking bad
and looper which i thought was really dumb
so idk
I fucking loved those episodes of breaking bad, as well as Looper
it's Colin Trevorrow I'm worried about
if trevorrow can work in chris pratt and he older kid from jurassic world with his gratuitous crotch shots, i'm okay
geyes i didn't see it! i'm a big starwars fan. so i'm kind of ashamed to admit it, so tell, is it really all that great. because for example phantom menace and some of that clone wars jawn i can do without.
Quote from: Socks on February 19, 2016, 07:38:25 PM
geyes i didn't see it! i'm a big starwars fan. so i'm kind of ashamed to admit it, so tell, is it really all that great. because for example phantom menace and some of that clone wars jawn i can do without.
Definitely better than all the prequels. Probably about on par with Return of the Jedi. Maybe a bit less
It would be ranked better than RotJ if not for the retread stuff, but yeah you're about right
woah that's setting the bar pretty high guys.
uh return of the jedi really wasn't that good guys lol
Quote from: C.Mongler on February 23, 2016, 12:39:50 PM
uh return of the jedi really wasn't that good guys lol
seriously
i like jedi well enough. my only real gripe with it is how silly the ewoks are, and by extension how silly that entire battle on endor's moon's surface is
i do definitely agree with anyone saying that a new hope and empire are considerably better tho, especially empire since empire is fucking fantastic
Quote from: C.Mongler on February 23, 2016, 12:39:50 PM
uh return of the jedi really wasn't that good guys lol
Didn't say it was. It's still the third best film in the series though
Quote from: YPR Classic on February 23, 2016, 10:42:26 PM
Quote from: C.Mongler on February 23, 2016, 12:39:50 PM
uh return of the jedi really wasn't that good guys lol
Didn't say it was. It's still the third best film in the series though
yeah this basically
i'd probably tie it with TFA actually, since it's really a better-made movie, but RotJ contributed a good deal to the classic Star Wars storyline and is still a solid watch
[spoiler]TFA is a better movie lol[/spoiler]
Quote from: C.Mongler on February 24, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
[spoiler]TFA is a better movie lol[/spoiler]
as a stand-alone movie it's much better yes, just in terms of the plot in the star wars universe eh
Quote from: C.Mongler on February 24, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
[spoiler]TFA is a better movie lol[/spoiler]
Eh it's a toss up to me
At least RotJ was original though.
IV and V top tier
VI and VII good tier
I II and III may as well not exist. I still say I was the best of these if only because it didn't have Anakin Padme love drama shit
V
IV
VII
VI
III
I
II
fite me
[spoiler]just kidding i'm pretty sure mostly everyone agrees with that[/spoiler]
Quote from: ʜɨɍɵ҈҈ on February 24, 2016, 03:29:34 PM
Quote from: C.Mongler on February 24, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
[spoiler]TFA is a better movie lol[/spoiler]
as a stand-alone movie it's much better yes, just in terms of the plot in the star wars universe eh
that literally can't be judged yet for TFA baddood;
Quote from: Sir Popsicle the Sesquipedalian on February 24, 2016, 11:07:55 PM
V
IV
VII
VI
III
I
II
fite me
[spoiler]just kidding i'm pretty sure mostly everyone agrees with that[/spoiler]
this is objectively correct
Quote from: C.Mongler on February 24, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
[spoiler]TFA is a better movie lol[/spoiler]
agreed.
Quote from: C.Mongler on February 25, 2016, 07:15:46 AM
Quote from: ʜɨɍɵ҈҈ on February 24, 2016, 03:29:34 PM
Quote from: C.Mongler on February 24, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
[spoiler]TFA is a better movie lol[/spoiler]
as a stand-alone movie it's much better yes, just in terms of the plot in the star wars universe eh
that literally can't be judged yet for TFA baddood;
Quote from: Sir Popsicle the Sesquipedalian on February 24, 2016, 11:07:55 PM
V
IV
VII
VI
III
I
II
fite me
[spoiler]just kidding i'm pretty sure mostly everyone agrees with that[/spoiler]
this is objectively correct
also all agreed
yeah that seems about right
I'm fine with any list with II at the bottom what garbage
Yeah... two is LITERALLY the most pointless movie in the series. It brings absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Loto on February 25, 2016, 01:00:07 PM
Yeah... two is LITERALLY the most pointless movie in the series. It brings absolutely nothing.
It establishes the relationship between Anakin and Padme, and it also introduces the clone army, both of which are pretty major I'd say.
Doesn't make the movie suck any less tho
the clone wars are also the only prequel event actually mentioned in the original films
there are actually some parts of phantom menace i hate even more than clone wars, but overall i do think ii is indeed the weakest
yeah, but did we need an entire 2+ hour movie to establish the clone wars? to see it?
or anakin and padme, which to me, that relationship was pretty much established in 1
also we didnt really need to know about Boba Fett did we
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on February 26, 2016, 05:38:38 AM
also we didnt really need to know about Boba Fett did we
no not really
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on February 26, 2016, 05:38:38 AM
also we didnt really need to know about Boba Fett did we
especially not as a kid
He saw his clone daddy's head get sliced off that's all we need to know
Quote from: Loto on February 25, 2016, 11:09:34 PM
yeah, but did we need an entire 2+ hour movie to establish the clone wars? to see it?
or anakin and padme, which to me, that relationship was pretty much established in 1
anakin was a child the entirety of 1, there was no "relationship" established unless we're going to say that padme is a pedophile (maybe she is)
the reality of the situation is that:
- the phantom menace is a wholly unnecessary film, nothing in it adds anything to the rest of the franchise
- a sparse few elements of clone wars and revenge of the sith add decent backstory, but do it very poorly, meaning these are also wholly unnecessary films but at least some story elements are fine
basically the prequels never needed to exist, but i find phantom menace to be the most unnecessary of all. however, if we're gonna talk about the quality of the films, i will agree that clone wars is the worst
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on February 26, 2016, 05:38:38 AM
also we didnt really need to know about Boba Fett did we
of course not. i'm guessing lucas at some point realized that there are a lot of rabid boba fett fans out there and decided to try to capitalize on that by making the fett "family" important to the franchise
only he did this in a completely ludicrous and roundabout way
i never understood boba fett fans anyway though. he's fine as a minor character, but that's all he was and all he should be: a minor character. he's not particularly cool or anything, if anything he's pretty silly.
also the expanded universe at one point made it canon that boba got spat back out by the sarlacc and that's fucking dumb so i'm glad the expanded universe was obliterated
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on February 26, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: Loto on February 25, 2016, 11:09:34 PM
yeah, but did we need an entire 2+ hour movie to establish the clone wars? to see it?
or anakin and padme, which to me, that relationship was pretty much established in 1
anakin was a child the entirety of 1, there was no "relationship" established unless we're going to say that padme is a pedophile (maybe she is)
the reality of the situation is that:
- the phantom menace is a wholly unnecessary film, nothing in it adds anything to the rest of the franchise
- a sparse few elements of clone wars and revenge of the sith add decent backstory, but do it very poorly, meaning these are also wholly unnecessary films but at least some story elements are fine
basically the prequels never needed to exist, but i find phantom menace to be the most unnecessary of all. however, if we're gonna talk about the quality of the films, i will agree that clone wars is the worst
oh shit, you know what? I meant that 1 is literally the pointless.
2 is MOSTLY unnecessary.
They're both so forgettable, I confused which one sucked more
Quote from: Sakura Kinomoto on February 26, 2016, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: Commander Fuckass on February 26, 2016, 05:38:38 AM
also we didnt really need to know about Boba Fett did we
of course not. i'm guessing lucas at some point realized that there are a lot of rabid boba fett fans out there and decided to try to capitalize on that by making the fett "family" important to the franchise
only he did this in a completely ludicrous and roundabout way
i never understood boba fett fans anyway though. he's fine as a minor character, but that's all he was and all he should be: a minor character. he's not particularly cool or anything, if anything he's pretty silly.
also the expanded universe at one point made it canon that boba got spat back out by the sarlacc and that's fucking dumb so i'm glad the expanded universe was obliterated
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH I LUFF HIM AND THE SARLAAC CANT DIGEST HIS ARMOR IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE Q('_' Q) Q('_' Q) Q('_' Q) Q('_' Q)
YPR give be three good reasons to like Boba Fett. You can't use his implied history with Vader, either.
Go.
Quote from: Sir Popsicle the Sesquipedalian on February 29, 2016, 10:45:48 PM
YPR give be three good reasons to like Boba Fett. You can't use his implied history with Vader, either.
Go.
Idk all the reasons would be lame lol
He's Han's rival, he has sweet armor, and his gadgets were cool and semi-unique at the time.
Idc I loved him from the moment I saw him and I will cling to my blind fandom.
I feel he is very similar to my fandom of Gambit in that regard